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Pakistan has gotten very close in their last two T20I in beating India, can they finally beat them?

Does Pakistan anyone named Rashid? He loves the Rashids

Abhishek sharma in T20s

vs Rashid khan 36 ball 82 runs T20s (mostly IPL)
vs Adil Rashid 25 balls 62 runs

These mystery spinners were also taken apart by him

vs Suyash 21 balls 37 runs
vs Varun 14 balls 28 runs
 
Does Pakistan anyone named Rashid? He loves the Rashids

Abhishek sharma in T20s

vs Rashid khan 36 ball 82 runs T20s (mostly IPL)
vs Adil Rashid 25 balls 62 runs

These mystery spinners were also taken apart by him

vs Suyash 21 balls 37 runs
vs Varun 14 balls 28 runs
You think its easy taking down sufiyan he had the better of abhishek in the emerging cup
 
Babar was the not culprit but Haris Rauf who gave 16 runs against 17th rank team in last over.

Babar played poorly on tat match but he was not the match ka mujrim .

And I'm not a fan of babar / Rizwan. Pakistan can play whoever they wants to Play but fact is Babar/ rizwan were the hero when Pakistan last time beat India in T20 cricket ( Twice - 2021 World T20, 2022 Asia Cup)

:kp
7 off 27 balls against USA on a pitch that wasn't New York is criminal. He didn't just play poorly, he was diabolical.

Babar and Rizwan have been poor recently, that's the problem. They have been given a longer rope based on what they did previously, but we are tired of losing to anyone and everyone and literally in the same way. T20 cricket has moved forward at a frightening pace, so we have to do something else.

I'm not saying the current team has world beaters, in fact they will continue to give 15/4 or 15/5 hits consistently the way they play. But a template needs to be set and if Babar or Rizwan don't buy into that and continue to be rigid in the way they play, they can't be part of the team.
 
You think its easy taking down sufiyan he had the better of abhishek in the emerging cup
You are comparing a random emreging cup with international matches. You are portraying sufiyan like Murali/Warne rolled into one lol Noor is way way better spinner than Sufiyan.
 
You are comparing a random emreging cup with international matches. You are portraying sufiyan like Murali/Warne rolled into one lol Noor is way way better spinner than Sufiyan.
Ok lets see but indians are not good against quality spin if pakistan play both sufiyan and abrar plus nawaz its going to be hard for india lets be honest here.
 
7 off 27 balls against USA on a pitch that wasn't New York is criminal. He didn't just play poorly, he was diabolical.

Babar and Rizwan have been poor recently, that's the problem. They have been given a longer rope based on what they did previously, but we are tired of losing to anyone and everyone and literally in the same way. T20 cricket has moved forward at a frightening pace, so we have to do something else.

I'm not saying the current team has world beaters, in fact they will continue to give 15/4 or 15/5 hits consistently the way they play. But a template needs to be set and if Babar or Rizwan don't buy into that and continue to be rigid in the way they play, they can't be part of the team.
But Salman Agha is not exactly a great T20 batsman. He at some points is going to be a burden for your team. You can't have specialist captain in T20s.
 
You are comparing a random emreging cup with international matches. You are portraying sufiyan like Murali/Warne rolled into one lol Noor is way way better spinner than Sufiyan.
And mike hesson said it too he knows indians are not great against spinners who spin it both ways.
 
But Salman Agha is not exactly a great T20 batsman. He at some points is going to be a burden for your team. You can't have specialist captain in T20s.
I don't see him lasting long in the T20 team either, but we don't have many options besides maybe Shaheen at the moment. Naqvi will never go back to Shaheen based on how he removed him from captaincy in humiliating fashion.
 
7 off 27 balls against USA on a pitch that wasn't New York is criminal. He didn't just play poorly, he was diabolical.

Babar and Rizwan have been poor recently, that's the problem. They have been given a longer rope based on what they did previously, but we are tired of losing to anyone and everyone and literally in the same way. T20 cricket has moved forward at a frightening pace, so we have to do something else.

I'm not saying the current team has world beaters, in fact they will continue to give 15/4 or 15/5 hits consistently the way they play. But a template needs to be set and if Babar or Rizwan don't buy into that and continue to be rigid in the way they play, they can't be part of the team.
Ok fair enough. Let's see how these intent merchent perform in Asia cup. Intent is not everything in cricket without the result. You need the result along with intent like current Indian team.

:kp
 
During the 2021-22 phase , Pakistan were genuinely a better T20 side than India thanks to our garbage player selection (KL, Hooda, Avesh, DK 🤢) and an outdated approach with the bat.

In 2024 , India did get a lot better but that God awful NY pitch narrowed the gap between the two sides considerably (even Bangladesh almost beat South Africa at that venue) . Had the same teams met on on a flat deck like Dallas, India would have probably won comfortably.
 
Ok fair enough. Let's see how these intent merchent perform in Asia cup. Intent is not everything in cricket without the result. You need the result along with intent like current Indian team.

:kp
Well this is the best we can do, given our lack of resources. Babar and Rizwan's output can be matched by both Sahibzada Farhan and Saim Ayub, both have decent performances recently and they can play at a better pace in comparison.
 
Sufiyan didn't even play the Bangladesh series
Never mind . South Asian game where he got butchered. Anyway it will be interesting what sort of pitch will be rolled out. If it is not a turning wicket he will be up against guys like Samson, Abhishek, TIlak Varma, SKY, Axar. I am not sure if they will play Shreyas in place of Rinku. He is another spin killer.
 
During the 2021-22 phase , Pakistan were genuinely a better T20 side than India thanks to our garbage player selection (KL, Hooda, Avesh, DK 🤢) and an outdated approach with the bat.

In 2024 , India did get a lot better but that God awful NY pitch narrowed the gap between the two sides considerably (even Bangladesh almost beat South Africa at that venue) . Had the same teams met on on a flat deck like Dallas, India would have probably won comfortably.
We still had guys like Rohit, KOhli. and also T20 misfit Pant.
 
During the 2021-22 phase , Pakistan were genuinely a better T20 side than India thanks to our garbage player selection (KL, Hooda, Avesh, DK 🤢) and an outdated approach with the bat.

In 2024 , India did get a lot better but that God awful NY pitch narrowed the gap between the two sides considerably (even Bangladesh almost beat South Africa at that venue) . Had the same teams met on on a flat deck like Dallas, India would have probably won comfortably.
Thats the best indian post on this thread great one bro admitting pakistan was better during that phase but don't you think uae pitches will suit pakistan?
 
It's a T20 , any team can win. If it's a flat track and there is no dew, India will start as heavy favourites. If it's tricky track, it can be anyone's game. But UAE can also beat Pakistan on such pitches
 
Thats the best indian post on this thread great one bro admitting pakistan was better during that phase but don't you think uae pitches will suit pakistan?
UAE pitch will close the gap by bringing down par score. But if Pakistan bats first and collapses in a heap India can just walk the target. So toss is also important for Pakistan.
 
This is also under the assumption Pakistan will be uber comfortable against Kuldepe, Varun, Axar, Sundar (if he plays). Hardiks cutters. Varun is kind of a bowler who can pick 2 or 3 wickets in one over if you don't pick him.

Last 12 monthces he has played 12 matches 27 wickets. 11 of them bowled. Strike rate of 12.
 
We still had guys like Rohit, KOhli. and also T20 misfit Pant.

In 2024? Yeah but they had already learnt from the failures of the 2021-22 phase and had started playing with a better mindset. Rohit and Kohli were both much more aggressive in the PP.
 
I mean this indian tram in my mind is better than what pakistan faced them with rizwan and babar this indian team will take on Pakistan bowling and will look to smash pak bowlers but can pakistan hold their nerves and they have one thing to do is to play out bumrah who will be biggest threat plz discuss guys.

India strength is the way they attack from top to bottom and also depth

Sharma -bats and bowls left arm spin
Sky - cpt cool
Pandya - bats and bowls
Arshdeep-
Bum both are top t20 bowlers
Varun
Kuldeep - both are the best in their categories
Jaiswal / Sampson - v good 6 hitting ability
Axar
Sundar
Riyan parag
Dube

All are top class allrounders who can hit long .

S Ayer
T Verma
Gill
Rinku

V capable dexterous middle order and all are good catchers / fielders

Rana
Krishna
Shami

All 3 are fit and are good t20 bowlers .

Huge list of players like vipraj , k pandya , Jitesh , pant , reddy. They are injured or surplus . This competition is crazy .

Kohli not so important . Rohit not in t20 team is big loss but a sharma and y jaiswal are definitely v good players .
 
Even when he’s sitting out he can’t stay away from the limelight. As if the team needs his blessings.
He and Babar were criticised last time for remaining silent when Pakistan beat Bangladesh and the West Indies. It’s like they were not happy with the team progression because it was nailing their exile for good. This is just the manager (running the account) keeping him in the limelight to somehow salvage his franchise career.

Hesson mentioned Babar in the presser but no mention of Rizwan at all from his mouth. It’s clear he doesn’t see Rizwan in his T20 plans at all.
 
Zimbabwe has beaten India once recently on a tacky surface. If it is a road pitch you need prayers. It depends on surface and toss. Any team can be beaten. Afghanistan beat Australia in WT20 on a spin wicket and got blown away by Sa in the semis.
That was a completely second string side post the World Cup win.
 
You are forgetting @Rana favourite opener Sharjeel khan and best Pakistani limited over player Usman khan , clutch finisher Imad Wasim

These will be Rana excuses when Pakistan won't win the match against India.

:klopp :kp
You joke now, but you forget that Mohammad Nawaz will also be playing, you remember what happened in the last T20 Asia Cup game? :afridi
 
During the 2021-22 phase , Pakistan were genuinely a better T20 side than India thanks to our garbage player selection (KL, Hooda, Avesh, DK 🤢) and an outdated approach with the bat.

In 2024 , India did get a lot better but that God awful NY pitch narrowed the gap between the two sides considerably (even Bangladesh almost beat South Africa at that venue) . Had the same teams met on on a flat deck like Dallas, India would have probably won comfortably.
2022 Jadeja/Bumrah injuries also screwed balance with guys like Ashwin/Bhuviplaying. 2024 India won undefeated.
 
Shorter the format, higher the probability of an upset. Pakistan will always have an outside chance of beating any team in T20s.
 
Close is not enough... You gotta win then we can talk... Pakistan is not going to beat India here... PERIOD
 
During the 2021-22 phase , Pakistan were genuinely a better T20 side than India thanks to our garbage player selection (KL, Hooda, Avesh, DK 🤢) and an outdated approach with the bat.

In 2024 , India did get a lot better but that God awful NY pitch narrowed the gap between the two sides considerably (even Bangladesh almost beat South Africa at that venue) . Had the same teams met on on a flat deck like Dallas, India would have probably won comfortably.
Deepak Hooda was probably the worst T20 player to play for India. Also DInesh Karthik was supposedly our finisher. And Bhuvi was our strike bowler ! KL Rahul used to regularly play a maiden in the opening over - effectively leaving 19 overs to score runs

That was a time when IPL fell behind international standards and produced a bunch of duds. Thankfully there was course-correction after that 2021 World T20 in both IPL and Team India mindset

Agree on the 2nd point. That New York pitch was bad for batting early on and it was Pakistan's fault that they could not take advantage of batting 2nd when the pitch had gotten slightly better. Massive choke job
 
The bottom line is scorecards read India (W) and Pakistan (L). The delusion that Pakistan could've won any of the games which they had close losses in doesn't cut it. Pakistan lost because they played poorly and crumbled in match situations.

Was watching one interview of Afridi where he was sitting with Yuvraj on the panel and openly saying 2011 ka match hum jeet chukay thay. Woh toh jeet chukay thay, aap bhi maantay ho - while looking at Yuvraj. Poor guy had to nod somewhat but deep down he must've been thinking which clown I am sitting with.
 
The bottom line is scorecards read India (W) and Pakistan (L). The delusion that Pakistan could've won any of the games which they had close losses in doesn't cut it. Pakistan lost because they played poorly and crumbled in match situations.

Was watching one interview of Afridi where he was sitting with Yuvraj on the panel and openly saying 2011 ka match hum jeet chukay thay. Woh toh jeet chukay thay, aap bhi maantay ho - while looking at Yuvraj. Poor guy had to nod somewhat but deep down he must've been thinking which clown I am sitting with.
Lol Yuvraj must have done it out of politeness. He was the MoT that tournament and has won all 3 ICC tournaments lol.
 
India is stronger side on paper but match is always on ground.

If Pak can put up a 170+ score and the big seamers deliver they can put pressure on India.

India is a team full of explosive batters but they are not well tested in tournament play.

Usually over last decade India preferred to chase vs Pak but not sure if they will be that keen now without the Chasemaster.
 
The bottom line is scorecards read India (W) and Pakistan (L). The delusion that Pakistan could've won any of the games which they had close losses in doesn't cut it. Pakistan lost because they played poorly and crumbled in match situations.

Was watching one interview of Afridi where he was sitting with Yuvraj on the panel and openly saying 2011 ka match hum jeet chukay thay. Woh toh jeet chukay thay, aap bhi maantay ho - while looking at Yuvraj. Poor guy had to nod somewhat but deep down he must've been thinking which clown I am sitting with.
Funny thing is it wasn't even really close like say the 2022 Kohli match or the 2024 Bumrah one.

It veered between India advantage and even but at no point was Pakistan ever on top. And after Yuvraj's twin wickets, Pakistan were always playing catch up (and failing. One of U Akmal, Afridi or Razzaq needed to play a blinder and all failed.)
 
Pakistan Squad does not have match winners or anybody to rely on in batting/bowling. So India having an edge....
 
Funny thing is it wasn't even really close like say the 2022 Kohli match or the 2024 Bumrah one.

It veered between India advantage and even but at no point was Pakistan ever on top. And after Yuvraj's twin wickets, Pakistan were always playing catch up (and failing. One of U Akmal, Afridi or Razzaq needed to play a blinder and all failed.)
Tells you about our delusions though.

There's another one I saw recently about Babar saying a couple of years back if he can be No.1 ranked batsman without power hitting, then he does not need power hitting. What on earth is this attitude?
 
Ind’s weak link is their captain’s mental block agaisnt Pak.

Pak will have to capitalise on that. Get him out early and then expose his captaincy under pressure.
 
But can we stop playing pace bowlers why does pakistan behave like australia who always play lone spinner no matter what the conditions are why can't pakistan operate like asian team and play both sufiyan and abrar?
I second that

Better to play two spinners rather than Rauf, esp. when your current pacers are not that special. Rauf can easily go for 50-60 runs in his 4 overs.

However, Indian batsmen play spinners better than most teams.

Batting remains a big question mark. Ultimately, that will be the deciding factor.
 
Pakistan has decent batsmen
Saim
Fakhar
haris
agha
hassan nawaz
thats solid top 5 tbf

if khushdil or hussain can somehow contribute this team can reach 180 easily

bowling is good too
with abrar and
muqim wasim jr will be handy too so pak doesnt have bad side dont write them off
 
Shubman Gill’s inclusion raising questions, don’t know if it’s politics or internal disunity but together with SKY’s mental block against Pak, weaknesses have been spotted.


Can the fearless Agha-Hesson duo go for the kill? Make intention brother
 
Pakistan always has a mental block against India.

Indians too feel the pressure but too a lesser extent, however many times against Pakistan the game was tense and Kohli got them over the line.

Younger Indian side won't have the same pressure on them as previous sides have They don't remember Wasim Waqar Inzi Miandad days...Pakistan to them is something different.

India should hammer us. But as others have said anything can happen on the day
Inzi??
 
Pakistan has decent batsmen
Saim
Fakhar
haris
agha
hassan nawaz
thats solid top 5 tbf

if khushdil or hussain can somehow contribute this team can reach 180 easily

bowling is good too
with abrar and
muqim wasim jr will be handy too so pak doesnt have bad side dont write them off
Theses tullebaaz will face - Bumrah, Arshdeep , Kuldeep, Varun, Hardik and Axar not any medicore PSL bowler's.

Forget about 180 ,150+ ban jaye wo bhut hai.

:klopp :kp
 
He has a mental block against Pak though.
Mental block is always thrown out casually.. it could just be a skill issue or Pakistsni bowlers have exposed a chink in his armor.... Very few individual players have mental block.. there is performance pressure and it's more for Indian players but not against a particular opposition.
 
Pakistan has decent batsmen
Saim
Fakhar
haris
agha
hassan nawaz
thats solid top 5 tbf

if khushdil or hussain can somehow contribute this team can reach 180 easily

bowling is good too
with abrar and
muqim wasim jr will be handy too so pak doesnt have bad side dont write them off
wonder why they are ranked world no.8 in icc ranking.

Last 12 months batting comparison between India and pakistan. India has hit more sixes than Pakistan in 13 less games.

Pakistan 19 average @128
India 28 average@163



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Even though anything can happen in a T20 game, it is highly unlikely that Pakistan will beat India.
Pakistan team on paper looks very weak. Bowling is good. Batting looks very suspicious. I know Rizwan and Babar are poor T20 players, but at least they have the talent to put Indian bowling under pressure. Pak batting is what will let them down again.
 
Mental block is always thrown out casually.. it could just be a skill issue or Pakistsni bowlers have exposed a chink in his armor.... Very few individual players have mental block.. there is performance pressure and it's more for Indian players but not against a particular opposition.
Pakistan has some kind of mental block against India. Kohli always owned Pakistan. This time India will be without Kohli and Rohit. That can lift Pak spirits. But their replacements are very dangerous and aggressive.
80-20 chance of India winning this.
 
aside from bumrah all of these are average bowlers dont hype them
Yeah. Arshdeep, the highest wicket taker of the 24 WC and T20 player of the year is "mediocre".

He has achieved much more than Shaheen etc.

Kuldeep has won multiple ICC titles and Varun was killer in the CT.
 
Yeah. Arshdeep, the highest wicket taker of the 24 WC and T20 player of the year is "mediocre".

He has achieved much more than Shaheen etc.

Kuldeep has won multiple ICC titles and Varun was killer in the CT.
That CT marred by special treatment controversy doesn’t count for that much.
 
Does Pakistan anyone named Rashid? He loves the Rashids

Abhishek sharma in T20s

vs Rashid khan 36 ball 82 runs T20s (mostly IPL)
vs Adil Rashid 25 balls 62 runs

These mystery spinners were also taken apart by him

vs Suyash 21 balls 37 runs
vs Varun 14 balls 28 runs
I am guessing these games were mostly played in India. UAE is different. Pakistani spinners (Abrar, Nawaz and Shadab) have troubled Indians in UAE.
 
Both teams are backing younger players this time so it will be first Pak vs Ind game for a lot of them. I think Pakistani batting will surprise Indians. India also has some dangerous batsmen but they too will be nervous. Our fast bowlers role will be crucial as they are our weakest link.

I saw a dream few weeks back where we lost badly against India so there is that.
 
Maybe by salty Paksitani fans who were first kicked out of the tournament and then had the tournament kicked out of Paksitan by India lol.

Salty Pakistan fans yes but also the broader cricketing world called out Ind for that special treatment. Almost all captains spoke about it.

There is no shine on that trophy.
 
That CT marred by special treatment controversy doesn’t count for that much.
Let's see.

1983 ODI WC - Doesn't count for much since the West Indies toured India after that and beat the hosts in both the Test and ODI series.

2007 T20 WC - Doesn't count for much since Mibah gifted India the tournament. It was Pakistan who lost rather than India winning it.

2011 ODI WC - Orchestrated for Sachin Tendulkar, right? Oh, who can forget Tendulkar's LBW reversal by DRS.

2013 Champions Trophy - Doesn't count for much since the finals was reduced to a 20-20 over match.

2024 T20 WC - Any excuses? Wait, Suryakumar Yadav's catch, right?

2024 Champions Trophy - As you already explained.​

🐒 🐒 :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: 🤡 🤡
 
I am guessing these games were mostly played in India. UAE is different. Pakistani spinners (Abrar, Nawaz and Shadab) have troubled Indians in UAE.
That is not the INdia playing here. THis is why Gill playing here is a travesty. Weakest player against spin.
 
I don't see pakistan winning against INdia here... things are not in favor of Pakistan atm...
 
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