Pakistan Fans, Honest Question: How would you feel if Babar Azam & Mohammad Rizwan were to make their return to the Pakistani side?

[mominsaigol]

After the conclusion of the Bangladesh series I was convinced that the Ba/Riz chapter was officially closed and that this would the last time I would mention or talk about them.

But that doesn't seem to be the case. Despite Rizwan being removed from T20 captaincy with rumors circulating that he may he removed from Odi captaincy as well,

Babar and Rizwan have been retained in Category A with Agha being promoted to Category A as well. (It's still a rumor however credible sources have more or less confirmed it, otherwise I'm not one to circulate rumors as I don't believe a word of twitter)

The fact that they've been retained in Category A is very alarming with reports circulating that their training with the team on camp as well as Hesson forwarding the idea of Babar making his all format return. Granted he's hesistant and is observing how the team will perform in the 14 t20's yet to come.

Theirs also the fact that the openers have failed to make a mark. Saim Ayub and Farhan were okay in the series. Their performance while solid is not convincing enough to keep Babar and Rizwan out for good, the same goes for fakhar zaman who was dropped after 1 game.

Muhammad Haris was a revelation at no 3 but its obvious that Ba/Riz are eyeing a return to the opening spot.

Honestly I'm worried as im sick of Pakistan taking 2 steps forward, 3 steps back.

 

[Rana]

For a true Pakistan cricket fan that wants to see the team progress and play cricket properly, there is a lot of trauma involved when it comes to Babar and Rizwan….especially in T20s

The way they have played unchecked for Pakistan since 2019-2024 has left an extremely bad taste in the mouth. They haven’t showed any signs of adapting to the cause of the team and the requirements of the game. Babar has drawn much more criticism due to his bigger stature, and has reluctantly started to play in a position that was always naturally beneficial to him and his team (number 3), whereas Rizwan has stubbornly refused to change and has played primarily as an opener in franchise cricket alongside the national team.


We all know that it has come to the point where you say “enough is enough”, but seeing how the PCB has functioned in the past especially with the Babar backstabbing Shaheen scenario, you can never be sure that the facade is ever over! You can expect anything to happen and come the 2026wc, we are back to a top 3 of Rizwan, Babar and another player.

The best thing to do is not lose your hair on the situation. Always look for the best inevitable outcome. If Babar and Rizwan plan on returning to the side with the impression that “their style of play is the correct way, and it’s the critics who need to understand cricket better”; well then you should know that they will once again let the nation down massively at the big stage. If they continue to rely on PR, media pressure and blackmailing instead of proving that they have addressed their issues, then they will simply be signing their own death warrants in the cricketing world.

For me, the failure of the 2024wc and then the subsequent T20is in Australia, SA and also the PSL is clear evidence of how much harm and damage their style of play causes to their team.

Baqi aap sab siyane ho.

 

[Rana]

All it takes is one little fall out between Hesson and the PCB management, and Hesson stepping down…

Then the PCB signing a guy like Misbah or Hafeez as the head coach, and Waqar Younis somewhere as the selector.

We will be back to square 1. The crap that occurred during 2019-2024 will be back.

If not Babar and Rizwan, you will see crap like Abdullah and Haseebullah, or those types of rubbish T20 players at the forefront.

 

[Bhaijaan]

People have been patient with both Rizwan and Babar for a long time. They were given all the chances to show improvement and a positive change of attitude. If there has been no visible improvement in them then going back to them would be a step backwards and doesn’t serve Pakistani interests. There is an air of freshness with their T20 side now and the same must now happen with the ODI team. A new mindset, fresh faces who don’t carry the same negativity as RizBar do.

I still think in test cricket both should keep playing.

 

[Rana]

People have been patient with both Rizwan and Babar for a long time

They were not patient, they were purposely informing their flaws because of ulterior motives. Babar and Rizwan are the face of the PCB that came into power under Imran Khan. “The vision of Imran Khan cannot be wrong”.

A lot of people who I have terrorised here on this subject are staunch PTI supporters.

 

[Rana]

People have been patient with both Rizwan and Babar for a long time. They were given all the chances to show improvement and a positive change of attitude. If there has been no visible improvement in them then going back to them would be a step backwards and doesn’t serve Pakistani interests. There is an air of freshness with their T20 side now and the same must now happen with the ODI team. A new mindset, fresh faces who don’t carry the same negativity as RizBar do.

I still think in test cricket both should keep playing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930658039322837086

Tanvir Ahmed is saying rubbish like this which looks like Rubbish currently in this day and age…


But this was common $hit that people used to say consistently in 2021-2023. A lot of people here who will try to come across as sensible and intelligent were producing this kind of nonsense commonly to justify Babar and Rizwan. Apparently you couldn’t defeat their approach to the game because the stats suggested they were playing it better than guys like Gayle, Warner, Watson etc.

 

[ElRaja]

both dont deserve to return to the t20i side, but lumping riz with babar is a bit unfair, babar went missing in every important game, riz at least contributed as a keeper and played some good knocks. having said that maybe they are retained in cat A so they keep playing tests, cos they are still easily good enough for the test team, esp riz who imo is one of the best red ball keeper bats imo.

 

[Rana]

both dont deserve to return to the t20i side, but lumping riz with babar is a bit unfair, babar went missing in every important game, riz at least contributed as a keeper and played some good knocks. having said that maybe they are retained in cat A so they keep playing tests, cos they are still easily good enough for the test team, esp riz who imo is one of the best red ball keeper bats imo.

It’s not unfair at all.

They both instinctively work together through PR companies to push their agenda.

Listen to the latest Zalmi podcast of Babar Azam, he was doing a lot of unnecessary PR of Rizwan which was being fed through by the anchor.

Rizwan has latched on to Babar for 90% of his time since 2019…and Babar is now doing the same considering his stocks are seriously down.

I don’t want to hear this “let’s not term them together”.

They are equally responsible for the scam they have put Pakistan cricket through!

 

[mominsaigol]

People have been patient with both Rizwan and Babar for a long time. They were given all the chances to show improvement and a positive change of attitude. If there has been no visible improvement in them then going back to them would be a step backwards and doesn’t serve Pakistani interests. There is an air of freshness with their T20 side now and the same must now happen with the ODI team. A new mindset, fresh faces who don’t carry the same negativity as RizBar do.

I still think in test cricket both should keep playing.

Problem is their not test material either.

Rizwan is lucky in the sense that their isnt any other test keeper besides him and rizzu to his credit is still a better batsmen and wicket keeper then Hasebullah.

Babar on the other hand has many replacements as shown during the England series.

Kamran Ghulam is significantly ahead of Babar in FC cricket. Infact even during babar's prime he was never a good fc player.

His stats pre debut were 41 avg in fc, 55 avg in List A and 35 avg in t20.

Now yes things can change for example Steve smith had horrible stats in fc cricket and made his debut as a bowler but ended up becoming the greatest test batsmen for Australia post WW2 era.

But normally and in 95% of cases a players stats pre debut usually reflect their stats in international or infact most of the times its even worse in international cricket due to the high level of competition and the steep increase in difficulty as you're playing with the best of the best.

 

[Bhaijaan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930658039322837086

Tanvir Ahmed is saying rubbish like this which looks like Rubbish currently in this day and age…


But this was common $hit that people used to say consistently in 2021-2023. A lot of people here who will try to come across as sensible and intelligent were producing this kind of nonsense commonly to justify Babar and Rizwan. Apparently you couldn’t defeat their approach to the game because the stats suggested they were playing it better than guys like Gayle, Warner, Watson etc.

Australians have shown that it’s not the attitude that matters. A lot of their champion cricketers have surprisingly mediocre records but they played with a winning attitude and delivered when it counted. I said it during IPL final, the way Josh Inglis batted, none of our Indian batters played with that same confidence and intent. That right there is the difference between champion nations and the rest.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

On merit and if they play according to modern cricket under the captaincy of someone else then no problem.

But I question their willingness to acknowledge their limitations and adapt.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Problem is their not test material either.

Rizwan is lucky in the sense that their isnt any other test keeper besides him and rizzu to his credit is still a better batsmen and wicket keeper then Hasebullah.

Babar on the other hand has many replacements as shown during the England series.

Kamran Ghulam is significantly ahead of Babar in FC cricket. Infact even during babar's prime he was never a good fc player.

His stats pre debut were 41 avg in fc, 55 avg in List A and 35 avg in t20.

Now yes things can change for example Steve smith had horrible stats in fc cricket and made his debut as a bowler but ended up becoming the greatest test batsmen for Australia post WW2 era.

But normally and in 95% of cases a players stats pre debut usually reflect their stats in international or infact most of the times its even worse in international cricket due to the high level of competition and the steep increase in difficulty as you're playing with the best of the best.

Overall both batters seem to be past their peak. It takes a special character to come out of a phase like this

 

[Hyder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930658039322837086

Tanvir Ahmed is saying rubbish like this which looks like Rubbish currently in this day and age…


But this was common $hit that people used to say consistently in 2021-2023. A lot of people here who will try to come across as sensible and intelligent were producing this kind of nonsense commonly to justify Babar and Rizwan. Apparently you couldn’t defeat their approach to the game because the stats suggested they were playing it better than guys like Gayle, Warner, Watson etc.

Gayle is actually over rated because of his ipl and cpl exploits. Periodt.
Fans are blindsided by a few hits and he didnt do zilch in 2 finals west indies won infact he played one of the worst t20 finals innings in 2012.
But no you guys wont see that. 3 of some 12,13 balls is quite a match losing inning.
Not saying babar rizwan are better or anything but in t20 INTERNATIONALS
Gayle is over rated
And abd is so overrated. I cant even rmr 1 2 good innings from him that mattered.

Dont be biased and see the actual story instead of speculations and intent. See the results and outcome.

 

[Hyder]

Gayle for the way he batted in ipl and cpl and the way we all know him massively underavhieved in t20is and less said about and the better.
There are some players that we think would be humongous in t20s but abd is not in intl. In ipl yes he is.

 

[Rana]

Gayle is actually over rated because of his ipl and cpl exploits. Periodt.
Fans are blindsided by a few hits and he didnt do zilch in 2 finals west indies won infact he played one of the worst t20 finals innings in 2012.
But no you guys wont see that. 3 of some 12,13 balls is quite a match losing inning.
Not saying babar rizwan are better or anything but in t20 INTERNATIONALS
Gayle is over rated
And abd is so overrated. I cant even rmr 1 2 good innings from him that mattered.

Dont be biased and see the actual story instead of speculations and intent. See the results and outcome.

@Bhaijaan

Dekh lo bhai

 

[mominsaigol]

@Bhaijaan

Dekh lo bhai

This guy told me to get a psych evaluation. Another closet Ba/Riz fan. Apparently Don Bradman, Chris Gayle, Ab are overrated but ba/Riz would avg 99 if they played the same opposition (England) over and over again.

What was Rizwan’s test avg in the England series on home soil again? Cause I forgot. Maybe espncricinfo made a mistake and inverted the numbers from 19 to 91

 

[Hyder]

This guy told me to get a psych evaluation. Another closet Ba/Riz fan. Apparently Don Bradman, Chris Gayle, Ab are overrated but ba/Riz would avg 99 if they played the same opposition (England) over and over again.

What was Rizwan’s test avg in the England series on home soil again? Cause I forgot. Maybe espncricinfo made a mistake and inverted the numbers from 19 to 91

If gayles inning of 3 of 16 was played by anyone else you all wouldnt leave him. But the fact remains gayle didnt perform when it mattered apart from 1 inning vs aus. You can say all the flowery words about gayle and his exploits in t20s globally but he wasnt that great but still respectable in intl t20s.

But abd wouldnt even make second atg t20 xi because of his performances.

Abu agaye hain ab look at how u jump and reply to him lol i diagnosed it days before when u cant back anything.

Yes bradman was great but wont compare him with modern players because he played in 2 backyards against same teams so yeah. He was greatest if his time thats it and leave it to that when no one has seen him play and when u say no we are going by numbers and putting him at greatest then surely do that to gayle and abds of this generation too. Stupid mindset of speculations but wont have answers when questioned about it. Was gayle greatest t20 player overall maybe. But only intl he was okay not greatest. Even buttler ll surpass him when he retires.

 

[mominsaigol]

If gayles inning of 3 of 16 was played by anyone else you all wouldnt leave him. But the fact remains gayle didnt perform when it mattered apart from 1 inning vs aus. You can say all the flowery words about gayle and his exploits in t20s globally but he wasnt that great but still respectable in intl t20s.

But abd wouldnt even make second atg t20 xi because of his performances.

Abu agaye hain ab look at how u jump and reply to him lol i diagnosed it days before when u cant back anything.

Yes bradman was great but wont compare him with modern players because he played in 2 backyards against same teams so yeah. He was greatest if his time thats it and leave it to that when no one has seen him play and when u say no we are going by numbers and putting him at greatest then surely do that to gayle and abds of this generation too. Stupid mindset of speculations but wont have answers when questioned about it. Was gayle greatest t20 player overall maybe. But only intl he was okay not greatest. Even buttler ll surpass him when he retires.

Worst post ever. First of all, In Bradman's era the quality of safety equipment and bat quality is rubbish.

If you watch older footage you will see every player swing their bat a million miles and get massive air speed in order to play a cover drive. Hitting a 6 was nigh impossible and extremely difficult to achieve.

All these classy pull shots, or a sachin's classy backfoot shot, or butlers cutesy unorthodox shots were impossible for that era.

Not to mention even without body line, dealing with any delivery that bounces waist high or chest high is impossible, its extremely difficult for any player to pull it for fear of getting injured and hospitalised, unlike today where its not really an issue.

Any player from this era wouldnt even avg 5 in that era as they'd have to relearn the rules of the game and spend years refining their skill under the quality and rules of that era. Their sweep shots or unorthodox strokes wouldnt work for obvious reasons.

However the same can be said for Bradman era players. If they were transported to this time, they'd have to relearn the game as well and adjust to this era. What butlers plays would seem alien to them. They'd probs view the cricket bats like alien technology in the same way they'd view the iPhone as alien technology.

The point isnt era equivalence. The point is that many players in his era avg 40 to 65 round about. And even in that era players had form dips and other drama associated. No one avg even 70.

Bradman in his era is so far I repeat so far > everyone that you need to search for who the no 2 batsmen was in that era. He's the only player in sports history to achieve this feat as since Bradman, no one in cricket is leagues > no 2 best.

Sachin, Steve smith and many others can be considered > but their not so far > that you question who Joe Root even is.

The fact that you're insulting Bradman to this extent proves you have zero understanding.

Now about De villers, I'll keep it short. Read my past posts. I've proclaimed multiple times he wasnt a t20 player lol.

And finally for Gayle. Hes played bad innings, no one disagrees, but to claim hes overrated is hilarious. His 117 of 57 balls against sa in 2007 is >>>>>>>>>>>> Anything babar and rizwan will ever hope or dream to achieve.

Also the fact you're downplaying his IPL feats are hilarious since its not ba/riz score 175 in PSL

 

[mominsaigol]

Australians have shown that it’s not the attitude that matters. A lot of their champion cricketers have surprisingly mediocre records but they played with a winning attitude and delivered when it counted. I said it during IPL final, the way Josh Inglis batted, none of our Indian batters played with that same confidence and intent. That right there is the difference between champion nations and the rest.

India tbf are a champion nation. They won 2 back to back trophies. Only CT is questionable due to the unfair advantage they were given.

But I dont see anything wrong with their USA win.

Their clearly a tournament team. Its just when we compare any team to Aus, we usually refer to peak classic Australia and tbh I dont think any team will ever match them. The bar is way way way too high.

But current Aus is just alright. They lost to England in 2019 semi finals, india and Afghanistan eliminated them in t20 wc.

Australia is more so lucky that New Zealand and Pakistan always find a way to give them free wins which is why they squeeze through 99% of the time

 

[cricketmania22]

For people who have no agenda and chip in the shoulder simply want to see their team progress and beat top teams regularly with or without certain players. Here are the issues in my opinion.

Babar and Rizwan have no place in T20 team right now. Their playing style isn’t suitable for this format. Also the fact they failed to chase a very low total against India in the last T20 World Cup which was right down their alley stamps this conclusion that they are done. Of course if they improve in the future then that’s another story.

Pakistanis have some excited players coming up but however there are still many spots open. Saim hasn’t set the world fire in T20Is. Farhan scored in one of two matches against Bangladesh and that too after so many drop catches. Harris is too leg sided and would struggle badly against good bowers like he did in New Zealand. Agha has improved but he’s no way close to being a gun T20 player. The only player in top 6 who has sealed his place is Hasan Nawaz. When you have so many open slots, it’s impossible to keep keep Babar and Rizwan away from the team. Now selecting them will definitely be a step in opposite direction, so they shouldn’t be selected but Pakistan has to ensure they select those players who can be groomed and a good fit for this format even if they are losing. They should definitely groom Mohammad Naeem. He can help solve our opening position issues.

Also, Pakistan desperately need a good spinner. You can’t win T20s if you don’t have a good spinner in the team. Shadab should be discarded.

 

[sweep_shot]

Gayle is actually over rated because of his ipl and cpl exploits. Periodt.
Fans are blindsided by a few hits and he didnt do zilch in 2 finals west indies won infact he played one of the worst t20 finals innings in 2012.
But no you guys wont see that. 3 of some 12,13 balls is quite a match losing inning.
Not saying babar rizwan are better or anything but in t20 INTERNATIONALS
Gayle is over rated
And abd is so overrated. I cant even rmr 1 2 good innings from him that mattered.

Dont be biased and see the actual story instead of speculations and intent. See the results and outcome.

Agree with this assessment.

Windies won those 2 cups due to Samuels and Brathwaite mainly.

 

[Savak]

Let's be honest. Babar and Rizwan's T20 careers for Pakistan are atleast over. These two failed to impress even in the PSL. This was a much necessary kick up the backside they needed. Javed Afridi is not going to put up with Babar Azam in Zalmi for much long just on the basis of his fandom alone as a franchise needs results as well ultimately to satisfy its sponsors and fanbase. Similarly Rizwan too will not be in favor with Multan Sultans for much longer.

 

[pakistani pride]

I hope they never play for Pak again.
Pathetic individuals with a loser mindset.

 

[Hyder]

Worst post ever. First of all, In Bradman's era the quality of safety equipment and bat quality is rubbish.

If you watch older footage you will see every player swing their bat a million miles and get massive air speed in order to play a cover drive. Hitting a 6 was nigh impossible and extremely difficult to achieve.

All these classy pull shots, or a sachin's classy backfoot shot, or butlers cutesy unorthodox shots were impossible for that era.

Not to mention even without body line, dealing with any delivery that bounces waist high or chest high is impossible, its extremely difficult for any player to pull it for fear of getting injured and hospitalised, unlike today where its not really an issue.

Any player from this era wouldnt even avg 5 in that era as they'd have to relearn the rules of the game and spend years refining their skill under the quality and rules of that era. Their sweep shots or unorthodox strokes wouldnt work for obvious reasons.

However the same can be said for Bradman era players. If they were transported to this time, they'd have to relearn the game as well and adjust to this era. What butlers plays would seem alien to them. They'd probs view the cricket bats like alien technology in the same way they'd view the iPhone as alien technology.

The point isnt era equivalence. The point is that many players in his era avg 40 to 65 round about. And even in that era players had form dips and other drama associated. No one avg even 70.

Bradman in his era is so far I repeat so far > everyone that you need to search for who the no 2 batsmen was in that era. He's the only player in sports history to achieve this feat as since Bradman, no one in cricket is leagues > no 2 best.

Sachin, Steve smith and many others can be considered > but their not so far > that you question who Joe Root even is.

The fact that you're insulting Bradman to this extent proves you have zero understanding.

Now about De villers, I'll keep it short. Read my past posts. I've proclaimed multiple times he wasnt a t20 player lol.

And finally for Gayle. Hes played bad innings, no one disagrees, but to claim hes overrated is hilarious. His 117 of 57 balls against sa in 2007 is >>>>>>>>>>>> Anything babar and rizwan will ever hope or dream to achieve.

Also the fact you're downplaying his IPL feats are hilarious since its not ba/riz score 175 in PSL

Gayle is overrated in intl t20s and if u cant see this then you are just a tamasha league fan boy. Periodt. Samuels has won 2 wc trophies where gayle almost lost them.

As far as bradman is concerned he is greatest of his era and thats it for me. I am not going to hypthesize how he would have fared in post 90s cricket because cricket as a game has evolved very much since that time. Its difficult to compare even 80s crickter with todays how can we compare bradman. He was way above his contemporaries and all that but it doesnt change the fact that he had to bat in 2 countries against same opposition. He had more than 50 percent of his career in his home country against same country. We ve seen so many times in past certain players find it easy against certain oppositions in certain conditions. Prime example are sehwag and younis. In 10 odd test matvhes both avg almost 90 against each others countries. If they played same country their whole career how would their stats pan out?
Not taking anything away from bradman but he cant be a part of modern rankings or discussions. He is the pioneer of greatness and greatest of that era and celebrated enough for that. Cricket has evolved and players have evolved with it too. Its not same. He was brightest student in that class but now the metrics and tests have changed alot.

 

[mominsaigol]

Gayle is overrated in intl t20s and if u cant see this then you are just a tamasha league fan boy. Periodt. Samuels has won 2 wc trophies where gayle almost lost them.

As far as bradman is concerned he is greatest of his era and thats it for me. I am not going to hypthesize how he would have fared in post 90s cricket because cricket as a game has evolved very much since that time. Its difficult to compare even 80s crickter with todays how can we compare bradman. He was way above his contemporaries and all that but it doesnt change the fact that he had to bat in 2 countries against same opposition. He had more than 50 percent of his career in his home country against same country. We ve seen so many times in past certain players find it easy against certain oppositions in certain conditions. Prime example are sehwag and younis. In 10 odd test matvhes both avg almost 90 against each others countries. If they played same country their whole career how would their stats pan out?
Not taking anything away from bradman but he cant be a part of modern rankings or discussions. He is the pioneer of greatness and greatest of that era and celebrated enough for that. Cricket has evolved and players have evolved with it too. Its not same. He was brightest student in that class but now the metrics and tests have changed alot.

What an amazing post . Why stop at overrated

I'm sure you can play an innings like Gayle and Bradman as well. These 2 are lucky that we didn't see you play on the field and over shadow them.

 

[Hyder]

What an amazing post . Why stop at overrated

I'm sure you can play an innings like Gayle and Bradman as well. These 2 are lucky that we didn't see you play on the field and over shadow them.

Whatever helps u sleep at night dear :'

Gayle in intl t20s is overrated. A sub 30 avg player with sub 140 sr.

 

[mominsaigol]

Whatever helps u sleep at night dear :'

Gayle in intl t20s is overrated. A sub 30 avg player with sub 140 sr.

Why would you consider average in t20 .

As for sr, he has one of the highest sr's for that era.

2007-2012 is a different time in t20 cricket, back then 130-140 was considered the golden standard + Gayle has a strike rate of 190+ anytime he actually scored. You're looking at his numbers for when he failed in which case your sr decreases.

Gayle was ahead of his time in t20 cricket. You clearly started watching cricket post covid. Its dead set obvious.

Warner, Gayle, KP and Kohli are the 4 greatest all format players of all time.

 

[Greenstorm]

Babar and Rizwan are useless in T20Is. I hope they are kept away.

Babar is certain in ODIs and I think Hesson can help him to play with intent in 50 over format. Rizwan is Pakistan's best wicket keeper but he has range and intent issues while batting in ODIs. As Harris performs in T20Is, Rizwan will find it harder to retain his place in ODIs under Hesson.

Misbah will prefer Rizwan-Babar in Tests.

 

[Greenstorm]

Whoever is managing Babar and Rizwan's PR hasn't given up. Even today, I saw comments in favour of these two, posted by users who joined platforms (Youtube in one case) two days ago (obvious bots).

In terms of putting in effort to sway public opinion, these two have surpassed bonafide PR legends of past like Shoaib Malik and Amir.

 

[TheSultan]

Both are irrelevant at the mo. These two fraudsters convinced Pakistan that under any conditions against any opposition, our ceiling is “170-180”.

We’ve just destroyed that myth in 3 matches.

They have to do something to be relevant again. Until they do that, there’s no need to mention dropped players.

 

[Mamoon]

Hesson is not a delusional clown like the folks here. He knows that Babar and Rizwan belong in the best Pakistan XI in all formats.

They will both be back and rightly so, and this “new era” and “we are better without them” drama will end soon.

 

[Hyder]

Why would you consider average in t20 .

As for sr, he has one of the highest sr's for that era.

2007-2012 is a different time in t20 cricket, back then 130-140 was considered the golden standard + Gayle has a strike rate of 190+ anytime he actually scored. You're looking at his numbers for when he failed in which case your sr decreases.

Gayle was ahead of his time in t20 cricket. You clearly started watching cricket post covid. Its dead set obvious.

Warner, Gayle, KP and Kohli are the 4 greatest all format players of all time.

Naive of to just call these 4 the greatest lmao. Warner avgs less than 30 in half the countries he played in lol.

Players from past who were beast in odi.and test are also great all format players because at that time only those formats existed. Warner was okayish test bat outside austrailia.

 

[Hyder]

Hesson is not a delusional clown like the folks here. He knows that Babar and Rizwan belong in the best Pakistan XI in all formats.

They will both be back and rightly so, and this “new era” and “we are better without them” drama will end soon.

People have been watching cricket for so long and still fail to acknowledge the fact that babar is the best limited over batsman we have produced in looong times.
Him with shaheen are class above all depite their flaws. Shaheen often goes missing in death and babar has been out of form yet you can see the class they hold.
2019 20 psl showed us this battle ehere babar eas scoring 50s for fun and shaheen was bowling magically. These two players ll be the ones remembered because they are class apart.
For pakistans sake babar needs to get his form back as he is must for 27 wc.

 

[mominsaigol]

Naive of to just call these 4 the greatest lmao. Warner avgs less than 30 in half the countries he played in lol.

Players from past who were beast in odi.and test are also great all format players because at that time only those formats existed. Warner was okayish test bat outside austrailia.

Name a better all format player then these 4. Go on I'll wait.

 

[Rana]

Naive of to just call these 4 the greatest lmao. Warner avgs less than 30 in half the countries he played in lol.

Players from past who were beast in odi.and test are also great all format players because at that time only those formats existed. Warner was okayish test bat outside austrailia.

What’s Naive about it? White ball players are supposed to become liabilities in their team by the age of 30-31 like Babar and Rizwan?

 

[Rana]

Warner is close to 40

Gayle close to 45

AB close to 40

Kohli close to 40

KP close to 45



All are still better all format batters than Babar and Rizwan. That includes T10 too. This is 100% the truth. That’s how rubbish Babar and Rizwan are if you are trying to project them as all format batters with your Imran Khan vision.

 

[Rana]

At no point in their lifetime have Babar and Rizwan been better than KP, Warner, AB, Kohli and Gayle.

No point. There is nothing about their lives, their cricket that has surpassed these 4-5 batters named. Absolutely nothing. Even with strong PR campaigns….they still haven’t been able to surpass those legends who hold a natural worldwide fanbase.

 

[Rana]

People have been watching cricket for so long and still fail to acknowledge the fact that babar is the best limited over batsman we have produced in looong times.

Why do people like you insist on having guys like Babar and Rizwan disrespected, defiled and humiliated by savage, brutal people like me here? Why do you insist on spreading falsehood for me to brutally rip it apart and hurt the sentiments of people who are entitled to like those two to some extent? Why?

 

[Hyder]

Name a better all format player then these 4. Go on I'll wait.

I said players who played only test and odi when t20s didnt exist are also all format players.
And there are many better than these.

Gayle is a good all format player and so is KP and virat is undoubtedly greatest when it comes to three formats. Warner is not. He was just okayish test bat.

 

[Hyder]

Why do people like you insist on having guys like Babar and Rizwan disrespected, defiled and humiliated by savage, brutal people like me here? Why do you insist on spreading falsehood for me to brutally rip it apart and hurt the sentiments of people who are entitled to like those two to some extent? Why?

Name better loi batsman that pakistan produced in last 15 years. Kindly back your claim too
Babar and Fakhar are the only 2 world class batters we produced in last 15 years.

 

[mominsaigol]

I said players who played only test and odi when t20s didnt exist are also all format players.
And there are many better than these.

Gayle is a good all format player and so is KP and virat is undoubtedly greatest when it comes to three formats. Warner is not. He was just okayish test bat.

That's irrelevant. By all format im stating t20, odi and test. Name a better all fornat player then these 4.

T20 has now been around for 18-19 years. This should be a big sample size for you to pick and choose.

 

[mominsaigol]

At no point in their lifetime have Babar and Rizwan been better than KP, Warner, AB, Kohli and Gayle.

No point. There is nothing about their lives, their cricket that has surpassed these 4-5 batters named. Absolutely nothing. Even with strong PR campaigns….they still haven’t been able to surpass those legends who hold a natural worldwide fanbase.

Originally I use to view babar as a discount version of root aka a similar player but obviously inferior in all metrics but its now clear that this sentiment is more of an insult to root then anything else.

Babar is essentially a Labu level batsmen except unlike Labu who has an aussie mentality and will pull a blinder here and their saving his side (wc final + bgt test 4)

Babar has a mental midget personality. Otherwise Babar is a slightly inferior version of Labu(excluding big moments such as BGT, Ashes or World cups), in bi laterals their similar.

Rizwan on the other hand is leagues below even that. I had put rizwan as a bavuma level batsmen however in recent times bavuma has massively upped his test game and somewhat improved his odi game.

Rizzu is a low level Bangladeshi batsmen. The likes of Liton das are > him, but he's basically a shanto.

 

[Hyder]

That's irrelevant. By all format im stating t20, odi and test. Name a better all fornat player then these 4.

T20 has now been around for 18-19 years. This should be a big sample size for you to pick and choose.

Its not irrelevant. When u can say bradman is greatest because thats what he has and he was best at it then also agree the players who played in 2 format days are also to be imcluded here.

Even if u ask for t20is included even then there ll be many players not just these 4. Michael hussy at the top of my head was great. He was always great and has played many impactful innings. Even in t20s he won them the semifinal.

apart from virat none of these players ll make it to all time xi. Maybe gayle can squeeze in if u count all t20s.

Rohit was better odi opener.
Smith outbatted warner when it mattered in odis.
Smith outbatted him in tests.

 

[Hyder]

Originally I use to view babar as a discount version of root aka a similar player but obviously inferior in all metrics but its now clear that this sentiment is more of an insult to root then anything else.

Babar is essentially a Labu level batsmen except unlike Labu who has an aussie mentality and will pull a blinder here and their saving his side (wc final + bgt test 4)

Babar has a mental midget personality. Otherwise Babar is a slightly inferior version of Labu(excluding big moments such as BGT, Ashes or World cups), in bi laterals their similar.

Rizwan on the other hand is leagues below even that. I had put rizwan as a bavuma level batsmen however in recent times bavuma has massively upped his test game and somewhat improved his odi game.

Rizzu is a low level Bangladeshi batsmen. The likes of Liton das are > him, but he's basically a shanto.

Name a better wk Batsman produced by pakistan.

Rizwan is better than dhoni even in tests and t20s.

 

[mominsaigol]

Its not irrelevant. When u can say bradman is greatest because thats what he has and he was best at it then also agree the players who played in 2 format days are also to be imcluded here.

Even if u ask for t20is included even then there ll be many players not just these 4. Michael hussy at the top of my head was great. He was always great and has played many impactful innings. Even in t20s he won them the semifinal.

apart from virat none of these players ll make it to all time xi. Maybe gayle can squeeze in if u count all t20s.

Rohit was better odi opener.
Smith outbatted warner when it mattered in odis.
Smith outbatted him in tests.

Bradman is the greatest as in for his era he was so far > everyone else that the no 2 was irrelevant.

Since then no player in cricket history has achieved that feat. Bradman was so good that the no 2 best batter seemed like a nepali batsmen in comparison.

The game evolved yes, but theirs no reason as to why a player couldn't be leagues and shoulders > others. At one point is seemed like Steve Smith was going to be Bradman 2.0 in tests as during his peak where he was avg 65 overall and consistently getting 70 to 86 year by year avg and top scoring, it seemed like we would have a spiritual successor

However Steve Smith's form dwindled and ge started avg 33 for a while. Eventually he came back in form but hes still hovering at 51-52. Currently smith is realtive to Joe root, but hes no longer the the undisputed goat.

Its why Bobby Fisher in chess is considered a goat. Bobby is today's era would obviously lose to magnus because he doesn't have access to stockfish and observing games on chess engines and memorising patterns however magnus in that era if he was to relearn everything from newspaper articles Bobby Fisher would stomp him considering the fact that Fisher would still be top 2 in this era and would stomp modern era players with only gukesh, Hikaru and a few others giving him a challenge.

Now let me rephrase, players who played all formats since the inception of t20 cricket. Name them that are > those 4.

Is hussey, Rohit and Steve Smith your final answer?

 

[Mamoon]

Rizzu is a low level Bangladeshi batsmen. The likes of Liton das are > him, but he's basically a shanto.

Rizwan averages 40+ in all three formats but he is a “low level Bangladeshi batsman”

This is why no one takes Rizwan and Babar critics seriously. They make some decent points but then they shoot themselves in the foot with such exaggerated nonsense that exposes their agenda.

Shanto with Test, ODI and T20I averages of 29, 34, 23 isn’t worthy of lacing his boots.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan averages 40+ in all three formats but he is a “low level Bangladeshi batsman”

This is why no one takes Rizwan and Babar critics seriously. They make some decent points but then they shoot themselves in the foot with such exaggerated nonsense that exposes their agenda.

Shanto with Test, ODI and T20I averages of 29, 34, 23 isn’t worthy of lacing his boots.

That's because rizzu is a stat padder . Misbah averaged higher then most batters but everyone knew he was crap.

 

[Hyder]

That's because rizzu is a stat padder . Misbah averaged higher then most batters but everyone knew he was crap.

Asking again name better wk bat from pakistan.

About the other argument who ll u take im all 3 formats combined: steve or gayle? Hence ur logic is as dumb as ur ideas are

 

[mominsaigol]

Asking again name better wk bat from pakistan.

About the other argument who ll u take im all 3 formats combined: steve or gayle? Hence ur logic is as dumb as ur ideas are

Gayle obviously. Smith is a poor odi batsmen and a non existent t20 bat.

If i have to sacrifice Steve smith in test cricket for gayle in a 5 match test, odi and t20 series so be it.

 

[Mamoon]

That's because rizzu is a stat padder . Misbah averaged higher then most batters but everyone knew he was crap.

Newsflash: it is a problem for a batsman to score runs because you will be accused of being a stat padder.

If you want to be in the good books of hipster fans, don’t score any runs. You will come across as a selfless player who is not playing for himself.

If you are actually good at what you are supposed to do, i.e. score runs, hipster fans will call you selfish.

 

[mominsaigol]

Newsflash: it is a problem for a batsman to score runs because you will be accused of being a stat padder.

If you want to be in the good books of hipster fans, don’t score any runs. You will come across as a selfless player who is not playing for himself.

If you are actually good at what you are supposed to do, i.e. score runs, hipster fans will call you selfish.

No one criticises fakhar, Travis Head, Steve Smith(Test), Warner etc etc. Why?

 

[Mamoon]

No one criticises fakhar, Travis Head, Steve Smith(Test), Warner etc etc. Why?

Head, Smith and Warner are better than Rizwan, but last I checked, they are not available for selection for Pakistan so I don’t understand the purpose of this forced comparison.

For Pakistan, Rizwan walks into the team in all formats and he is better than Fakhar in Tests and T20Is. Fakhar is a complete fraud in T20Is but he escapes criticism because of myths.

 

[mominsaigol]

Head, Smith and Warner are better than Rizwan, but last I checked, they are not available for selection for Pakistan so I don’t understand the purpose of this forced comparison.

For Pakistan, Rizwan walks into the team in all formats and he is better than Fakhar in Tests and T20Is. Fakhar is a complete fraud in T20Is but he escapes criticism because of myths.

I'm asking why they escape criticism but rizwan and babar do not? You may include fakhar in this as well from a Pakistani perspective.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm asking why they escape criticism but rizwan and babar do not? You may include fakhar in this as well from a Pakistani perspective.

Fakhar should not escape criticism for his T20 performances. Rizwan doesn’t deserve any criticism just like Head, Warner and Smith do not.

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar should not escape criticism for his T20 performances. Rizwan doesn’t deserve any criticism just like Head, Warner and Smith do not.

Not my question. Im asking why they escape criticism. Its not just PP, its the public perception in general.

Babar and Rizwan are either loved or hated beyond belief.

Fakhar on the other hand is never truly hated nor is Smith, Warner, Travis etc etc.

Why is that?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India tbf are a champion nation. They won 2 back to back trophies. Only CT is questionable due to the unfair advantage they were given.

But I dont see anything wrong with their USA win.

Their clearly a tournament team. Its just when we compare any team to Aus, we usually refer to peak classic Australia and tbh I dont think any team will ever match them. The bar is way way way too high.

But current Aus is just alright. They lost to England in 2019 semi finals, india and Afghanistan eliminated them in t20 wc.

Australia is more so lucky that New Zealand and Pakistan always find a way to give them free wins which is why they squeeze through 99% of the time

This is kind of true. NZ and PAK get destroyed by Australia in World Cups, regardless of form.

But I would say that both NZ and PAK are vulnerable against quality left hand batters.

Been a consistent theme.

Even in the 90's and noughties , it was Taylor and Langer who scored heavily against PAK attacks.

 

[Hyder]

Gayle obviously. Smith is a poor odi batsmen and a non existent t20 bat.

If i have to sacrifice Steve smith in test cricket for gayle in a 5 match test, odi and t20 series so be it.

Still ignored the first question lol because u cant name one

You are dumb to choose gayle over smith because smith has won aus a wc with match winning innings in knockouts. But olease answer the first question too

 

[mominsaigol]

Still ignored the first question lol because u cant name one

You are dumb to choose gayle over smith because smith has won aus a wc with match winning innings in knockouts. But olease answer the first question too

2015 Steve smith is > any era Kohli as well.

However his odi form collapsed like a house of cards. Your issue is that you will take very miniscule era examples and treat them as a fact.

Smith was very very average in odi and non existent in t20.

In a series if I had to choose one then I would sacrifice test so that I cam win in atleast 2 formats odi and t20 assuming the team is competent enough.

As for rizwan. It's irrelevant to answer. Pakistan hasn't had good wk batters. They are the worse nation to ever produce keepers. Surprisingly even Zimbabwe and wi have produced better keepers then pak since they produced brendon Taylor who is > any Pakistani keepers ever.

The issue with rizwan is having him bat as an opener in t20, no 4 in odi. In which case their are better options.

Pakistan would be in a much better position if they have a hack and slash dasher in Muhammad haris occupy no 7 in odi and no 3 in t20 and have a proper opener in t20 and proper no 4 batter in odi.

Agha salman is infinitely > Rizzu in odi followed by fakhar, Saim, Farhan being far superior t20 options with haris being a better no 3 then rizwan in t20.

 

[Hyder]

2015 Steve smith is > any era Kohli as well.

However his odi form collapsed like a house of cards. Your issue is that you will take very miniscule era examples and treat them as a fact.

Smith was very very average in odi and non existent in t20.

In a series if I had to choose one then I would sacrifice test so that I cam win in atleast 2 formats odi and t20 assuming the team is competent enough.

As for rizwan. It's irrelevant to answer. Pakistan hasn't had good wk batters. They are the worse nation to ever produce keepers. Surprisingly even Zimbabwe and wi have produced better keepers then pak since they produced brendon Taylor who is > any Pakistani keepers ever.

The issue with rizwan is having him bat as an opener in t20, no 4 in odi. In which case their are better options.

Pakistan would be in a much better position if they have a hack and slash dasher in Muhammad haris occupy no 7 in odi and no 3 in t20 and have a proper opener in t20 and proper no 4 batter in odi.

Agha salman is infinitely > Rizzu in odi followed by fakhar, Saim, Farhan being far superior t20 options with haris being a better no 3 then rizwan in t20.

You cant take away from the fact that rizwan is greatest pakistan wk bat. He is better than dhoni in 2 formats.
Haris is very immature but for pakistans sake i hope he comes good because it ll be good to have him in limited overs. But i dont know how he ll perform in odis at 7. Rizwan should bat at 5 or 6 in odis for now.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is kind of true. NZ and PAK get destroyed by Australia in World Cups, regardless of form.

But I would say that both NZ and PAK are vulnerable against quality left hand batters.

Been a consistent theme.

Even in the 90's and noughties , it was Taylor and Langer who scored heavily against PAK attacks.

India is essentially classic aus in tournaments but they end up having butter fingers on occasions.

2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2019, 2022 and 2023 were all up for grabs tbh.

Maybe 2022 wasnt as their bowling was garbage beyond belief, and they probs got unlucky playing on a test match pitch in 2019.

But I feel 2017, 2016, 2014 and 2015 are excuses.

2015 is probably the onpy one I can semi tolerate due to under lights and because Australia was genuinely a better team.

But no excuse for 2014,16 and 17. They should have won it.

Australia just gets handed wins on a platter that's the issue. South Africa will hand them free wins in Knockouts. NZ and Pakistan will always ensure free points in group stages.

And in recent times, England is following suit as well.

 

[zahid01]

It's simple both are not suited to t20 but we are talking about pakistan anything is possible they have links with politicians

 

[Devadwal]

They deserve it or not , doens't matter because They will back in the world T20 2026 just like Faheem and Khushdil were back in the champion trophy team. This is how things in PCB work's.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

With he Top 5 taking shape in the form of Fakhar , Saim , Haris , Salman and Hassan it wouldn't be a realistic approach to continue with Babar and Riz in this format with the T20 WC a year away.

These players need game time to gel.

There is also Naeem and Nafay waiting in the wings at the top of the order.

Tests and ODI s are the way forward for Babar and Riz.

 

[Mamoon]

Not my question. Im asking why they escape criticism. Its not just PP, its the public perception in general.

Babar and Rizwan are either loved or hated beyond belief.

Fakhar on the other hand is never truly hated nor is Smith, Warner, Travis etc etc.

Why is that?

Fakhar escapes criticism because of his ODI performances. People are oblivious to his T20 performances.

As far as Babar and Rizwan are concerned, they have polarized the fans because most of our fans are idiots.

 

[Rana]

most of our fans are idiots.

Yes most of them want them back in T20s

 

[gazza619]

After the conclusion of the Bangladesh series I was convinced that the Ba/Riz chapter was officially closed and that this would the last time I would mention or talk about them.

But that doesn't seem to be the case. Despite Rizwan being removed from T20 captaincy with rumors circulating that he may he removed from Odi captaincy as well,

Babar and Rizwan have been retained in Category A with Agha being promoted to Category A as well. (It's still a rumor however credible sources have more or less confirmed it, otherwise I'm not one to circulate rumors as I don't believe a word of twitter)

The fact that they've been retained in Category A is very alarming with reports circulating that their training with the team on camp as well as Hesson forwarding the idea of Babar making his all format return. Granted he's hesistant and is observing how the team will perform in the 14 t20's yet to come.

Theirs also the fact that the openers have failed to make a mark. Saim Ayub and Farhan were okay in the series. Their performance while solid is not convincing enough to keep Babar and Rizwan out for good, the same goes for fakhar zaman who was dropped after 1 game.

Muhammad Haris was a revelation at no 3 but its obvious that Ba/Riz are eyeing a return to the opening spot.

Honestly I'm worried as im sick of Pakistan taking 2 steps forward, 3 steps back.

Alarming, worried, rumours, revelations…it seems as if your world is about to collapse

 

[mominsaigol]

Alarming, worried, rumours, revelations…it seems as if your world is about to collapse

Your world perhaps.

 

[Shaka81]

Look I know this isn't going to sit right with some of the prominent contributors on this forum but Rizwan and Babar should be held to the same standards as other players. If they perform well domestically, then they deserve the same opportunities to be selected on merit.

Downplaying their performances and overstating those of other players is not a good selection policy. Right now Rizwan deserves to be in the team across all formats. He's a very good wicketkeeper batsman. Easily the best in Pakistan right now. Until someone consistently outperforms him, he should play.

Babar has been out of form and deserves to be out of the T20 team certainly but if he can recover his form, then he's definitely one of the best in the country. He has flaws but so do all other players. It depends on how he manages them and whether he can find his run scoring groove again.

I think a win against a weakened Bangladesh team has driven some people a bit too crazy on the hype train. Interestingly if Babar or Rizwan had played and undoubtedly scored runs, the same people would be mentioning the lower quality of the opposition constantly.

 

[Rana]

Alarming, worried, rumours, revelations…it seems as if your world is about to collapse

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931759423032062402

Oops I did it again…

 

[Rana]

Right now Rizwan deserves to be in the team across all formats

??????

Right now I deserve to be the President of the United States???

Kuch bhi?!!

 

[Rana]

Right now Rizwan deserves to be in the team across all formats. He's a very good wicketkeeper batsman. Easily the best in Pakistan right now. Until someone consistently outperforms him, he should play.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867605382429896811

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Look I know this isn't going to sit right with some of the prominent contributors on this forum but Rizwan and Babar should be held to the same standards as other players. If they perform well domestically, then they deserve the same opportunities to be selected on merit.

Downplaying their performances and overstating those of other players is not a good selection policy. Right now Rizwan deserves to be in the team across all formats. He's a very good wicketkeeper batsman. Easily the best in Pakistan right now. Until someone consistently outperforms him, he should play.

Babar has been out of form and deserves to be out of the T20 team certainly but if he can recover his form, then he's definitely one of the best in the country. He has flaws but so do all other players. It depends on how he manages them and whether he can find his run scoring groove again.

I think a win against a weakened Bangladesh team has driven some people a bit too crazy on the hype train. Interestingly if Babar or Rizwan had played and undoubtedly scored runs, the same people would be mentioning the lower quality of the opposition constantly.

A very sensible take.

The fundamental issue with Pakistan is that we do not have the ability to take wickets in foreign conditions in any format. At home we tried to win by spin but it backfired as well so it's not something that can be banked upon consistently.

People often forget that the young upstarts played against Afghanistan and Pak ended up losing the series in Sharjah. Three wins on absolute dead pitches against a mediocre bowling lineup & all of a sudden we are in the golden era of Pak cricket.

The core issues remain

1. No test class fast bowlers & no spearhead in white ball cricket.
2. No good all rounder (spin or fast)
3. God awful fielding
4. No reliable proven finisher
5. No good spinner in white ball cricket

I'm glad that the top order is showing more intent but the real test awaits. Let's win something meaningful before we ride the hype train. The current gloat fest just feels drugs induced euphoria.

 

[Rana]

People often forget that the young upstarts played against Afghanistan and Pak ended up losing the series in Sharjah

Ok…

So what now? We should just give up and die?

 

[shamaan]

No need to pick Babar or Rizwan in t20s.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I don't think they are out of the team yet. They are out of T20 team for the moment but still integral part of ODI and Test format.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

After the conclusion of the Bangladesh series I was convinced that the Ba/Riz chapter was officially closed and that this would the last time I would mention or talk about them.

But that doesn't seem to be the case. Despite Rizwan being removed from T20 captaincy with rumors circulating that he may he removed from Odi captaincy as well,

Babar and Rizwan have been retained in Category A with Agha being promoted to Category A as well. (It's still a rumor however credible sources have more or less confirmed it, otherwise I'm not one to circulate rumors as I don't believe a word of twitter)

The fact that they've been retained in Category A is very alarming with reports circulating that their training with the team on camp as well as Hesson forwarding the idea of Babar making his all format return. Granted he's hesistant and is observing how the team will perform in the 14 t20's yet to come.

Theirs also the fact that the openers have failed to make a mark. Saim Ayub and Farhan were okay in the series. Their performance while solid is not convincing enough to keep Babar and Rizwan out for good, the same goes for fakhar zaman who was dropped after 1 game.

Muhammad Haris was a revelation at no 3 but its obvious that Ba/Riz are eyeing a return to the opening spot.

Honestly I'm worried as im sick of Pakistan taking 2 steps forward, 3 steps back.

You haven't mentioned if your talking about the T20 side or if you are also talking about the Odi or the most neglected format of all the Tests. As long as T20 format is concerned we can do without those two for now. For longer format we just don't have enough depth to replace them.
Even then, we have only beaten Bangladesh on home grounds which is hardly a noteworthy achievement. Are Mohd Harris, Faheem, Khushdil, Hasan Nawaz going to perform against the top sides consistently? If not then who can stop Babar from making a comeback.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Babar can still make a comeback, provided he gets out of his natural habit of playing for himself once the going gets tough. Rizwan has completely lost the ability to play according to modern day cricket standards, so I guess just keep him for longer formats for now.

Too much bhangra on the new lot performing though, they will get exposed brutally against better sides. Still would be better watching them rather than Babar or Rizwan tuk-tuking to below average scores.

Our cricketers right now cannot compete with the top 5, the talent pool is way too mediocre to even think about that.

 

[salman24]

It would be great.

Babar definitely needs to be in all formats. Rizwan needs to play ODIs and Tests but I would be okay with him being left out of T20s but I don't mind him being there either.

 

[gazza619]

We should just give up and die?

Yes you should

 

[Rana]

Yes you should

Don’t worry, I will one day. But believe in this,

I will drag all of you RizBar laanti supporters to hell with me!