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United States Vice President Mike Pence on Thursday arrived in Afghanistan on a surprise visit during which he met with Afghan leaders in Kabul and addressed US troops at the Bagram airfield, becoming the most senior Trump administration official to visit the men and women fighting America's longest-ever war.

Addressing 15,000 US personnel at Bagram Airfield, Pence warned Pakistan against offering safe havens to terrorists.

He reiterated word for word President Donald Trump's warning that Pakistan must stop offering cross-border safe havens to Taliban factions and armed militant groups fighting US troops and their Afghan allies.

“Pakistan has much to gain from partnering with the United States, and Pakistan has much to lose by continuing to harbour criminals and terrorists," Penec said.

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“President Trump has put Pakistan on notice,” Pence added.

Taliban on the run
As he thanked the US troops for their service, the vice president told them that they have put the Taliban on the run.

“The American people deserve to know that with the courage of everyone gathered here, we're making real progress in this fight for freedom in Afghanistan,” Pence told the troops.

“We've dramatically increased American air strikes. And together with our Afghan partners, we've put the Taliban on the defensive,” he said, also pointing at efforts to target the drug trafficking networks that help fund the Taliban.

“All across this country we've won new victories against the terrorists, no matter what they call themselves or where they try to hide.”

Pence's visit comes four months after Trump unveiled a new strategy for Afghanistan, which he told the troops was “already bearing fruit.”

“We've been on a long road together” he said. “We've both sacrificed much.” But, he added: “We are here to see this through.”

“And never doubt that your mission ─ your mission here in Afghanistan ─ is vital to the safety and security of the American people,” Pence said.

The superpower's vexed campaign against Al Qaeda and the Taliban ─ born from the rubble of the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington, receives ever-less public attention in the United States these days.

With typical certitude, the 45th commander-in-chief promised a nation “weary of war without victory” a more ruthless campaign, and one without Obama-era exit deadlines or niceties.

Pence's visit was designed to shift the spotlight back on personnel and their mission, however briefly, before Americans turn their focus to turkey lunches, festive cheer and contentious domestic politics.

But the trip comes as Afghan security forces struggle to beat back the Taliban, which has been on the offensive since the withdrawal of US-led NATO combat troops at the end of 2014 and maintains control over swathes of the country.

And the fact that Pence's visit took place in secrecy and under cover of winter darkness is a stark reminder of the difficult security situation even around Kabul and even after a war effort worth more than half a trillion dollars.

Later asked by reporters whether the US would consider raising its military presence in the country, Pence demurred.

“That will be a decision for the commander in chief in the days ahead, but again this is... not just personnel,” he said.

“You know, I said today that bureaucrats don't win wars, soldiers do. And one of the things that you have seen in President Trump, as commander in chief, is he has empowered our battlefield commanders to make real-time decisions,” he continued, citing successes against the militant Islamic State group in Iraq and Syria.

His visit from Bagram to central Kabul, where he met President Ashraf Ghani and Chief Executive Abdullah Abdullah ─ both of whom the United States is counting on to help rebuild this war-shattered country ─ was in doubt until the last moment, when a White House official said he countermanded a decision that the weather was not clear enough to travel.

Even then, Pence's helicopter flight took place in near total darkness, moving low and fast and with a heavy phalanx of secret service and special forces.

The White House official said the decision was made “out of respect. To meet with Ghani and Abdullah.” The Trump administration, like Barack Obama's before, has put enormous hope in Ghani, who is seen by the White House as more competent and less corrupt than his predecessor Hamid Karzai.

But his three-year-old “national unity” government appears to be faltering and parliamentary elections have been repeatedly postponed.

Pence had been expected to visit Egypt and Israel this week, a trip that was delayed amid a crunch vote on tax cuts and deadly protests at Trump's decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
 
In a decade or two with a new president these "terrorists" may well become "freedom fighters".

i think it's about time people stop giving a **** what America thinks. Words that were once meaningful are now scoffed at thanks to The Don.
 
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As he thanked the US troops for their service, the vice president told them that they have put the Taliban on the run.

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“The American people deserve to know that with the courage of everyone gathered here, we're making real progress in this fight for freedom in Afghanistan,” Pence told the troops.

From the OP
“All across this country we've won new victories against the terrorists, no matter what they call themselves or where they try to hide.”

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And the fact that Pence's visit took place in secrecy and under cover of winter darkness is a stark reminder of the difficult security situation even around Kabul and even after a war effort worth more than half a trillion dollars.

Cost to the U.S.: That could creep as high as nearly $2 trillion, according to Brown University’s Cost of War Project. The group estimates the total cost of the war to be $783 billion through fiscal year 2016. That number climbs to $1.8 trillionwhen factoring in long-term spending like veterans’ care and interest on debt, researchers found. A Congressional Research Service Report estimated the operational cost of the war in Afghanistan was $686 billion through 2014.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...prevent-christmas-government-shutdown-n832031

After 16 years, and almost $1.8 trillion, and counting, The mightiest Superpower the world has ever known and possessing the most sophisticated military hardware ever invented, trying to defeat a bunch of uneducated peasants possessing mainly homemade guns and bombs. And it's someone else's fault (next door neighbour's) why permanent victory hasn't been achieved after 16 years, with thousands of soldiers lives lost, and tens of thousands more wounded and maimed, (along with hundreds of thousands of collateral damage innocent civilians). And all for Operation Iraqi Freedom. Some freedom!
 
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Strange relationship between the US and Pakistan, officially anyway. Both publicly always seem at odds, yet behind the scenes there is obviously co-operation which has endured 16 years of the Afghan war despite these sort of announcements during that whole period.
 
The Foreign Office (FO) on Friday lashed out at the United States (US) hours after Vice President Mike Pence's warning that the Trump administration has "put Pakistan on notice", claiming that the statements diverged from recent conversations between both countries' officials.

"Allies do not put each other on notice," the FO statement said, noting that Pence's scathing remarks were "at variance with the extensive conversations we [Islamabad] have had with the US administration".|

Read more: 'Trump has put Pakistan on notice,' US VP Pence warns in surprise Kabul visit

The FO statement stressed the need for the US to create peace and reconciliation mechanisms instead of shifting blame onto Pakistan for its failures in Afghanistan.

"Externalising blame should be put on notice," the FO said, in addition to a host of "factors responsible for exponential increase in drug production, expansion of ungoverned spaces, industrial scale corruption, breakdown of governance, and letting Daesh gain a foothold in Afghanistan."

Pence's statements are the harshest US warning to Pakistan since the beginning of the Afghan war more than 16 years ago and follows several recent statements, indicating US indignation with Islamabad.

The US VP visited Kabul's Bagram airbase in a trip cloaked in secrecy, becoming the most senior Trump administration official to visit the men and women fighting America's longest-ever war.

Earlier today, Foreign Affairs Secretary Tehmina Janjua said Islamabad rejected US VP Pence's 'rhetorical' statements and allegations outright, and posed the question of how the US would be able to address Pakistan's regional security concerns.

During a Senate Foreign Affairs Committee briefing on Pence's remarks chaired by Nuzhat Sadiq, Janjua said that Islamabad and Washington are in touch regarding the US' "unliteral action" statements.

"How can unilateral action be taken on a single source of information?" she asked.

"Pakistan has no terrorist sanctuaries," she asserted, adding that the presence of terrorists in Afghanistan has been detrimental to Pakistan's safety. She also accused India of using Afghan soil to destabilise Pakistan.

Rejecting Pence's claim on the presence of terrorists on the Pakistani side of the Pak-Afghan border, Janjua said that Operation Khyber-2 had already cleansed the area of terrorists.

"However, if actionable intelligence is provided to us, Pakistan can conduct intelligence-based operations," she added.

"The bigger question is how will the US address Pakistan's concerns? Terrorists wanted in Pakistan are hiding away in Afghanistan and the refugee situation is also creating major problems for us."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1378209/a...ashes-out-at-us-after-pences-scathing-remarks
 
After 16 years, and almost $1.8 trillion, and counting, The mightiest Superpower the world has ever known and possessing the most sophisticated military hardware ever invented, trying to defeat a bunch of uneducated peasants possessing mainly homemade guns and bombs. And it's someone else's fault (next door neighbour's) why permanent victory hasn't been achieved after 16 years, with thousands of soldiers lives lost, and tens of thousands more wounded and maimed, (along with hundreds of thousands of collateral damage innocent civilians). And all for Operation Iraqi Freedom. Some freedom!

Well said. These wars are a stable business model for American weapons' industry.

There is absolutely no accountability of what they are doing. And then you have military contractors whose priority is to milk the cow as long as they can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja5Q75hf6QI
 
We will continue doing what's best for us
 
Was the statement translated from the original Russian ?
 
In a decade or two with a new president these "terrorists" may well become "freedom fighters".

i think it's about time people stop giving a **** what America thinks. Words that were once meaningful are now scoffed at thanks to The Don.

Perfect. By that logic, list of Pakistani freedom fighters and heroes:

- Osama bin Laden
- Mullah Omar
- Maulana Masood Azhar (aviation expert, master of directing commercial airlines from one place to another)
- Hafeez Saeed (noted social reformer)
- Dawood Ibrahim (ace business man)

Well played!
 
Perfect. By that logic, list of Pakistani freedom fighters and heroes:

- Osama bin Laden
- Mullah Omar
- Maulana Masood Azhar (aviation expert, master of directing commercial airlines from one place to another)
- Hafeez Saeed (noted social reformer)
- Dawood Ibrahim (ace business man)

Well played!

Congratulations... finally a smart Indian.
 
Where do these safe havens exist? Whenever we ask them they have no idea, but they supposedly exist.
 
Perfect. By that logic, list of Pakistani freedom fighters and heroes:

- Osama bin Laden
- Mullah Omar
- Maulana Masood Azhar (aviation expert, master of directing commercial airlines from one place to another)
- Hafeez Saeed (noted social reformer)
- Dawood Ibrahim (ace business man)

Well played!

Nice try but the joke truly is on you.

All but one of those men were American-backed "Mujahideen", the one exception is Dawood Ibrahim who was only linked to the mujahideen(Taliban). Only two are Pakistani.

Yup very well played indeed
 
Perfect. By that logic, list of Pakistani freedom fighters and heroes:

- Osama bin Laden
- Mullah Omar
- Maulana Masood Azhar (aviation expert, master of directing commercial airlines from one place to another)
- Hafeez Saeed (noted social reformer)
- Dawood Ibrahim (ace business man)

Well played!

helping Indians getting rich from Pakistan is an accomplishment itself. I do not understand why any Indian would complain?
 
helping Indians getting rich from Pakistan is an accomplishment itself. I do not understand why any Indian would complain?

I would like Us to back its statements on what intelligence it has before making random statements. It's been years since BIn laden but the Us makes it look like Pakistan is another Syria or Afghanistan where 1 out of 5 people is a terrorist and all current terror acts are due to Pakistan ..??
 
helping Indians getting rich from Pakistan is an accomplishment itself. I do not understand why any Indian would complain?



Wouldn’t you complain if India helps get a person rich who killed 300+ of your countrymen and your family?

It’s easy to joke and act smart on the Internet but God forbid if you ever be on receiving end I will see how much jokes you crack then..
 
Wouldn’t you complain if India helps get a person rich who killed 300+ of your countrymen and your family?

It’s easy to joke and act smart on the Internet but God forbid if you ever be on receiving end I will see how much jokes you crack then..

The indian military is rich and they killed thousands of Pakistanis.
 
The indian military is rich and they killed thousands of Pakistanis.

Yes it’s very sad to see the state of affairs between the two countries..Any innocent life lost is a shame on humanity.. The sooner both the sides realise the better.. Blaming each other like you just did will never help anyone.. Accept your wrongs and hope they are done right similarly the other side should do the same.
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1378569/p...one-let-alone-us-rabbani-slams-pences-remarks

Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani, in response to a warning from United States (US) Vice President (VP) Mike Pence to Islamabad earlier this week, made it clear that Pakistan is not in the habit of "taking notices" from anyone.

Pence, while addressing US troops at the Bagram military base in Kabul, had said that Pakistan has allegedly provided safe haven to terrorists for too long but those days are over now, as US President Donald Trump has now "put Pakistan on notice".

"Two days ago, Pence had the gall, the audacity to say that Trump has put Pakistan on notice," Rabbani said in Islamabad on Sunday. "Let the word ring out in clear terms that Pakistan is a sovereign state and is not in the habit of taking notices from anyone, let alone the US."

The Senate chairman was addressing the first six-nation Speakers' Conference, which was inaugurated by President Mamnoon Hussain earlier today.

The conference ─ themed "The challenges of terrorism and inter-regional connectivity" ─ is being held in Islamabad, with representatives from Russia, China, Iran, Afghanistan and Turkey in attendance.

Addressing the conference, Rabbani further said that Trump, in his recently announced South Asia policy, had blamed Pakistan for the failures of the US in Afghanistan.

"We saw the US ignoring the sacrifices made by Pakistan," Rabbani observed.

He went on to state that the US has pursued a policy of "regime change and bringing about destabilisation in Muslim countries" particularly in the Middle East.

Describing Trump's decision to shift the US embassy in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem the "blunder of all blunders", Rabbani said that Washington had failed to understand that it is neither supported practically, nor in fact, nor by history in their decision to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

Rabbani noted that the United Nations General Assembly had given a befitting reply to Washington when over 120 countries rejected the US move.

"What they [US] fail to recognise is that the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital will give rise to a new intifada as the people of Palestine move to achieve their historic rights."

During his address, Rabbani also spoke about the Trump administration's recently unveiled national security strategy, noting that a new nexus seems to be emerging comprising of US, Israel and India.

"We find the US is trying to use or build up India as a policeman of the region," Rabbani said.

He added that although Pakistan "believes in dialogue and friendly relations with its neighbours [...] until and unless India is willing to speak on equal terms, we will perhaps just be looking at the mirage of peace in the region."

Earlier in the day, National Assembly Speaker Ayaz Sadiq addressed the conference and noted that Pakistan's economy has suffered gravely due to "cowardly acts of terrorism".

He said that the problem of extremism had been aggravated by the rise of the drug trade.

"Why has the global coalition against terrorism consistently failed to control and destroy poppy cultivation?" Sadiq asked, noting that the drug had become a major source of terror financing.

"Although religious fanaticism has often been cited as the main cause of global terrorism, let us not forget that the rise of the populous right and the sanctioning of oppression has also added to the mayhem," Sadiq said.

"The world has failed to address the root cause of extremism," he added.

He said that the controversy over Jerusalem's status did not only violate international laws but also undermined peace efforts, divided the people of the world and fanned religious animosity.

He said that the US move to veto a United Nations Security Council’s draft resolution rejecting the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital was proof that the world needs a more just and equitable order.
 
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After 16 years, and almost $1.8 trillion, and counting, The mightiest Superpower the world has ever known and possessing the most sophisticated military hardware ever invented, trying to defeat a bunch of uneducated peasants possessing mainly homemade guns and bombs. And it's someone else's fault (next door neighbour's) why permanent victory hasn't been achieved after 16 years, with thousands of soldiers lives lost, and tens of thousands more wounded and maimed, (along with hundreds of thousands of collateral damage innocent civilians). And all for Operation Iraqi Freedom. Some freedom!

You never know how much $ is reimbursed through drug money.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/us/politics/pakistan-american-aid-255-million.html

WASHINGTON — When Pakistani forces freed a Canadian-American family this fall held captive by militants, they also captured one of the abductors. United States officials saw a potential windfall: He was a member of the Taliban-linked Haqqani network who could perhaps provide valuable information about at least one other American hostage.

The Americans demanded access to the man, but Pakistani officials rejected those requests, the latest disagreement in the increasingly dysfunctional relationship between the countries. Now, the Trump administration is strongly considering whether to withhold $255 million in aid that it had delayed sending to Islamabad, according to American officials, as a show of dissatisfaction with Pakistan’s broader intransigence toward confronting the terrorist networks that operate there.

The administration’s internal debate over whether to deny Pakistan the money is a test of whether President Trump will deliver on his threat to punish Islamabad for failing to cooperate on counterterrorism operations. Relations between the United States and Pakistan, long vital for both, have chilled steadily since the president declared over the summer that Pakistan “gives safe haven to agents of chaos, violence and terror.”

The United States, which has provided Pakistan more than $33 billion in aid since 2002, said in August that it was withholding the $255 million until Pakistan did more to crack down on internal terrorist groups. Senior administration officials met this month to decide what to do about the money, and American officials said a final decision could be made in the coming weeks.

The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the sensitive discussions, did not detail what conditions Pakistan would have to meet to receive the aid. It was not clear how the United States found out about the militant’s arrest, but an American drone had been monitoring the kidnappers as they moved deeper into Pakistan.

Caitlan Coleman, an American, and her Canadian husband, Joshua Boyle, were freed along with their children in an October raid after five years in captivity. Pakistani troops confronted Haqqani militants as they ferried the family across the tribal lands of northwest Pakistan.

The Trump administration has foreshadowed a cutoff in recent days with harsher language. Last week, in announcing his national security strategy, Mr. Trump again singled out Pakistan for criticism. “We make massive payments every year to Pakistan,” he said. “They have to help.”

Vice President Mike Pence reinforced that message in a visit to Afghanistan just before Christmas, telling cheering American troops that “President Trump has put Pakistan on notice.” The reaction of his audience was notable, analysts said, since the Pentagon has historically been one of Pakistan’s defenders in Washington because of its longstanding ties to the Pakistani military.

Pakistan, however, has few friends in Mr. Trump’s National Security Council. Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, served in Afghanistan, where he saw firsthand how Pakistan meddled in its neighbor’s affairs. Lisa Curtis, the council’s senior director for South and Central Asia, brought critical views about Pakistan from her previous post at the conservative Heritage Foundation.

In a report she wrote in February with Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s former ambassador to Washington, the two called for the administration to “avoid viewing and portraying Pakistan as an ally.” If Pakistan did not take steps to show its commitment to America’s counterterrorism goals, they wrote, Mr. Trump should strip it of its status as a major non-NATO ally.

Such a step would be more punitive than withholding the $255 million in State Department assistance known as Foreign Military Financing, Mr. Haqqani said in an interview, because it would deprive Pakistan of access to military equipment. He said Pakistani officials were bracing for some kind of aid cutoff.

Pakistan’s military, he said, still views its accommodation of the Haqqani network as in its security interest. To overcome that, the Trump administration would have to pursue other, more punishing measures, either by imposing targeted sanctions on the government or removing it from the list of non-NATO allies.

“Pakistan can withstand a cutoff in American aid,” Mr. Haqqani said. “It would have to be followed by something else to make Pakistan believe that Mr. Trump means business.”

In July, the Pentagon said it would withhold $50 million in military reimbursements for Pakistan because the country had not taken “sufficient action” against the Haqqani network.

A State Department official said Pakistan’s actions will ultimately determine the course of “security assistance in the future.” The official said conversations with Pakistan are continuing and declined to provide further comment.

The Pakistani government did not respond to a message seeking comment.

After Ms. Coleman, Mr. Boyle and their children were freed, the Pakistani military made no mention of the captured Haqqani operative. Instead, the military released a statement saying the operation’s “success underscores the importance of timely intelligence sharing and Pakistan’s continued commitment towards fighting this menace through cooperation between two forces against a common enemy.”

Mr. Trump said it was “a positive moment for our country’s relationship with Pakistan.”

American officials are eager to learn what the militant knows about Kevin King, an American university professor who was kidnapped along with Timothy Weeks, an Australian citizen, in August 2016. Mr. King is believed to be alive but ill and American officials are hopeful that he and Mr. Weeks might be released.

Another American, Paul Overby, vanished in 2014 in Afghanistan. Mr. Overby was trying to interview the leader of the Haqqani network when he disappeared.

Gen. Joseph L. Votel, the head of the Pentagon’s Central Command, which oversees Pakistan and Afghanistan, declined to provide any details on the Haqqani operative who was seized other than to say he was “probably pretty important” and that any militants involved in hostage-taking were “significant.”

General Votel would not say whether the Trump administration is considering withholding aid from Pakistan to prod Islamabad to improve its counterterrorism cooperation.

“What we’re trying to do is to talk to Pakistan about this, and not try to communicate with them through public messaging,” General Votel said in an interview.
 
Pakistan has more to lose then siding with the American's. They made a mess in Afghanistan now clean it up yourselves.
 
Classified documents have been found at former US Vice-President Mike Pence's home in the latest secret paper discovery.

The documents, discovered by a lawyer last week for Mr Pence at his Indiana home, have been handed over to the FBI.

Special counsels are already looking at the handling of classified documents by President Joe Biden and ex-President Donald Trump.

Mr Trump faces a criminal investigation for allegedly mishandling files.

Representatives for Mr Pence sent a letter to the National Archives alerting them to the documents.

The FBI came to the former vice-president's home to collect the documents, bypassing "standard procedures" and requesting "direct possession" of them, lawyers added in a separate letter.

Under the Presidential Records Act, White House records are supposed to go to the National Archives once an administration ends. Regulations require such files to be stored securely.

A "small number of documents bearing classified markings" were "inadvertently boxed and transported" to Mr Pence's home at the end of Donald Trump's presidency, his lawyer wrote in a letter shared with US media.

The latest development emerged after Mr Pence sought legal help from specialists in handling classified documents "out of an abundance of caution".

He asked for help "after it became public that documents with classified markings were found in President Joe Biden's Wilmington residence", the letter read.

BBC
 
I agree that there is no room for criminals and terrorists. So when is the west handing over Nawaz Sharif and closing his bank accounts. When are they sending Altaf Hussain back to Pak?
 
Pence under the scanner:

The FBI has found an additional classified document in a search of former US Vice-President Mike Pence's home in Indiana.

It follows disclosures by his attorneys that they found "a small number" of classified files from his vice-presidency at the home last month.

An adviser for Mr Pence confirmed that additional files were removed following "a thorough and unrestricted search".

Mr Pence agreed to the consensual search, he added.

"The Department of Justice completed a thorough and unrestricted search of five hours and removed one document with classified markings and six additional pages without such markings that were not discovered in the initial review by the vice-president's counsel," said adviser Devin O'Malley in a statement on Friday.

The search was conducted by FBI agents from Indianapolis and is not currently linked to other investigations into classified files, CBS, the BBC's US partner, reported.
 
I agree that there is no room for criminals and terrorists. So when is the west handing over Nawaz Sharif and closing his bank accounts. When are they sending Altaf Hussain back to Pak?

If you have the money, doesn't matter the source of it, then whether you are a criminal or a dictator or a fraudster, UK will roll out red carpet for you and their legal system will ensure that you never get back sent to your country for your crimes.
 
If you have the money, doesn't matter the source of it, then whether you are a criminal or a dictator or a fraudster, UK will roll out red carpet for you and their legal system will ensure that you never get back sent to your country for your crimes.

Which exposes the west for it's hypocritical attitude as we all know. As i always say "might is right" so the best thing is to join the club. The trouble with Pak is us always trying to please the west and being politically correct. Should have hanged Kulbushan Yadav and Raymond Davis ages back.
 
Which exposes the west for it's hypocritical attitude as we all know. As i always say "might is right" so the best thing is to join the club. The trouble with Pak is us always trying to please the west and being politically correct. Should have hanged Kulbushan Yadav and Raymond Davis ages back.

Raymond Davis. , did he not pay blood money to the family and that’s why he was left off? That idiot got into a conflict with some back in USA also a while back.
 
Raymond Davis. , did he not pay blood money to the family and that’s why he was left off? That idiot got into a conflict with some back in USA also a while back.

That is the point. Pak should not have accepted blood money instead executed him after he was found guilty.
 
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