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Agreed.. So far, emphasis on so far, IK has played this perfectly imo.
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Agreed.. So far, emphasis on so far, IK has played this perfectly imo.
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Excellent post but I will caution that there is only so much restraint.
India went for a misadventure on Tuesday and got a massive slap in the face the next day.
Now they are trying a new tactic - shelling civilian populated areas because they have run out of options.
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We can see your humanity.
Even if for once we assume Pakistan had something to do with the local Indian Kashmiri attacking an Indian military convoy, only in a sick and evil mind would an appropriate response be to use modern military weapons indiscriminately against civilian population.
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I've mentioned the bolded bit before and originally condemned Pakistan for it after India first retaliated. I didnt consider India's first foray into Pakistan an issue for that reason. There was no need to continue doing it however, and it doesnt justify todays events when efforts were made and olive branches extended which you could have taken to prevent tonights deaths, instead you caused death yourself. Well done.
PS - dunno who this Donald guy is.
Its a forum and I take interest in Kashmir due to its similarities with our own past conflict. Also, even if I was from somewhere else, its a forum. The entire point of this place is to discuss stuff. As you say Im just a no name nobody thousands of miles away nobody should care about. Why you getting upset? I dont pretend otherwiseAnd neither have I claimed to be an expert. I normally veer well clear of this stuff, but this is big news atm, hence I wanna learn.
As for my own personal standpoint I always strive for a balanced view. Two days ago pakistanis were accusing me of being a typical western ignorant who just follows media blindly, now I hate India
Truth is I couldnt give a damn about sides, the conflict interests me and I can give my opinion on it. If you feel im uneducated, maybe direct me to information then.Its somewhat telling you resort to petty insults and childish bullying instead. And when I say information I mean genuine sources. I treat unverified sensationalist dirge the same whether it be Pakistani or Indian.
To summarise again. Pakistan funding terrorism in the area is ******** and reprehensible. I do think the original act that started this came as a result of that. India were entitled to respond and did so, killing nobody too but simultaneously sending a message. Job done.
Got cocky, went over the border again, got shot down. Image damaged. Pakistan couldve executed those soldiers but instead showed some guts, gave one back and the other is receiving care to my knowledge. That shouldve been taken as a genuine gesture and the tensions eased.
Instead you have intentionally attacked it seems civilian areas, which is never ever justifiable, and reescalated things. If the other pilot was your concern whos still injured, why the eff would you attack the nation currently treating him? Pakistan are entitled to respond to that.
If ending massacres of Indian soldiers was your real aim, and I mean your real one, you would know just as well as anyone else that that solution lies nowhere near bombing anything. It lies in listening to the people there and making some compromises with them to reach a deal. No other way.
And just so you know, everyone's opinion on a forum is ultimately worthless, especially mine and including yours
FWIW I aint even remotely emotional over this. Far more people have and will continue to die elsewhere that I wont ever even hear about. This is just me expressing an opinion and taking an interest in the world. Dont like it? Feel more than free to ignore. It aint gonna bother me.
Donal you need to realise that Modi is an extremist. He’s got baggage regarding his alleged involvement of killings thousands of Muslims in Gujarat 2002.
This guy can’t even control extremist elements in his own party and I doubt he has any courage to make peaceful steps.
Imran as demonstrated already is willing to deescalate and hold talks but no he will not surrender to whatever India wants.
You guys thought the same after Peshawar school attack ?
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Did young Pakistani kids In Peshawar opress people? Comparing apples to oranges.
What perfectly ? He hasn't expressed regret over causing loss of life in Pulwama through a terrorist attack.. he even went on to hint that it was India's own act (please see his speech in Parl ), but fell short of saying the exact thing. Shameful and disgusting act from a former cricketer who was given so much love and respect by us every time he visited India.
You remember the terrorists in Peshawar attack used the line "Now you will know how does it feel to lose your children" .. also remember, Indians showed so much sympathy on that act. It is disappointing to note that Pakistanis are gleeful on Pulwama.
I've mentioned the bolded bit before and originally condemned Pakistan for it after India first retaliated. I didnt consider India's first foray into Pakistan an issue for that reason. There was no need to continue doing it however, and it doesnt justify todays events when efforts were made and olive branches extended which you could have taken to prevent tonights deaths, instead you caused death yourself. Well done.
PS - dunno who this Donald guy is.
Its a forum and I take interest in Kashmir due to its similarities with our own past conflict. Also, even if I was from somewhere else, its a forum. The entire point of this place is to discuss stuff. As you say Im just a no name nobody thousands of miles away nobody should care about. Why you getting upset? I dont pretend otherwise
As for my own personal standpoint I always strive for a balanced view. Two days ago pakistanis were accusing me of being a typical western ignorant who just follows media blindly, now I hate India
Truth is I couldnt give a damn about sides, the conflict interests me and I can give my opinion on it. If you feel im uneducated, maybe direct me to information then.Its somewhat telling you resort to petty insults and childish bullying instead. And when I say information I mean genuine sources. I treat unverified sensationalist dirge the same whether it be Pakistani or Indian.
To summarise again. Pakistan funding terrorism in the area is ******** and reprehensible. I do think the original act that started this came as a result of that. India were entitled to respond and did so, killing nobody too but simultaneously sending a message. Job done.
Got cocky, went over the border again, got shot down. Image damaged. Pakistan couldve executed those soldiers but instead showed some guts, gave one back and the other is receiving care to my knowledge. That shouldve been taken as a genuine gesture and the tensions eased.
Instead you have intentionally attacked it seems civilian areas, which is never ever justifiable, and reescalated things. If the other pilot was your concern whos still injured, why the eff would you attack the nation currently treating him? Pakistan are entitled to respond to that.
If ending massacres of Indian soldiers was your real aim, and I mean your real one, you would know just as well as anyone else that that solution lies nowhere near bombing anything. It lies in listening to the people there and making some compromises with them to reach a deal. No other way.
And just so you know, everyone's opinion on a forum is ultimately worthless, especially mine and including yours
FWIW I aint even remotely emotional over this. Far more people have and will continue to die elsewhere that I wont ever even hear about. This is just me expressing an opinion and taking an interest in the world. Dont like it? Feel more than free to ignore. It aint gonna bother me.
Your opinions are irrelevant, not just for you not being involved but also being uninformed. I don’t care what gets you interested in this conflict but if you insinuate a religious tone as you did with your high class comment, you are adding fuel to a fire and deserve to be called out.
For the load of gibberish you wrote, have you bothered looking at the LOC maps? You will realise why both the armies choose to attack in specific sectors and areas.
For the pilots, good stuff from IK. For the second pilot can you share concrete evidence? You know you can look at Indian army personnel info online. Can you share his details please?
Also did you bother looking at the CNN interview? So should we accept the olive branch when they openly admit to hosting a wanted terrorist?
If you plan to write a long winded reply with smileys and no content, please atleast try to look up the points I have listed twice now. Should give you the Indian perspective on the conflict, Something you are so keenly interested in. If not, please don’t bother quoting me, I won’t respond
4 Indian soldiers died from a counter terror op today. This is besides the guys being killed along the LOC and the civilians being killed on the Indian side too. Please don’t assume either side are angels here.
Also FYI Indian military circles were abuzz about Pakistan using ATGM against our forward posts 2 nights back. That was the reason behind a few forward posts being vacated by the IA. I am sure you didn’t hear about it.
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Comparing an attack on children in a school in Peshawer.
God forbid something like that happened in New Delhi Pakistanis would be the first to fight such animals.
But you're comparing this with an attack on a MILITARY unit on an OCCUPIED territory.
I still sympathize with the loss of life. It is unfortunate and sad but you can't compare the two.
I doubt anyone thought the actions over the last week was to get a quick end to the conflict. It was more about sending a message to Pakistan that this low intensity attrition war should stop. I believe the worst of this engagement is behind us. The engagement tonight should hopefully be the last of it.
As far as what you think you know about me or why my country men voted, I am not here to correct your ill founded biases.
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Lol. Immaturity of people like you and IK has been exposed. Trying to suck up and get credit and accolades while giving away a massive asset for free. I called this yesterday but the liberals and softies never understand.
What about attacks on Amarnath bus in Kashmir ?
All the countries in the world called Pulwama a terrorist attack but somehow Pakistan views good terrorists and bad terrorists differently. This attitude will never help peace between us.
Watched enough Indian news and seen many Bhakths repeating the same to know why most Hindutva voted for him.
As far as this conflict is concerned, India gained nothing but humiliation and embarrassment.
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Stupid is as stupid does, India doing an 'Israel' here. Indian media will most likely shout about killing another 100 terrorists later
Playing with words.
Spinning the narrative.
An old tactics from hindutva nationalists.
Pakistan said, he is Kashmiri, car was from Kashmiri.
And if you provide actionable evidence we will take action.
Pakistani also condemned that attack.
Pakistan also said that India need to take a hard look at themselves of why youth of Kashmir is being radicalized.
You have no leg to stand against those statement so don’t even try it
I am yet to see Pakistani PM condemning such a terrorist attack .. only justification was given.. he even went to the extent of hinting it was India's own act, but fell just short of saying it.
Anyway, this good terrorist/bad terrorist game will bite you in the end, as it has previously.
Provide an evidence or hush up and apologize for lying.
Just like rise in radicalized extremists Hinduism will destroy India.
Pak has seen the consequence and have fought well against it.
Like I said provide an evidence where PM hasn’t condemned or hush up and apologize.
Ladies and gentlemen these are the miss guided and ignorant hindutva we are dealing with.
Simple YouTube search would make you look stupid .
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Did you watch his speech in Parliament "main yeh nahi kahta ki India ka job hai" ..
Like I’ve said provide evidence where he did not condemn it.
If your job here is to debate then please come with evidence.
If you’re here to spin the narrative in India’s favor then you’re doing extremely poor job but it won’t matter to hindutva, so if you believe those are your only audience then you don’t have to work hard.
But with rest of us, always come back with authentic evidence to further your narrative.
Good luck
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Youve ignored every point I made, made me aware of some new stuff but by and large I mentioned the main criticism being the attack on innocent men women and children, you then started throwing personal insults about and then expected me to have ridiculously in depth knowledge on something I openly admitted to being way on the periphery of. This is my final post on the matter too because I prefer to read here, contributing occasionally, as opposed to getting involved in lengthy arguing over the same things. Especially when you ignore repeatedly my points, berate me for not being an encyclopedia of knowledge and then dont provide that knowledge even though I said, screw it, let me have a look and read.
Pakistan harbouring terrorists is bad, disgusting, awful. I can very much see why that causes massive amounts of anger and it must cause a lot of pain for people affected by terrorism.
But pray tell, does that mean all these innocent people dead today deserved it? Did the soldiers on both sides who've died this week deserve death due to that? Will killing other people a) end everything and bring peace or b) create ten more terrorists for every one killed. What do you think?
Anyway this has gone on enough as youve said. Reply or not, I mostly wanna read and discuss stuff, not argue. And I will admit I am not knowledgeable enough to be debating anyone on any in depth details of this, hence why I keep it to the broader picture.
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When you hint at the act being done by India themselves and then say I am not saying it.. is it condemnation ? He justified the act by asking India to introspect why Kashmiri boys are getting into that.. as always a terror sympathiser.
If he had appealed to Kashmiri youth whom he cares so much about, and told them that it is not the way to fight .. I would have appreciated him, but no such thing I could hear.
I watched his 3 addresses to India and I could not see anything which looked like condemnation of Adil Ahmad Dar or his act/ideology.
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What's the source of your updates?
I honestly dont understand why Indians blame all of their problems on Pakistan. Imagine having to live under constant scrutiny by the military police? How would you act if your rights were being violated every day? I am no expert but I imagine if I was living in a place like that I would not like it at all. Indians need to get to the root cause of the issue with kashmiris and work on that. You cant keep blaming Pakistan for everything it's not the 90s anymore. Its human nature to resist oppression.
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What are you smoking?
Why should be condemn Dar? As in, he is a resident of IOK and he had issues with the Indian Army.
Pakistan has no control over Indian occupied Kashmir nor control over the people of Kashmir.
Pakistan said provide actionable evidence
Like I’ve said, your nation have been fooled by your own war hawks, warmonger without a regard of any Indian life or any life.
Provide an evidence where he has not condemned it once, I would say a televised speech to Pakistan before radicalized extremists Hindu lunatic decided to do cowardly strike against the trees of Pakistan.
Good luck
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Relieved to know most of the pictures/videos are fabricated! Hopefully the news about casualties is also fabricated..
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Innalillahi wa inna ilihi rajioon.
May Allah grant the deceased brothers and sisters Jannat-ul-Firdose.
I hope the Pak army is being moral here and ensuring that civilians are not caught in the crossfires. May the monsters in the Indian army burn in Hell for an eternity for the blood they have spilled after one of their own was treated so well by Pakistan.
May Allah grant the deceased brothers and sisters Jannat-ul-Firdose.
I hope the Pak army is being moral here and ensuring that civilians are not caught in the crossfires. May the monsters in the Indian army burn in Hell for an eternity for the blood they have spilled after one of their own was treated so well by Pakistan.
So it was just an exercise to paint Indian army as aggressors or is there some truth to it ? Are people in Mirpur Dadyal region suffering some casualties ?
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AJK teenager dead, 3 injured in shelling by Indian troops across LoC
A teenager was killed and three other civilians injured in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) as “ruthless shelling” by Indian troops from across the restive Line of Control (LoC) continued on Friday, officials said.
The casualties occurred in Kotli district where the LoC was calm since the morning but became “hot” in the afternoon after Indian troops resorted to heavy mortar and artillery shelling, they added.
The shelling comes as Pakistan and India reel from a week of high escalation which had raised fears of an all-out war after the Pakistan Air Force shot down two Indian aircraft for violating Pakistani airspace.
Analysts expected the situation to de-escalate Friday evening as Prime Minister Imran Khan released a captured Indian pilot, in an overture towards New Delhi.
'Intense shelling'
“The shelling was so intense that two to three mortar shells also fell in the main market of tehsil headquarters Nakyal,” said Dr Umer Azam, the deputy commissioner of Kotli.
According to residents, the last time Nakyal bazaar was hit by Indian shelling was in 2002, a year before the truce agreement between the rival troops.
Azam said splinters of a shell pierced a 19-year-old man, Muhammad Sudhir, who was standing at Parawa Chowk in the bazaar, and killed him on the spot.
Elsewhere in the district, Asjad Akbar, 22, Noreen Akhtar, 30, and Hafza, 14, were injured in Tatta Pani and Goi sectors, he added.
Imran Shaheen, the deputy commissioner of Jhelum Valley district, told Dawn that there had been heavy shelling in Pandu sector after [Thursday-Friday] midnight, causing severe damage to at least eight houses and a shop.
Fortunately, inhabitants of these houses had already been evacuated or else there might have been casualties, he said.
Ghulam Raza Kazmi, a resident of Pahal village in Pandu sector said shelling had started again in his area on Friday evening.
“People are scared, particularly those who do not have protection bunkers in or along their houses,” he said.
Pandu sector runs parallel to Chakothi sector, which is home to one of the three crossing points for trans-LoC travel and trade.
Exchange of mortar shelling was also reported from Samahni sector of Bhimber district, where the Pakistan Air Force had shot down two Indian jets on Wednesday.
“The shelling is intermittent … It has so far caused damage to one house but there are no casualties,” said Bhimber Deputy Commissioner Sardar Khalid Mahmood.
On Thursday, a school building and eleven houses were partially damaged in Bhimber district, apart from damage caused to two vehicles.
According to Shaheen, some 142 families had already fled their homes in the forward locations of Jhelum Valley district and of them, 52 families, comprising 307 people, had been rehabilitated in a government building.
They were being provided cooked food and other necessities by the administration from its own resources, he said.
He said 25 more families had informed them that they too would leave their homes in the vulnerable areas. "We have made arrangements for their habitation in the same building," he added.
Saeed Qureshi, a senior officer at the State Disaster Management Authority (SDMA), said 255 families in Kotli and 18 families in Bhimber had also moved backwards.
However, residents said the actual number of displaced families was much higher as many of them had not got themselves registered with the authorities.
The SDMA official said Friday’s casualties had pushed the number of the deceased and injured AJK civilians since the start of 2019 to 7 and 39, respectively.
The number of partially or completely damaged houses and other buildings was more than 50, he added.
Cash grant for LoC families
In a related development, the AJK government has asked the federal government to sanction a special relief package under the Benazir Income Support Programme (BISP) for the population along the LoC in view of their plight in the face of ceasefire violations by Indian troops.
“Everyday shelling has [a] direct bearing on the livelihood of the LoC residents, as it is damaging their houses, shops, fruit trees and crops … Though the AJK government is taking steps for their welfare, its meagre resources are a big impediment to provision of these services to the entire affected population,” an official handout quoted AJK Chief Secretary Mathar Niaz Rana as saying in a letter to the federal Ministry of Kashmir Affairs and Gilgit-Baltistan.
According to the handout, the chief secretary had pointed out that of the 4.2 million total AJK population, around 503,000 people from 79,992 families were residing along the LoC and were directly exposed to Indian shelling.
At the moment, 13,982 of these families are enrolled as BISP beneficiaries but since all LoC residents deserve special treatment, it would be a welcome gesture by the federal government to add the remaining 66,010 families on the list of the beneficiaries of BISP’s cash grant scheme, the chief secretary wrote.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1467008/a...jured-in-shelling-by-indian-troops-across-loc
A teenager was killed and three other civilians injured in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) as “ruthless shelling” by Indian troops from across the restive Line of Control (LoC) continued on Friday, officials said.
The casualties occurred in Kotli district where the LoC was calm since the morning but became “hot” in the afternoon after Indian troops resorted to heavy mortar and artillery shelling, they added.
The shelling comes as Pakistan and India reel from a week of high escalation which had raised fears of an all-out war after the Pakistan Air Force shot down two Indian aircraft for violating Pakistani airspace.
Analysts expected the situation to de-escalate Friday evening as Prime Minister Imran Khan released a captured Indian pilot, in an overture towards New Delhi.
'Intense shelling'
“The shelling was so intense that two to three mortar shells also fell in the main market of tehsil headquarters Nakyal,” said Dr Umer Azam, the deputy commissioner of Kotli.
According to residents, the last time Nakyal bazaar was hit by Indian shelling was in 2002, a year before the truce agreement between the rival troops.
Azam said splinters of a shell pierced a 19-year-old man, Muhammad Sudhir, who was standing at Parawa Chowk in the bazaar, and killed him on the spot.
Elsewhere in the district, Asjad Akbar, 22, Noreen Akhtar, 30, and Hafza, 14, were injured in Tatta Pani and Goi sectors, he added.
Imran Shaheen, the deputy commissioner of Jhelum Valley district, told Dawn that there had been heavy shelling in Pandu sector after [Thursday-Friday] midnight, causing severe damage to at least eight houses and a shop.
Fortunately, inhabitants of these houses had already been evacuated or else there might have been casualties, he said.
Ghulam Raza Kazmi, a resident of Pahal village in Pandu sector said shelling had started again in his area on Friday evening.
“People are scared, particularly those who do not have protection bunkers in or along their houses,” he said.
Pandu sector runs parallel to Chakothi sector, which is home to one of the three crossing points for trans-LoC travel and trade.
Exchange of mortar shelling was also reported from Samahni sector of Bhimber district, where the Pakistan Air Force had shot down two Indian jets on Wednesday.
“The shelling is intermittent … It has so far caused damage to one house but there are no casualties,” said Bhimber Deputy Commissioner Sardar Khalid Mahmood.
On Thursday, a school building and eleven houses were partially damaged in Bhimber district, apart from damage caused to two vehicles.
According to Shaheen, some 142 families had already fled their homes in the forward locations of Jhelum Valley district and of them, 52 families, comprising 307 people, had been rehabilitated in a government building.
They were being provided cooked food and other necessities by the administration from its own resources, he said.
He said 25 more families had informed them that they too would leave their homes in the vulnerable areas. "We have made arrangements for their habitation in the same building," he added.
Saeed Qureshi, a senior officer at the State Disaster Management Authority (SDMA), said 255 families in Kotli and 18 families in Bhimber had also moved backwards.
However, residents said the actual number of displaced families was much higher as many of them had not got themselves registered with the authorities.
The SDMA official said Friday’s casualties had pushed the number of the deceased and injured AJK civilians since the start of 2019 to 7 and 39, respectively.
The number of partially or completely damaged houses and other buildings was more than 50, he added.
Cash grant for LoC families
In a related development, the AJK government has asked the federal government to sanction a special relief package under the Benazir Income Support Programme (BISP) for the population along the LoC in view of their plight in the face of ceasefire violations by Indian troops.
“Everyday shelling has [a] direct bearing on the livelihood of the LoC residents, as it is damaging their houses, shops, fruit trees and crops … Though the AJK government is taking steps for their welfare, its meagre resources are a big impediment to provision of these services to the entire affected population,” an official handout quoted AJK Chief Secretary Mathar Niaz Rana as saying in a letter to the federal Ministry of Kashmir Affairs and Gilgit-Baltistan.
According to the handout, the chief secretary had pointed out that of the 4.2 million total AJK population, around 503,000 people from 79,992 families were residing along the LoC and were directly exposed to Indian shelling.
At the moment, 13,982 of these families are enrolled as BISP beneficiaries but since all LoC residents deserve special treatment, it would be a welcome gesture by the federal government to add the remaining 66,010 families on the list of the beneficiaries of BISP’s cash grant scheme, the chief secretary wrote.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1467008/a...jured-in-shelling-by-indian-troops-across-loc
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Not sure how reliable the news coming out of Twitter is, but Dawn is definitely reporting Indian shelling in Kotli, one casualty.
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The filth and disgrace of Indian government was in full show yesterday. They didn't even respect the day when their pilot was released with honor by Pakistan and attacked civilians in Azad Kashmir through shelling and firing at LOC.
The current Indian setup deserves humiliation and I pray Kashmiris teach them a lesson of lifetime.
The current Indian setup deserves humiliation and I pray Kashmiris teach them a lesson of lifetime.
What lesson ?
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Indian Government wants to be the judge, Jury and Executioner at the same time, so be it, time for Pakistan to do the same.
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There's definitely fire exchange and shelling going on. How hot is the tension is debatable.
And IK did the right decision. Modi was never going to de-escalate
And IK did the right decision. Modi was never going to de-escalate
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India has just deployed their Scorpene Submarine. What the heck is Modi doing?
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As an individual, I'll always be grateful to Imran for his decision to release Abhinandan. My respect for him has increased 10 folds now.
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Source?
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If it was solely his decision, then yes.
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So apparently indians are now targeting civilians and the Indians on this thread are still busy trying to find loopholes and justify themselves.
Disgusting and heinous.NOTHING and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING justifies civilian shelling.
Disgusting and heinous.NOTHING and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING justifies civilian shelling.
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If you think keeping the pilot would have made any difference you don't understand this whole episode. Modi needs a successful victory over Pakistan for his election prospects, that is why he was never going to settle for a drubbing handed out to Indian airforce in the initial exchanges. I called THAT at the time.
You might think the pilot being handed over was a weak gesture, but as you have seen even in this thread, the neutrals like Gilly and Cozzie have also seen it as an attempt to de-escalate which India has ignored. That was the point of it, for the rest of the world to see what is happening.
Pakistan keeps talking about de-escalation but does not take any action on the terrorists.. military aggression was always shown by India this time, so not doing military exercise is not a new step for Pakistan.
If Pakistan is serious, it should take appropriate action against JeM .
If Pakistan is serious, it should take appropriate action against JeM .
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Imran Khan has clearly asked your Govt to sit down,talk and provide the evidece they believe they have against JM and Pakistan will make sure to act.
But what is your Govt doing?Ignoring phone calls and shelling civilians.Stop telling us what to do.Shut up and focus on what you as a nation should do.
Dossier has been provided.. though I think Pakistan should investigate themselves.. why rely on India to provide evidence?
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Because burden of proof is always on the claimant.
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Pakistan is a state.. it should form the case if terror activities are being carried out on it's soil. Present the case to the court . India is a victim.. it's not India's job to provide evidence if Pakistan is serious.
26/11 is the same.. it's Pakistan's duty to bring them to task.
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Since india was so sure and they did a "surgical strike" iam sure giving Pakistan the evidence would have been no big deal. I understand that the right wing Indians need Pakistan to look like the evil nation, to win seats but ask yourself ever since PTI came to power they had nothing but the best intentions for peace. Your government doesent want that because it would mean losing the elections.
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And our High commision offices have clesely stated that as soon as it reaches Islamabad and is reviewed Pakistan will reveal their statements and if there is anything of evidence they will take action so stop blaming us for not taking action as our PM clearly said that we will take action not to appease Indians but because it is not in our best interests that our soil be used to carry out heinous acts.
Secondly we have not claimed that Pulawama attack was our resposibility.We do not believe that and so why should we investigate that.Your Governement and your media has maintained from the start that Pakistan is involved and it is upto them to provide evidence or else it is just all talk and no substance.
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Also India after this scenario is a proven liar.
They first refused to take claim if any of IAF Personnel was missing, They claimed attack on some terror group while all they had was bunch of palm trees.
Such a country can't even be taken seriously.
They first refused to take claim if any of IAF Personnel was missing, They claimed attack on some terror group while all they had was bunch of palm trees.
Such a country can't even be taken seriously.
Come on.. you guys know it already .. why do you need India to provide evidence for the action of your citizen ? If he committed the act in Pakistan, would ISI or Pakistani agencies not gather enough evidences against him themselves ? Are you telling me that Pakistani govt and establishment is unaware of what Masood Azhar is doing, and only when India offers evidence of some phone calls it will come to know of it ?
The incident occured in Indian side of Kashmir, how can we possibly investigate if we dont know exactly what clues you have that are pointing towards Pakistan? India blamed the job was done by Pakistan. I mean you must have already investigated this yourself before pointing the blame on Pakistan. Just hand over that piece of investigation to Pakistan so we can continue from where you have left off.
We are deliberately being naive.. if Masood Azhar indeed played a part in the attack by providing some support, ISI and Pakistani govt would know about it.
We have been handing over the "evidences" in all the previous incidents and nothing has been achieved yet. Why don't you guys start an investigation yourself and ask India for help ?
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No.I dont know it.
Your side has put the blame and they should be the ones to provide hard core evidence.
If something happens on your soil you are responsible for investigating it and punishing the offenders,if it is in your control or informing the ones who hold the control.
Other countries will not scramble around to investigate their backyards based on mere blames until and unless there is hardcore evidence to support that and then they obviously will and should.
Pakistan believes two things, tell me if they are wrong to believe that:
1. Some 19 year old couldnt bare the hurt caused by Indian military in Kashmir and decided to follow Masood Azhars ideology.
2. Masood Azhar is under house arrest but there are 100s living in Kashmir who feel the same way as Masood Azhar. The hatred caused by the Indian military is not just on Masood Azhars mind.
How about we also try to raise our voice towards harm being done towards kashmiri civilians? How about you yourself try and investigate why Masood Azhars ideology has grown so much in Kashmir. I mean you dont just create enemies, you do things that create enemies. Agreed?
Ha ha.. this is the trust deficit.. if it happened with any friend country, it would not take Pakistan so much time and asking for "evidence" . Nothing has been achieved by India offering evidences in the past. If US didn't raid, even Osama was not there in Pakistan.
Have you seen the “evidences” provided by India yourself? Or did you believe one of your channels that told you “NOTHING was done despite evidences provided”.
If Masood Azhar's ideology is influencing terrorist acts, the least your govt. could do is to pull him up and gather all terrorist links even not related to Pulwama.
3 UNSC members have called his name for being a terrorist.. and Pakistan needs evidence ?
I am not saying India provided good evidence. I am saying this exercise has been done to death already with no objective achieved in the past either. Pakistan somehow doesn't find these evidence enough.
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If it happened with another country we will discuss that then.No need to deviate from the topic on hand.
If there is a UNSC declared terrorist in your country, should you not have found all his terror links ? Specially when he is the one who was released from an Indian prison after hijacking a plane ?
At least investigate his history and declare him innocent of the UNSC claim.
At least investigate his history and declare him innocent of the UNSC claim.
Fine. We’ll stop him. We will put him behind bars. But first, you have to get India to promise us that all the Indian soldiers seen on TV torturing the kashmiris with extreme brutality will also be put behind bars. If you need evidence, its everywhere on youtube.
Are you really being honest ? UNSC 3 countries are moving motion against him.. and he is considered a global terrorist by 3-4 major countries.. and your govt. wouldn't even investigate his links with Pulwama ?
And just like the last time China will veto it...
How are the two things related ? India tries it's soldiers for rape/murder of innocent people.. many crimes in India go unpunished specially due to AFSPA.
Are you putting it as a precondition ? It means you are saying you will not investigate Azhar because Indian soldiers are committing crimes ?
There is leak audio being played on ARY a woman talking to some BJP senior leader. The BJP senior person is asking for killing of Indian Jawaans to guarantee election win. He said we did Url attack nothing happened we need to so something big like this to win sympathies.
If this is genuine it is shocking even though I would not put it past Modi.
If this is genuine it is shocking even though I would not put it past Modi.
They have a right to veto it.. but they don't have anything to do with the investigation.. Pakistan should try him in their own courts by gathering evidence of his links and dismantle his terror network .. else say that he is innocent and has no links to Pulwama..
I wouldn't be surprised if that happened but you would need some concrete evidence for a claim of that magnitude..
Link ?
The reason why Im putting it as a precondition is because there will be 100 more Masood Azhars born even if we kill this one. The root cause is the brutality towards civilians in Kashmir. Just because you’re in khakee clothes and committing the same crime as someone who’s not in khakee clothes does not make you less evil. Think about what Im saying before replying.
Ignoring all the ** being posted here by both the sides.
Anyway, cross-border firing is going on full scale @LOC. A family of three has been killed in Indian Kashmir which includes a nine month child.
On the other side, a teenager has lost his life in kotli , Azad Kashmir.
Hoping for the de-escalation ASAP.
Anyway, cross-border firing is going on full scale @LOC. A family of three has been killed in Indian Kashmir which includes a nine month child.
On the other side, a teenager has lost his life in kotli , Azad Kashmir.
Hoping for the de-escalation ASAP.
Bhai.. do you every time root cause things and not punish the rapist/murderer/terrorist because even if we kill one terrorist 100 more would come up.. why kill Osama or Abu Bakra then ?
[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] hope you don't keep denying the death of 9-month old baby.
Im not saying Masood Azhar shouldnt be punished or hanged, he can go to hell for all we Pakistanis care. Im just saying that most Indian brothers here have this misconception that eliminating Masood Azhar will solve everything. If we want to bring a real change, we have to figure out why enemies are being born in the first place. You cant throw away an apple from the tree and say another apple wont be grown. We must look to cut the tree from grass root and that requires heavy assessment from both ends. We can sit here, send msgs back and forth all day, decide to execute Masood Azhar in the end but we will come back to the same topic a year later because there will be someone else after him.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Two Pakistan Army soldiers who died along LoC at Nakyal sector identified as Abdur Rab and Khurram. <a href="https://t.co/3cHHwAdjZV">pic.twitter.com/3cHHwAdjZV</a></p>— F. Jeffery �� (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1101775261400514561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The night following Abhinandan‘s release by Pakistan as a peace gesture, has been the deadliest in AJK. Indian Army is targeting the markets and civilian population in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kotli?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kotli</a> with Howitzer which they brought from USA. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DownWithModi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DownWithModi</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KashmirBleeds?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KashmirBleeds</a></p>— Ali Salman Alvi (@alisalmanalvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/alisalmanalvi/status/1101752800357376001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Indian army never targets civilian populations. Stop the fake news for god's sake.
It's the pakistan army that has killed a family in IOK which also includes a 9 month baby.
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