Abbas had been really good, so one player found for 3-4 years, but Yasir is fading away. This is common for every team - problem for PAK is once Yasir fades away, they might bring back Babar (Zulfi); and when Azhar fades away, they'll bring back MoHa again ..... this is the biggest issue for me - an young team isn't allowed to grow and constantly teams average age is alarmingly higher - players are not picked at right time, otherwise that Asia Cup or NZ series show was too low even for current PAK. CT didn't teach PCB that, there is a right age for building generation - younger players can learn first and they can deliver if given confidence.
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Abbas had been really good, so one player found for 3-4 years, but Yasir is fading away. This is common for every team - problem for PAK is once Yasir fades away, they might bring back Babar (Zulfi); and when Azhar fades away, they'll bring back MoHa again ..... this is the biggest issue for me - an young team isn't allowed to grow and constantly teams average age is alarmingly higher - players are not picked at right time, otherwise that Asia Cup or NZ series show was too low even for current PAK. CT didn't teach PCB that, there is a right age for building generation - younger players can learn first and they can deliver if given confidence.
Pakistan also had first choice players banned when they toured Australia many times, In-fact still nobody is selecting Asif who is the best bowler in Pakistan even at 36. They also have sharjeel who played so well against Starc and co in Australia last time. But these things dont really mean anything for both side they dont change the result of the current series or events. We are not even sure Asutralia will ever have those 3 fast bowlers fit again together. Will Warner come back the same player? he seems to have lost interest. so many if and buts.
True - but I am saying even without couple of their pacers + Smith/Warner banned - they are well ahead of PAK at home. If you set your standard with Amir, Butt, Kaneria & Sharjeel to be No. 1 or competing with AUS in AUS for Test Cricket, then I can only say - you have long, long, long way to get in to this game. Just notice - I have left Asif from that list, because I do back myself to know a fraction of this game, particularly the longer version.
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Pakistan with banned players couldn’t do in Australia what Australia with banned players did in the UAE, i.e. avoid a whitewash. What is the argument?
Last time Amir played in Aus he had a great series, Kaneria also bowled well despite kamaran drops, Butt also had a century at Perth against Mcgrath and co and Sharjeel also more than did his job and was turning out to be a good player against pace and bounce. Also I am not sure this exact 11 can win against Pakistan even at home, but closer to first choice 11 will beat Pakistan but nobody knows they will ever get that team together. Or they might even find some good players soon they have been able to do so in the past.
Pakistan have also drawn an odd test match in the past, And this drawn test match was same and nothing more they promptly lost the second one with record margin. Australia was whitewashed last time. Plus were are talking about current ranking not what happened almost 3 years ago.
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The only reason Pakistan was able to win a test is because of 1 bowler. In his absence Pakistan would have to struggled to get Australia out twice in both tests. Abbas was on a completely different level compared to all other bowlers.
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Pakistan should have won 2-0 here, so 1-0 is a series win but one we made a lot more hard work of winning then we should have.
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You earn same number of points for winning 6 out of 6 games vs 12 out of 12 games as long as those 6 or 12 are your 100% of games.
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That past is more like ancient history now. Besides, current ranking is how current? Does it include the whitewash to Sri Lanka in the UAE last year? I am sorry but you are not making any argument here.
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I am not sure that's the only reason. Pakistan won toss both times.
Argument is right now Pakistan is better test team than Australia, as reflected in the results not only in this series but through out 2018. Pakistan drew a series in England earlier Australia lost to SA.
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Again, even now if Pakistan goes to Australia they will be humiliated against the same players. Another whitewash beckons in South Africa as well.
Results in England are our only bragging point. That is it.
Ifs and buts dont count sorry, If and when Pakistan lose to Australia I will accept they are not as good as them. But right now results clearly show they are better than Australia currently.
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I agree, Pakistan will beat Australia in Australia as well.
Nobody has to agree on this to accept Pakistan is currently better than Australia. Pakistan is not due to tour Aus for a while yet if and when they do i suspect both teams would have changed quite a bit. And if Australia is still playing this current 11 they would be in massive trouble.
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So you don’t agree that Pakistan will beat Australia in Australia, but you are confident enough to claim that Pakistan is a better team currently.
I would love this Pakistan to play this Australian 11 that they played in Abu dhabi tomorrow in Australia as this would represent Pakistan best chance ever to win in Australia. But unfortunately by the time Pakistan tour Australia next they will be stronger. To answer you actual question I am not sure I am not confident this Australian side can definitely beat Pakistan even Australia.
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Pakistan is touring Australia in October 2019, do only 11 months left.
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And we will lose 2-0 or 3-0 again depending on how many tests we are given.
Thats a lot of time, I am pretty sure both teams would have change a lot by that time.
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Pitch did not come into play much in this series as it was easy to bat on. The only difference was Abbas who picked up wickets on surfaces that were not very helpful for the seamers.
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We should have won 2-0, but for two freak knocks from Khawaja and Paine. NZ will be tougher as they don't fold this easily, and a lot will depend on how we do in the T20I/ODI series against them.
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True... but then NZ don't have a spinner like Lyon either who was the biggest threat to Pakistan in this series and also the best performing Aussie.
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That's why I said a lot depends on how we do in the T20I and ODI series. If we get blown away, our batters will end up giving rubbish spinners such as Todd Astle a few cheap wickets in Tests
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Lyon was the best spinner in this series and he had to bowl first rather than last. I am not sure if it would made too much difference, but spinners would have preferred to bowl last.
Score board pressure is totally different thing - for PAK's batting even more, because of the slow scoring nature. Once you are behind some runs, it becomes a mental block, rather than it's spinners or pacers. Here are 4 classic examples -
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...h-africa-tour-of-united-arab-emirates-2013-14
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ri-lanka-tour-of-united-arab-emirates-2013-14
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...-zealand-tour-of-united-arab-emirates-2014-15
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...dies-3rd-test-west-indies-tour-of-uae-2016-17
Interestingly, not only spinners, actually pacers did more damage in 2nd innings in most occasion - batting first almost always helps in Test cricket, and it's unfairly helps in Asia.
Logic here of people like Mamoon can be broken down to: If pak wins against a team like AUS, Eng, SA, Ind then bring in ifs and buts, hypothetical scenarios and claim the other team did not have players X, Y, Z(As if the other team was playing with 3-4 men short). Also if the game was in UAE, then claim we can only win at home etc.
If Pakistan Win against a team like WI, SL, BANG, then claim that we can only beat these lesser teams
If Pak beats a strong team like Eng in England, then claim that we can only win in England and not in SA and AUS.
If we do win in SA and AUS then call it a fluke and predict the next series will be a reality check. The other option is to pick out a bad decision or a drop catch by the opponent or a run out as the reason why we won.
Bottom line: Never appreciate the team and find reasons to be overly negitive.
If Pakistan loses all the games it plays in Australia, and Australia is able to draw one out of two in UAE, wouldn't you agree that Australia should be ranked higher?
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Ranking shouldn't be based on H2H. Ranking should be based on over all performance against all teams.
But we are talking about right now, Pakistan lost in the past in Aus but that was a different team and Pakistan whitewashed them in return promptly. But this current Australian team I am sure Pakistan will do okay against but unfortunately by the time Pakistan go to Australia proper players will be back.
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Agree with this. Batting first does give advantage in most venues.
Just out of curiosity I pulled UAE record for the last 10 years.
Pakistan has W/L of 3.3 after winning the toss
W/L drops to 1.3 after losing the toss.
Then imagine PAK captains winning like 4 out of 5 tosses there : All 4 against AU, 3 against NZ, 2 each against SAF, probably 5 out of 6 against ENG, all 3 against WIN .... only SRL has a better Toss win, game win as well.
That W/L ratio after winning the toss is considering last 3 losses are after winning toss, last 2 draws as well.
In both test matches pitches were not any more difficult to bat in the latter days, so batting fourth was not a disadvantage to Australia. They struggled in both matches only due to Pakistan batting well enough to take lead and build pressure. Abbas and Bolal Asif (despite being under bowled in the 2nd matc) bowled really well to win the series for Pak, not due to any special assist from last day pitch.
It's laughable to think that Australia would have done better had missing pavers played. If champion bowler like Starc and ever so dependable Peter riddle could not do much , I very much doubt they would have knocked out Pak in UAE. Remember Aus were beaten 2-0 last time.
Pakistan dominated most session in both matches and only a great inning by Khawaja and Yasir's bad form saved Aus from losing 2-0 this time as well. Nevertheless Pak won the series despite trying some new players and losing regular opener Imam as well. Playing in UAE for Pakistan is not as much advantage as playing in Australia is for the Aus team,; pity we cannot play teams in our real home. Well played Pakistan , will need harder work against NZ.
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On the record i have said that india is way better than pakistan at home so not sure why you have to bring india here. if my intention was to take a dig at india than i would have bring them straight to topic neither they have played 8 test nor 12 exact figure was 14 which clearly have not mention. My words are straight to topic and i am not good at taking jibe at other like many here so i don.t why have you come up with this
I back my word and team to win atleast 80 % of test matches if we play at uae and previous record at uae also show that we have decent test record in uae and i stick to what i said if we play 8 to 12 test matches in uae we will do good and regain in top 3 test team
About SA series it was pakistan first test series in uae and misbah first series as a captain so both side were equal at that time as both were unfimilar to conditions so not sure how much you can blame pakistan for losing one test
About Nz series it was played in 2014 and alot have change for both side mucculm was at peak with batting and captaincy and this time they won.t draw a series i can gurranatee you that winning the series is too far for them
Sl series was first series for sarfraz i would give him a benifit of doubt and also it is very much possible herath and perara will retire soon so don.t think beating sl will be problem in future in uae.
There are alot of ifs and buts but the one thing this pak team lack is test match practice and they get better with playing more than one test (prime example is yasir shah who looks rusty in 3 inning but in last inning he was gaining some venom with the ball which is evident while who ever watch in last inning of 2nd test same case is with azhar ,asad shafiq if they play test regularly in uae they will be improve in batting .
As clearly i mention above i did not have taken jibe at india i .your kind word for me is remarkable in the end thanks for that
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Some time it's just he scoreboard pressure fragile batting line ups. Anyway, I don't think that this Aus team had it in them to win in UAE. They did draw the first test, but they were still out played. Aus winning toss may have made games closer , but just my guess here.
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Agree with statement that Aus does have more advantage to win in Aus conditions. Hopefully , games get played in Pakistan in near future. It's in my bucket list to watch a test in Pakistan. I should have done that when I had chance.
PAK indeed lacks Test practice, mostly because of playing 2 Test series - needs to ensure 3/4 Test series.
Not sure about 80% win ratio though (which is again India's home standard, but here I am bringing IND, so relax) - as of now, it stands 14 out of 28 since 2010; that's like 50%. Next 5 Series I think is against NZ, BD, SAF, ENG & SRL - that's like 15 Tests, 80% means 12 out of 15 (3 is given against BD minnow), so left is 9 out of 12 - hope great days start from NZ series.
2013-14 wasn't Misbah's first series, while PAK team also has changed "a bit" from last time NZ came here, but yes, this time they won't draw the series losing all 3 tosses for sure. But, that SAF series was indeed more unfamiliar for PAK that time in 2013-14 than 2018, this I accept looking at the Asia Cup show - that's into 10th year as host and 35 years in UAE, so 4 & 29 years is definitely less experience in 2013.
I would been happy also, had I been a bit more relieved with the venom of Yasir's bowling in last innings, but good luck to him indeed. May be 20 wickets against NZ this time?
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Winning the toss is indeed important in uae but this is same case in most countries these days .yasir may not take 20 wicket against nz but his rough patch have also shown that pakistan can win a test match without his A level performance which is indeed good for pakistan team and surprising for many expert who have said without yasir we won.t be able to beat even w.i which seems to be not a case now
Abbas did cover lot & bowled exceptionally well - if he gets support from Amir & Afridi - almost alone can win a Test in SAF.
I think, Yasir myth is self created by PAK & it's Think Tank - the mantra seems to be Yasir taking 10 wickets from one end & rest other shares 10; when there are capable spinners available to share the load. We have been bashing enough here to pick a 2nd spinner and finally guy at 33 did made a difference - I am sure many others are available as well.
I do think PAK is capable of winning Test without Yasir in UAE & wrote many times that UAE is a place for 2.5 spinners, if not 3.5, but don't think management/selectors believe that; hence you can't blame anyone for making PAK completely Yasir dependent (to win an UAE Test). Couple of years back, Misbah almost killed Yasir with like 110 overs in a Test, and gave 10-12 overs to the 2nd spinner Nawaz ..... then, how can you point fingers to others? Last SRL series does reflect that thought process - Yasir boom or bust.
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Quality anaylsis sarfraz also seems to be losing confidence in yasir but lets see if yasir can survive 2 to 3 years more or not
If Pakistan beat NZL by a margin of two tests, they will end up at fifth position at worst. Depending on SL and Eng series, Pakistan can be fourth.
Anyway 2-0 win for Pakistan is quite likely considering the mediocre NZL batting, and assuming that Yasir Shah gets his bowling lengths right. Will be fun.
Anyway 2-0 win for Pakistan is quite likely considering the mediocre NZL batting, and assuming that Yasir Shah gets his bowling lengths right. Will be fun.
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They have Santner, he's very skillful. As well as Boult and Southee who can actually still bowl in the subcontinent. They're not a low level team like the Aussies right now.
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Unless we fare well in South Africa, we will be languishing at no 5-7 in the near future. I’d suggest that PCB must send the A team to tour South Africa as soon as possible.
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Ross Taylor and Kane Williamson are miles ahead of any other Pakistani batsmen right now.
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True reflection of this young side will be after SA series as we would play all top teams by then except for India.
i would be happy if we end up in top 4-5 after SA series. That would be great.
Right now we have lost against SL, drew against Eng and won against Aus. So not bad.
i would be happy if we end up in top 4-5 after SA series. That would be great.
Right now we have lost against SL, drew against Eng and won against Aus. So not bad.
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Test Squad
Kane Williamson (c), Todd Astle, Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Matt Henry, Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Ajaz Patel, Jeet Raval, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling
Kane Williamson (c), Todd Astle, Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Colin de Grandhomme, Matt Henry, Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Ajaz Patel, Jeet Raval, Ish Sodhi, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling
I think, their 2 spinners will be Sodhi & Patel. Patel had a great County season for Div 2 champs Warwickshire, and he should still be eligible for selection. Or they’ll go with 3 pacers (Wegnar as 3rd pacer) & Williamson bowling lot more than usual.
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2014 series they used 3 spinner santner ,ish sodhi and mark craig which work for them so i think they
will think about same plan of three spinner sodhi,patel,astle along with southee and boult other two but santner lost will jolt there combination as he was decent batter but it is not case with patel ho has brittle record as a batsmen .the more realistic bowling combination will be Southee,Boult,wagner,sodhi and patel
As the chart changes after every series even when Pak are at the bottom doesn't concern me. A few wins put up right there amongst the top ranked teams again. We we should defeat New Zealand then most likely lose to the South Africans.
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We have had issues with leg spin in the past. Sohdi won't be easy for our batsmen.
