Pakistan has gotten very close in their last two T20I in beating India, can they finally beat them?

[Sachin fan]

Pak’s been doing poorly but Ind’s been acting like a bully and losing respect of global fans. No one takes that CT 24 win seriously. That was given to Ind in a plate.

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no shine on that trophy.

I don't think bitter opponents crying and claiming something puts a damper on anything.

You have forgotten how much pakistani fans cried and cried after india won the world cup 2011 trophy and called it fixed and every name, including on this forum, while Indian fans never did it after CT 2017.

Not only Indians but entire world is used to Pakistani fans crying and coming up with conspiracy theories everytime india wins.

There is plenty of shine on those trophies from all your tears.

 

[saimayubera]

Pak’s been doing poorly but Ind’s been acting like a bully and losing respect of global fans. No one takes that CT 24 win seriously. That was given to Ind in a plate.

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no shine on that trophy.

Indian fans are the bulk of global fans. Everyone takes that CT win seriously except maybe salty Pakistanis.

 

[saimayubera]

Let's see.

1983 ODI WC - Doesn't count for much since the West Indies toured India after that and beat the hosts in both the Test and ODI series.

2007 T20 WC - Doesn't count for much since Mibah gifted India the tournament. It was Pakistan who lost rather than India winning it.

2011 ODI WC - Orchestrated for Sachin Tendulkar, right? Oh, who can forget Tendulkar's LBW reversal by DRS.

2013 Champions Trophy - Doesn't count for much since the finals was reduced to a 20-20 over match.

2024 T20 WC - Any excuses? Wait, Suryakumar Yadav's catch, right?

2024 Champions Trophy - As you already explained.​

2002 - shared lol

 

[Obaidd]

I don't think bitter opponents crying and claiming something puts a damper on anything.

You have forgotten how much pakistani fans cried and cried after india won the world cup 2011 trophy and called it fixed and every name, including on this forum, while Indian fans never did it after CT 2017.

Not only Indians but entire world is used to Pakistani fans crying and coming up with conspiracy theories everytime india wins.

There is plenty of shine on those trophies from all your tears.

What could have Ind fans complained about the CT 17 win after losing the final against Pak.

Coming back to 2024, there was one team that knew where it would play all its matches. That’s blatant unequal treatment of teams. That does not happen anywhere in any sport. Unfair = cheating = no shine on that trophy.

An other consequence of that cheating is for years to come global cricket fraternity is going to remember this unfairness.
It’s a mess of BCCI’s creation but the careers of Ind’s superstars have been unnecessarily and irreparably tainted.

 

[Obaidd]

What could have Ind fans complained about the CT 17 win after losing the final against Pak.

Coming back to 2024, there was one team that knew where it would play all its matches. That’s blatant unequal treatment of teams. That does not happen anywhere in any sport. Unfair = cheating = no shine on that trophy.

An other consequence of that cheating is for years to come global cricket fraternity is going to remember this unfairness.
It’s a mess of BCCI’s creation but the careers of Ind’s superstars have been unnecessarily and irreparably tainted.

Cricketing fraternity on Ind’s unfair advantage in CT 2024

Atherton and Hussain
"What about the advantage India have in playing only in Dubai -- which seems to me to be a hard-to-quantify advantage, but an undeniable advantage?" former England captain Michael Atherton asked Nasser Hussain on a Sky Sports podcast.

"They're playing at just one venue. Therefore, the selection, you know, can focus in on the conditions in Dubai."

Cummins
"a huge advantage playing on the same ground"

Agnew
"I feel very uncomfortable about the way that India is being treated at the moment,"

 

[saimayubera]

What could have Ind fans complained about the CT 17 win after losing the final against Pak.

Coming back to 2024, there was one team that knew where it would play all its matches. That’s blatant unequal treatment of teams. That does not happen anywhere in any sport. Unfair = cheating = no shine on that trophy.

An other consequence of that cheating is for years to come global cricket fraternity is going to remember this unfairness.
It’s a mess of BCCI’s creation but the careers of Ind’s superstars have been unnecessarily and irreparably tainted.

I mean in all the tournaments India have won, they have beaten Pakistan in most to win it (minus 83 and 02) and was also responsible for kicking them out in most (07, 11, 24, 25 India eliminated Pak by winning in a KO or defeating them in a must-win group game. 13 they were already out although India still won).

Pak fans still complain lol.

No one in "global cricketing fraternity" is going to "remember" this. It's just cope.

What the "global cricketing fraternity" remembers is the very real cheating by home umpires and ball tampering by the Pakistani players of the past which has tainted their legacies. Outside of Pakistan, no one talks about them now.

 

[saimayubera]

Cricketing fraternity on Ind’s unfair advantage in CT 2024

Atherton and Hussain
"What about the advantage India have in playing only in Dubai -- which seems to me to be a hard-to-quantify advantage, but an undeniable advantage?" former England captain Michael Atherton asked Nasser Hussain on a Sky Sports podcast.

"They're playing at just one venue. Therefore, the selection, you know, can focus in on the conditions in Dubai."

Cummins
"a huge advantage playing on the same ground"

Agnew
"I feel very uncomfortable about the way that India is being treated at the moment,"

India IS the cricketing fraternity.

These guys said all that at that time and have forgotten about it.

CT 2025 winners - India. End of.

I can bring out far more unsavory stuff said about Pakistani home umpiring and ball tampering.

 

[Vikram1989]

Coming back to 2024, there was one team that knew where it would play all its matches. That’s blatant unequal treatment of teams. That does not happen anywhere in any sport. Unfair = cheating = no shine on that trophy.

Pak played a tri series final against nz on Karachi just before ct match in karachi.Lost both times quite magnificently.pak, Nz, sa played in lahore, Karachi just before ct .Is it unfair on other teams?

 

[Obaidd]

India IS the cricketing fraternity.

I can’t argue with this mindset and it’s this attitude that has set off the implosion of cricket globally. Mud on the face awaits..

 

[Obaidd]

Pak played a tri series final against nz on Karachi just before ct match in karachi.Lost both times quite magnificently.pak, Nz, sa played in lahore, Karachi just before ct .Is it unfair on other teams?

Pak and other teams going to Dubai to play Ind is unfair.

Ind knowing where they would play SFs beforehand is unfair

One team playing all its matches at one venue is unfair

We all know about home advantage but Ind has introduced the most revenue advantage.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pak and other teams going to Dubai to play Ind is unfair.

Ind knowing where they would play SFs beforehand is unfair

One team playing all its matches at one venue is unfair

We all know about home advantage but Ind has introduced the most revenue advantage.

Cricket has become rigged.

Despite all the riggings, India still can't win many ICC trophies and can't win series in SENA countries.

 

[Vikram1989]

Pak and other teams going to Dubai to play Ind is unfair.

Ind knowing where they would play SFs beforehand is unfair

One team playing all its matches at one venue is unfair

We all know about home advantage but Ind has introduced the most revenue advantage.

3 teams playing at the same ground right before the tournament is unfair.Scheduling final against the same opponent on the same ground is scheming and unfair.

 

[Obaidd]

Cricket has become rigged.

Despite all the riggings, India still can't win many ICC trophies and can't win series in SENA countries.

I am in no mood to let them count CT 25 as a win because of that blatant rigging. Nobody’s forgetting how they made it happen to give that sendoff to rohit.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am in no mood to let them count CT 25 as a win because of that blatant rigging. Nobody’s forgetting how they made it happen to give that sendoff to rohit.

I also do not count CT 2025 as an ICC event.

It was more like a rigged Indian domestic event. It felt like a scripted WWE show.

 

[jnaveen1980]

No one’s putting into question 1983, 2007 and 2013. In fact 2013 is one of my fav performances by a team (my then fav trio of sharma, dhawan and kohli). That was absolute masterclass.

2011 yes is tainted because of the DRS controversy and also because Pak the co host weren’t playing their matches in Pak so yeah some unfairness but nowhere near as bad as 2024 CT.

2024 CT: Conditions and scheduling play key roles in determining outcome of match and India had more than special treatment going on. All matches in 1 stadium with teams flying in to play them. That wasn’t fair.

Which is why I say there is no shine on that trophy.

That was not to benefit Indian team. That was to benefit ICC. If you dig deep all the way to 1975 you probably will find some team having better schedule than other. For instance in 2023 India was the only team to travel to 10 different cities to play 10 different matches. They obliterated 10 different teams. These are lame excuses.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am in no mood to let them count CT 25 as a win because of that blatant rigging. Nobody’s forgetting how they made it happen to give that sendoff to rohit.

When you don't know how to dance you blame the stage lol England played at the same venue both the matches. Did not travel to Dubai yet got canned. It is mind bogglingly stupid to suggest it was to benefit Indian cricket team rather than India's political stance.

 

[Devadwal]

I also do not count CT 2025 as an ICC event.

It was more like a rigged Indian domestic event. It felt like a scripted WWE show.

You count or not it's doens't matter to others.

Who care about a delusional Minnows team supporters who always crying whenever india won .

 

[nish_mate]

I guess in Bangla land Indias series win down under dont count right......

 

[Obaidd]

You count or not it's doens't matter to others.

Who care about a delusional Minnows team supporters who always crying whenever india won .

lol Indian fans will find out soon, nobody outside India counts it. Retrospectively it should be rescinded.

 

[nish_mate]

CT 2025 was hosted by whom??

 

[nish_mate]

lol Indian fans will find out soon, nobody outside India counts it. Retrospectively it should be rescinded.

sorry mate any links to this quantitative statement? any statements from the boards of the ICC full members that they dont count their team's participation in CT25 as a non ICC event? And is PCB then rescinding it's share of the revenues from the event, given it was a non event?

 

[Obaidd]

When you don't know how to dance you blame the stage lol England played at the same venue both the matches. Did not travel to Dubai yet got canned. It is mind bogglingly stupid to suggest it was to benefit Indian cricket team rather than India's political stance.

Ind didn’t need to do that drama to win CT, the schedule got affected by the ‘political stance’ (my least fav thing about Indian cricket: everything is political) BUT Ind did get that advantage and not just Pak fans but there was a global outcry over it.

 

[Sachin fan]

I also do not count CT 2025 as an ICC event.

It was more like a rigged Indian domestic event. It felt like a scripted WWE show.

Here comes the loser whining about india again after blocking all Indians from replying like the coward he is.

 

[Sachin fan]

What could have Ind fans complained about the CT 17 win after losing the final against Pak.

Coming back to 2024, there was one team that knew where it would play all its matches. That’s blatant unequal treatment of teams. That does not happen anywhere in any sport. Unfair = cheating = no shine on that trophy.

An other consequence of that cheating is for years to come global cricket fraternity is going to remember this unfairness.
It’s a mess of BCCI’s creation but the careers of Ind’s superstars have been unnecessarily and irreparably tainted.

Indian fans could have made loser conspiracy theories after 2017 like you guys but not our style

We have traveled most in many tournaments like world cup 2023 and others but didn't cry like a baby after losing.

And again nope, some pakistani fans crying like toddlers doesn't affect anyone's legacy, it just makes those fans sore losers

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ind didn’t need to do that drama to win CT, the schedule got affected by the ‘political stance’ (my least fav thing about Indian cricket: everything is political) BUT Ind did get that advantage and not just Pak fans but there was a global outcry over it.

Advantage of having a hostile neighboring nation? seriously?Nobody gives a damn about what "global" ( 2 or 3 guys in a forum ) thinks. Only team that didn't give an excuse was NZ. They reached the final. Excuse excuse excuses just admit "we suck let us find a reason to blame the winners"

 

[jnaveen1980]

Here comes the loser whining about india again after blocking all Indians from replying like the coward he is.

Bangla fans are bigger whiners than English fans lol They always blame someone or something for their inability to win the world cup. Excuse merchants.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Three page thread on whether we can beat India in a damn T20 match. Sums up where our cricket is at, and has been for a very long time.

 

[saimayubera]

I can’t argue with this mindset and it’s this attitude that has set off the implosion of cricket globally. Mud on the face awaits..

Lol what awaits is even more power consolidation of India.

IPL started in 2008. In less than 20 years almost all the big leagues are owned by IPL franchises. BBL is already contemplating private ownership. They will cave in in the next few years.

 

[saimayubera]

lol Indian fans will find out soon, nobody outside India counts it. Retrospectively it should be rescinded.

Indian fans are the MAJORITY of worldwide cricket fans. Outside India doesn't really matter.

 

[saimayubera]

Cricket has become rigged.

Despite all the riggings, India still can't win many ICC trophies and can't win series in SENA countries.

India has won as many ICC trophies in 8 months that Pakistan has in the last 33 years and Bangladesh ever.

 

[Obaidd]

What could have Ind fans complained about the CT 17 win after losing the final against Pak.

Coming back to 2024, there was one team that knew where it would play all its matches. That’s blatant unequal treatment of teams. That does not happen anywhere in any sport. Unfair = cheating = no shine on that trophy.

An other consequence of that cheating is for years to come global cricket fraternity is going to remember this unfairness.
It’s a mess of BCCI’s creation but the careers of Ind’s superstars have been unnecessarily and irreparably tainted.

I kept calling it CT 24 lol. Just goes on to show how forgettable that tournament was and how no one gives Ind any credit for that trophy. No shine.

 

[Obaidd]

Nobody gives a damn about what "global" ( 2 or 3 guys in a forum ) thinks.

This is scary, if this is the mindset that prevails that side of the border then I am afraid cricket is doomed.

Quieting down voices of reason and sanity is madness.

The thing about truth is that it ‘shines’. One true word is enough to counter thousand lies.

 

[saimayubera]

I kept calling it CT 24 lol. Just goes on to show how forgettable that tournament was and how no one gives Ind any credit for that trophy. No shine.

Forgettable to YOU.

And why not with the triple humiliation:

1. India kicked Paksitan out of the tournament
2. India kicked the tournament out of Pakistan
3. India won

 

[Obaidd]

India has won as many ICC trophies in 8 months that Pakistan has in the last 33 years and Bangladesh ever.

Folks around the world and right so have their reservations on the CT25 win

 

[Obaidd]

Indian fans are the MAJORITY of worldwide cricket fans. Outside India doesn't really matter.

Let me quote my favourite line from Winston Smith in 1984:

‘Being in a minority, even a minority of one, did not make you mad. There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.‘

 

[saimayubera]

Folks around the world and right so have their reservations on the CT25 win

Only Pakistanis

 

[Obaidd]

Only Pakistanis

Are you calling M Shami a Pakistani?

Mohammed Shami: "It has definitely helped us. Knowing the conditions and pitch behavior is a plus point when playing at a single venue."

 

[saimayubera]

Are you calling M Shami a Pakistani?

Mohammed Shami: "It has definitely helped us. Knowing the conditions and pitch behavior is a plus point when playing at a single venue."

That is not what you have been crying about.

I mean Pakistan were playing their matches on grounds they had their whole life but still finished bottom of the group, behind Bangladesh.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is scary, if this is the mindset that prevails that side of the border then I am afraid cricket is doomed.

Quieting down voices of reason and sanity is madness.

The thing about truth is that it ‘shines’. One true word is enough to counter thousand lies.

Cricket is alive and kicking in all the major countries. People don't really have to care about excuse merchants.

 

[saimayubera]

Cricket is alive and kicking in all the major countries. People don't really have to care about excuse merchants.

In fact newer countries are coming up.

Of course Pakistanis would be scared. They won't be able to compete and like in hockey might not even be playing at the highest levels.

UAE/USA have better quality T20 leagues and are also richer first world countries. Better local players due to increased investment plus ability to attract imports (including Pakistanis) might mean they become solid lower level teams hindering Pakistan.

As more and more teams are coming up Pakistan cricket team is declining further. SL from the mid 90s. Bang from the mid 2010s. Afg now. All have proven heavy on Pak (plus your Ireland/USA etc as well) kicking them out of ICC tournaments/Asia Cup.

 

[Obaidd]

That is not what you have been crying about.

I mean Pakistan were playing their matches on grounds they had their whole life but still finished bottom of the group, behind Bangladesh.

Haha look when I and other sane voices in global cricketing fraternity say Ind had an unfair advantage you say: pakistanis are jealous, we make most dollars, we have most eyeballs etc.

It’s not helpful. As I said truth shines.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Haha look when I and other sane voices in global cricketing fraternity say Ind had an unfair advantage you say: pakistanis are jealous, we make most dollars, we have most eyeballs etc.

It’s not helpful. As I said truth shines.

Apart from you nobody is joining you. Not even Pakistan fans. You are frantically bumping dead threads for no apparent reason. An entire 5 test series finished 10 days back since then.Pakistan managed to lose a T20 series in Bangladesh during this period. Most are talking about tri seriers.

 

[Obaidd]

Cricket is alive and kicking in all the major countries. People don't really have to care about excuse merchants.

‘most eyeballs’ have held the game hostage

 

[Obaidd]

Apart from you nobody is joining you. Not even Pakistan fans. You are frantically bumping dead threads for no apparent reason. An entire 5 test series finished 10 days back since then.Pakistan managed to lose a T20 series in Bangladesh during this period. Most are talking about tri seriers.

Ten people don’t have to say the same thing for truth to become the truth.

This topic’s already been discussed, I am late to the discussion.

But if a crime is done back in the past, then no punishment?

 

[jnaveen1980]

‘most eyeballs’ have held the game hostage

There is a saying

Winners focus on winning
Losers focus on winners.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ten people don’t have to say the same thing for truth to become the truth.

This topic’s already been discussed, I am late to the discussion.

But if a crime is done back in the past, then no punishment?

Making a false complaint is a crime. Do it over and over is a bigger crime.

 

[kron]

Pak’s been doing poorly but Ind’s been acting like a bully and losing respect of global fans. No one takes that CT 24 win seriously. That was given to Ind in a plate.

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no shine on that trophy.

cT24 was won undefeated

Ct only became relevant cause of pak 2017 win

No one cares for champions trophy

That title is just to silence @sweep_shot

 

[kron]

There is a saying

Winners focus on winning
Losers focus on winners.

Pak objective - to beat India

They lose in war and in icc World Cup events pretty much every time

India- want to win trophies

@sweep_shot

 

[CadPakFan]

Do you remembered what happened in the last over of 2022 World T20

Yes of course I remember, Nawaz bowled a pretty bad final over, but despite that India barely scraped through by Kohli miraculously running three after getting bowled on a free hit (Insanely lucky and unheard of), very lucky but if the bowl hit another inch or two to the right and it didnt rebound at that angle, it would've been a very different result.

 

[Hitman]

There is a saying

Winners focus on winning
Losers focus on winners.

When you fail to win miserably, try to pull down the one who actually wins it.

 

[Sachin fan]

Haha look when I and other sane voices in global cricketing fraternity say

Hearing voices is never a good sign, but it does explain the persecution complex and paranoia.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Getting close means nothing. Simple.

Either you win or you lose. Getting close means nothing at all.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Getting close means nothing. Simple.

Either you win or you lose. Getting close means nothing at all.

It’s a moral victory.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Yes of course I remember, Nawaz bowled a pretty bad final over, but despite that India barely scraped through by Kohli miraculously running three after getting bowled on a free hit (Insanely lucky and unheard of), very lucky but if the bowl hit another inch or two to the right and it didnt rebound at that angle, it would've been a very different result.

India won the game.

Pakistan won the “what if the ball didn’t rebound at that angle” game. Congrats.

 

[Obaidd]

When you fail to win miserably, try to pull down the one who actually wins it.

Ind played all their matches at a single venue, also knew where there SF would be. Questions will be raised. I quoted even M Shami admitting that.

 

[Obaidd]

There is a saying

Winners focus on winning
Losers focus on winners.

My observations are more from a global cricketing lens. This is so not about pak vs Ind for me.

I am standing up for WI, SA, SL everybody.

 

[CadPakFan]

India won the game.

Pakistan won the “what if the ball didn’t rebound at that angle” game. Congrats.

Yes India won that game, but don't pretend like no one has ever played the what if game before.
Same way Pak won the CT17 final but India won won the "what if Bumrah didn't overstep the line" game. Just highlighting how critical and unexpected moments turn the momentum around in these games significantly and it's not just 'X was dominating so X won'.

 

[Mesozoic]

India won the game.

Pakistan won the “what if the ball didn’t rebound at that angle” game. Congrats.

Massive victory bhai jaan!

Has Shahid Afridi taken out a "victory" rally in Karachi yet ?

 

[Devadwal]

Why cheater Smith is being disscus in this thread.

 

[saimayubera]

Yes India won that game, but don't pretend like no one has ever played the what if game before.
Same way Pak won the CT17 final but India won won the "what if Bumrah didn't overstep the line" game. Just highlighting how critical and unexpected moments turn the momentum around in these games significantly and it's not just 'X was dominating so X won'.

Indian fans don't do that cause the CT isn't even that important to India anyway. India has the most CTs in history out of any team, two of them won unbeaten.

They won the last one w/o dropping a game and kicked Paksitan out of both the tournament and hosting.

You will never find Indians crying about that CT17 game like Paksitanis are crying about these T20s.

 

[Obaidd]

Indian fans don't do that cause the CT isn't even that important to India anyway. India has the most CTs in history out of any team, two of them won unbeaten.

They won the last one w/o dropping a game and kicked Paksitan out of both the tournament and hosting.

You will never find Indians crying about that CT17 game like Paksitanis are crying about these T20s.

Pak made CT relevant again in 2017 but this is not about ind vs pak.

I am raising the flag for fairness in cricket.

Number of legitimate ICC tournaments where winning team played all its matches at a single venue = 0

 

[cricfan432]

I think pak got real chance, tri series will help them get used to pitches and find out which batsmen should be unleashed against spin and which against pace.

 

[saimayubera]

Pak made CT relevant again in 2017 but this is not about ind vs pak.

I am raising the flag for fairness in cricket.

Number of legitimate ICC tournaments where winning team played all its matches at a single venue = 0

Pak didn't make CT "relevant". They just went overboard celebrating it cause they had won nothing for years. India won in both 2013 and 2025 without dropping a match (and defeating Pak both times) and didn't even care much.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Three page thread on whether we can beat India in a damn T20 match. Sums up where our cricket is at, and has been for a very long time.

Avoiding all the other back and forth noise in this thread and responding to your very pertinent point. This is exactly it.

I’m tired of how our fans and the media fixate on our cricket relative to India. Frankly, I couldn’t give a monkeys about the India game in itself, however I do care about Pakistan winning as I would any other game.

Our terrible terrible pundits make this giant hoohah about the India game as if it’s the be-all and end-all, when it’s not and never will be.

For once I’d like the board, the captain and the coaching staff to fully treat this as just another game. I’d like to see our players play the game with something achieving a sense of freedom, rather than the tightly wound marionettes we see everytime.

Then inshallah , we might actually see Pakistan win.

And it won’t be a big deal.

And we’ll hopefully see the last of these type of threads.

PS - Is there currently a talent differential between the sides? Absolutely. However, being greater than the sum of your parts, having luck and performing with freedom on the day is what matters.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Avoiding all the other back and forth noise in this thread and responding to your very pertinent point. This is exactly it.

I’m tired of how our fans and the media fixate on our cricket relative to India. Frankly, I couldn’t give a monkeys about the India game in itself, however I do care about Pakistan winning as I would any other game.

Our terrible terrible pundits make this giant hoohah about the India game as if it’s the be-all and end-all, when it’s not and never will be.

For once I’d like the board, the captain and the coaching staff to fully treat this as just another game. I’d like to see our players play the game with something achieving a sense of freedom, rather than the tightly wound marionettes we see everytime.

Then inshallah , we might actually see Pakistan win.

And it won’t be a big deal.

And we’ll hopefully see the last of these type of threads.

PS - Is there currently a talent differential between the sides? Absolutely. However, being greater than the sum of your parts, having luck and performing with freedom on the day is what matters.

If they win then great. But just generally speaking, this match is not worth the hype it is accorded by everyone from both sides of the border. I guess Indians can still take alot of joy and enjoyment out of their team thrashing Pakistan every time, but I fail to understand why Pakistanis (and serious cricket fans no less) continue to fixate on this match and attach unrealistic expectations to it, especially considering how one-sided this rivalry has become in recent years.

PS - Is there currently a talent differential between the sides? Absolutely. However, being greater than the sum of your parts, having luck and performing with freedom on the day is what matters.

I feel like Pakistani fans are always counting on their team having a 'good day', but the simple reality is that when a stronger team is playing comparatively weaker team the law of averages dictates that more often than not, the stronger team will have a better day. And when you consider how less Pakistan and India play each other, this difference becomes even more magnified. It's very likely for India to have a better day every time these teams play in a given year. Which is exactly what has been happening for the last 2 years now.

Until Pakistan become a good cricket team their rivalry with India will continue being lopsided, regardless of the format. Personally, I don't think Pakistan are ready to do what needs to be done to become a good cricket team. And it's not really as simple as dropping so and so player, replacing coaches/chief-selectors etc. etc. which are just cosmetic changes.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

If they win then great. But just generally speaking, this match is not worth the hype it is accorded by everyone from both sides of the border. I guess Indians can still take alot of joy and enjoyment out of their team thrashing Pakistan every time, but I fail to understand why Pakistanis (and serious cricket fans no less) continue to fixate on this match and attach unrealistic expectations to it, especially considering how one-sided this rivalry has become in recent years.



I feel like Pakistani fans are always counting on their team having a 'good day', but the simple reality is that when a stronger team is playing comparatively weaker team the law of averages dictates that more often than not, the stronger team will have a better day. And when you consider how less Pakistan and India play each other, this difference becomes even more magnified. It's very likely for India to have a better day every time these teams play in a given year. Which is exactly what has been happening for the last 2 years now.

Until Pakistan become a good cricket team their rivalry with India will continue being lopsided, regardless of the format. Personally, I don't think Pakistan are ready to do what needs to be done to become a good cricket team. And it's not really as simple as dropping so and so player, replacing coaches/chief-selectors etc. etc. which are just cosmetic changes.

Why not i am really happy the way young players are coming tell me which team has spinners like sufiyan abrar and faisal akram waiting for their chance you get batsmen like sahabzada farhan doing hard yards in domestic and hassan nawaz coming through the system there is alot of reason to be happy about pakistan will get back to their old way how they used to be so good at.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If they win then great. But just generally speaking, this match is not worth the hype it is accorded by everyone from both sides of the border. I guess Indians can still take alot of joy and enjoyment out of their team thrashing Pakistan every time, but I fail to understand why Pakistanis (and serious cricket fans no less) continue to fixate on this match and attach unrealistic expectations to it, especially considering how one-sided this rivalry has become in recent years.



I feel like Pakistani fans are always counting on their team having a 'good day', but the simple reality is that when a stronger team is playing comparatively weaker team the law of averages dictates that more often than not, the stronger team will have a better day. And when you consider how less Pakistan and India play each other, this difference becomes even more magnified. It's very likely for India to have a better day every time these teams play in a given year. Which is exactly what has been happening for the last 2 years now.

Until Pakistan become a good cricket team their rivalry with India will continue being lopsided, regardless of the format. Personally, I don't think Pakistan are ready to do what needs to be done to become a good cricket team. And it's not really as simple as dropping so and so player, replacing coaches/chief-selectors etc. etc. which are just cosmetic changes.

Pakistan focus should still be on developing a good test team. T20 is a rapidly evolving global sport. Associate sides are getting better every year. Scottland, Netherlands, UAE batsmen are ranked above many pakistani batsmen.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why not i am really happy the way young players are coming tell me which team has spinners like sufiyan abrar and faisal akram waiting for their chance you get batsmen like sahabzada farhan doing hard yards in domestic and hassan nawaz coming through the system there is alot of reason to be happy about pakistan will get back to their old way how they used to be so good at.

India have Varun, Kuldeep and Axar. Afghanistan have Rashid, Nabi, Noor and Mujeeb. Sri Lanka have Hasaranga and Theekshana. Australia have Zampa. England have Adil Rashid. New Zealand have Santner. All of these spinners are better than Abrar and Sufiyan.

No amount of talent can make up for a system that is incapable of turning it into a finished product. Not too long ago, Babar, Shaheen, Naseem, Shadab, Hasan Ali were also seen as really talented players that were supposed to be the future of this team, what happened to them?

We keep patching up the cracks but never fixing the foundation. As a result, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Pakistan focus should still be on developing a good test team. T20 is a rapidly evolving global sport. Associate sides are getting better every year. Scottland, Netherlands, UAE batsmen are ranked above many pakistani batsmen.

Good cricketing nations do well in all formats. When the system is strong and capable of producing complete cricketers, that strength carries over into every version of the game. But yes, test cricket and a strong first-class system is at the foundation of that. You also need to put some money into your cricket and develop an organized and structured grassroots system that leads players to domestic cricket from school/university/club levels, and set high standards for fitness, performance, coaching at all levels. Pakistani cricket administrators do not understand this though, and I don't expect them to anytime soon.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

India have Varun, Kuldeep and Axar. Afghanistan have Rashid, Nabi, Noor and Mujeeb. Sri Lanka have Hasaranga and Theekshana. Australia have Zampa. England have Adil Rashid. New Zealand have Santner. All of these spinners are better than Abrar and Sufiyan.

No amount of talent can make up for a system that is incapable of turning it into a finished product. Not too long ago, Babar, Shaheen, Naseem, Shadab, Hasan Ali were also seen as really talented players that were supposed to be the future of this team, what happened to them?

We keep patching up the cracks but never fixing the foundation. As a result, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Bro the spinners you named have been playing for long time abrar sufiyan just came now and i am pretty sure these guys will be deadly duo in asian conditions and they both are really good i am sure if you keep playing them better pakistan would be.

 

[Obaidd]

Pak didn't make CT "relevant". They just went overboard celebrating it cause they had won nothing for years. India won in both 2013 and 2025 without dropping a match (and defeating Pak both times) and didn't even care much.

Consider how the world celebrated the 2013 win with India. Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli became favourites across the globe.

2025 has a complete different vibe to it. The shine is missing.

As I said, number of teams to legitimately win icc tournaments playing all their matches at a single venue = 0

 

[saimayubera]

Bro the spinners you named have been playing for long time abrar sufiyan just came now and i am pretty sure these guys will be deadly duo in asian conditions and they both are really good i am sure if you keep playing them better pakistan would be.

Paksitan players have a couple of good years before regressing so they can't really "play for a long time".

 

[prash88]

Ya this indian team will blow you away if it's a road pitch but if dubai has bit of spin pakistan with sufiyan abrar and nawaz can be handful lets see bro what kind of pitch we get

Dubai in September ll be pace-friendly. Teams that played more spinners in Dubai lost all matches in 2020 IPL held during September...And pitches ll be fresh

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Indian players will be scared and tense to be in presence of Pakistan players for obvious reasons. It's understandable as well. Pakistan have the edge in this encounter.

 

[Sachin fan]

Indian players will be scared and tense to be in presence of Pakistan players for obvious reasons. It's understandable as well. Pakistan have the edge in this encounter.

Tides have changed, PCB is having wins after wins.

Asia cup, india is playing home game in UAE just to accommodate Pakistan and entire tournament is out of India.

India is playing it's home women world cup games against Pakistan in Sri Lanka.

All the so called power of BCCI couldn't do anything and are dancing to what PCB wants.

I am surprised that people here don't acknowledge what a great job current PCB have done and completely changed the power around.

And because of the way the wind is blowing, I won't be surprised if Pakistan defeats india as well. These things often have a domino effect.

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

Tides have changed, PCB is having wins after wins.

Asia cup, india is playing home game in UAE just to accommodate Pakistan and entire tournament is out of India.

India is playing it's home women world cup games against Pakistan in Sri Lanka.

All the so called power of BCCI couldn't do anything and are dancing to what PCB wants.

I am surprised that people here don't acknowledge what a great job current PCB have done and completely changed the power around.

And because of the way the wind is blowing, I won't be surprised if Pakistan defeats india as well. These things often have a domino effect.

I don't think so.

This will only be till 2027 or so. India have CT and WC after that. Pakistan don't have anything.

Pak women are too weak to qualify for KOs so semis/final will be in India.

Asia Cup India doesn't care. Hasn't hosted one for decades.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pak didn't make CT "relevant". They just went overboard celebrating it cause they had won nothing for years. India won in both 2013 and 2025 without dropping a match (and defeating Pak both times) and didn't even care much.

That’s true. 2017 was the biggest cricketing success for Pakistan in the last 30+ years so it’s natural for the country to go crazy about it.

Even in recent podcasts with players like Hasan Ali, Sarfaraz, I’ve seen them talk a lot about CT17 yet no one talked about CT13 in the same fashion in India.

 

[Sachin fan]

I don't think so.

This will only be till 2027 or so. India have CT and WC after that. Pakistan don't have anything.

Pak women are too weak to qualify for KOs so semis/final will be in India.

Asia Cup India doesn't care. Hasn't hosted one for decades.

If we capitulated now, with all the power and chest thumping, right after Pahalgam, what will change in 2027?

The same greed and wanting to please Dubai masters and media channels will still be there in 2027.

What do you think will change in 2027, which is not there today? What is forcing us now which won't be there in 2027?

 

[TexasRattlesnake]

If we capitulated now, with all the power and chest thumping, right after Pahalgam, what will change in 2027?

The same greed and wanting to please Dubai masters and media channels will still be there in 2027.

What do you think will change in 2027, which is not there today? What is forcing us now which won't be there in 2027?

The contract that was signed prior to the CT was till 2027 with hybrid models in each others tournaments.

Hybrid model agreed for Champions Trophy and ICC events from 2024-27

Pakistan will not travel to India for the remaining ICC tournaments in the ongoing events cycle | ESPN.in

www.espn.in

 

[prash88]

Indian T20 team is head and shoulders above Pakistan in both ability and tactics. Pakistan ll be happy not to face India a third time in the tournament after two trashings...