Pakistan has never won a Test in Brisbane - one innings defeat, two ten-wicket losses

[yasir]

Pakistan Record in Brisbane (GABBA) is very poor, played 4, one draw and 3 heavy losses (1 innings defeat, 2 10 wickets margin)

Main reason is that we cannot handle bounce, GABBA is one of the bouncy track in AUS. This time around, there are quite a few factors that worries me:

1. Playing first test in GABBA was a bad idea, you always need time to adjust.
2. Day and Night factor will add more worries.
3. Aging middle order(batting under lights, even without lights they are off).
4. Not so brilliant fast men is another issue. Even in 90s, with star bowlers, we manage to get innings defeat and a 10 wicket loss.

Forget about winning, keeping margin of loss down will be difficult.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Might as well not show up.

 

[EliteCynical]

The last time Aus lost a test in Gabba was 1988 and that too to a dominant WI side. No one has been able to defeat Aus at their fortress for the last 28 years. So relax.

Pak has a decent chance though, with Yasir. All they have to do is bat well.

 

[Hamza78]

Don't worry we will make history this time around

 

[Pete Rose]

I am banking on Pakistan's opening partnership

 

[Snatch]

Mohammad Asif is the bowler Pakistan should be rolling out on the Gabba track.

He'd do well there. It's strange that Amir is all forgiven but Asif is not. Was always the better of those two bowlers for me.

 

[Suleiman]

Think people take past records a little too much to heart.

Don't get me wrong, if you consistently fail somewhere then you can't put such stats off completely. But you shouldn't use them as a be all end all type of thing.

Few people going into NZ were like "ahaha yeah we haven't lost a series to NZ in 20+ years lol whatever" but we weren't exactly carrying some world class attack or anything to back that stat up.

Or that Kolkata was our so called "fortress" going in to the game in the World t20 given our past record there that we'd be slight favorites only to get pummeled because of a 0 batting line-up and 4 man pacer attack on a turner (go figure )

Same thing here. Our batting, despite flopping in NZ, isn't exactly as paper thin and pathetic as the one from 2010 and I guess 2004 to an extent with lulloos like Faisal lmao Iqbal and others. It is more disciplined with proven performers, with only 1 deadweight at most. So don't take such records to heart and look at things with a bit more perspective.

 

[aloo paratha]

We just need to be able to bat, bowlers will do fine.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Some good posts later in this thread.

If everything was based on paper and history, life wouldn't be worth living and we wouldn't push ourselves in life to better ourselves.

 

[Buffet]

Just go and play good cricket. Everything else is irrelevant.

 

[Pete Rose]

It is Australia's fortress so yes Pakistan has the weight of history against them

 

[MMHS]

Doesn't matter - there is always 1st time. Once PAK had a record of 38 Tests & 48 years unbeaten record at NSK - until the most unlikely team (ENG) broke that.

The key is to play good cricket - or more accurately, play exactly opposite to what PAK has done in last 3 Tests.

 

[Junaids]

Matt Renshaw has never won a Test at Brisbane.

Peter Handscomb has never won a Test at Brisbane.

Nic Maddinson has never won a Test at Brisbane.

Mathew Wade has never won a Test at Brisbane

Jackson Bird has never won a Test at Brisbane.

 

[Ab Fan]

Brisbane is Australia's fort quite like Galle for SL..

None of SC teams have decent record there.

 

[Zak_Fan]

It isn't just Gabba though. In last 25 years, Pakistan has lost 11 out of 12 matches in Australia. Last 9 have been consecutive losses.

 

[Sin Nombre]

No SC team has ever won there.

This is probably the closest any Asian team has come to winning in Brisbane, India collapsing after Gavaskar's wicket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63195.html

 

[MMHS]

Normally, Aussies put tourists at Gabba, followed by WACA in 1st 2 Tests of any 5 Test Series - by the time, tourists had the chance to breathe properly, they were often 2-0 down. Only exception was WI from late 70s to mid 90s - one of many reasons, why that team was truly all-time best.

 

[street cricketer]

Pakistan Record in Brisbane (GABBA) is very poor, played 4, one draw and 3 heavy losses (1 innings defeat, 2 10 wickets margin)

Main reason is that we cannot handle bounce, GABBA is one of the bouncy track in AUS. This time around, there are quite a few factors that worries me:

1. Playing first test in GABBA was a bad idea, you always need time to adjust.
2. Day and Night factor will add more worries.
3. Aging middle order(batting under lights, even without lights they are off).
4. Not so brilliant fast men is another issue. Even in 90s, with star bowlers, we manage to get innings defeat and a 10 wicket loss.

Forget about winning, keeping margin of loss down will be difficult.

It's not just a bad idea by PCB. But Australia play most of the visiting teams in the first match at the Gabba, just to intimidate them and get a psychological against them as the Gabba is a fortress for the Australians.

But Pakistan have their chance at Melbourne and Sydney to put one against the Aussies.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Don't believe in past records. If you play well, you win.

 

[kingusama92]

They're rocking a much weaker squad than the teams Pakistan has played before.

Doesn't mean a win is probable, but it offsets the poor history IMO.

 

[Junaids]

It isn't just Gabba though. In last 25 years, Pakistan has lost 11 out of 12 matches in Australia. Last 9 have been consecutive losses.

And from 1981-82 until 1995-96 Pakistan's record in Australia was actually:

1976-77 SERIES DRAWN 1-1
D
L
W

1978-79 SERIES DRAWN 1-1
W
L

1981-82 SERIES LOST 2-1
L
L
W

1983-84 SERIES LOST 2-0 WITH 3 DRAWS WHILE IMRAN COULDN'T BOWL
L
D
D
D
L

1989-90 SERIES LOST 1-0 (2 draws)
L
D
D

1995-96 SERIES LOST 2-1
L
L
W

Across 6 series the record was:

Won: 3
Drew: 6
Lost: 9

In other words, Pakistan used to only lose roughly 50% of matches in Australia.

And out of 6 series, 2 were drawn and 3 were only lost by a 1 Test margin.

Asian teams struggle at the Gabba for two reasons:

1. They naively bowl too short when they get carried away with the bounce, and
2. They usually start off at Brisbane before the batsmen have adapted to the bounce.

But until 1999-2000, in which suspicious events occurred in the Tests, Pakistan were generally the best Asian tourists to Australia.

 

[Pete Rose]

And from 1981-82 until 1995-96 Pakistan's record in Australia was actually:

1976-77 SERIES DRAWN 1-1
D
L
W

1978-79 SERIES DRAWN 1-1
W
L

1981-82 SERIES LOST 2-1
L
L
W

1983-84 SERIES LOST 2-0 WITH 3 DRAWS WHILE IMRAN COULDN'T BOWL
L
D
D
D
L

1989-90 SERIES LOST 1-0 (2 draws)
L
D
D

1995-96 SERIES LOST 2-1
L
L
W

Across 6 series the record was:

Won: 3
Drew: 6
Lost: 9

In other words, Pakistan used to only lose roughly 50% of matches in Australia.

And out of 6 series, 2 were drawn and 3 were only lost by a 1 Test margin.

Asian teams struggle at the Gabba for two reasons:

1. They naively bowl too short when they get carried away with the bounce, and
2. They usually start off at Brisbane before the batsmen have adapted to the bounce.

But until 1999-2000, in which suspicious events occurred in the Tests, Pakistan were generally the best Asian tourists to Australia.

I sincerely hope they don't play wahab in Brisbane

 

[Junaids]

I sincerely hope they don't play wahab in Brisbane

Me too - I was shocked by Mickey Arthur's comments about him being the key bowler.

Wahab will be excellent at Sydney and Melbourne, where the more abrasive pitches will allow reverse swing to come into the game.

But the Day/Night Test requires bowlers who bowl a full length. The ideal Pakistani quick would be Asif, but failing that it would actually be Hasan Ali.

 

[Pete Rose]

Me too - I was shocked by Mickey Arthur's comments about him being the key bowler.

Wahab will be excellent at Sydney and Melbourne, where the more abrasive pitches will allow reverse swing to come into the game.

But the Day/Night Test requires bowlers who bowl a full length. The ideal Pakistani quick would be Asif, but failing that it would actually be Hasan Ali.

I like Hassan Ali. It's a shame that Sohail khan does not have the stamina to bowl two innings: otherwise I would have said he could do the job and Imran khan hasn't been played enough. I know you have strong views about yasir's utility in day nighter but I think first test attach will be aamir, Sohail, Rahat, Yasir

 

[jeetu]

I like Hassan Ali. It's a shame that Sohail khan does not have the stamina to bowl two innings: otherwise I would have said he could do the job and Imran khan hasn't been played enough. I know you have strong views about yasir's utility in day nighter but I think first test attach will be aamir, Sohail, Rahat, Yasir

Sohail Khan seems to be poorly managed in second inning. He could be treated like he is playing in T20. Only 2-3 overs in spell max.

 

[Pete Rose]

Sohail Khan seems to be poorly managed in second inning. He could be treated like he is playing in T20. Only 2-3 overs in spell max.

Yes. That could be an idea. But his bowling is the kind that requires long spells to set up a batsman. The short bursts are usually associated with the express fast bowlers

 

[jeetu]

Yes. That could be an idea. But his bowling is the kind that requires long spells to set up a batsman. The short bursts are usually associated with the express fast bowlers

I don't think there is much of a choice. Something else needs to be done.
He has for now perhaps the most lopsided disparity between first and second inning.
First Inning - 21 wickets at avg of 29.76
Second Inning - 3 wickets at average of 123

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes so what?

Poor comments in the OP. He don't want us to show up and forfeit the match. )

Pak's winning.

 

[Pete Rose]

Yes so what?

Poor comments in the OP. He don't want us to show up and forfeit the match. )

Pak's winning.

He's just sayin'
There will be plenty of threads - after all this is the most anticipated tour after a while

 

[Haroon786]

They're rocking a much weaker squad than the teams Pakistan has played before.

Doesn't mean a win is probable, but it offsets the poor history IMO.

Not true, certainly for the last 2 touring squads we had, there were far more passengers in those teams than at present. In this current team, they can all perform, it's just a matter of clicking into form rather than not being good enough to do so which you're suggesting.

 

[Sidilicious]

There is always a first!

Pakistan need to take strength in the fact that this is one of the weakest Aus teams in decades, and this is one of the most disciplined Pak Teams in decades.

Had Misbah been around in the previous test, Pakistan would have lasted the extra test to draw the series. The pitches wont be as difficult as what they were served in NZ, and would be on the flatter side. As long as Pak can put up decent results with the bat, they would always be in the game.

 

[yasir]

Yes so what?

Poor comments in the OP. He don't want us to show up and forfeit the match. )

Pak's winning.

My point lets keep reality in perspective. Plus I have not seen any signs that Pakistanis now are any better at dealing with bounce...First NZ test, in second innings Pakistan was undone by bounce, the way we surrender to short pitch bowling of Wagner was very disappointing, he is not that fast or tall, if you cannot mange him, for get about Auses... We saw bounce issues in England too, OT test, wicket was flat, little bouncy and we collapsed twice...This team is very weak against bounce, and Auses know this more than me

 

[yasir]

Sohail Khan seems to be poorly managed in second inning. He could be treated like he is playing in T20. Only 2-3 overs in spell max.

Sohail first two overs are looseners, he takes time to get into rhythm, but does not have energy to bowl 2nd and third spells in the day. Maybe hotter weather will help him, but I will not hold my breath.

Sohail, Wahab and Rahat bowls generally very poor first over, its so unprofessional. When conditions does not suite their style of bowling, they do really poor job of containment. This puts lot of pressure on Yasir and Amir. Pakistan needs to dry up run to put Auses under pressure, their defense is weak, but if you give them 2 freebies every over all pressure will be released

 

[yasir]

It's not just a bad idea by PCB. But Australia play most of the visiting teams in the first match at the Gabba, just to intimidate them and get a psychological against them as the Gabba is a fortress for the Australians.

But Pakistan have their chance at Melbourne and Sydney to put one against the Aussies.

Yeah, I have noticed that too, Auses well come lot of Asians on GABBA, this time there is double Whammy, night test....

Imagine if Pakistan started on Sydney with Yasir, like Lords we could have won. Then go to MCG and at backend GABBA. Last time we went to SA, they greeted us on Wanderers and we caught flat foot at 47... If you don't give us a toss, atleast itinerary should favor visitors

 

[Indiafan]

It's strange that Amir is all forgiven but Asif is not. .

How on earth is it strange that a bowler who was given forgiveness, after forgiveness after forgiveness for years, was always supported by PCB yet slapped PCB on the face one more time is not forgiven for a FIFTH time by that board? They forgive him and forgive him and forgive him. What did he do? He fixed and dragged Amir with him

Is it me or have people here complete amnesia when they don't remember that they were the one cursing him for dragging Pakistan's name in mud FOUR times? Now because you lost two match overseas you want to pardon him a FIFTH time?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I don't think there is much of a choice. Something else needs to be done.
He has for now perhaps the most lopsided disparity between first and second inning.
First Inning - 21 wickets at avg of 29.76
Second Inning - 3 wickets at average of 123

Lmao, those are some eye opening stats.

 

[DRsohail]

No SC team has ever won there.

This is probably the closest any Asian team has come to winning in Brisbane, India collapsing after Gavaskar's wicket.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63195.html

what a batsman gavaskar was,,,,respect!......would have been great if they would have pulled it out....

 

[Markhor]

How on earth is it strange that a bowler who was given forgiveness, after forgiveness after forgiveness for years, was always supported by PCB yet slapped PCB on the face one more time is not forgiven for a FIFTH time by that board? They forgive him and forgive him and forgive him. What did he do? He fixed and dragged Amir with him

Is it me or have people here complete amnesia when they don't remember that they were the one cursing him for dragging Pakistan's name in mud FOUR times? Now because you lost two match overseas you want to pardon him a FIFTH time?

Indeed I've made that argument many times but there's no point now.

I had a soft spot for Asif too but the constant daily pining for him on here is getting embarrassing.