Pakistan joins hands with Turkey, Malaysia to counter Islamophobia

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President Erdogan, PM Mahatir and myself had a meeting today in which we decided our 3 countries would jointly start an English language channel dedicated to confronting the challenges posed by Islamophobia and setting the record straight on our great religion - Islam.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176938507052433408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Misperceptions which bring people together against Muslims would be corrected; issue of blasphemy would be properly contextualized; series & films would be produced on Muslim history to educate/inform our own people & the world; Muslims would be given a dedicated media presence.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176938509816537089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Prime Minister Imran Khan, along with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Malaysian counterpart Mahathir Mohamad took part in a trilateral summit on the sidelines of the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) on Wednesday where they agreed on possible measures to counter Islamophobia.

According to Pakistan’s permanent representative Maleeha Lodhi, the states have agreed “to promote the narrative of Muslims to counter Islamophobia and to cooperate in the area of film and also establish a joint TV channel”.

The three countries, she added, affirmed to pool their talent and knowledge, as well as, collaborating in research and development.

Meanwhile, the Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) asked India to reverse its decision of revoking the special status of Indian Occupied Kashmir (IOK) and allow “full and free access” to international bodies, including OIC and United Nations (UN), to independently investigate reports of “gross and systematic human rights violations taking place there”.

The statement by the 57-member bloc of Muslim countries was issued following a meeting of foreign ministers of OIC Contact Group on Kashmir held on the sidelines of 74th session of UNGA.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...with-turkey-malaysia-to-counter-islamophobia/

 

[KingKhanWC]

Another good move! This man works very hard for the ordinary people.

Islamaphobia is a result of the demonisation of Muslims by those who wish to profit from their lands.

 

[JaDed]

So basically a channel biased towards a religion to counter misperceptions towards the same religion?

 

[sweep_shot]

Great initiative.

Well done, Imran. I hope more Muslim countries would join in (including Bangladesh).

 

[Slog]

Three great leaders

 

[Mamoon]

Islamophobia is largely a self-created problem. It is a direct consequence of the failure of the Muslim world in the last century or so, in addition to the fact that the vast majority of the terrorist groups in the world associate themselves with Islam.

Islamophobia has boomed because of two factors: (a) the link between muslims and organized terror groups and (b) the status of the majority Muslim countries.

The key word here is organized terror groups. Lone wolf terrorism is rampant among non-Muslims as well, but organized terror groups, i.e. a group of people with a common goal who are trained by an organization is what truly strikes fear into the hearts of people. The non-extremist Muslims can distant themselves from these groups as much as they want, but the fact is that these groups identify themselves as Muslims, and that is more than enough for the non-Muslims to form an opinion on Islam.

So far, the Muslim world has failed spectacularly at tackling Islamophobia because they are unwilling to acknowledge their role in propagating this fear. They do not want to admit that the Muslim world has left no stone unturned in ensuring that the world doesn’t view them favorably. Furthermore, most Muslim countries are struggling as well, which reaffirms the belief that Muslims are on the wrong track.

If this channel is going to address the problem in the same way - which is highly likely - it is going to fail. However, if they approach it in a different way and accept the failures of the Muslim world and why we have mostly deserved the negative press, it could have some impact in a very, very small capacity.

The perception of Islam will only change when Muslims not only admit their role in propagating Islamophobia but also contribute something positive to the world. As long as we are collective failures and terrorist groups are calling themselves Muslims, Islamophobia will only spread and we cannot blame the ones who fall for it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Three great leaders

We have 3 leaders that have a great standing in the Muslim World, I would like them to use their position to try to heal the wounds and start to bring us together. We have the Kalima and that alone should be enough to bind us emotionally. Our enemies are circling us, most of our leadership is corrupt and our peoples are in pain.

 

[PakLFC]

Good decision. Forget the loser Arabs who are totally useless in cahoots with the enemies of Islam. Soon Israel will be taking over the Gulf region rubbing their noses on the ground even more.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Islamophobia is largely a self-created problem. It is a direct consequence of the failure of the Muslim world in the last century or so, in addition to the fact that the vast majority of the terrorist groups in the world associate themselves with Islam.

Islamophobia has boomed because of two factors: (a) the link between muslims and organized terror groups and (b) the status of the majority Muslim countries.

The key word here is organized terror groups. Lone wolf terrorism is rampant among non-Muslims as well, but organized terror groups, i.e. a group of people with a common goal who are trained by an organization is what truly strikes fear into the hearts of people. The non-extremist Muslims can distant themselves from these groups as much as they want, but the fact is that these groups identify themselves as Muslims, and that is more than enough for the non-Muslims to form an opinion on Islam.

So far, the Muslim world has failed spectacularly at tackling Islamophobia because they are unwilling to acknowledge their role in propagating this fear. They do not want to admit that the Muslim world has left no stone unturned in ensuring that the world doesn’t view them favorably. Furthermore, most Muslim countries are struggling as well, which reaffirms the belief that Muslims are on the wrong track.

If this channel is going to address the problem in the same way - which is highly likely - it is going to fail. However, if they approach it in a different way and accept the failures of the Muslim world and why we have mostly deserved the negative press, it could have some impact in a very, very small capacity.

The perception of Islam will only change when Muslims not only admit their role in propagating Islamophobia but also contribute something positive to the world. As long as we are collective failures and terrorist groups are calling themselves Muslims, Islamophobia will only spread and we cannot blame the ones who fall for it.

Such a terrible post

The term Islamaphobia has only been around since the last two decades. Yet in your world its a century old issue lol.

Jews formed terror groups which attacked British so is their antisemitism due to this too?

 

[JaDed]

We have 3 leaders that have a great standing in the Muslim World, I would like them to use their position to try to heal the wounds and start to bring us together. We have the Kalima and that alone should be enough to bind us emotionally. Our enemies are circling us, most of our leadership is corrupt and our peoples are in pain.

How do you say things like this being in UK? Thats a such a closed minded thought process, Islam is the second largest religion in the world and Im sure most of them pray and believe in Islam more than christians do, how is this insecurity still there inspite of all that?

Not one Muslim country has valued the rights of citizens not belonging to the majority religion as much UK,canada, Aus , NZ, Scandinavian countries and even USA.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I guess when women have their clothing ripped off them, it's their own fault.

When our elders are murdered in the street, it's their fault.

When our brothers are run over in the street, it's their fault.

You're worse than the shitpool in slumdog millionaire.

He tries to please the Indians here but don't worry he'll stop when IK is not our PM anymore but he'll have to wait 9 more years for that

 

[Hornbill]

So basically a channel biased towards a religion to counter misperceptions towards the same religion?

In of the countries it will be surely biased towards a sect
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia

 

[Ronaldo7]

Islamophobia is largely a self-created problem. It is a direct consequence of the failure of the Muslim world in the last century or so, in addition to the fact that the vast majority of the terrorist groups in the world associate themselves with Islam.

Islamophobia has boomed because of two factors: (a) the link between muslims and organized terror groups and (b) the status of the majority Muslim countries.

The key word here is organized terror groups. Lone wolf terrorism is rampant among non-Muslims as well, but organized terror groups, i.e. a group of people with a common goal who are trained by an organization is what truly strikes fear into the hearts of people. The non-extremist Muslims can distant themselves from these groups as much as they want, but the fact is that these groups identify themselves as Muslims, and that is more than enough for the non-Muslims to form an opinion on Islam.

So far, the Muslim world has failed spectacularly at tackling Islamophobia because they are unwilling to acknowledge their role in propagating this fear. They do not want to admit that the Muslim world has left no stone unturned in ensuring that the world doesn’t view them favorably. Furthermore, most Muslim countries are struggling as well, which reaffirms the belief that Muslims are on the wrong track.

If this channel is going to address the problem in the same way - which is highly likely - it is going to fail. However, if they approach it in a different way and accept the failures of the Muslim world and why we have mostly deserved the negative press, it could have some impact in a very, very small capacity.

The perception of Islam will only change when Muslims not only admit their role in propagating Islamophobia but also contribute something positive to the world. As long as we are collective failures and terrorist groups are calling themselves Muslims, Islamophobia will only spread and we cannot blame the ones who fall for it.

The Islamic countries are failing because they have no money to spend on their development.
UK robbed us and the US is robbing them right now.

You can't develop anything if you don't even have the money to do so

 

[Bewal Express]

How do you say things like this being in UK? Thats a such a closed minded thought process, Islam is the second largest religion in the world and Im sure most of them pray and believe in Islam more than christians do, how is this insecurity still there inspite of all that?

Not one Muslim country has valued the rights of citizens not belonging to the majority religion as much UK,canada, Aus , NZ, Scandinavian countries and even USA.

Why is it a closed mind? But I am in pain when I see my Kashmiris, the Royhinga, uighers being treated like sh** and also the pointless conflicts that our peoples are in. I am in pain when I see Americans and the Israelis and their designs on the Muslim World. I am not advocating war, I want dignified peace.

 

[JaDed]

Why is it a closed mind? But I am in pain when I see my Kashmiris, the Royhinga, uighers being treated like sh** and also the pointless conflicts that our peoples are in. I am in pain when I see Americans and the Israelis and their designs on the Muslim World. I am not advocating war, I want dignified peace.

Thats not close to what you are advocating with the insecurity also you think Turkey isn’t involved in wars but leave it , I’m done.

 

[irfan]

Why is it a closed mind? But I am in pain when I see my Kashmiris, the Royhinga, uighers being treated like sh** and also the pointless conflicts that our peoples are in. I am in pain when I see Americans and the Israelis and their designs on the Muslim World. I am not advocating war, I want dignified peace.

Interesting but are you not in pain when you see other non-Muslim groups suffering oppression eg Tibetans, Dalits in India, Christians & Yazidis (former in Pakistan and both in Syria/Iraq) and then Muslim Kurds being oppressed by other Muslims etc Can your empathy not be universal?

 

[globalcitizen]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President Erdogan, PM Mahatir and myself had a meeting today in which we decided our 3 countries would jointly start an English language channel dedicated to confronting the challenges posed by Islamophobia and setting the record straight on our great religion - Islam.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176938507052433408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Misperceptions which bring people together against Muslims would be corrected; issue of blasphemy would be properly contextualized; series & films would be produced on Muslim history to educate/inform our own people & the world; Muslims would be given a dedicated media presence.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1176938509816537089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Prime Minister Imran Khan, along with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Malaysian counterpart Mahathir Mohamad took part in a trilateral summit on the sidelines of the 74th session of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) on Wednesday where they agreed on possible measures to counter Islamophobia.

According to Pakistan’s permanent representative Maleeha Lodhi, the states have agreed “to promote the narrative of Muslims to counter Islamophobia and to cooperate in the area of film and also establish a joint TV channel”.

The three countries, she added, affirmed to pool their talent and knowledge, as well as, collaborating in research and development.

Meanwhile, the Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) asked India to reverse its decision of revoking the special status of Indian Occupied Kashmir (IOK) and allow “full and free access” to international bodies, including OIC and United Nations (UN), to independently investigate reports of “gross and systematic human rights violations taking place there”.

The statement by the 57-member bloc of Muslim countries was issued following a meeting of foreign ministers of OIC Contact Group on Kashmir held on the sidelines of 74th session of UNGA.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...with-turkey-malaysia-to-counter-islamophobia/

Good initiative

 

[Varun]

A kumbayah TV channel is not going to stop Islamophobia.

Muslims should focus on getting an education close to the average in a given country where they are facing Islamophobia and that alone can be a good start.

By the way, I expect nothing to come off this. Sounds like a typical Imran Khan move to garner some PR.

 

[sweep_shot]

A kumbayah TV channel is not going to stop Islamophobia.

Muslims should focus on getting an education close to the average in a given country where they are facing Islamophobia and that alone can be a good start.

Very stupid comment.

A lot of the Muslims who come to North America (specially Canada) are highly educated. Even if they are not educated, public education is generally free.

Also, most of the racist Islamophobes are generally uneducated blue collar white folks.

 

[Varun]

A lot of the Muslims who come to North America (specially Canada) are highly educated. Even if they are not educated, public education is generally free.

Muslims in the US/Canada are doing better than elsewhere, but even there they are in the lower than the national average in terms of education, and consequently, jobs/career/income.

Keep in mind that Muslims include folks from Arab and African countries as well, and they don't help your cause here.

 

[hussain.r97]

Don't quite understand who's going watch a channel like this, and how it's going to change perceptions.

The only way to end Islamophobia is by fixing our own countries and mindset. Yes, terror groups give Muslims a bad name but the fact is that the conditions in our own countries are very poor and the laws are extremely regressive. Terrorism is no longer even the main reason people are afraid of Muslims. People now think that the laws of so called "Muslim counties" are Islamic laws supported by all Muslims, and in their eyes, makes us backward and barbaric people.

We have to start by getting rid of barbaric and backward laws that allow people to receive prison or death sentences on moral or religious issues, improve the conditions of minorities, and actually achieve something and make a positive contribution to the world.

Instead of being recognised for being extremely backward, conservative, and violent countries, Muslim nations need to strive to become more progressive, and need to educate themselves so that we start seeing breakthroughs in science and technology in the Muslim world. In order to do that, a huge change in mentality is needed. Right now, from observation Muslims are more impressed by someone finding 'proof' of an old scientific fact in the Quran than by someone making an actual scientific breakthrough. Instead of searching for all knowledge in a religious book, Muslims should be searching the universe for knowledge (which is actually something the Prophet told Muslims to do).

Until we remain a generally closed minded, regressive, intolerant, and backward group of people, the world will continue to look down on Muslims. The only way Muslims will gain the respect of the world is if Muslim nations become more progressive, and actually start making positive contributions to the world.

 

[Bewal Express]

Interesting but are you not in pain when you see other non-Muslim groups suffering oppression eg Tibetans, Dalits in India, Christians & Yazidis (former in Pakistan and both in Syria/Iraq) and then Muslim Kurds being oppressed by other Muslims etc Can your empathy not be universal?

Actually I am. I see oppression of all as painful. These groups are being discussed on here and hence the reason I mentioned them.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

These 3 leaders will be remembered forever. Legends!

 

[Mamoon]

Such a terrible post

The term Islamaphobia has only been around since the last two decades. Yet in your world its a century old issue lol.

Jews formed terror groups which attacked British so is their antisemitism due to this too?

Islamophobia started with the advent of Islam. However, the word “Islamophobia” was coined as early as 1918 and was popularized by the War on Terror.

Islamophobia spread when the Muslim conquered plundered and looted empires, giving people the choice of embracing Islam or paying tax.

The Crusade Wars were also a result of Islamophobia.

In the last century or so, Islamophobia has taken a different meaning because of the irrelevance of Muslim countries, their lack of positive contribution to the world and the terrorist groups.

Anti-semitism itself has roots in the 4th century when the Romans adopted Christianity as state religion. To exert their dominance, they had to form an opposition against the original Abrahamic faith.

Later on they also suffered heavily during the Crusade Wars and were massacred by the Muslims.

The anti-semitism that they have suffered from in every century has been a continuation of the discrimination that was started by the Christian Roman Empire.

Later on in the 20th century and the eventual holocaust, It grew into a genuine fear not because of their terrorism but because of the fact that in spite of being the subject of intense bigotry for 15 centuries, they were still high-achievers and dominating the world.

That is what makes them a remarkable nation. In spite of suffering more than any religion in history, that have not used it as an excuse to making scientific contributions and developing the world.

 

[Mamoon]

The Islamic countries are failing because they have no money to spend on their development.
UK robbed us and the US is robbing them right now.

You can't develop anything if you don't even have the money to do so

The Islamic world has failed since the 1200s. The “Golden Age” that we are proud of today was actually inspired by a sect of Muslims that rejected orthodox beliefs and were considered non-Muslims by the radicals.

The focus of the Muslim word was on spreading Islam by invading empires, and once that strategy ran its course, they have struggled.

So we don’t have to blame British imperialism or the rise of USA as the superpower after WWII. We have failed because of wrong priorities since our inception.

 

[Mamoon]

I guess when women have their clothing ripped off them, it's their own fault.

When our elders are murdered in the street, it's their fault.

When our brothers are run over in the street, it's their fault.

You're worse than the shitpool in slumdog millionaire.

See that is the problem.

Innocent people will suffer unless the Muslim word collectively makes a change. The Muslim world cannot continue to do what it has done for a good century, and then expect that Islamophobia will not flourish.

Complaining about Islamophobia will not change anything. Calling it a western conspiracy with not help either. The only way it can be tackled is by changing the perception of Muslims that we created ourselves.

We have not given the world a single good reason to view us in a favorable light.

 

[Sir-fraz]

The Islamic countries are failing because they have no money to spend on their development.
UK robbed us and the US is robbing them right now.

You can't develop anything if you don't even have the money to do so

stop with the victim mentality.. you CANT BLAME others on everything. islam has failed to evolve with the times. its blatantly obvious.

 

[mgtow]

This movement has meaning because of status of Turkey and Malaysia, not to mention Erdogan that just had Europe and North America terrified.

Nobody care about joker Imran Khan who is faceless given his failure to convince other nations on board. So much expense all for nothing. Thank GOD that Erdogan is around who is fighting lone battle and fierce spokesman on the mistreatment of Chinese Muslims whereas Imran Knan is nowhere to be found.

 

[Birdman]

Are they going to bring the plight of Hui Muslims of China too? Heard a report on persecution of Hui Muslims by the Chinese authorities, this morning on NPR. When is Pakistan going to be a voice for Hui Muslims?

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/7633...xt-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown

 

[troodon]

Phobia is irrational fear. When you have terrorists blowing up innocent people in the name of Islam, you expect non-muslims not to be scared of Islam?

 

[Diffusion]

They'll be preaching to the converted.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Islamophobia started with the advent of Islam. However, the word “Islamophobia” was coined as early as 1918 and was popularized by the War on Terror.

Islamophobia spread when the Muslim conquered plundered and looted empires, giving people the choice of embracing Islam or paying tax.

The Crusade Wars were also a result of Islamophobia.

In the last century or so, Islamophobia has taken a different meaning because of the irrelevance of Muslim countries, their lack of positive contribution to the world and the terrorist groups.

Anti-semitism itself has roots in the 4th century when the Romans adopted Christianity as state religion. To exert their dominance, they had to form an opposition against the original Abrahamic faith.

Later on they also suffered heavily during the Crusade Wars and were massacred by the Muslims.

The anti-semitism that they have suffered from in every century has been a continuation of the discrimination that was started by the Christian Roman Empire.

Later on in the 20th century and the eventual holocaust, It grew into a genuine fear not because of their terrorism but because of the fact that in spite of being the subject of intense bigotry for 15 centuries, they were still high-achievers and dominating the world.

That is what makes them a remarkable nation. In spite of suffering more than any religion in history, that have not used it as an excuse to making scientific contributions and developing the world.

You are confusing what is modern day anti-Islam/anti-Muslim(Islamaphobia) to anti-Islam/anti-Muslim hatred when the Prophet(pbuh) started to preach and recite Gods words to the idol worshippers and sinners. Ignore what you read on Wiki about 1918, just one mans term.

Todays Islamaphobia is a creation from western foriegn policy. You have to demonise a people before you can go bomb their children so your own people largely accept you killing others for your own safety. Muslim nations are weak and little or no threat to anyone. By your logic there should be rampant American phobia or Israeli phobia as these two nations have been on a killing spree almost daily forthe past 50 years and more.

Its pretty simple to understand if you understand the world.

 

[Bewal Express]

See that is the problem.

Innocent people will suffer unless the Muslim word collectively makes a change. The Muslim world cannot continue to do what it has done for a good century, and then expect that Islamophobia will not flourish.

Complaining about Islamophobia will not change anything. Calling it a western conspiracy with not help either. The only way it can be tackled is by changing the perception of Muslims that we created ourselves.

We have not given the world a single good reason to view us in a favorable light.

So logical suggests that as Jews are responsible for anti semitism the pogroms and the holocaust was their own fault.

 

[Musakhel]

And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say; “Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance”. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper (120).

 

[Mamoon]

So logical suggests that as Jews are responsible for anti semitism the pogroms and the holocaust was their own fault.

Anti-semitism is the result of Christian extremism; Islamophobia is a result of Muslim extremism. The former is a Christian-created problem and the latter is a self-created problem. Please note that I am talking about the root causes here, not the events that have contributed to their evolution.

 

[Mamoon]

You are confusing what is modern day anti-Islam/anti-Muslim(Islamaphobia) to anti-Islam/anti-Muslim hatred when the Prophet(pbuh) started to preach and recite Gods words to the idol worshippers and sinners. Ignore what you read on Wiki about 1918, just one mans term.

Todays Islamaphobia is a creation from western foriegn policy. You have to demonise a people before you can go bomb their children so your own people largely accept you killing others for your own safety. Muslim nations are weak and little or no threat to anyone. By your logic there should be rampant American phobia or Israeli phobia as these two nations have been on a killing spree almost daily forthe past 50 years and more.

Its pretty simple to understand if you understand the world.

I don’t consult Wikipedia because it is a not a credible source. I don’t know what is mentioned there.

As I stated in the fourth point of my post, Islamophobia has taken a different context in the last century because of the failure of the Muslim world and the association with organized terrorist outfits. Islamophobia is not a creation of western foreign policy but yes they have used it to their advantage. Can you blame them? Maybe, but there are no saints in the world of politics.

We can blame the west all we want, but the fact is that the vast majority of organized terrorist groups identify themselves as Muslims. Yes we can always say that they have misinterpreted the Quran, but to an outsider, does that explanation have credibility? No.

When you are producing more terrorists than academics, intellectuals and scientists, how do you expect the world to not be paranoid? The Muslim world has not done enough to tackle the issue. Simply repeating the old lines that not all terrorists are Muslims and Islam is a religion of peace etc. are not the solutions to ending Islamophobia.

The only solution to ending this problem and easing the sufferings of the innocent is to make tangible changes to the Muslim world. By continuing to deny our role in propagating hate against Muslims, we are clearly showing that we are not prepared to change, and hence we should not be surprised when Islamophobia continues to flourish.

If Muslim countries are weak and not a threat to anyone, they should take a good hard look at themselves and ask why. If they are on the right path and everyone else is misguided, why are they lagging behind in the world?

 

[Bewal Express]

Anti-semitism is the result of Christian extremism; Islamophobia is a result of Muslim extremism. The former is a Christian-created problem and the latter is a self-created problem. Please note that I am talking about the root causes here, not the events that have contributed to their evolution.

Not its not, even in 80s after the fall of the Soviet empire Muslims were talked about as the next enemy. The Western Millitary Industrial Complex needs enemies. These same extremists were called the Mujhaddin in the 80s and were given billions to fight the Soviets. Bin Laden was a CIA man,

 

[JaDed]

Not its not, even in 80s after the fall of the Soviet empire Muslims were talked about as the next enemy. The Western Millitary Industrial Complex needs enemies. These same extremists were called the Mujhaddin in the 80s and were given billions to fight the Soviets. Bin Laden was a CIA man,

Why does the Muslim empire matter to a British citizen?My assumption is you support Khalifat movement?
The above is a question not a remark.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Anti-semitism is the result of Christian extremism; Islamophobia is a result of Muslim extremism. The former is a Christian-created problem and the latter is a self-created problem. Please note that I am talking about the root causes here, not the events that have contributed to their evolution.

Is it now?

Islamophobia started because the west started to invade the arab countries and the people retaliated

An example of the west's hypocrisy:

When the Christchurch terrorist attack happened, the west said "Well they got what they deserved, Karma etc."

When the Sri Lanka terrorist attacks happened, they said "Oh look the peacefuls. Blowing stuff up. Spreading terrorism"

So they are willing to accept the Christchurch shooting as a retaliatory act but call the Sri Lanka bombing an unprovoked attack seriously???

I personally see both as terrorist attacks. Both were carried out by terrorists and both attacks should be condemned. Maybe because I'm not a hypocrite

 

[Ronaldo7]

Why does the Muslim empire matter to a British citizen?My assumption is you support Khalifat movement?
The above is a question not a remark.

What's khalifat?

 

[Bewal Express]

Why does the Muslim empire matter to a British citizen?My assumption is you support Khalifat movement?
The above is a question not a remark.

I want peace in the world. I am sick and tired of being told that we Muslim's are inferior and our people can be treated like crap by Inds, Burmese, Chinese, by our leaders and elites. I will be happy with any movement that brings dignity back to our people. This is not to say that Muslims haven't treated other communities shamefully where we are the majorities. That disgusts me just as much.

 

[sweep_shot]

What's khalifat?

I think he meant Khilafah (Caliphate).

 

[JaDed]

I think he meant Khilafah (Caliphate).

Yes, the one Gandhi supported

 

[JaDed]

I want peace in the world. I am sick and tired of being told that we Muslim's are inferior and our people can be treated like crap by Inds, Burmese, Chinese, by our leaders and elites. I will be happy with any movement that brings dignity back to our people. This is not to say that Muslims haven't treated other communities shamefully where we are the majorities. That disgusts me just as much.

So how would an Islamic empire make a difference?
If anything UK should be allowed to rule the world?

 

[mustang]

I want peace in the world. I am sick and tired of being told that we Muslim's are inferior and our people can be treated like crap by Inds, Burmese, Chinese, by our leaders and elites. I will be happy with any movement that brings dignity back to our people. This is not to say that Muslims haven't treated other communities shamefully where we are the majorities. That disgusts me just as much.

Kudos to you for a genuine response that acknowledges all of the sides. Among many of your country men (and from your adversarial nation too) that only blame the "other side" or resort to calling the other side as dogs (case in point, a long time "captain" here posing as a neutral keeps insinuating to Indians as dogs). I'm pretty sure there would be equally bad apples among the Indians as well. To me your genuine post stands out among all of that unnecessary bravado **.

To your point - I agree, the average muslim in the world today does seem to have the unfair end of the stick and there seem to be multiple factors contributing to that.

1. Victimization: The notion that muslim lands have been invaded since around WW2 or later (this could be debatable and I prefer not to digress with that debate) and the resulting anger and victimization leading to rise of radical elements

2. Lower economic growth among muslim countries compared to other contemporary nations. This results in higher unemployment, general hopelessness, less opportunities to clim the socio-economic ladder - all perfect breeding grounds for radical elements. Even the majority moderate non-radicalized people would just feel hopeless in such circumstances.

3. Less education and awareness (and thus lower knowledge capital). Lower emphasis on education compared to other peer nations, this results in lower knowledge capital from a macro-economic standpoint. Knowledge capital is a major variable in economic growth and thus #3 impacts #2 above.

4. Lower gender equality when it comes to education and employment compared to other non-muslim nations. How can you compete with other nations' economic output if around 50% of your society is not being economically productive? As you can see this also contributes to #3 (and #2) above.

5. Less diversified economy contributed by above #2, #3, #4. Thus many of the muslim nations that do end up rich do so mainly due to a commodity based economy. I agree there would be a few exceptions to this rule (there exists an exception to every rule as is the case) but overall it stands true. The bad thing about a commodity based economy is that economy grinds down once that commodity falters in international markets or if that commodity runs out (look up the pacific nation of Nauru as a micro-example).

6. Bad Risk-Reward for international investments - Now, the above #2, #3, #4, #5 also contribute to less than ideal case for foreign investments. If I can get 10% from Brazil with a 0-1 beta of 0.4 or get 11% from Afghanistan with a beta of 0.8 there is no way I'm putting money into Afghanistan for that extra 1%. Risk-reward ratio for muslim nations become unfavorably skewed when it comes to international investments.

7. Radicalization - I touched on this at #1 but emphasizing it again. Majority of muslims are good hard working people who want to excel in life and are fighting for a fair chance. As with every other religion/nation, radical elements in Islam are run by a profiteering few with vested interests and seem to be stuffing their pockets at the expense of innocent young muslim men and women. You will see the exact same among radical Christians/Hindus/Jews. Main reason for radical muslims to have become as dominating among the muslim society is that above points #1-#6 have created a better environment for them to grow and attract hopeless disillusioned unemployed youth to their cause.

Disclaimer 1: Now, you will see a few sections of the Islamic society itself trying to acknowledge and fight this. But (as is the case in every other nation) it is easy to play the blame game and only point the finger to an outside source for all of this. These "blame-gamists" are the louder few offering an easier version of "there is nothing wrong with us, we are perfect, but we have been deprived by these evil outsiders". So they sell a tastier koolaid and people buy into it (true in ALL nations, not just muslim nations). If you are already lagging behind in key metrics, the actions of these "blame-gamers" becomes even more hurting.

Disclaimer 2: I'm not implying muslim nations are inferior in potential or caliber but only shared the current facts. Saying this to emphasize that I'm only giving an objective response to your genuine post and not meaning to sound condescending or anything. You can create a very similar framework and find that Christian/Hindu/Jewish nations are also equally culpable. The culpability of other nations is just masked now due to whatever socio-economic progress that they have.

As is the case in history, the nations that have to play catch up have to run faster initially to catch up before they can afford to run slower and on par with others. Muslim nations now face this same quandary.

 

[Bewal Express]

So how would an Islamic empire make a difference?
If anything UK should be allowed to rule the world?

Do you think these countries would be treating Muslims like they are if there was a strong Muslim country/ countries? No chance.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our meeting in which we decided to set up a BBC type English language TV Channel that, apart from highlighting Muslim issues, will also fight Islamophobia. <a href="https://t.co/GA6o15oJFH">pic.twitter.com/GA6o15oJFH</a></p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1178501729823928320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Rellu_Katta]

A good step, everyone has the right to speak and share their views in this world... heck if we even allow some people to speak on this forum, when clearly they shld be locked up in a mental asylum, then we shld have a proper forum to talk abt the issues of muslim world.

if we have, in this world, an arnab goswami shouting like a mad Spike from Tom n Jerry, then everyone shld have a right to talk (the reference to spike the dog was actually from my indian friend who was surprised that we even bother listening to arnab )

 

[JaDed]

Do you think these countries would be treating Muslims like they are if there was a strong Muslim country/ countries? No chance.

So you are saying Hindus/Sikhs/Jains should have a strong country so if others in BD,Pak,Afg etc don’t treat The Dharmic religion followers in that way?

 

[Bewal Express]

So you are saying Hindus/Sikhs/Jains should have a strong country so if others in BD,Pak,Afg etc don’t treat The Dharmic religion followers in that way?

We are in a corrupt world where the weak are bullied. If groups are treated like rubbish then they need someone powerful to speak for them.

 

[Mamoon]

As Pervez “traitor” Hoodbhoy stated earlier, we are now realizing what it is like to be oppressed and given second class treatment.

The rising extremism in India is a recent phenomena, but minorities have been subjected to atrocities in Pakistan since its inception.

When we decided to draw a clear boundary between Muslims and non-Muslims on our flag and formulated a discriminatory constitution, we ensured that Pakistan will forever remain a country where minority will never receive justice and their due rights, and they will never be considered true citizens of the country.

Regardless of what has happened in India in the last 4-5 years, it is still a far better place for minorities than Pakistan.

Instead of joining hands with his heroes in Turkey and Malaysia and launching a channel that no one (including Imran himself) will watch, Imran should make a sincere effort to end the Ahmadi and Shia discrimination in Pakistan.

However, that would require sincerity and a hypocrisy-free stance, concepts that are alien to Imran.

 

[sweep_shot]

The Foreign Office on Saturday summoned the ambassador of Norway to convey the "deep concern" of the government and people of Pakistan over an incident of desecration of the Holy Quran in the Norwegian city of Kristiansand.

During the meeting, Pakistan’s condemnation of the action was reiterated, a statement issued by the FO said.

"It was underscored that such actions hurt the sentiments of 1.3 billion Muslims around the world, including those in Pakistan," the press release said, adding that such actions could not be justified in the name of "freedom of expression".

An anti-Islam rally in Kristiansand had turned violent last week after its leader attempted to set fire to a copy of the Quran despite warnings from police officials.

Videos that surfaced on social media showed a Muslim youth jumping over a fence and kicking the person burning the holy book. Police then intervened and took the anti-Islam protester and the Muslim youth into custody.

The incident drew nationwide condemnation, with many Pakistanis praising the youth as a hero for defending the Quran.

According to the statement, the FO urged the Norwegian authorities to bring those responsible for the act to justice and to "prevent the recurrence of any such incident in the future".

The ambassador of Pakistan in Oslo has also been instructed to convey Pakistan’s protest and deep concern over the incident to the Norwegian authorities, the FO added.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1518416/p...an-envoy-to-protest-desecration-of-holy-quran.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As Pervez “traitor” Hoodbhoy stated earlier, we are now realizing what it is like to be oppressed and given second class treatment.

The rising extremism in India is a recent phenomena, but minorities have been subjected to atrocities in Pakistan since its inception.

When we decided to draw a clear boundary between Muslims and non-Muslims on our flag and formulated a discriminatory constitution, we ensured that Pakistan will forever remain a country where minority will never receive justice and their due rights, and they will never be considered true citizens of the country.

Regardless of what has happened in India in the last 4-5 years, it is still a far better place for minorities than Pakistan.

Instead of joining hands with his heroes in Turkey and Malaysia and launching a channel that no one (including Imran himself) will watch, Imran should make a sincere effort to end the Ahmadi and Shia discrimination in Pakistan.

However, that would require sincerity and a hypocrisy-free stance, concepts that are alien to Imran.

Agreed. Let's join hands with India instead. How should we go about it? I'm assuming the first step would be to concede Kashmir and the Hindutva push to populate the valley with Hindus. Done and dusted.

What would follow that? You must have seen the hard borders with Bangladesh which are strictly enforced on India's side. How would you envisage Pakistan's growth in partnership with a country which considers it a mortal enemy?

 

[Varun]

Malaysia has banned Shias full stop. And the antics of Turkey are well known - half of the country and its peoples are up in flames.

Imran could have picked better Muslim states to align with.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Malaysia has banned Shias full stop. And the antics of Turkey are well known - half of the country and its peoples are up in flames.

Imran could have picked better Muslim states to align with.

Like India for example?

 

[Mesozoic]

Like India for example?

Yes.

India has more Muslims than Turkey and Malaysia combined.

 

[Technics 1210]

Great initiative!

It's a well accepted fact in the West, even among politicians, that regime change in the Middle East was not only wrong, but failed miserably. The power vacuum created by Western foreign policy meant the likes of Al-Qaeda and ISIS cloud flourish and breed. In other words the West believes when Saddam and Gaddafi were alive, they may not have towed the Western narrative but they kept these animals in check.

Bin-Laden and his men, were once US alleys. What happen? The Western narrative needed a bogeyman after Afghanistan/Russia war. Rest is history.

Islamophobia is predominantly the result of bias and sensationalist reporting in the West, controlled by yes you guessed it, Zionists, propagating a political narrative in support for votes and illegal wars.

Now the narrative is changing in the West, we are hearing more about China and Russia. It's a cycle.

Do not believe a word the likes of Mamoon say. People like him were were only about 2 years old in 1992, but make up for ignorance by repeating what Wikipedia has to say - missing out the pertinent details.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes.

India has more Muslims than Turkey and Malaysia combined.

Who regularly get told to go to Pakistan if they don't like the Hindutva policies.

 

[Mesozoic]

Who regularly get told to go to Pakistan if they don't like the Hindutva policies.

And how does that even matter ?

What better way to counter Islamophobia than by joining hands with the second biggest Muslim country in the world ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And how does that even matter ?

What better way to counter Islamophobia than by joining hands with the second biggest Muslim country in the world ?

Ok let's do it. We can start by the larger and more powerful country showing initiative on the sports level. How about inviting Pakistani players to partake in the IPL to show some goodwill. Wouldn't that show some intent!

 

[Varun]

Like India for example?

If it has to be 2, I would actually recommend:

1. Bangladesh - The only Muslim country culturally similar to Pakistan, and without any blood on its hands. Synergies can be explored, and alliances built to counter Islamophobia globally with a common moderate denominator.

2. British Muslims - Although not a country, this lot has a lot of drive. It just has to be channeled from the sea of underachievement and mediocrity to something tangible, and this cause can just do the trick. Thank me later!

 

[Syed1]

Malaysia has banned Shias full stop. And the antics of Turkey are well known - half of the country and its peoples are up in flames.

Imran could have picked better Muslim states to align with.

LOL @ banned Shias.... world over the Shia-Sunni divide isn't as great as seen in Saudi and Iran and to a lesser extent in Pakistan. Only one Islam was revealed to the world, this Shia Sunni separation is man made. I've been to Malaysia and they only have one type of mosques where all "sects" pray together. Same is the case in Canada, you will struggle to find Shia only or Sunni only mosques.

 

[Varun]

LOL @ banned Shias.... world over the Shia-Sunni divide isn't as great as seen in Saudi and Iran and to a lesser extent in Pakistan. Only one Islam was revealed to the world, this Shia Sunni separation is man made. I've been to Malaysia and they only have one type of mosques where all "sects" pray together. Same is the case in Canada, you will struggle to find Shia only or Sunni only mosques.

Malaysia detains dozens of Shias in new crackdown

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian authorities detained dozens of Shias in raids over the past week as they marked Muharram.

Malaysia has a Muslim majority but most follow Sunni Islam.

On Monday eight men were detained by religious authorities and police in southern Johor state at a private residence, according to a participant.

“They used violence on us, some of us were handcuffed. They accused us of insulting Islam,” cleric Hasan Askari said on Wednesday.

On Friday religious officials and police in central Selangor state arrested 22 Shias at a private property, according to cleric Kamil Zuhairi.

Religious authorities in Selangor confirmed the arrests and said it was because Shia teachings are banned in the state, the official Bernama news agency reported.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2054112/3-malaysia-detains-dozens-shias-new-crackdown/

Malaysian government to Shia Muslims: Keep your beliefs to yourself

Followers of the Shia sect of Islam are allowed to practice their religion, but may not spread their beliefs to others, according to the minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, Jamil Khir Baharom.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-08-22/malaysian-government-shia-muslims-keep-your-beliefs-yourself

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[Syed1]

...

Ok well played.

 

[Mamoon]

So after the leader of the “nuclear power” bowed down to his Saudi masters, what happens to this channel that no one was going to watch in the first place?

 

[Lonewarrior]

So after the leader of the “nuclear power” bowed down to his Saudi masters, what happens to this channel that no one was going to watch in the first place?

are you going to watch it ?

 

[topspin]

So after the leader of the “nuclear power” bowed down to his Saudi masters, what happens to this channel that no one was going to watch in the first place?

It will get Wahabi funding and thus subsequently become a Wahabi channel.

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan voices concern over rising Islamophobia at a newly-formed UN group

NEW YORK: Pakistan, in an obvious reference to India, told a UN panel Thursday that a deliberate campaign of hatred in the region was targeting adherents of a particular religious group that led to state-sponsored violence against them and stepped up attacks on their places of worship.

Speaking at the launch of a ‘Group of Friends of Victims of Acts of Violence based on Religion or Belief’, Pakistani representative Qasim Aziz said that hateful political rhetoric and incitement to violence in Pakistan’s neighbourhood was routinely used as a weapon against vulnerable minority groups, while also expressing grave concern over the alarming rise of Islamophobia worldwide.

Pakistan became the founding member of the new group formed in pursuance of last year’s General Assembly resolution that it jointly tabled with Poland, along with other cross-regional member states. Under the terms of the resolution, August 22 was designated as International Day in support of the victims of violence based on their religion or belief.

In his comments, the Pakistani representative drew attention to the rising global Islamophobia that he stressed represented the contemporary manifestation of a similar kind of age-old hatred that spawned anti-semitism, racism, apartheid and many other forms of discrimination.

“Today, Islamophobia is slowly overtaking other forms of religious bigotry and violence,” Aziz told the Group. “Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to practice, look and live as a Muslim in many parts of the world,” he said, pointing out that the Christchurch, New Zealand, attack last year was a grim reminder of this fact.

The deliberate campaign of hatred in Pakistan’s neighborhood, Aziz said, targeted against a particular religious group, leading to repeated incidents of state-sponsored pogroms, increased attacks on their places of worship and in some instances highly discriminatory citizenship laws.

Earlier, one of the main panelists, the UN Special Rapportuer on Freedom of Religion or Belief, Ahmed Shaheed, also expressed similar concerns about increased attacks against Muslims and other minorities in India.

https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...ising-islamophobia-at-a-newly-formed-un-group

 

[Napa]

Pakistan voices concern over rising Islamophobia at a newly-formed UN group

a deliberate campaign of hatred in the region was targeting adherents of a particular religious group that led to state-sponsored violence against them and stepped up attacks on their places of worship.

Surely he must be referring to the plight of the Uyghurs. No?

 

[Abdullah719]

Surely he must be referring to the plight of the Uyghurs. No?

Nah, I think it’s this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In year 1993 when I was still a boy, the BSF cordoned off our locality Maharaj Gunj, Srinagar. As usual announcement was made on loudspeakers to gather in Sokalipora near MirwaizManzil RajouriKadal. I was naive, wearing school uniform & wasn't aware of what horrible experience + <a href="https://t.co/PcHIJ30Ld1">pic.twitter.com/PcHIJ30Ld1</a></p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288529809447026689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When I stood in front the Gypsy, the sound of horn was heard and immediately my hell experience dawned upon me. My shirt was removed and I was blind folded, hands cuffed & feet tied. They kept me behind Gypsy till parade of people was completed. Seven more people were picked up.+</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288531206750044161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They started his interrogation at 7.30 in the morning till 11.30. You can imagine what may go through a person's mind when he knows he is the next one to be treated like that. We were in an animal slaughter house. I was hearing painful shrieks & shouts as they interrogated him.+</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288532021153865730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They laughed at me, I saw blood everywhere, blood stains on walls, and smell of human flesh. They stripped me naked & tied me with ropes. Electric wire was wrapped around my toes & private part. A single power touch which they gave us is equal to one thousand dog bites together.+</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288532034567245825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Soon I fell down unconscious. They poured water on me, for me to regain consciousness to keep doing what they were doing. They kept asking me to hand over to them weapons and information about militants of my locality. How could a kid know all this? At least I did not. +</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288533278937485313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Part of just one of many such stories.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nah, I think it’s this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In year 1993 when I was still a boy, the BSF cordoned off our locality Maharaj Gunj, Srinagar. As usual announcement was made on loudspeakers to gather in Sokalipora near MirwaizManzil RajouriKadal. I was naive, wearing school uniform & wasn't aware of what horrible experience + <a href="https://t.co/PcHIJ30Ld1">pic.twitter.com/PcHIJ30Ld1</a></p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288529809447026689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When I stood in front the Gypsy, the sound of horn was heard and immediately my hell experience dawned upon me. My shirt was removed and I was blind folded, hands cuffed & feet tied. They kept me behind Gypsy till parade of people was completed. Seven more people were picked up.+</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288531206750044161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They started his interrogation at 7.30 in the morning till 11.30. You can imagine what may go through a person's mind when he knows he is the next one to be treated like that. We were in an animal slaughter house. I was hearing painful shrieks & shouts as they interrogated him.+</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288532021153865730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They laughed at me, I saw blood everywhere, blood stains on walls, and smell of human flesh. They stripped me naked & tied me with ropes. Electric wire was wrapped around my toes & private part. A single power touch which they gave us is equal to one thousand dog bites together.+</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288532034567245825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Soon I fell down unconscious. They poured water on me, for me to regain consciousness to keep doing what they were doing. They kept asking me to hand over to them weapons and information about militants of my locality. How could a kid know all this? At least I did not. +</p>— &#55349;&#56893;✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288533278937485313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Part of just one of many such stories.

If pakistan had cared about its minorities in a similar fashion.

 

[MenInG]

Shameful how some here dont have an ounce of sympathy for their compatriots. All I see is feeble arguments about China etc - but to be expected.

 

[Napa]

Nah, I think it’s this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In year 1993 when I was still a boy, the BSF cordoned off our locality Maharaj Gunj, Srinagar. As usual announcement was made on loudspeakers to gather in Sokalipora near MirwaizManzil RajouriKadal. I was naive, wearing school uniform & wasn't aware of what horrible experience + <a href="https://t.co/PcHIJ30Ld1">pic.twitter.com/PcHIJ30Ld1</a></p>— ��✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288529809447026689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When I stood in front the Gypsy, the sound of horn was heard and immediately my hell experience dawned upon me. My shirt was removed and I was blind folded, hands cuffed & feet tied. They kept me behind Gypsy till parade of people was completed. Seven more people were picked up.+</p>— ��✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288531206750044161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They started his interrogation at 7.30 in the morning till 11.30. You can imagine what may go through a person's mind when he knows he is the next one to be treated like that. We were in an animal slaughter house. I was hearing painful shrieks & shouts as they interrogated him.+</p>— ��✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288532021153865730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They laughed at me, I saw blood everywhere, blood stains on walls, and smell of human flesh. They stripped me naked & tied me with ropes. Electric wire was wrapped around my toes & private part. A single power touch which they gave us is equal to one thousand dog bites together.+</p>— ��✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288532034567245825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Soon I fell down unconscious. They poured water on me, for me to regain consciousness to keep doing what they were doing. They kept asking me to hand over to them weapons and information about militants of my locality. How could a kid know all this? At least I did not. +</p>— ��✏ (@Kesmir_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kesmir_/status/1288533278937485313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Part of just one of many such stories.

If terrorists are killing Indian forces, you can expect some measures to be taken by them to defend themselves. The soldiers killed in Pulwama were also also husbands, sons, fathers and brothers.

Pakistan’s “steadfast friend” China is currently carrying out a genocide, with forcible abortions and sterilizations. You are delusional if you think that is in any way comparable to what is happening in Kashmir, where people have the same democratic rights as other Indians including the right to vote.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Surely he must be referring to the plight of the Uyghurs. No?

If you truly believe the Uighurs are suffering a terrible plight, then why don't the most powerful nations band together to save them like they did the beleaguered Jews in Europe?

 

[Napa]

If you truly believe the Uighurs are suffering a terrible plight, then why don't the most powerful nations band together to save them like they did the beleaguered Jews in Europe?

1) Yes, I truly believe. Do you any reason not to believe?

2) The US is taking some action, they recently imposed some sanctions.

3) Your knowledge of history is poor. The “most powerful nations” didn’t go to war to save the Jews. US went to war because Japan attacked it and the Soviet Union went to war because Germany attacked it.

No replies till I see something intelligent

 

[Slog]

If terrorists are killing Indian forces, you can expect some measures to be taken by them to defend themselves. The soldiers killed in Pulwama were also also husbands, sons, fathers and brothers.

Pakistan’s “steadfast friend” China is currently carrying out a genocide, with forcible abortions and sterilizations. You are delusional if you think that is in any way comparable to what is happening in Kashmir, where people have the same democratic rights as other Indians including the right to vote.

The main difference is that India is doing it in internationally disputed territory (facts do not care for your feelings or opinion).

 

[coy0607]

1) Yes, I truly believe. Do you any reason not to believe?

2) The US is taking some action, they recently imposed some sanctions.

3) Your knowledge of history is poor. The “most powerful nations” didn’t go to war to save the Jews. US went to war because Japan attacked it and the Soviet Union went to war because Germany attacked it.

No replies till I see something intelligent

Good response. Might I add that 'war' isn't what it was in the 1940's. You can't simply land troops in Xinjiang that way you did at Normandy. US ban on CCP officials is an effective first step, Uyghurs issue is gaining attention and hopefully a bigger coalition emerges from other countries.

 

[Napa]

Good response. Might I add that 'war' isn't what it was in the 1940's. You can't simply land troops in Xinjiang that way you did at Normandy. US ban on CCP officials is an effective first step, Uyghurs issue is gaining attention and hopefully a bigger coalition emerges from other countries.

Yes, let’s hope other nations follow the US example and impose sanctions to support the Ugyhurs.

Also, as China is armed with nukes which makes war very different.

 

[Napa]

The main difference is that India is doing it in internationally disputed territory (facts do not care for your feelings or opinion).

Excuses like China is carrying out genocide but in internationally non-disputed territory are rather poor.

 

[Slog]

Excuses like China is carrying out genocide but in internationally non-disputed territory are rather poor.

These are no excuses. If anything I have always criticized the repressive Chinese regime on its treatment of Uighyurs.

However it is a fact that Kashmir is an internationally disputed territory and recognised as such so the way it will be looked is going to be different from Xinjiang which is recognised as part of China by every country in the world.

Just laying out a fact in that context. I do not make or need to make any excuses for Chinese treatment of Uighyurs but at the same time recognize why for some the problem is looked at from a different lens. The problem in the disputed region of Kashmir and the problems in Xinjiang are not mutually exclusive. You can call out both at the same time while focusing on the problem which is more relevant to you.

What really surprises me is that even India has not said a word against China on Xinjiang despite the deteriorating relations. Seems like an easy bait and in-line with the mood after Chinese bullying in Galwan Valley.