Pakistan going the same route as Sri Lanka!

[ManFan]

Emotions are on a high right now on PP with yet another Test series failure.

However, the bowling and fielding are not to blame for overseas defeat this time but the batting.

Particularly, the hole left by Misbah and Younis. Usmam, Haris, Sarfraz, Azhar, Asad have failed to flatter with poor shot selection and mental toughness.

It sounds like a familiar story. That’s because it is.

It happened with SL three years ago when Kumar Sangakkara and Mabel’s Jayawardene retired from Test cricket leaving a daunting task to the new middle-order. Despite a whitewash of Australia at home, they have achieved zilch since that eventful exit of their two most prolific batsmen.

PAK now is in the same spot as ALL the senior batsmen, particularly the “triumphant” triumvirate of real-life friends Asad, Azhar and Sarfraz, have not performed on this tour.

The more worrying signs are that the Test team is being forced to carry a Specialist Captain due to a lack of options.

 

[j_kazmi]

Really? Last week it was the start of a new golden era.

 

[ManFan]

Really? Last week it was the start of a new golden era.

Outcomes of matches entirely different.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I know people are emotional and disappointed but we are overdoing it here. Mamoon gets blamed but we do the same after a loss.

Pak's bowling is decent and our youngsters looked okayish. If we replace the seniors we still could be a decent side on good batting wickets.

Honsla rakho!

 

[ManFan]

I know people are emotional and disappointed but we are overdoing it here. Mamoon gets blamed but we do the same after a loss.

Pak's bowling is decent and our youngsters looked okayish. If we replace the seniors we still could be a decent side on good batting wickets.

Honsla rakho!

Problem is the seniors will not leave.

 

[Buffet]

Emotions are on a high right now on PP with yet another Test series failure.

However, the bowling and fielding are not to blame for overseas defeat this time but the batting.

Particularly, the hole left by Misbah and Younis. Usmam, Haris, Sarfraz, Azhar, Asad have failed to flatter with poor shot selection and mental toughness.

It sounds like a familiar story. That’s because it is.

It happened with SL three years ago when Kumar Sangakkara and Mabel’s Jayawardene retired from Test cricket leaving a daunting task to the new middle-order. Despite a whitewash of Australia at home, they have achieved zilch since that eventful exit of their two most prolific batsmen.

PAK now is in the same spot as ALL the senior batsmen, particularly the “triumphant” triumvirate of real-life friends Asad, Azhar and Sarfraz, have not performed on this tour.

The more worrying signs are that the Test team is being forced to carry a Specialist Captain due to a lack of options.

Sl whitewashing Pakistan in UAE is not really a zilch. Even with Sanga in team, SL rarely won away test series against non-minnows.

 

[ManFan]

Sl whitewashing Pakistan in UAE is not really a zilch. Even with Sanga in team, SL rarely won away test series against non-minnows.

Yeah forgot to add that achievement.

Even if it was against a relatively new team.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

No we aren’t.

We have a much better all round bowling attack than SL.

Our batting is also superior to theirs.We won a Test in England like last week.

 

[Sachin136]

Sl whitewashing Pakistan in UAE is not really a zilch. Even with Sanga in team, SL rarely won away test series against non-minnows.

Exactly, and SL also won 1-0 over two matches in Bangladesh. So they beat 2 of the other 3 Asian teams away (not counting Afghanistan). They lost a lot to India, but there's no shame in that.

 

[ManFan]

No we aren’t.

We have a much better all round bowling attack than SL.

Our batting is also superior to theirs.We won a Test in England like last week.

Batting has been exposed for what it is.

Seniors hogging on for an undeserved paycheck.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Emotions are on a high right now on PP with yet another Test series failure.

However, the bowling and fielding are not to blame for overseas defeat this time but the batting.

Particularly, the hole left by Misbah and Younis. Usmam, Haris, Sarfraz, Azhar, Asad have failed to flatter with poor shot selection and mental toughness.

It sounds like a familiar story. That’s because it is.

It happened with SL three years ago when Kumar Sangakkara and Mabel’s Jayawardene retired from Test cricket leaving a daunting task to the new middle-order. Despite a whitewash of Australia at home, they have achieved zilch since that eventful exit of their two most prolific batsmen.

PAK now is in the same spot as ALL the senior batsmen, particularly the “triumphant” triumvirate of real-life friends Asad, Azhar and Sarfraz, have not performed on this tour.

The more worrying signs are that the Test team is being forced to carry a Specialist Captain due to a lack of options.

Failure?

Bro we are the only 2nd team to NOT lose a series in England twice in a row

It is humiliation for a team like England that they did not beat an inexperienced Pakistan side.

But changes are needed though

 

[sam_ahm]

while I do agree Pakistan have some problems the situation is not that bad. Before the start of this tour if someone would have said, Pakistan will draw the series against England 1-1 after beating Ireland 1-0, they would have taken it.

The problem is still there, the biggest one is that after so much of investment in Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq and with the experience they have got over the years, they simply continue to be average batters, nothing more. Sarfraz has been an abject failure, I actually like him, he comes across as a very nice person, but if he can't perform then Pakistan need to look for alternatives. If you have competition for places in the side, it keeps the players on their toes, unfortunately Sarfraz's case, it seems Mickey is just happy to have him there, irrespective of whether he performs or not. Sad.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I agree with the specialist captain bit.Sarfraz has been mediocre with the bat for quite a while.Asad has always been inconsistent.Azhar had a horrible tour,but he will be back.Give them until the next series.If they don’t perform,axe them.

 

[Sadevdesai]

Too much fake faith in our Team !!!!

 

[Buffet]

OP, it was a very poor performance from Pakistani batsmen, but I think one match is not the start and the end of everything.

I often see PPers touting about 4th inning performance, but most tests are won or lost in the first 2 innings itself. That's why I always consider anyone playing big in the first 2 innings as extremely valuable. You shape the match often that way.

 

[Syed1]

No side can win every match.... The first innings put us so far behind that we could never really recover. It happens. Give your wrists a rest.

 

[Mamoon]

We are finished in Test cricket.

 

[ManFan]

No side can win every match.... The first innings put us so far behind that we could never really recover. It happens. Give your wrists a rest.

We have won 1 of our last 5 Test series with 3 victories and 9 losses.

That’s worrying.

 

[Markhor]

Sri Lanka got hammered 2-0 last time they toured England in 2016, and we've bettered their result in our following two tours here.

However batting remains a big worry as there's too many batsmen who fail to convert starts or have technical issues that good seam attacks will expose.

The good news is we have a lot of red ball cricket coming up in the next 6 months so we have time to get our Test formula right and for this young team to mature.

I still feel Sarfraz positioned at 6, given his atrocious form, really exposes our batting and that either he drops back down to 7, or you play a specialist batsman in place of one of the all-rounders. Otherwise we"re looking at double digit totals against Philander, Rabada and Ngidi.

 

[Greenstorm]

Calm down everybody. We are building a young team here. Players have potential and they have shown that before. Need to give this team some time and be patient with them.

 

[PakLFC]

We are not producing any quality batsman that is our biggest problem. England did not get a massive score in their first innings yet Pak still lost the match comprehensively. Any decent batting side would not have surrendered to defeat like we did rather would have stood a chance of winning. I don't see the point in making changes for the sake off it. We are clearly producing class bowlers yet have struggled to do so batsmen since Inzi and co retired. A few good innings and we start talking up the likes of Asad and Azhar like no one's business. The question is why are we not producing batsmen of the highest quality of yesteryear?

 

[Syed1]

Sri Lanka got hammered 2-0 last time they toured England in 2016, and we've bettered their result in our following two tours here.

However batting remains a big worry as there's too many batsmen who fail to convert starts or have technical issues that good seam attacks will expose.

The good news is we have a lot of red ball cricket coming up in the next 6 months so we have time to get our Test formula right and for this young team to mature.

I still feel Sarfraz positioned at 6, given his atrocious form, really exposes our batting and that either he drops back down to 7, or you play a specialist batsman in place of one of the all-rounders. Otherwise we"re looking at double digit totals against Philander, Rabada and Ngidi.

Perhaps both Babar and Usman have to play with Fahim making way for Babar. Sarfaraz dropping below Shadab at 8.

Shah will most likely be fit till then which further muddies the waters. I liked the idea of Shadab and Fahim at 7/8 but performance of the top 6 leaves alot to be desired.

 

[Taaya]

We are finished in Test cricket.

I don't understand how this individual is seen as a respected poster with emotionally labile comments such as these. Ridiculous. We just tied a series in England with a young side. Give your head a shake.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

We have won 1 of our last 5 Test series with 3 victories and 9 losses.

That’s worrying.

Well majority of those series were in AUS NZ ENG

How have other Asian teams fared there?

 

[babajee]

#MisYou is overrated.

 

[Buffet]

We are finished in Test cricket.

Pakistan drew a short series in Eng by performing better than expectations. Why will you call Pakistan finished in the test format? Sure, not among the best sides, but from finished.

 

[Savage]

Tbh I always find it hard to rate win against England not because they are a bad team but wins against them are generally more due to England playing poorly.

After seeing another mediocre performance from pakistan,it is pretty clear that batting is a major problem for Pakistan.

1-1 is a great result for Pakistan but IMO 2-0 whitewash against SL gives better reflection of Pakistan Test Team right now.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

We are finished in Test cricket.

We just drew a series with a young side,with non-performing seniors.We’re the only side except SA to go unbeaten for 2 series in a row,in England.Lets see how your Indian team will do in better conditions.

 

[Pete Rose]

I think nearly everything worked on this tour except the performance of the senior players in the last innings. We are just not getting enough rest matches to play. I guess playing Zimbabwe will give some more confidence to the younger players. But yeah azhar and Asad, and Sarfaraz they need to do their bit.

I like a thread where OP start with talking about emotions running high and then concluding something emotional as well

 

[Buffet]

1-1 is a great result for Pakistan but IMO 2-0 whitewash against SL gives better reflection of Pakistan Test Team right now.

All 4 tests may have resulted differently if management had decided differently. if I recall , Pakistan relied on their average pacers in UAE rather than going for spinners. That was a blunder. Eng tests were pretty much decided on who batted first.

I don't think 0-2 or 1-1 tells a lot here about Pakistan.

 

[Pete Rose]

Tbh I always find it hard to rate win against England not because they are a bad team but wins against them are generally more due to England playing poorly.

After seeing another mediocre performance from pakistan,it is pretty clear that batting is a major problem for Pakistan.

1-1 is a great result for Pakistan but IMO 2-0 whitewash against SL gives better reflection of Pakistan Test Team right now.

I do like this profound insight about how a team that plays poorly loses. Tell me more...

 

[mefromIndia]

Overall this England series has been a good tour for Pakistan, drawing 1-1 away is creditable

 

[Markhor]

I don't understand how this individual is seen as a respected poster with emotionally labile comments such as these. Ridiculous. We just tied a series in England with a young side. Give your head a shake.

Becoming a parody of himself now.

 

[Pete Rose]

Becoming a parody of himself now.

I think the notion that one can 'guess' how Pakistan will perform on tough tours is hardly insightful.
What most fans should realize is that Pakistan compete in international test cricket despite significant systemic disadvantages. I cant recall when our lest was before this tour. Looking forward its not particularly easier. We have two tests against Zimbabwe and then a season at home of test matches against NZ. That really is not the prep for a tough tour of South Africa.
As i mentioned in the other thread, I think this has been a very fruitful test tour for Pakistan. Even in this test match the three senior batsmen needed to do better. Most disappointed with Shafiq because he has the tools to play in these conditions. But again, I go back to the fact that we just dont get to play enough marquee tours.

 

[Markhor]

I think the notion that one can 'guess' how Pakistan will perform on tough tours is hardly insightful.
What most fans should realize is that Pakistan compete in international test cricket despite significant systemic disadvantages. I cant recall when our lest was before this tour. Looking forward its not particularly easier. We have two tests against Zimbabwe and then a season at home of test matches against NZ. That really is not the prep for a tough tour of South Africa.
As i mentioned in the other thread, I think this has been a very fruitful test tour for Pakistan. Even in this test match the three senior batsmen needed to do better. Most disappointed with Shafiq because he has the tools to play in these conditions. But again, I go back to the fact that we just dont get to play enough marquee tours.

The Zimbabwe Tests are off - ZCB are too broke to host them so it'll be a T20 tri series with them and Australia before an ODI series against the hosts.

Whatever the preparation, I'm not expecting much in South Africa even with the loss of their big names.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan drew a short series in Eng by performing better than expectations. Why will you call Pakistan finished in the test format? Sure, not among the best sides, but from finished.

England have been in very poor form. You look at the personnel and I don't see us ascending up the rankings in a long time. The batting lineup is very shallow, there is no leadership and the bowling is impotent on flat pitches.

The UAE dominance is over as well. Younis had the ability to score big and Misbah rarely failed. I can see South Africa and Australia winning a Test series in the UAE in the future, we no longer have the ability to pile up those 500+ scores.

If you can score 300 against this Pakistan team, you will win more often than not.

 

[the_game]

We are finished in Test cricket.

Lol man you are loving this aren't you? Calm down captain optimist.

The bowling is way superior compared to sri Lanka, we need to get rid of mini misbahs in the team (shafiq, Azhar etc) and no reason why we can't continue to be a decent side (Mickeys involvement is crucial though to build a solid core of players for this format as well).

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't understand how this individual is seen as a respected poster with emotionally labile comments such as these. Ridiculous. We just tied a series in England with a young side. Give your head a shake.

Writes for attention, lonely chap and Indian fan.

Things are looking up for Pakistan. A draw against England in England isn't a bad result.

We will see the team flourish this winter in the UAE against NZ and Aus.

 

[KingKhanWC]

England have been in very poor form. You look at the personnel and I don't see us ascending up the rankings in a long time. The batting lineup is very shallow, there is no leadership and the bowling is impotent on flat pitches.

The UAE dominance is over as well. Younis had the ability to score big and Misbah rarely failed. I can see South Africa and Australia winning a Test series in the UAE in the future, we no longer have the ability to pile up those 500+ scores.

If you can score 300 against this Pakistan team, you will win more often than not.

You've been wrong so many times surely it must be getting embarrising for you now?

Ill do you a deal? If Pakistan lose both series in the UAE this winter, I will leave the forum. If they win both, you can?

 

[Mamoon]

We just drew a series with a young side,with non-performing seniors.We’re the only side except SA to go unbeaten for 2 series in a row,in England.Lets see how your Indian team will do in better conditions.

No point in bringing the 2016 series because it was a different team. The current Pakistan batting lineup is terrible and does not have the ability to post big totals. Azhar is a liability, Imam is nothing special, Haris is a rich man's Amin who looks great but cannot get past 30 and 40, Babar has failed in 80% of his Test innings and Shafiq is mediocre.

The less said about the captain, the better. This is the weakest batting unit in Test cricket excluding West Indies, Ireland, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe.

 

[Buffet]

England have been in very poor form. You look at the personnel and I don't see us ascending up the rankings in a long time. The batting lineup is very shallow, there is no leadership and the bowling is impotent on flat pitches.

The UAE dominance is over as well. Younis had the ability to score big and Misbah rarely failed. I can see South Africa and Australia winning a Test series in the UAE in the future, we no longer have the ability to pile up those 500+ scores.

If you can score 300 against this Pakistan team, you will win more often than not.

While I do think that Pakistan may find it harder to pile up runs in UAE, I am not too sure about assessment of Eng. We will find out soon when Indians tour Eng. I don't expect Indians to do well due to long tour. Indians run out of steam in longer tours. So let's see.

 

[Mamoon]

You've been wrong so many times surely it must be getting embarrising for you now?

Ill do you a deal? If Pakistan lose both series in the UAE this winter, I will leave the forum. If they win both, you can?

I think you forgot that this team was embarrassed by Sri Lanka in the UAE not long ago.

 

[the_game]

I don't understand how this individual is seen as a respected poster with emotionally labile comments such as these. Ridiculous. We just tied a series in England with a young side. Give your head a shake.

I think you are stretching the term respected to as far as it can go LOL, don't pay attention to such moronic statements. I still trust Mickey will instill self belief in the test side soon as well. We are getting closer to not accepting any mediocrity in the team which is a very good sign.

 

[Mamoon]

While I do think that Pakistan may find it harder to pile up runs in UAE, I am not too sure about assessment of Eng. We will find out soon when Indians tour Eng. I don't expect Indians to do well due to long tour. Indians run out of steam in longer tours. So let's see.

The England team is much better than the results. The core of Cook, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Anderson and Broad is very good, and should be producing better results. Maybe Bayliss is the problem - perhaps they need new direction.

They need to play with the intensity and determination that we saw in this game. At times, the English players do not appear to be hungry enough. The Indian series is going to be very close in my view, in fact too close to call. Might go 2-1 either way.

 

[Buffet]

The England team is much better than the results. The core of Cook, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Anderson and Broad is very good, and should be producing better results. Maybe Bayliss is the problem - perhaps they need new direction.

They need to play with the intensity and determination that we saw in this game. At times, the English players do not appear to be hungry enough. The Indian series is going to be very close in my view, in fact too close to call. Might go 2-1 either way.

I think it will be Eng winning by 2-1.

 

[Rayyman]

England have been in very poor form. You look at the personnel and I don't see us ascending up the rankings in a long time. The batting lineup is very shallow, there is no leadership and the bowling is impotent on flat pitches.

The UAE dominance is over as well. Younis had the ability to score big and Misbah rarely failed. I can see South Africa and Australia winning a Test series in the UAE in the future, we no longer have the ability to pile up those 500+ scores.

If you can score 300 against this Pakistan team, you will win more often than not.

I think Aus. will be playing their first series without Smith and Warner. I expect us to demolish them.

 

[Ab Fan]

Agreed that UAE dominance might not be the same but that is because Younis was just so brilliant in UAE.

However, Pakistan have still performed well in this series. My prediction was 2-0 because I expected Root to get his conversion rate right and that would have helped England dominate the series but it didnt happened.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Aus. will be playing their first series without Smith and Warner. I expect us to demolish them.

Maybe, but any team can put this side under pressure if they manage a sub 300 score. We can wax lyrical about our attack as much as we want, but time and time again, it has proved to be average on flat wickets. Producing rank turners is the way forward for us in the UAE, because the typically flat UAE pitches will not work anymore.

The days of scoring 500 and 600 are over. You don't put up mammoth totals with these batsmen.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think you forgot that this team was embarrassed by Sri Lanka in the UAE not long ago.

The team was in transition. Now it is settled and has a lot of potential. You will see them in full flow in the UAE with two leggies and 3 pacers . Aus and NZ will not be able to cope, yet you believe they are finished even in the UAE.

Bro, you've been wrong so any times, please stop with these comical predictions.

 

[Mamoon]

The team was in transition. Now it is settled and has a lot of potential. You will see them in full flow in the UAE with two leggies and 3 pacers . Aus and NZ will not be able to cope, yet you believe they are finished even in the UAE.

Bro, you've been wrong so any times, please stop with these comical predictions.

You don't get out of transition in a few months. It is the same team with the same personnel. The major factor for that loss was the tactical mistake of playing one spinner only, but that had nothing to do with the fact that the batting flopped.

A batting lineup of Azhar, Imam, Haris, Babar, Shafiq and Sarfraz is very shallow. Yes the lower order batting has improved, but Shadab and Fahim cannot do much when you don't have a single world class batsman in your top-order.

This team will be under trouble if the bowlers don't get the opposition out for less than 300 consistently.

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL. Should one laugh or cry seeing such threads and posts? Last time in ENG we had MisYou and drew the series and this time without them we managed it again. With MisYou we got trashed in AUS like many PAK teams before. This YOUNG team won 2 out of 3 tests this summer. Yes we got spanked today but no shame as up North in May this was on the cards.

We play very little test cricket so this whole tour was special.

 

[Titan24]

Emotions are on a high right now on PP with yet another Test series failure.

However, the bowling and fielding are not to blame for overseas defeat this time but the batting.

Particularly, the hole left by Misbah and Younis. Usmam, Haris, Sarfraz, Azhar, Asad have failed to flatter with poor shot selection and mental toughness.

It sounds like a familiar story. That’s because it is.

It happened with SL three years ago when Kumar Sangakkara and Mabel’s Jayawardene retired from Test cricket leaving a daunting task to the new middle-order. Despite a whitewash of Australia at home, they have achieved zilch since that eventful exit of their two most prolific batsmen.

PAK now is in the same spot as ALL the senior batsmen, particularly the “triumphant” triumvirate of real-life friends Asad, Azhar and Sarfraz, have not performed on this tour.

The more worrying signs are that the Test team is being forced to carry a Specialist Captain due to a lack of options.

Drawing a series in Eng in May-June a failiure?
Bro which cricket you have been in watching over the last 5-6 years?

 

[Itachi]

Eh? From Golden Era to downward spiral this quick?

Why fans are so brittle?

 

[babajee]

Eh? From Golden Era to downward spiral this quick?

Why fans are so brittle?

Different fans come out at different times

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Didn't expect this from op who i remember was praising the team just a week back. You expect this from trolls and Bangladeshis/indians but not from good posters.

Sorry but really yar why do you guys change your pinions after just 1 match even the experience posters here, its like what my mohalla 12 old year kids do. Give the youngsters some time 1-1 is a good result in May-Early June conditions in England.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Ah the fickle fans of the Pakistani cricket in full flow.

With such a young and inexperienced team - how on earth is drawing a series against England at home in May/June a failure?

2 weeks ago we struggled against Ireland & the wrist skitter were out in full flow, shouting from the rooftops that Pakistan will get thumped 2-0 and be anhilated in both Test matches.

Last week the young team played sensibly and showed maturity & suddenly we were entering a new golden era.

This week England bounce back and beat us comprehensively so we are on the same path as Sri Lanka and you see threads about Pakistan having one of the “worst Test bowling attack” being bumped up

I’ve said it for years and I’ll say it again. There is a lot wrong with Pakistani cricket - however the biggest cancer in Pakistani cricket are the fickle fans who build players up and bring them crashing down on the flip of a dime.

 

[Savage]

All 4 tests may have resulted differently if management had decided differently. if I recall , Pakistan relied on their average pacers in UAE rather than going for spinners. That was a blunder. Eng tests were pretty much decided on who batted first.

I don't think 0-2 or 1-1 tells a lot here about Pakistan.

Agreed.

But one thing we do know that Batting is a major worry for Pakistan.

 

[Savage]

I do like this profound insight about how a team that plays poorly loses. Tell me more...

When England play at their best,they can beat any team comfortably at home but they have always been inconsistent side.And due to inconsistency they have been extremely poor in some of the matches at home like lord test match against India 2014,lord Test match against Pakistan 2016 or 2 convincing loss in Ashes 2015.

To summarise,Winning 1 test match in England series should not be a great deal for a good side.Apart from 1 series against Sl(2016),they have lost Atleast 1 test match in each series at home since 2014.Heck,They even allowed West Indies to chase 320+ score in 4th innings just last year.

 

[adil_909]

Definitely should not have batted first. Pakistani bowlers had their tails up, england batting was under pressure. Should have put them under more pressure straight away. Could have been a different result. Oh well. Time to move on. PCB needs to do something to increase our test matches. We play half as many tests as the top teams. How is the young team going to improve if we don't get games?

 

[ManFan]

Just to clear the air here:

1.) A drawn series is a “failure” in the sense that we could and did not win it.

2.) This is a young team so obviously there is room for dramatic improvement. If anything, the only players that did not perform poorly were the youngsters. Abbas, Amir, Hasan, Shadab, Fahim, Babar.

3.) Yes, this post was dramatic but my opinion still stands. Not that Pakistan will be a failure as a Test team but the middle-order gap will not result in a string of victories in the near future.

4). The biggest problem are the underperforming seniors. Sarfraz is a brilliant LOI captain and a decent Test captain. But his poor form with the bat suggests that the workload is too much for him. And it’s not as if he has a technical flaw but rather a temperamental one at that.

5). I will be happy if PAK beat NZ and AUS in the UAE season coming up but with this inexperienced team led by ill seniors, it seems highly unlikely.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan issue is that main batsmen Azhar , Asad and sarfaraz are all pretty mediocre.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

What an overreaction.

This a young team that is slowly building itself. The fundamental are there - just need to tinker with a couple of batting positions . We need more tests as well.

 

[PakSarZameen]

The wrist slitting has begun!

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Drawing 2test series is noo big deal...pak team shld thank pcb for scheduling just 2test series else situation would had been very embarrassing

 

[ArsenalFC]

The worry going into UAE is, that there isn't anyone other than Fakhar Zaman who is quality against spin. Sarfraz was excellent in the 2014 and 2015 SL tour but he isn't the same player.

I can see Nathan Lyon and Santner running through Pakistan in UAE. Yes the former got destroyed by YK last time around (4 years ago) but unfortunately for us now he's a far better spinner and we don't have an ATG player against spin like Younis was.

 

[babajee]

Ah the fickle fans of the Pakistani cricket in full flow.

With such a young and inexperienced team - how on earth is drawing a series against England at home in May/June a failure?

2 weeks ago we struggled against Ireland & the wrist skitter were out in full flow, shouting from the rooftops that Pakistan will get thumped 2-0 and be anhilated in both Test matches.

Last week the young team played sensibly and showed maturity & suddenly we were entering a new golden era.

This week England bounce back and beat us comprehensively so we are on the same path as Sri Lanka and you see threads about Pakistan having one of the “worst Test bowling attack” being bumped up

I’ve said it for years and I’ll say it again. There is a lot wrong with Pakistani cricket - however the biggest cancer in Pakistani cricket are the fickle fans who build players up and bring them crashing down on the flip of a dime.

Post of the week.

 

[Khan12]

This team is full of youngsters and expecting them to be consistent straight away is unfair. A lot of the youngsters have given glimbses of their potential and have shown they belong in international cricket.

I was very pleased how Babar played at Lord's as well as fahim and shadab. Shadab has great potential he actually bowled really well of this tour I know he doesn't have the wickets to back it. fahim had a decent tour too bowled very well this innings and perhaps he was our best bowler in the first innings. His batting is decent too just needs to work on his shot selection and also work on his defense.

Usman showed he has solid defence and can definitely see him being a mainstay in our test team. Haris had starts pretty much all the innings but didn't covert any on them which is a shame but I am sure he will soon start scoring big. I was very pleased how he approached the target at Lord's after losing Azhar I am sure a lot people would be been thinking the worse specially which Babar not being able to bat and Shafiq and sarfraz were to follow


Finally people who think our cricket is dead, the team is rubbish, bring negative all the blah blah please spend your time wisely and do something else as you guys are clearly wasting your time following this team and spreading negativity all the time.

This is a young team and the young players have excellent potential to take us forward and become a very good team. Let back the young guns.

 

[Buffet]

The worry going into UAE is, that there isn't anyone other than Fakhar Zaman who is quality against spin. Sarfraz was excellent in the 2014 and 2015 SL tour but he isn't the same player.

I can see Nathan Lyon and Santner running through Pakistan in UAE. Yes the former got destroyed by YK last time around (4 years ago) but unfortunately for us now he's a far better spinner and we don't have an ATG player against spin like Younis was.

Don't forget that Aus has to bat in UAE as well and they won't have Smith and Warner. They are likely to struggle more.

 

[Adnan_Ilyas]

in terms in Tests not ODI and T20

 

[ManFan]

in terms in Tests not ODI and T20

Of course.

And not as if PAK won’t get better but I don’t see them performing like they did from 2013-2016 in the near future.

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

We are finished in Test cricket.

Mere [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] bhai...you are the most worst supporter ever happened to pak cricket.

 

[bantu]

Ah the fickle fans of the Pakistani cricket in full flow.

With such a young and inexperienced team - how on earth is drawing a series against England at home in May/June a failure?

2 weeks ago we struggled against Ireland & the wrist skitter were out in full flow, shouting from the rooftops that Pakistan will get thumped 2-0 and be anhilated in both Test matches.

Last week the young team played sensibly and showed maturity & suddenly we were entering a new golden era.

This week England bounce back and beat us comprehensively so we are on the same path as Sri Lanka and you see threads about Pakistan having one of the “worst Test bowling attack” being bumped up

I’ve said it for years and I’ll say it again. There is a lot wrong with Pakistani cricket - however the biggest cancer in Pakistani cricket are the fickle fans who build players up and bring them crashing down on the flip of a dime.

Very good Post .... It is always the Boom or the Bust prediction ... nothing inbetween..

 

[The_Odd_One]

People need to understand that all teams lose away from home. 1-1 is still a very good result.

 

[ManFan]

People need to understand that all teams lose away from home. 1-1 is still a very good result.

I don’t want our teams/fans to be complacent with a draw.

 

[blackanhyellow]

People need to understand that all teams lose away from home. 1-1 is still a very good result.

This.

Need to remind PPers of the head to head record against England since 2010.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I don’t want our teams/fans to be complacent with a draw.

India were 0-2 after first 2 tests in SA with a strong batting line up against a weaker SA team. I did not see any Indian posters saying their team is finished. Honestly, how many teams have recently won away from home?

England is no minnow team. Given right conditions, they can demolish any team at their home.

 

[The_Odd_One]

This.

Need to remind PPers of the head to head record against England since 2010.

Fluke, out of form, missing key players, etc etc

 

[ManFan]

India were 0-2 after first 2 tests in SA with a strong batting line up against a weaker SA team. I did not see any Indian posters saying their team is finished. Honestly, how many teams have recently won away from home?

England is no minnow team. Given right conditions, they can demolish any team at their home.

That is all true and I hear you BUT we wasted a golden opportunity to win a series one ENG after 22 years.

 

[barah_admi]

India were 0-2 after first 2 tests in SA with a strong batting line up against a weaker SA team. I did not see any Indian posters saying their team is finished. Honestly, how many teams have recently won away from home?

England is no minnow team. Given right conditions, they can demolish any team at their home.

Exactly!

i said after the Lord's test that England have not lost a test series at home in 4 years, so if Pak even draw this series, as depleted as they are, with as many young players as they have, it would be a huge achievement. This is a huge achievement.

Shadab Khan is 19 years old, Usman was a debutant, Abbas had about 5 or 6 tests before this series, Amir is carrying an injury or two, Imam has had 3 tests, Hasan Ali has only just arrived on the test scene and the best spinner on the planet, the fastest to however many wickets, wasn't even playing.

Let's look at it for what it is, a severely depleted Pak side just drew against a full strength England side.

 

[The_Odd_One]

That is all true and I hear you BUT we wasted a golden opportunity to win a series one ENG after 22 years.

Yes, we did but you need a solid experienced team to consistently perform that is required to win a series.