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We all NOW know at least that pakistan is not good enough to compete with big teams.
For all those pakistan that compare pakistan with india need to understand that india is a lot better than us now. We have to accept it. Can't stay in denial.

It is better that we are not playing india in bilateral series. Otherwise, we would get thrashed, even worse than the 8 wicket and 9 wicket loss against them in the asia cup.
 
Pakistan is unpredictable side and 9 times out of 10 will crumble under pressure. In icc tournaments they get into top shape and train harder for it. Watch Amir add extra 5mph to his bowling and others turn up. They are the most frustrating team and i wonder how Mickey puts up with them
 
PCT does well when they are not expected to win, yes pressure is not their thing.
 
Dude we are BOSSING this series, what are you talking about.
 
a_tahir said:
It is. Isn't it?
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It is. If Pak wins the t20 series,then threads like "Pakistan is the best team in the world" will come up. Just check out the "Pakistan have bossed this series" thread after last win.
 
Madplayer said:
It is. If Pak wins the t20 series,then threads like "Pakistan is the best team in the world" will come up. Just check out the "Pakistan have bossed this series" thread after last win.
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People just don't get it. Change with every match.
 
Reality is this is by far Pakistan worst decade when it comes to cricket. The team has been the weakest I have seen since as far back as I can remember. Still we have gotten lucky to have some precious silverware and wins in this decade. The likes of CT and T20 world Cup to go with some wins in England in this decade has been a major bonus.
 
PP needs to limit the number of threads that can be created in a day and delete the trash ones so quota is not misused.
( No disrespect to this particular thread but just the number of knee jerk threads in general)
 
Abdullah said:
PP needs to limit the number of threads that can be created in a day and delete the trash ones so quota is not misused.
( No disrespect to this particular thread but just the number of knee jerk threads in general)
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So you didn't like this thread?
If so, may i ask why?
 
Going by threads here: One day we are a top team, the next day the worst, nothing in between.
 
What a disappointing tour. Only hope is to win T20s 3-0 otherwise the badge of best T20 side will seem like a farce.
 
Some people exaggerate again. South Africa are a strong team and they sure want to win games at home.
 
Saf played without steyn, qdk, abd (partly) in that series nevertheless i believe india would have still won that series.
 
We have a pathetic batting lineup
we have pathetic bowling lineup
we are not a very good fielding side
we have mediocre batting & bowling coaches
there is a lack of professionalism in PCB
apart from all the above, our team is best in the world
 
Never take ODI bilaterals too seriously, the only thing that matters is the WC in UK this year. If Pakistan have gained positives here (which they have) and some form of reality check (read liabilities), it is a win for them. 2-3 is a narrow margin, had it been a spineless 0-5 result that would have warranted this type of thread. India too lost 2-3 in the 2011 series in SA and went on to win the World Cup, so no need to panic or indulge in wrist slitting.
 
Abdullah said:
PP needs to limit the number of threads that can be created in a day and delete the trash ones so quota is not misused.
( No disrespect to this particular thread but just the number of knee jerk threads in general)
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There are more Pakistani wristslitters on here than in mental instituation :inti

SA are a good team, it was a close series ending in 3-2 which could have gone either way.

Pakistan are set to play England (the best ODI team) in England before the World Cup. Paksitan will likely lose that series too but games against strong sides in tough conditions will only help Pakistan in the WC.

Let the World Cup finish and then we can conclude how good or bad Pakistan are.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Never take ODI bilaterals too seriously, the only thing that matters is the WC in UK this year. If Pakistan have gained positives here (which they have) and some form of reality check (read liabilities), it is a win for them. 2-3 is a narrow margin, had it been a spineless 0-5 result that would have warranted this type of thread. India too lost 2-3 in the 2011 series in SA and went on to win the World Cup, so no need to panic or indulge in wrist slitting.
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So.... A team must lose to SA to 2-3 for winning a world cup.

Point noted.
 
The forum seems too volatile.
After a win Pakistan become favourites for World cup.
After a loss its doom and gloom.
 
Itachi said:
So.... A team must lose to SA to 2-3 for winning a world cup.

Point noted.
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We cannot win the cup as we the team doesn't have the potential, however the very narrow 3-2 result shows that the OD team is still not doing all that bad.Also if Pak plays SA in the cup, the chances of Pak beating SA will be much higher.
 
Pakistan should stick to their tradition tried and tested method of conserving wickets and going after bowling in death overs. It has more chance of putting up a decent total. Fakhar himself is a lottery. Imam and Babar. If they get out cheaply it is not that hard for opposition to trigger a collapse.
 
KingKhanWC said:
There are more Pakistani wristslitters on here than in mental instituation :inti

SA are a good team, it was a close series ending in 3-2 which could have gone either way.

Pakistan are set to play England (the best ODI team) in England before the World Cup. Paksitan will likely lose that series too but games against strong sides in tough conditions will only help Pakistan in the WC.

Let the World Cup finish and then we can conclude how good or bad Pakistan are.
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This is a medicore south african team that played agaisnt an extremely mediocre pakistani team. So the battle of mediocrity has been won by the proteas.

Pak can play any team, any conditions all year round. But until the coach, the players dont learn. We are not going anywhere.
 
a_tahir said:
So you didn't like this thread?
If so, may i ask why?
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Nothing to do with his thread except this is the one where I made my comment.
For what it is worth what are we not good enough for?
I probably accept that
We just need to be the best we can in 4 and half months

I think this is how we will go.
We will start iffy with few wins and few losses in the world cup,
1 big "blindside upset" and finishing off with wins Vs bang and Afghanistan to squeak into the semis.
Anybody's game from there ;)
 
Problem is plenty of players are not held to account for not delivering consistently enough and Mohd Amir is a classic example. For how long will he be played on hype and potential.
 
ali2220 said:
We cannot win the cup as we the team doesn't have the potential, however the very narrow 3-2 result shows that the OD team is still not doing all that bad.Also if Pak plays SA in the cup, the chances of Pak beating SA will be much higher.
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I'll give you that. In world cup, Pakistan has more chance. Pressure does make RSA very vulnerable.
 
fitCricFan said:
You don't need a World cup to determine how good or bad a team is, that's why you measure performance over time.
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Untrue... 10 years from now nobody would even remember Australia got blanked out at home by India if they manage to win the WC.


World events >>>>>>>>>> rankings/long term performance
 
So what if CT was a fluke...who cares?

Ind won world cup in '83 (esp the Final)...that was supposedly a fluke?

Do they care?...Nope!

Well done to Pakistan and India.
 
KingKhanWC said:
There are more Pakistani wristslitters on here than in mental instituation :inti

SA are a good team , it was a close series ending in 3-2 which could have gone either way.

Pakistan are set to play England (the best ODI team) in England before the World Cup. Paksitan will likely lose that series too but games against strong sides in tough conditions will only help Pakistan in the WC.

Let the World Cup finish and then we can conclude how good or bad Pakistan are.
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Though this thread is an over reaction but its by far the weakest SA ODI outfit ever. I cant recall a weaker SA team than this one tbh.
 
Destroyer88 said:
This is a medicore south african team that played agaisnt an extremely mediocre pakistani team. So the battle of mediocrity has been won by the proteas.

Pak can play any team, any conditions all year round. But until the coach, the players dont learn. We are not going anywhere.
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SA batting is not as it used to be but far from mediocre with the players they have at their disposal. On their day both teams can beat any other teams by a good margin too.

fitCricFan said:
You don't need a World cup to determine how good or bad a team is, that's why you measure performance over time.
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Teams are preparing for the World Cup and will be judged on how well they do in the competition. Pak won 2 matchs in SA and if they win a couple in England they will be feel good about the World Cup as the potential is there to beat anyone and win the Cup.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Though this thread is an over reaction but its by far the weakest SA ODI outfit ever. I cant recall a weaker SA team than this one tbh.
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You haven't been watching cricket long enough then. In 2003 SA at home in the World Cup failed to reach the next round while team such as Kenya and Zimbabwe did.
 
We are a midtable team at best in odis, lord knows what will happen to Pakistan in a series against India or England.
 
Syed1 said:
Untrue... 10 years from now nobody would even remember Australia got blanked out at home by India if they manage to win the WC.


World events >>>>>>>>>> rankings/long term performance
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Untrue. Test series are just as memorable as world LOI events. Especially winning somewhere you haven't won before.

We still talk about Australian series in India in 2001.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Though this thread is an over reaction but its by far the weakest SA ODI outfit ever. I cant recall a weaker SA team than this one tbh.
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I wouldn't say by far, but certainly there has never been a worse SA odi team that I can remember.
 
SamNJ said:
The forum seems too volatile.
After a win Pakistan become favourites for World cup.
After a loss its doom and gloom.
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Had Pak won the series, even many neutrals would have labelled Pak as fav's for the cup.
Winning and losing this series has nothing to do with Pak chances in the cup, which in any case is close to zero.
 
Syed1 said:
Untrue... 10 years from now nobody would even remember Australia got blanked out at home by India if they manage to win the WC.


World events >>>>>>>>>> rankings/long term performance
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That is not true for AUS. AUS has already won 5/6 WCs. Last time they won was in 2015, even they celebrated 5-0 Ashes trashing, when Johnson ended career of half of the time, is remembered a lot more. Johnson ashes is still more popular with all the players (who won WC just after that) and among fans. That kind of stuff you don't see everyday.

Most Desi Fans don't have much cricketing IQ, for us winning T20 WC is more than winning Test Series in SENA, that is the level of IQ...

I also doubt India will forget that easily, winning WC is not that big of a deal, there are only 8 teams and out of that only 4 has real chance. Its not like Soccer WC where you have to go through 4 Knock Out games, which is way harder than two in this WC, plus these 8 teams play all the time with each other, there is no surprise element like in Soccer, where you rarely play with top teams...
 
There was a time when the only achievement for mighty misbah was winning a OD series against SA in SA.The result of this series for Pak should only be encouraging, if they work on getting better bowlers in their lineup, than team is likely to do better in future.
 
^ Also, Lillee Thomo are still cherished and remember in AUS, they have won 6 WC after that era... AUS/ENG still value test cricket a lot more. That was the prime reason for ENG to separate ODI team from test, they could not focus on ODI/T20 with test Captain and Mgmt...
 
We are well behind India and England, but only in batting. Pak team needs one 145+ consistent and sensible bowler , one good off spinner like Gohar or Irfan ,and one good middle order batsman, as well as return of Sarfraz batting form. So if Inzi and managing use their brain they can turn this team from good to very good.
 
Since the Champions Trophy Final in 2017, Pakistan in ODIs versus India, New Zealand, South Africa & Bangladesh:

Lost v SA
Won v SA
Lost v SA
Lost v SA
Won v SA
Won v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v B'desh
Lost v India
Lost v India
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
 
ali2220 said:
On paper they look like a decent team, not sure how can one say poor.
And any team can beat another team on its day.
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This is a poor team. Two reliable batsmen. One has problem of converting. Other one has problem of accelerating in the end. iffy middle order. No penetrative bowling. They will once again rely on individual brilliance. So star bowling spell or a fiery century have to come from someone.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You haven't been watching cricket long enough then. In 2003 SA at home in the World Cup failed to reach the next round while team such as Kenya and Zimbabwe did.
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Just bcoz a team failed to qualify in the next round in world cup don't necessarily define the strength of the team. Pak team in 96 WC at home was a top side but got knocked out in quarters. SA team of 2003 had Gibbs, Pollock, Donald, Smith, Rhodes, Kallis etc. No way its weaker than the current team.
 
Saj said:
Since the Champions Trophy Final in 2017, Pakistan in ODIs versus India, New Zealand, South Africa & Bangladesh:

Lost v SA
Won v SA
Lost v SA
Lost v SA
Won v SA
Won v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v B'desh
Lost v India
Lost v India
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
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But as per our [MENTION=147687]Shandarchowka[/MENTION] bro....Mickey Arthur's style of team selection works in SENA countries.
 
vandokkum said:
I wouldn't say by far, but certainly there has never been a worse SA odi team that I can remember.
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Sorry to day but I think Faf, Steyn, Morkel, ABDV, Amla etc. may be last great cricketers from SA and it will go only downhill from here. This race card is ruining your cricket.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Sorry to day but I think Faf, Steyn, Morkel, ABDV, Amla etc. may be last great cricketers from SA and it will go only downhill from here. This race card is ruining your cricket.
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Actually this might come as a surprise but this is not the biggest issue in South African cricket.
 
Saj said:
Since the Champions Trophy Final in 2017, Pakistan in ODIs versus India, New Zealand, South Africa & Bangladesh:

Lost v SA
Won v SA
Lost v SA
Lost v SA
Won v SA
Won v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v B'desh
Lost v India
Lost v India
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
Lost v NZ
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How does the team management and selectors defend this?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is a poor team. Two reliable batsmen. One has problem of converting. Other one has problem of accelerating in the end. iffy middle order. No penetrative bowling. They will once again rely on individual brilliance. So star bowling spell or a fiery century have to come from someone.
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The bowling will come good in England, as far as batting is concerned, Fakhar has started scoring runs and our top three are still not all that bad.This is not a top ranked team but neither is this one that should be ranked at the bottom.This is a decent team that will collectively win you some matches but isnt' good enough to win you the WC or even qualify for the final.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Just bcoz a team failed to qualify in the next round in world cup don't necessarily define the strength of the team. Pak team in 96 WC at home was a top side but got knocked out in quarters. SA team of 2003 had Gibbs, Pollock, Donald, Smith, Rhodes, Kallis etc. No way its weaker than the current team.
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It doesn't matter about the players, as a team they were poor. The same team lost an ODI series to England who were a pretty bad team too then.
 
vandokkum said:
Actually this might come as a surprise but this is not the biggest issue in South African cricket.
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Would be curious to know what the biggest issue is ?

Is it competition from other sports like rugby as in Australia and NZ?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Would be curious to know what the biggest issue is ?

Is it competition from other sports like rugby as in Australia and NZ?
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This is a very difficult topic for me to even discuss on here. Cricket in South Africa is basically designed to be a white man's sport. Remember Rabada the Village cricketer comment by Ian Chappell? I know for a fact that Ian Chappell is not a racist but even to him a black African cricketer probably brought up memories of villages and huts. Rabada is actually a product of the private school system that makes up majority of the privileged individuals who even have a shot at making it to the highest level. It's not about race, but the opportunities that are available only to a tiny segment of the population.
 
Look at the structure of cricket in our country, starting from grass roots. It's just pathetic. We need to completely overhaul our system and infrastructure. Sick of repeating myself but nothing seems to be getting done
 
Mueez said:
Against the Aussies in UAE and after that in England vs England.
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Wow against Eng in Eng. Pak probably will get the best practice before WC. A series in Eng followed by warm ups is enough to get ready when the main event starts. Good scheduling by PCB.
 
What’s even more disappointing is the fact that the batting struggled against allrounders like Pretorius. Steyn was played well.
 
Itachi said:
Mamoon was right when he said CT was fluke.
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Hahahahahaha beating the mighty India by 180 runs in final buddy that's not a fluke your team got owned Pakistans Asia cup victory against India in 2014 that was a fluke cuz that last six just made it to the boundary and Afridi got luck cuz when he hit it I was like he is out for sure. But yeah CT finals not a fluke buddy get over it
 
South Africa did something different today and opened with Imran Tahir and that seemed to confuse and bamboozle Pakistan and totally ruin their gameplan.

They are so mentally weak that you expect a collapse any minute.
 
KingKhanWC said:
There are more Pakistani wristslitters on here than in mental instituation :inti

SA are a good team, it was a close series ending in 3-2 which could have gone either way.

Pakistan are set to play England (the best ODI team) in England before the World Cup. Paksitan will likely lose that series too but games against strong sides in tough conditions will only help Pakistan in the WC.

Let the World Cup finish and then we can conclude how good or bad Pakistan are.
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I agree that is the ultimate preparation for the world cup. Up until then it is taking positives and addressing negatives.
Nobody said we were the best side in the world coming into this, and nobody is saying that now.
In fact we hadn't beaten a top 6 side since I don't know when, so we have them a proper series. That in itself is progress
 
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