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I know the state of our Hockey team has been depressing for some time now, I don't expect much but none the less though ill make a thread.

We are playing right now against Wales, just levelled the score at 1-1 in the second half.

Its been pretty even though Pakistan wasted a lot of scoring chances in the first half.
 
Pakistan pulls off draw against Wales at Commonwealth Games

Pakistan national men’s team drew their first match 1-1 against Wales in the opening encounter of the field hockey event at the Commonwealth Games at Gold Coast Hockey Centre on Thursday.

The 13th-ranked Pakistan team, with experienced players in their ranks, were only able to score one goal against the 24th-ranked Wales.

Both teams started the match aggressively and played two goalless quarters, but unexpectedly Wales drew first blood and Pakistan were seen looking to comeback in the match in the remaining time.

“This was our first game here and we are getting used to the conditions here,” Pakistan skipper Muhammad Rizwan senior told The Express Tribune. “Our coach had told us that we have to concentrate on the game and get used to the conditions for the next big match against India.”

Rizwan Sr then blamed poor showing by the team for the draw but hoped team would gee up for the next encounter against India on April 7.

“We made mistakes and missed chances which caused this draw. We could have won the match since Wales is an inexperienced team and we have experienced players. However, we are hoping to recover and prepare better for the match against India,” he said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1678361/7-pakistan-pulls-off-draw-wales-commonwealth-games/
 
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I know the state of our Hockey team has been depressing for some time now, I don't expect much but none the less though ill make a thread.

We are playing right now against Wales, just levelled the score at 1-1 in the second half.

Its been pretty even though Pakistan wasted a lot of scoring chances in the first half.

How was our gameplay ? Was it the traditional counter attacking style or was there any change ? Our hockey is finished if we do not bring in foreign coaches and adopt modern hockey.
 
They need more support and investment, a pity really
 
Pakistan and India will renew their decades-old hockey rivalry on Saturday when they meet in the 2018 Commonwealth Games in Queensland, Australia.

Despite being almost 10,000km away from home, the two teams' storied rivalry has generated enough buzz that the event organisers are expecting a jam-packed stadium.

India coach Sjoerd Marijne says his charges will not be fazed and are taking tomorrow's encounter as any other game.

"I addressed the team before my first match against Pakistan and they said it was business as usual so we are taking it as normal," the Dutchman said in a media briefing. "Rather than focusing on one match we have an eye on the whole tournament."

Marijne's compatriot Roelant Oltmans, who has also coached India in the past but is currently in charge of Pakistan, believes all the plans and pre-match tactics go out the window in Indo-Pak matches.

"[In these matches] each side only thinks about the outcome and totally forgets the process," he said. "Emotions override structures and strategies."

Pakistan's Muhammad Tousiq agreed with Marijne that players should, in theory, remain clam on the pitch but admitted that that rarely happens.

"It means so much to the millions of fans who watch this game," he said. "Both sets of supporters desperately want [their team] to win.

"As players we should be relaxed on the pitch, but sometimes we get carried away. I am sure things would be different this time too as they always are when Pakistan and India are playing."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1399973/i...pakistani-counterpart-thinks-its-a-lost-cause
 
A draw with Wales? Oh dear how bad can things get.

What's the expectations for Pakistan this time around?
 
KARACHI: Arch-rivals Pakistan and India will clash at the 2018 Commonwealth Games on Saturday and the former team’s captain Mohammad Rizwan Sr says they will put on their best show against the Men in Blue.

Pakistan, under the supervision of former India coach Roelant Oltmans, are confident of upstaging the sixth-ranked team.

Earlier in the event on Thursday, Pakistan could only pull off a 1-1 draw against a lowly-ranked Wales side, but captain Rizwan is hopeful of a better showing against India.
“We have been working with Oltmans and he has helped us learn many modern hockey techniques, especially some which will be helpful against India,” Muhammad Rizwan Sr told The Express Tribune.

Pakistan pulls off draw against Wales at Commonwealth Games

Rizwan Sr added Oltmans focus on fitness has helped the team who are optimistic of performing better than the Wales match.

“He has worked with us on our fitness too,” he said. “It is one of the most important requirements in modern hockey. They boys have responded well to the training and are improving each day. We were not able to deliver a win in the last match, but we will be giving our best against India.”

Rizwan Sr thinks Oltmans experience of coaching India will also help them in the April 7 clash. “The coach has trained India and knows what their weaknesses so he has helped us develop our skills according to that and we will be going into the match with our full strength.”

Head to head

Pakistan and India have faced each other 52 times and the former have won on 25 occasions, while India ran away with only 16 wins. Eleven of those encounters ended in a draw.

Pakistan have scored 124 goals against India in the 52 matches, while the latter could manage only 104 goals. In the most recent outing, Pakistan lost 3-1 to India in the Asia Cup last year in October.

“Whenever it is India, the energy and motivation level of each and every player is at its peak,” said Rizwan Sr. “We have been told to hold our nerves and don’t let our aggression overcome our emotions.”

He concluded with hope that they might be able to give Pakistan hockey fans a win to cherish. “It will be a tough match but we will have to give our best to give our nation a win against a good team,” he said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1679215/7-pakistan-confident-ahead-india-clash-commonwealth-games/
 
Pakistan come from two goals behind to draw India in hockey

India conceeded their two-goal lead in their opening hockey group encounter and allowed Pakistan to draw the game in what was a nerve-wracking last-minute thriller. The match ended 2-2 after a late penalty corner saw Pakistan equalise India.

India was a firm favourite to win the tie and it seemed like it was in control of the proceedings till halftime. Going into the third quarter, they had however squandered a two-goal cushion and allowed Pakistan to sneak back into the game. Some late drama towards the end of the fourth quarter saw Pakistan win two penalty corners back-to-back. Pakistan scored eventually and punished India for failing to convert their earlier chances in the game.

Earlier today, India took its tally at the 2018 Commonwealth Games to five with Sathish Kumar Sivalingam winning gold in 77kg weightlifting. India had ended day 2, with Sanjita Chanu and Deepak Lather winning gold and bronze respectively in weightlifting.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp.../cwg-2018-live-india-day-3-streaming-5126945/
 
Bad start, should have won against lower ranked PAK. Anyway there is no GOLD hope in this event for any other nation bar AUS so SILVER is what we all are fighting for here.
 
India vs Pakistan hockey opener at the 2018 Commonwealth Games threw up the high drama in Gold Coast on Saturday as Pakistan managed to draw the game in the last minute by 2-2.

In the first half, the Indian team was leading 2-0 against Pakistan but the second half showed a complete turnaround on the field, with Pakistan in full throttle attack.

India earned a penalty corner quite early in the third quarter but Pakistan goalkeeper Imran Butt easily deflected Rupinder Pal Singh’s feeble attempt.

Pakistan stepped up the tempo in the second half even as Indians lost their shape in the middle. They made it 1-2 via a strike from Muhammad Irfan Jr.

Pakistan turned on the intensity in the final 15 minutes and was rewarded with three back-to-back penalty corners. But they just could not slot the all-important equaliser, denied by a solid Sreejesh and their own poor shots at the goal.

The referee awarded Pakistan’s it’s eight penalty corner which Ali Mubashir converted to draw the match 2-2.

For India, Dilpreet Singh (13th minute), Harmanpreet Singh (19th minute) did the scoring, while Pakistan’s goals came from Mohammed Irfan Junior (38th minute) and Mubashar Ali (59th minute).

https://arysports.tv/dramatic-last-minute-goal-by-pakistan-draw-the-match-against-india/
 
I am surprised that India did not thrash us. 2-2 is a favourable result for Pak after being 2-0 down.
 
This equivalent to a win for Pakistan. I dont understand why India couldnt thrash this depleted side.
 
Poor performance from India. Pakistan hockey team is equivalent to Ireland in Cricket, and this should have been an easy win.
 
Poor performance from India. Pakistan hockey team is equivalent to Ireland in Cricket, and this should have been an easy win.

We still won the World Cup 4 times compared to your pathetic 1!:rp
 
How was our gameplay ? Was it the traditional counter attacking style or was there any change ? Our hockey is finished if we do not bring in foreign coaches and adopt modern hockey.

tactitcs have been okay, high press, working as a team, tracking back

Just the skill and fitness levels arent there and our finishing in both games has been awful
 
When is a draw a win? For this Pakistan team, it's when coming back from 0-2 down to draw against India after the siren in their Commonwealth Games preliminary match at Labrador.

India were 2-1 up with just seconds left when Pakistan twice went to the video referrals to earn penalty corners, the second of which was buried by 20-year-old Ali Mubashar.

Two green cards and four yellow cards were brandished in what proved a typically spiky match between the arch-rivals.

The video referral that led to the penalty corner was contentious and the mainly pro-Indian crowd was quick to voice its disappointment.

But not Pakistan coach Roelant Oltmans, who gave a wry smile when asked how it felt to beat a team he previously coached.

Oltmans spent four years with the Indian team after being appointed High Performance Director in 2013 and then moving into a senior coaching role.

“Of course it helps knowing India but I analyse every opponent,” Oltmans said. “At halftime we were 2-nil down but we had our opportunities and told our boys we had to continue; I was sure we could keep pressure on them and we got quite a number of penalty corners.”

The Dutchman said India was a strong team, and so he had no trouble turning all his attention to Pakistan when he returned to the top job.

“The only thing important for me is to bring Pakistan back,” he said. “Mentally the boys felt they were strong to come back and they were so focused. Lucky after the final whistle to score a goal, but a good decision from our players to ask for a referral.”

India urged to curb emotions

“We were not happy with the performance. We wanted to win this game. We are disappointed with the result,” said defender Rupinder Pal Singh, slamming India's lack of discipline.

“That's disloyalty to the team, and that's where we need to control our emotions. Sometimes we are so aggressive in our tackles.”

India's Dilpreet Singh scored the opener before penalty corner specialist Harmanpreet Singh put them 2-0 up with a trademark drag flick.

But Muhammad Irfan gave Pakistan a lifeline early in the second half when he tapped in after a counter-attack.

“To come back from 2-0 is a team effort,” said Pakistan midfielder Muhammed Rizwan.

"It's a learning process, as there are lots of new guys, and we've only been with our coach for two-and-a-half weeks."

Pakistan, a three-time Olympic and four-time World Cup champion, failed to qualify for the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro and is currently ranked No. 13 in the world.

That's well below eight-time Olympic gold medalist India, the highest ranked team in Asia at No. 6.

Regardless of the rankings, though, the Indo-Pak contests are always tense despite what Oltmans says.

“Look off the field, these boys know each other very well in the (athletes) village [and] they play table tennis or billiards,” he said. “When they take the field they have healthy competition, this is what you want.”

But when the 63-year-old Oltmans, an Olympic-winning coach with the Netherlands who can be intense or charming depending on the result, almost skips over to a news conference after a game, it's fairly clear a 2-2 draw can feel like a victory.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1400154/p...india-at-commonwealth-games-has-feel-of-a-win
 
tactitcs have been okay, high press, working as a team, tracking back

Just the skill and fitness levels arent there and our finishing in both games has been awful

I watched today's match. Pakistan will go no where with this style of play. Infact it is an accomplishment in itself that we are even competing at top level.

Pakistan is playing with a style which is outdated. Our players rely on shot passing and individual flair. This is because all of our players who are mostly naturally skilled are groomed in academies and clubs where coaches(ustaads who played their hockey in 80s and 90s sometimes even 70s) pass on their knowledge to kids have to play modern day hockey. If you analyze Pakistan team's tactics, we hardly change flanks while attacking, we must be the team with least number of long passes attempts( I am not talking about completion), we must also be the team who use least number of substitutions, we do not have a single reliable drag flicker at the moment and add to that poor fitness, lack of training, lack of incentives (players have regular wage related issues which are quiet low to begin with). It is a miracle that these players are even competing at the top level.
 
I watched today's match. Pakistan will go no where with this style of play. Infact it is an accomplishment in itself that we are even competing at top level.

Pakistan is playing with a style which is outdated. Our players rely on shot passing and individual flair. This is because all of our players who are mostly naturally skilled are groomed in academies and clubs where coaches(ustaads who played their hockey in 80s and 90s sometimes even 70s) pass on their knowledge to kids have to play modern day hockey. If you analyze Pakistan team's tactics, we hardly change flanks while attacking, we must be the team with least number of long passes attempts( I am not talking about completion), we must also be the team who use least number of substitutions, we do not have a single reliable drag flicker at the moment and add to that poor fitness, lack of training, lack of incentives (players have regular wage related issues which are quiet low to begin with). It is a miracle that these players are even competing at the top level.

Agreed. Asian hockey needs sponsors and domestic leagues to bring quality back like what IND did since 2012/13. These are the current world rankings -

AUS
ARG
BEL
NED
GER
IND
ENG
ESP
NZ
IRE
CAN

Except India no Asian team is in top 10 :(

PAK vs ENG today is crucial for you folks having already played 2 draws, do or die! We have a game vs Wales today, need to win big.
 
Olympic Gold Medals >>> Hockey World Cup

India has 8. :))

Two loser slides trying to decide who is less bad!!!!

Let's face it. Forget about Aus, Germany and Netherlands (the traditional non-Asian powers), now we can't even beat Belgium and Argentina (the new contenders).
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No breakthrough in the hockey.<br><br>England v Pakistan remains goalless at half time.<br><br>Live here: <a href="https://t.co/GxRuKKvV9C">https://t.co/GxRuKKvV9C</a> <a href="https://t.co/Dnpl8hoJw5">pic.twitter.com/Dnpl8hoJw5</a></p>— BBC Sport (@BBCSport) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/982848858421170176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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No goal by either side yet
 
England leading 2-1, about 5 minutes to go.

Pakistan had the lead but they squandered it.
 
Pakistan draws with England 2-2 ! Very good performance against 7th ranked England.
 
Still very difficult to qualify for semifinals. Should have beaten Wales.
 
Two loser slides trying to decide who is less bad!!!!

Let's face it. Forget about Aus, Germany and Netherlands (the traditional non-Asian powers), now we can't even beat Belgium and Argentina (the new contenders).

Probably because Belgium and Argentina happen to be two of the top-3 sides? India is ranked #6 and Pakistan are #13. So there is no need to decid who is less bad, it is way too obvious.
 
Olympic Gold Medals >>> Hockey World Cup

India has 8. :))

Many of them pre Independence I believe:rp After Independence we have owned you at Hockey at Cricket!:srt See the Indo-Pak one on one Cricket record. We are way ahead again.
 
Btw, I am talking about your current Hockey team, should have been obvious, no?

I am talking about the overall record. Come back when independent India has won 4 world cups! British India doesn't count:)):))
 
I am talking about the overall record. Come back when independent India has won 4 world cups! British India doesn't count:)):))

PAK was a good economy i guess till late 80's when AFG was invaded & Kashmir insurgency started, it used to compete & perform better in all aspects related to growth, sports to IND.
 
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You have not won 5 Hockey World Cup's only 1. We have won 4 Hockey World Cup's after independence. That is 3 more then your India.

You replied to post where it read Olympic GOLD medals in field hockey, to which i replied we have 8 (3 + 5)

Poor comprehension?
 
You replied to post where it read Olympic GOLD medals in field hockey, to which i replied we have 8 (3 + 5)

Poor comprehension?

I was replying to the guy who was boasting how great your Hockey was by reminding him we have won the WC 4 times. You are well behind us in that.
 
Agreed. Asian hockey needs sponsors and domestic leagues to bring quality back like what IND did since 2012/13. These are the current world rankings -

AUS
ARG
BEL
NED
GER
IND
ENG
ESP
NZ
IRE
CAN

Except India no Asian team is in top 10 :(

PAK vs ENG today is crucial for you folks having already played 2 draws, do or die! We have a game vs Wales today, need to win big.

Honestly, this modern hockey that is being played today has become a joke. Europeans and Australians in their quest to subdue subcontinental style have completely ruined the game. They have completely taken the individual skill and stickwork out of it. There is no more charm left in hockey. At one time it had potential to be among the top global sports because of its similarity with football but now it has become just another Olympic sport.

Most people believe that induction of artificial turf led to the downfall of Asian hockey but that is wrong. If anything, artificial turf enabled asian(subcontinental) players to perform stickwork at even faster pace. The change which effected the game most is abolition of offside rule. It has taken dribbling(which is the strength of asians and charm of hockey) out of equation. No offside rule and the unlimited substitutions rule has ensured that there will be no more superstars in hockey. Random players are now scoring goals and as a result now game lacks superstars. Pakistan's Rizwan Sr and India's SV Sunil are among the best players in the world right now when it comes to individual skill but they hardly effect the games and carve out wins for their countries.

India has done well by conducting different leagues, brought in Foreign coaches and money in the game but I feel India is taking too much satisfaction that it is ahead of Pakistan. I do not know whether India has same amount of influence on FIH as it has on ICC but it should look to revise rules of the game to bring the beauty of hockey back. If tomorrow, offside rule is enforced again, Pakistan and India will be fighting for gold in every tournament and rest of the teams will only be playing catch up.

No matter how hard India and Pakistan tries in the present set-up, it will be almost impossible to achieve greatness of the past.
 
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PAK was a good economy i guess till late 80's when AFG was invaded & Kashmir insurgency started, it used to compete & perform better in all aspects related to growth, sports to IND.

We were much better at you in most Sports. Ruled Hockey and Squash also had a great Cricket side. Not one to live on past glories I believe great times are ahead for Pakistan, insha Allah. It all starts with a good clean government in Islamabad.
 
Honestly, this modern hockey that is being played today has become a joke. Europeans and Australians in their quest to subdue subcontinental style have completely ruined the game. They have completely taken the individual skill and stickwork out of it. There is no more charm left in hockey. At one time it had potential to be among the top global sports because of its similarity with football but now it has become just another Olympic sport.

Most people believe that induction of artificial turf led to the downfall of Asian hockey but that is wrong. If anything, artificial turf enabled asian(subcontinental) players to perform stickwork at even faster pace. The change which effected the game most is abolition of offside rule. It has taken dribbling(which is the strength of asians and charm of hockey) out of equation. No offside rule and the unlimited substitutions rule has ensured that there will be no more superstars in hockey. Random players are now scoring goals and as a result now game lacks superstars. Pakistan's Rizwan Sr and India's SV Sunil are among the best players in the world right now when it comes to individual skill but they hardly effect the games and carve out wins for their countries.

India has done well by conducting different leagues, brought in Foreign coaches and money in the game but I feel India is taking too much satisfaction that it is ahead of Pakistan. I do not know whether India has same amount of influence on FIH as it has on ICC but it should look to revise rules of the game to bring the beauty of hockey back. If tomorrow, offside rule is enforced again, Pakistan and India will be fighting for gold in every tournament and rest of the teams will only be playing catch up.

No matter how hard India and Pakistan tries in the present set-up, it will be almost impossible to achieve greatness of the past.

I will talk about IND hockey, from mid 90's to late 2010's we had a horrendous period, we even failed to qualify for 2008 olympics and touched our lowest ebb. Things started to change post 2010, money was pumped and private leagues were launched (dividing the game into 4 quarters was our idea) this helped immensely for Asian players who were getting outrun by Europeans in latter parts of the game. Now we have 12-14 sides which are competitive in field hockey so it's not easy to win GOLD but apart from AUS who are going through a golden period other teams are defeat-able on a given day, so we are hopeful that we will win silverware soon.

2010, 2014 CWG we won SILVER
2012, 2016 champions trophy finished 4th, 2nd respectively
2010, 2014 asian games finished 3rd and 1st respectively
Won GOLD in 2016 Asian champion trophy
Finished 3rd in world league last 2 times

Last Olympics, world cup we finished 8th, 9th which are bad results and are on track for a better show next time around. IHF does have some clout in FIH but not the extent of BCCI on ICC.
 
I will talk about IND hockey, from mid 90's to late 2010's we had a horrendous period, we even failed to qualify for 2008 olympics and touched our lowest ebb. Things started to change post 2010, money was pumped and private leagues were launched (dividing the game into 4 quarters was our idea) this helped immensely for Asian players who were getting outrun by Europeans in latter parts of the game. Now we have 12-14 sides which are competitive in field hockey so it's not easy to win GOLD but apart from AUS who are going through a golden period other teams are defeat-able on a given day, so we are hopeful that we will win silverware soon.

2010, 2014 CWG we won SILVER
2012, 2016 champions trophy finished 4th, 2nd respectively
2010, 2014 asian games finished 3rd and 1st respectively
Won GOLD in 2016 Asian champion trophy
Finished 3rd in world league last 2 times

Last Olympics, world cup we finished 8th, 9th which are bad results and are on track for a better show next time around. IHF does have some clout in FIH but not the extent of BCCI on ICC.

Hockey is unwatchable now. No skill, all about strength and stamina. I was watching the England -India women's hockey game, it was such a dull affair and rather shocking to see such poor stick skill on display.

Whoever thought of taking offside rule out of the equation should be shot.

You get to the D and look for opponents foot and then you get a chance to have a strike on goal .... this is what hockey is now reduced to.
 
I will talk about IND hockey, from mid 90's to late 2010's we had a horrendous period, we even failed to qualify for 2008 olympics and touched our lowest ebb. Things started to change post 2010, money was pumped and private leagues were launched (dividing the game into 4 quarters was our idea) this helped immensely for Asian players who were getting outrun by Europeans in latter parts of the game. Now we have 12-14 sides which are competitive in field hockey so it's not easy to win GOLD but apart from AUS who are going through a golden period other teams are defeat-able on a given day, so we are hopeful that we will win silverware soon.

2010, 2014 CWG we won SILVER
2012, 2016 champions trophy finished 4th, 2nd respectively
2010, 2014 asian games finished 3rd and 1st respectively
Won GOLD in 2016 Asian champion trophy
Finished 3rd in world league last 2 times

Last Olympics, world cup we finished 8th, 9th which are bad results and are on track for a better show next time around. IHF does have some clout in FIH but not the extent of BCCI on ICC.

These tournaments that you have mentioned hold no special significance. Pakistan won gold in 2010 asian games and bronze in 2012 CT but it means nothing. Most of the top teams test their younger players and treat these tournaments as preparation for Olympics and World cups where both India and Pakistan perform badly.

If India can bring in 4 quarter rule, it can also use its influence in bringing offside rule back but I feel India is not doing that because of Pakistan. Anyways, rules are skewed against us asians. Sponsorships and money might improve things a bit but I do not see either of India and Pakistan winning olympic gold or worldcup in this modern day hockey.
 
These tournaments that you have mentioned hold no special significance. Pakistan won gold in 2010 asian games and bronze in 2012 CT but it means nothing. Most of the top teams test their younger players and treat these tournaments as preparation for Olympics and World cups where both India and Pakistan perform badly.

If India can bring in 4 quarter rule, it can also use its influence in bringing offside rule back but I feel India is not doing that because of Pakistan. Anyways, rules are skewed against us asians. Sponsorships and money might improve things a bit but I do not see either of India and Pakistan winning olympic gold or worldcup in this modern day hockey.

They need to invest in modern techniques like the British cyclists or what the Spanish did throughout in their sport from the early 2000s.
 
When is a draw a win? For this Pakistan team, it's when coming back from 0-2 down to draw against India after the siren in their Commonwealth Games preliminary match at Labrador.

India were 2-1 up with just seconds left when Pakistan twice went to the video referrals to earn penalty corners, the second of which was buried by 20-year-old Ali Mubashar.

Two green cards and four yellow cards were brandished in what proved a typically spiky match between the arch-rivals.

The video referral that led to the penalty corner was contentious and the mainly pro-Indian crowd was quick to voice its disappointment.

But not Pakistan coach Roelant Oltmans, who gave a wry smile when asked how it felt to beat a team he previously coached.

Oltmans spent four years with the Indian team after being appointed High Performance Director in 2013 and then moving into a senior coaching role.

“Of course it helps knowing India but I analyse every opponent,” Oltmans said. “At halftime we were 2-nil down but we had our opportunities and told our boys we had to continue; I was sure we could keep pressure on them and we got quite a number of penalty corners.”

The Dutchman said India was a strong team, and so he had no trouble turning all his attention to Pakistan when he returned to the top job.

“The only thing important for me is to bring Pakistan back,” he said. “Mentally the boys felt they were strong to come back and they were so focused. Lucky after the final whistle to score a goal, but a good decision from our players to ask for a referral.”

India urged to curb emotions

“We were not happy with the performance. We wanted to win this game. We are disappointed with the result,” said defender Rupinder Pal Singh, slamming India's lack of discipline.

“That's disloyalty to the team, and that's where we need to control our emotions. Sometimes we are so aggressive in our tackles.”

India's Dilpreet Singh scored the opener before penalty corner specialist Harmanpreet Singh put them 2-0 up with a trademark drag flick.

But Muhammad Irfan gave Pakistan a lifeline early in the second half when he tapped in after a counter-attack.

“To come back from 2-0 is a team effort,” said Pakistan midfielder Muhammed Rizwan.

"It's a learning process, as there are lots of new guys, and we've only been with our coach for two-and-a-half weeks."

Pakistan, a three-time Olympic and four-time World Cup champion, failed to qualify for the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro and is currently ranked No. 13 in the world.

That's well below eight-time Olympic gold medalist India, the highest ranked team in Asia at No. 6.

Regardless of the rankings, though, the Indo-Pak contests are always tense despite what Oltmans says.

“Look off the field, these boys know each other very well in the (athletes) village [and] they play table tennis or billiards,” he said. “When they take the field they have healthy competition, this is what you want.”

But when the 63-year-old Oltmans, an Olympic-winning coach with the Netherlands who can be intense or charming depending on the result, almost skips over to a news conference after a game, it's fairly clear a 2-2 draw can feel like a victory.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1400154/p...india-at-commonwealth-games-has-feel-of-a-win

We have been thrashed recently by India in Hockey games, some insane high scoring thrashing like 5-0 or 4-0, our hockey is a joke now and India is a much more superior side
 
These tournaments that you have mentioned hold no special significance. Pakistan won gold in 2010 asian games and bronze in 2012 CT but it means nothing. Most of the top teams test their younger players and treat these tournaments as preparation for Olympics and World cups where both India and Pakistan perform badly.

If India can bring in 4 quarter rule, it can also use its influence in bringing offside rule back but I feel India is not doing that because of Pakistan. Anyways, rules are skewed against us asians. Sponsorships and money might improve things a bit but I do not see either of India and Pakistan winning olympic gold or worldcup in this modern day hockey.

Do not give up. It's our national sport, champions trophy & world league are not testing grounds, they do have significance. Would love to see an India vs Pak olympic finals :)
 
They need to invest in modern techniques like the British cyclists or what the Spanish did throughout in their sport from the early 2000s.

Agreed. Around 2010 or so IND team was so bad that players were not able to last full 70 mins and giving goals in the last 10 to lose to sides like SA/ CAN. Currently we are 6th, with little more effort we can breakthrough to top 4 which will put us in contention for medals.
 
Pakistan held England off to a 2-2 draw in their third Hockey game on Sunday in the Commonwealth Games 2018 being played at Gold Coast, Australia.

All three of their games have been draws; Pakistan opened the tournament with a 1-1 draw against Wales and managed another in a thrilling game against India on Saturday.

Goalless at half, the first goal of the match came when Pakistan's Arsalan Qadir scored a field goal in the third quarter. However, Pakistan could not maintain their lead for long as Englishman Mark Gleghorne converted a penalty corner the very next minute.

Another goal conversion on a penalty corner — this time by Sam Ward — put England in lead in the fourth quarter.

But Ali Mubashar — in a repeat of yesterday's feat against India — converted a penalty corner just three minutes before the final whistle to help Pakistan manage a draw against the English side.

Both sides played with aggression which resulted in three green cards and three yellow cards being shown in the match.

Pakistan are now ranked third in pool B of the tournament with only a game against Malaysia remaining to be played on April 11. The results have dimmed Pakistan's hopes of reaching the semis as Malaysia, currently with the same points as Pakistan, have two games in hands while arch-rivals India have three.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1400348/c...ther-draw-for-pakistan-as-england-held-to-2-2
 
We have been thrashed recently by India in Hockey games, some insane high scoring thrashing like 5-0 or 4-0, our hockey is a joke now and India is a much more superior side

Just to let you know, the recent thrashing that Pakistan got at the hands of India was with a second string side with plenty of debutants and newbies. If I remember correctly, we even lost against Wales and Ireland and as a result, our rankings took a hit.

Pakistani and Indian players are almost equal when it comes to skill level. India is slightly ahead as a team because they have adopted to modern hockey better than Pakistan.
 
If Pakistan beats Malaysia, Malaysia beats India and England beats India, we can go through.:ma
 
Just to let you know, the recent thrashing that Pakistan got at the hands of India was with a second string side with plenty of debutants and newbies. If I remember correctly, we even lost against Wales and Ireland and as a result, our rankings took a hit.

Pakistani and Indian players are almost equal when it comes to skill level. India is slightly ahead as a team because they have adopted to modern hockey better than Pakistan.

Fitness, tactics are all obsolete for Pakistan. If it weren't for penalty corners we would hardly get half our goals.... We don't get our salaries paid for 8 months due.

One tournament I clearly remember the PHF said we didn't pay for the fares the hotels our players were staying in.

India used their cricket stars and bollywood to revamp the Indian hockey setup, and start their own hockey league. They've been successful in doing that.

No hockey player in Pakistan has been notable since Sohail Abbasi.
 
Also a thrashing is a thrashing, the scorelines our social media completely ignores, most of the time we have been thrashed like no tomorrow by India, I am surprised its even dubbed a competition anymore between these two sides.
 
Fitness, tactics are all obsolete for Pakistan. If it weren't for penalty corners we would hardly get half our goals.... We don't get our salaries paid for 8 months due.

One tournament I clearly remember the PHF said we didn't pay for the fares the hotels our players were staying in.

India used their cricket stars and bollywood to revamp the Indian hockey setup, and start their own hockey league. They've been successful in doing that.

No hockey player in Pakistan has been notable since Sohail Abbasi.

You do not know what you are talking about. Penalty corner is the most important aspect of hockey when it comes to goal scoring. Infact we are lacking a reliable drag flicker and our conversion rate of penalty corners has gone down.

I agree that Indian hockey setup is far more professional than Pakistans' (which is pathetic to say the least). Indian hockey league has helped there players immensely where as our players prefer to play leagues in Europe instead of representing their country because of payment issues.

Our current captain, Rizwan Sr did not played due to league commitment along with many other top Pakistani players in the recent Asia cup where we got thrashed twice by India. Same was the case in World hockey league where we recieved thrashing. Despite all the facilities India has, top strength team of Pakistan is equal to India's terms of skills while India is better tactically. This will be more evident when both teams will meet again on 23 june.

Lastly his name is Sohail Abbas not Abbasi. We have produced many noticeable players after him. Shakeel Abbasi, Rehan Butt, Shafqat Rasool and Rizwan Sr to name a few.
 
You do not know what you are talking about. Penalty corner is the most important aspect of hockey when it comes to goal scoring. Infact we are lacking a reliable drag flicker and our conversion rate of penalty corners has gone down.

I agree that Indian hockey setup is far more professional than Pakistans' (which is pathetic to say the least). Indian hockey league has helped there players immensely where as our players prefer to play leagues in Europe instead of representing their country because of payment issues.

Our current captain, Rizwan Sr did not played due to league commitment along with many other top Pakistani players in the recent Asia cup where we got thrashed twice by India. Same was the case in World hockey league where we recieved thrashing. Despite all the facilities India has, top strength team of Pakistan is equal to India's terms of skills while India is better tactically. This will be more evident when both teams will meet again on 23 june.

Lastly his name is Sohail Abbas not Abbasi. We have produced many noticeable players after him. Shakeel Abbasi, Rehan Butt, Shafqat Rasool and Rizwan Sr to name a few.

Yes Sohail Abbas was a typo... All these names played pretty much in the same era... Shakeel Abbasi was playing recently, however I don't see how this means that our team is better than Indias.. when we are relying on TTF's of hockey for a long time, since no young blood is coming in. A hockey player's shelf life is not the same as a cricketing player's life... since hockey requires you to be more athletic. Our team lacks the fitness to last 70 mins honestly, our sprints are not as good as some of the european players... we don't have the agility despite our stick work being as good as theirs
 
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We have been thrashed recently by India in Hockey games, some insane high scoring thrashing like 5-0 or 4-0, our hockey is a joke now and India is a much more superior side

The last 4 games before CWG were been lost by a combined margin of 15+ goals.


Excellent post by [MENTION=140491]Greenstorm[/MENTION]

Couple of questions
- what makes you think India forced FIH to introduce 15 minute quarters? It was adopted from the Indian league but that was it right?
- doesn't Australia play the Asian style? How do you think they managed to maintain competitiveness?


Greenstorm is right that a lot of these tournaments which our Indian and Pakistani friends are united in celebrating are used for testing by the Europeans.
 
Agreed. Around 2010 or so IND team was so bad that players were not able to last full 70 mins and giving goals in the last 10 to lose to sides like SA/ CAN. Currently we are 6th, with little more effort we can breakthrough to top 4 which will put us in contention for medals.

Gap between us and Belgium/Arg/NL/Germany is quite big and I am not talking about ranking points.

Us and England are now in a tier of our own where we are clearly better than the teams below like Korea/Malaysia but clearly worse than the ones above us.
 
Ab yeh din agaye hain ke England aur Wales se draw karna bari baat hai :facepalm:


Pakistan hockey has really gone to the dogs. Nobody even plays hockey anymore, I bet they struggled to assemble 15 boys for this tournament.
 
Ab yeh din agaye hain ke England aur Wales se draw karna bari baat hai :facepalm:


Pakistan hockey has really gone to the dogs. Nobody even plays hockey anymore, I bet they struggled to assemble 15 boys for this tournament.


Drawing with a full strength England is one of Pakistan hockey's best results in recent times.

Olympics mein qualify bhi nahin kiya tha do saal pehle.
 
Are u there?

When did the person you are quoting ever claim that India won't make it to the semis or Pakistan would?

Most Pakistanis know that our team needs a lot of work and is probably at it's lowest point, so this needless chest thumping makes no sense,
 
When did the person you are quoting ever claim that India won't make it to the semis or Pakistan would?

Most Pakistanis know that our team needs a lot of work and is probably at it's lowest point, so this needless chest thumping makes no sense,

Just having fun, dont get your panties in a bunch!
 
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