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An India v Pakistan final is about as big an occasion as the ICC could have hoped for, but few would have foreseen Pakistan going the distance in the tournament given the nature of its defeat to its greatest rivals earlier in the tournament.

Pakistan’s shock defeat of the in-form host England has set up what’s undoubtedly the most important meeting of the two sides in recent memory.

When recapping the game at Lord’s between South Africa and England before the tournament, I made a point of pointing out that the best sides, despite sticking to their method wherever possible, analyse conditions well. On that occasion, England was the creator of its own downfall in playing some loose cricket shots, without doing the ‘hard yards’ that even the modern-day batsmen must be prepared to put in every now and again.

This was another example of some poor game management from Eoin Morgan’s side.

Having seen Pakistan’s record at this tournament, England should have re-evaluated its plans, looking to put a score of around 270-280 on the board, which would have allowed the bowlers the opportunity to go about creating pressure. I truly believe that it would have been able to defend a score in that region, but the way it played suggested to me that it was going to try and bat Pakistan completely out of the game.

I see a missing cog in the England batting machine, in that if the pitch hasn’t played to its initial game plan, as a team it has failed to find a lower gear and simply get itself to a score. Not every track will allow you to hit through the line and play the brand of expansive cricket that has, admittedly, launched England to being one of the most dangerous short form sides in world cricket.

However, as a batting unit, England will be mighty disappointed in terms of the manner in which its basic approach to the innings let it down against Pakistan.

Throughout the tournament, Pakistan has proven that its bowling is its stronger suit with the skill and guile of players like Hassan Ali and Imad Wasim, who’ve both impressed me hugely.

As a team, Pakistan has been masterful in terms of how it squeezes teams and applies pressure consistently. England was never given the opportunity to score freely, and it was an exemplary display of disciplined one-day bowling from Pakistan.

I’m a huge advocate of getting your spinners in to the game early in one-day cricket, something Pakistan has done effectively so far. Both Imad and Mohammad Hafeez have bowled straight and in a very clever way in this tournament. They’re not big turners of the ball, but what they contribute in terms of building pressure is invaluable to their captain.

Despite how well this Pakistan team has bowled, it will need a few factors to go its way if its is going to go on to win the ultimate prize and beat its arch-rivals India for the trophy itself.

I would predict that Pakistan will look to bowl first if it wins the toss, and work to restrict India to a total within its reach. Batting first, and setting a score, has been a tough ask throughout the knockout phase of the tournament so far, and I don’t see that as Pakistan’s strength.

This Indian team is in sensational form, and as it so often does, it’s peaking at the right time. It had the simpler route to the final in terms of facing Bangladesh in its semi-final, but the clinical fashion in which it went about picking Bangladesh off was still a show of its confidence as a side.

Having your top order hit form at a tournament is key, and with Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan, it has built solid platforms all the way through the competition.

India dealt with Pakistan pretty severely in the first meeting of the sides in the group stages. That won’t mean everything, but it’s certainly a big ask of Pakistan to lay that performance to rest and front up to the challenge that awaits it on Sunday.

For the tournament’s sake, I hope we see a closer game of cricket than we did in the two semi-finals, as well as a mutual respect and enjoyment of the spectacle from the opposing fans.

One guarantee is that players and fans are to be treated to an electric atmosphere at The Oval. The smart choice, given its quality and form, would be India. However, Pakistan has already shown that it is more than capable of surprises.

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If we actually beat India it would do wonders for our confidence, the WC 2019 and onwards, the players would know they can beat india, and that they've done it before in the biggest pressure match in recent memory. This is more than game for several reasons, and an opportune time to get rid of the mental block that has haunted the team for so long.
 
India would be squeezed to oblivion, I'm sensing our pacers ripping through Indian batting.
 
Just need to get their Top 3 our cheaply. Dunno how we're gonna do that but if we do it, we should win inshaAllah

Only if we weren't playing with this pathetic cricket ball. New ball swing would give us the advantage.
 
Only if we weren't playing with this pathetic cricket ball. New ball swing would give us the advantage.

What bowlers should we go with, considering Amir, Junaid & Hasan are starters?

I'd go with Raees & Shadab but wouldn't mind Fahim & Shadab either. Imad should sit out.
 
If it were upto me I'd play this line up:

Amir
Junaid
Hasan
Raees
Shadab


However, this weakens the batting a great deal.
 
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If it were upto me I'd play this line up:

Amir
Junaid
Hasan
Raees
Shadab


However, this weakens the batting a great deal.

I'd go with the same, and yeah I agree the batting does look weaker but it looks like the strongest bowling attack in the squad.

Btw I read this somewhere, interesting if it's true.

There are reports that Imad's role is to rough up one side of the ball for the fast bowlers to exploit.

When he bowls, he lands the ball on one side so the ball would skid, instead of landing it on the seam like most spinners do so it would turn. Landing it on a side of the ball keeps the seam intact and deteriorates one side of the ball. He's also the ball caretaker, so he's legally preparing the ball for his fast bowlers to reverse.
 
We are coming good at the right time. Having said that we are playing a team whose batting does not often succumb under pressure.
 
If it were upto me I'd play this line up:

Amir
Junaid
Hasan
Raees
Shadab


However, this weakens the batting a great deal.

Amir
Junaid
Hasan
Raees

Hafeez+Imad 10 overs

Indians are good players of spin, don't bowl Imad or Hafeez at the end like last time.
 
I'd go with the same, and yeah I agree the batting does look weaker but it looks like the strongest bowling attack in the squad.

Btw I read this somewhere, interesting if it's true.


I heard that about Imad too. For that reason alone would love to have him in the team haha
 
I would predict that Pakistan will look to bowl first if it wins the toss, and work to restrict India to a total within its reach. Batting first, and setting a score, has been a tough ask throughout the knockout phase of the tournament so far, and I don’t see that as Pakistan’s strength.

Exactly, alot of people are saying that we should bat first but they don't realize that our batting would be in immense pressure to post a big total, instead of bowling first.

If we do bowl first, it gives our bowling freedom to try different plans if their initial plan doesn't work rather than going in defensive mode straight away when bowling second.

Also even if India posts big total our batsman would have seen how the pitch has played and how to go about it, rather than finding feet in first innings.
 
South African Cricket seems to have suffered since the retirement of Graeme Smith. They haven't had an inspiring leader in his absence.

What i feel sad is that Smith said at the time he was retiring at the age of 33 back then when he could easily have carried on playing for another couple of years because he wanted to spend more time with his family, but everyone knows what happened later on.
 
Exactly, alot of people are saying that we should bat first but they don't realize that our batting would be in immense pressure to post a big total, instead of bowling first.

If we do bowl first, it gives our bowling freedom to try different plans if their initial plan doesn't work rather than going in defensive mode straight away when bowling second.

Also even if India posts big total our batsman would have seen how the pitch has played and how to go about it, rather than finding feet in first innings.

We can't be worried about winning losing the toss. We have to just enter the field with a positive frame of mind and believe we can win the match from any position. If they bowl first, no problem, if they bat first, no problem. If they get off to a good start, we need to strive for wickets knowing that if one wicket falls, 3-4 can fall in quick succession. This is the perfect stage for players to become heroes and revered for ages and generations to come.
 
We can't be worried about winning losing the toss. We have to just enter the field with a positive frame of mind and believe we can win the match from any position. If they bowl first, no problem, if they bat first, no problem. If they get off to a good start, we need to strive for wickets knowing that if one wicket falls, 3-4 can fall in quick succession. This is the perfect stage for players to become heroes and revered for ages and generations to come.

I cant see where i have said we are screwed if we lose the toss. My point as smith pointed is that we should chase IF we win the toss to MAXIMIZE our win chances in my opinion. Nothing negative here.
 
Only if we weren't playing with this pathetic cricket ball. New ball swing would give us the advantage.

indian bowlers wont swing the same ball? or Pakistani batsmen are better at handing swinging ball than indian batsmen.

come up with better excuse please.
 
If we actually beat India it would do wonders for our confidence, the WC 2019 and onwards, the players would know they can beat india, and that they've done it before in the biggest pressure match in recent memory. This is more than game for several reasons, and an opportune time to get rid of the mental block that has haunted the team for so long.

Pak has beaten India in CT before. We all know what it has done to its chances in WCs. I don't see a connection.

It's like rites of passage for the Pakistani cricketers to get beaten by India in WCs. It started with Imran / Miandad generation, then to Akram/Waqar/Inzi/Akhtar generation and now this one is already getting used to getting their share of hammering.

Have no worries -- sabka number aayega. Next generation of Pakistani kids won't be denied.

Mauka, mauka!
 
Pak has beaten India in CT before. We all know what it has done to its chances in WCs. I don't see a connection.

It's like rites of passage for the Pakistani cricketers to get beaten by India in WCs. It started with Imran / Miandad generation, then to Akram/Waqar/Inzi/Akhtar generation and now this one is already getting used to getting their share of hammering.

Have no worries -- sabka number aayega. Next generation of Pakistani kids won't be denied.

Mauka, mauka!

This is the kind of arrogance we require from Indian fans and team. Please continue.

:salute
 
Reading this makes me feel Smith wants us to win :14:

PSL contract as a commie for Smith plz :P
 
South African Cricket seems to have suffered since the retirement of Graeme Smith. They haven't had an inspiring leader in his absence.

What i feel sad is that Smith said at the time he was retiring at the age of 33 back then when he could easily have carried on playing for another couple of years because he wanted to spend more time with his family, but everyone knows what happened later on.

what happened later on????????????????
 
This is the kind of arrogance we require from Indian fans and team. Please continue.

:salute

Everything's falling in Place..... Including the banter here as well as on Twitter since yesterday :)) :))

The Stars have Aligned Man !! We've got this

:salute
 
Pak has beaten India in CT before. We all know what it has done to its chances in WCs. I don't see a connection.

It's like rites of passage for the Pakistani cricketers to get beaten by India in WCs. It started with Imran / Miandad generation, then to Akram/Waqar/Inzi/Akhtar generation and now this one is already getting used to getting their share of hammering.

Have no worries -- sabka number aayega. Next generation of Pakistani kids won't be denied.

Mauka, mauka!

I see it differently, champions trophy match in its own right, but beating India in the final to take the trophy is something else.
 
We should rest amir , dont want him break down after bowling 5 overs and pakistan paid for it dearly last time when he broke down at the end of the innings.

Go with the same team , replace shadab with fahim. Shadab brings no value against india
 
I see it differently, champions trophy match in its own right, but beating India in the final to take the trophy is something else.

Just because you see it differently doesn't make it different. The WC winning streak India enjoys isn't made up of only finals -- it includes all the matches. In fact it doesn't include even one final.
 
Just because you see it differently doesn't make it different. The WC winning streak India enjoys isn't made up of only finals -- it includes all the matches. In fact it doesn't include even one final.

Well it includes the T20 WC final in 07. But anyways, I think everyone acknowledges the streak and hold India has held pakistan over the years, I just think the boys would get a much needed confidence boost defeating India in the finals and taking their trophy. Your opinion is different, you're entitled to it.
 
I'd go with the same, and yeah I agree the batting does look weaker but it looks like the strongest bowling attack in the squad.

Btw I read this somewhere, interesting if it's true.

There are reports that Imad's role is to rough up one side of the ball for the fast bowlers to exploit.

"When he bowls, he lands the ball on one side so the ball would skid, instead of landing it on the seam like most spinners do so it would turn. Landing it on a side of the ball keeps the seam intact and deteriorates one side of the ball. He's also the ball caretaker, so he's legally preparing the ball for his fast bowlers to reverse."

If this is true, then he will be doing it to one ball unless he switches sides and bowls from both ends. There are two balls used in the game.
 
Just as England couldn't be contained for under 300 as well, right?

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Pak has beaten India in CT before. We all know what it has done to its chances in WCs. I don't see a connection.

It's like rites of passage for the Pakistani cricketers to get beaten by India in WCs. It started with Imran / Miandad generation, then to Akram/Waqar/Inzi/Akhtar generation and now this one is already getting used to getting their share of hammering.

Have no worries -- sabka number aayega. Next generation of Pakistani kids won't be denied.

Mauka, mauka!

You don't see a connection between the icc champions trophy and the World Cup? Well for starters they are both ICC events, both are ODI format and both require great skill to win.

Also if you don't understand this is a younger much more energetic Pakistan team so the experience of playing in pressure situations will be of great value and beating India will help improve confidence.

If you don't believe me look at the South Africa and SL game after winning them we played England with much more confidence. If you still want to live in a cloud and not wake up to reality then by all means. It's up to you. But please do not bring up the past, as they say learn from yesterday, live for today and hope for tomorrow. This pakistan team which just stopped the rampant England Team will show India what's good!
 
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