You arguments are valid except you must accept Pakistan is primarily Urdu speaking country and they actually prefer to speak English unlike say Indian who prefer English over Hindi.
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Pakistan Must hire a Translator for Post Match Ceremony Interviews
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You arguments are valid except you must accept Pakistan is primarily Urdu speaking country and they actually prefer to speak English unlike say Indian who prefer English over Hindi.
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Would Pak fans have a problem with South Africans speaking in Afrikans or Zulu?
I wouldn't mind as long as they are transalated. (If its in South Africa I still would prefer a transalator but more acceptable to let it go). Similar Afghanis, Bangladeshis etc speaking their own language: fine but transalation would be good for a world audience but if not accepted more without in their own countries.
I wouldn't mind as long as they are transalated. (If its in South Africa I still would prefer a transalator but more acceptable to let it go). Similar Afghanis, Bangladeshis etc speaking their own language: fine but transalation would be good for a world audience but if not accepted more without in their own countries.
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Rana or somebody might want to email the PCB and request a transalator for post match and especially for PSL. Would be good thanks.
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Not a surprise. They're probably from down South.
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It's not even like the stuff they say in Urdu is anything path-breaking. It's the usual "team management gave me confidence", "I was happy to play a long innings" stuff.
Well they took serious offence and was like who told you hindi is our national language etc. This explain why there is such a craze to speak English in India as opposed to Pakistan.
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Probably Tamilian or Malayali. I'm Tamilian and would react the same way.
Hindi is a 'use on demand' language for us, and not a default verbal lubricant.
Yes exactly they were Malayali, But people need to realise Pakistan is a different country in this regard and Urdu is truly a universal language in Pakistan and people who cant speak it are considered backwards and living behind a stone.
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This is the elephant in the room.
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Slightly off topic but is the PSL opening ceremony going to be in English? It's not really a big deal for me but I suppose as songs and ents will be in Urdu then I doubt Sky Sports will broadcast it live for UK viewers. However, I rather not watch the Opening closing ceremonies as long as the cricket is good with excellent reliable coverage on a reliable broadcaster like Sky.
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Think more than translations, its probably better to train players to give more meaningful info to the audience. Making banal statements like we will do our best or give 100% etc is pretty useless in any language!
First of i would like to thank Almighty and because boys played well and ajju bhai who asked us to bowl on stumps. They wont give u more than this no matter which language you use.
Yes if a brain like warne is speaking u d like to listen or else i just tune in to watch who is mom
Yes if a brain like warne is speaking u d like to listen or else i just tune in to watch who is mom
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Unfortunately, our players do not promote their heritage through their social media accounts and neither does PCB.
All PCB’s social media content is in English and the players pay media managers to tweet for them in English.
PCB should provide Urdu content on its special media and also write the names and numbers in Urdu on the back of the shirts.
Moreover, PCB should also remove the word “board” from its name, since “board” is an English word and so is “cricket”.
The colonial mentality of PCB and the players is shameful.
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I agree that it should be in English. It's quite disrespectful to the opposition a bit too I guess, I don't know if they pay much attention to post match presentations especially in the Covid days but its silly not to speak in English when you want to attract a global audience.
LOL at the thread.. Pakistan have no colonial hang over as proven by most of the players not even bothering to learn English. Regarding names etc that is done by the companies thats their only job.
Colonial mentality is when the likes of Virat openly admit he spent time learning English since he needed to. I hope the future Indian captains don't feel the need to learn English to be taken seriously.
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Yes absolutely! Another one is that coach/captain/senior player gave me the confidence to play this knock.
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There is no obligation for the players to post in English on Twitter, Instagram. 99% of their followers are Pakistanis so they don’t need to post in English.
If we go by the idiotic logic of most posters in this thread, it is also an example of colonial hangover.
Looks like the players do not want to show pride in their culture and heritage on social media.
The entire South India cannot speak or understand Hindi. Their population is greater than Pakistan.
That is why English is the common medium of communication in India.
At least educate yourself before commenting.
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Why did you post this in English and not this? :
ایل او ایل تھریڈ میں .. پاکستان کے پاس نوآبادیاتی رجحان نہیں ہے جیسا کہ زیادہ تر کھلاڑیوں نے انگریزی سیکھنے کی زحمت بھی نہیں کی۔ ناموں کے بارے میں جو کمپنیوں کے ذریعہ کیا جاتا ہے وہ ان کا واحد کام کرتا ہے۔
نوآبادیاتی ذہنیت تب ہوتی ہے جب ویرات کی پسند کے کھل کر اعتراف کرتے ہیں کہ جب سے انہیں ضرورت تھی انگریزی سیکھنے میں صرف کیا۔ مجھے امید ہے کہ آئندہ ہندوستانی کپتان سنجیدگی سے لینے کے لئے انگریزی سیکھنے کی ضرورت محسوس نہیں کریں گے۔
Why do thye not learn their own or Indian language and prefer English? Educate yourself..
Because I am on an international panel and I also not someone who has an international platform to represent my own language or heritage. I am also not from a nation whose people like to learn another country language over their own.
Atleast people should not try and let other be proud of the language they speak if they cant do it themselves.
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Yes there should be a translator. PCB needs to stop being cheap and having players or coaches be the translator. Hire a professional translator so players can answer any English question without having to worry about it.
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In schools of India, in north India English and Hindi are taught since childhood. In Punjab region it is 3 languages. In most of south India it is their regional language plus English. In fact Many South Indians can converse and understand in upto 4-5 regional languages.
But sometimes they are not fairly comfortable in Hindi. So to communicate between different cultures of North and South English works as a bridging language in India.
So, if you have to target a wide Audience even movies and advertisements are either dubbed in English or local language.
Please educate yourself before spouting nonsense.
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Spot on
But why English again? I know all of what you said but why adopt a foreign language and not your own?
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The players should learn the basics of English.
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English has been spoken in India since the beginning of 17th Century now..
There is a class of English in itself.. Called Indian English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English
Yes it came from colonial times, but you want Indians to invent another language when this can act as an easier bridging language.
Most of the words of Hindi... Kamarband, Yoga, Bungalow, Guru etc are also in the Oxford Dictionary and certified English words as well.
So, English is not a foreign language anymore for us. It is intertwined along with a mix of another 700 plus languages spoken in such a large country.
Being multilingual is good for your brain development, So why not learn new language even if it is foreign.
As long as it is not Forced, Like Urdu was being forced on Bengalis.
We, as Indians, are fairly comfortable with our distinct and diverse culture and identity, and English acts as a bridge between these different languages.
99% of the things we Desis use in our life are foreign including our underwears. And if you look at history of Urdu, it was actually a language promoted by British to counter influence of Persian.
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For South Indians Hindi and other North Indian languages would be just as foreign as English. There languages are from another language family than the North Indian ones, so its alot harder for them to learn Hindi, then it would be for a Punjabi to learn Hindi.
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Theres no issue
Its better they speak urdu than give banal english statements such as boys played well management gave confidence etc etc
Its better they speak urdu than give banal english statements such as boys played well management gave confidence etc etc
Its not abou things that we use.. If somebody wants to buy a ferrari because its better than any car produced at home thats okay similar to somebody buying Asian mangoes.
Again I am aware South Indians struggle to speak Hindi but the have mastered English why? This for me is colonial mentality. Why do people consider English superior language compare to one of their own?
And regarding Urdu history is irrelevant at this stage as its a known national language in Pakistan and should be and is prioritized over any other foreign language. In Pakistan its can be forgiven if you cant speak English but not Urdu which is the right way of going about it.
But again why English? Why embrace English so much? and not any one of your won language which could be Hindi as its spoken by around 60%? Why not further Hindi? Why promote English so much? Who said invent another language when they have many of their own? colonial mind set is that they are not worth speaking. English language is forced on Indians by their colonial mindset, In India you are looked at as uneducated and embarrassing if you dont speak English but please keep that to India and not apply the same colonial mindset to Pakistan.
We dont even need a bridging language so dont even have that poor excuse.
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Here we have a classic case of a mature poster.
Lets here your thoughts about why we should just speak urdu on a live English feed with no translation?
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Bhai if Columbus had a proper navigator it would have been Spanish instead of English.
English is now a global, defacto language of communication. After all, we also here mostly communicate in same. The forums buttons text, options menus itself are in English. Why not in Urdu in that case.
Regarding why English, English was never forced on us.
May be lots of jobs in IT and USA also has something to do with further embrace of the language.
Also. again do not make such stupid and uneducated comments.
Wasn't there a video circulating of Islamabad cafe owner making fun of his employee for not able to speak English. I can also assume then that whole of Pakistan thinks like that.
You seem to have no basic sense of knowledge of things. Keep posting trash.
I am against promoting foreign language against your own always have been.. Yes economic benefits have got everything to do with it and less the bridging requirements you mentioned earlier but for a country like India one of the most populated and biggest country in the world do they really have to use a foreign language so much? They wont need to once they come out of colonial mind set.
I would never shame my own country men for speaking their own language over English.. I actually love it that our country men Urdu is good and they have not deserted it for English.
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For the last time, English was spoken even after independence. It became one of our numerous Official language. It was not forced into our throats. Even my Grandfather, who worked in Lahore before Independence, his official work was carried in English even in 1970 and 1980s.
After liberalisation, with the hoards of call centers and BPO jobs and IT outsourcing, it became a necessity as well due to job market.
Apart from that, we have a ready made existing language existing as a bridge language between diverse cultures and languages.
So, English is not a foreign language for us. There is a dialect of English, called Indian English.. which is what we speak.
You can try as much as you want to call it colonial mindset and try to demean us for knowing multiple languages and embracing multiple cultures... But You yourself are conversing with me here in English.
You can think/say whatever you wish. Does not change ground realities and importance of Indian English as a language.
English people will laugh at you for calling their language as Indian English. Indian accent here comes across as so fresh as the baby speaking for the first time.
English language was forced on us by the occupation of British in the subcontinent which was a shame but now its rather forced on most countries due to the economic benefits and call centers in poorer countries. I dont have a problem in people speaking English for economic benefits like I do but I am also proud of my own language and will never be ashamed of speaking it anywhere.
Nothing wrong in embracing other cultures etc but there is everything wrong in not prioritizing your own language where possible. India should have made more effort to make Hindi more main stream in India and if they did it would have become more important in the world too due to India's population.
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Huh.. Wow!!. . First of all you went straight from saying you will not mock someone for not speaking English to Mocking Indians for their accents.
I have met lot of British people, travelled around 51 countries in the World,
Lived in Europe, India, USA and now Australia. Not once has a sane and normal british person mocked me for my accent, which is a typical Indian accent. In fact they have tried to learn few Indian English specific words.
Only people who mock other for their accent are Racists.
Second, I gave you a wikipedia link before, read that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_English
The first occurrence of the term Indian English dates from 1696,[20] though the term did not become common until the 19th century. In the colonial era the most common terms in use were Anglo-Indian English, or simply Anglo-Indian, both dating from 1860. Other less common terms in use were Indo-Anglian (dating from 1897) and Indo-English (1912).[21] An item of Anglo-Indian English was known as an Anglo-Indianism from 1851.[21]
In the modern era, a range of colloquial portmanteau words for Indian English have been used. The earliest of these is Indlish (recorded from 1962), and others include Indiglish (1974), Indenglish (1979), Indglish (1984), Indish (1984), Inglish (1985) and Indianlish (2007).[22]
So if Someone is communicating wit you in a different language you will still communicate with him in your native language, or come around to find some bridging language.
I am not mocking my parents speak in the same accent and many of my Indian friends. But I cant deny its comes across as fresh and unnatural for their tongue. I would communicate with any language I know in common with whoever is communicate with me but I will not belittle my own language or undermine it.
I think this topic can conclude here..
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That is what we use Indian English for. We don't belittle speaking our own language. Off course there are minority accross subcontinent, like those ladies in the Islamabad cafe.. but idiots exist everywhere.
As people have pointed out above, for many Indians( South Indians for example), Hindi/Urdu are as foreign as English. You have to remember before colonization, subcontinent was a group of hundreds of small countries who fought against each other and have vastly different languages and culture.
And Indians speak their language to each other when they have an opportunity. Thats why we have music and movie industries in lot of Desi languages.
English is not an Indian subcontinental language where all others you mentioned are why not chose one of them.
Dude, thats what I explained above. I am from Kerala and Hindi is as foreign to me as English.
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Same applies to PSL also - lots of these URDU interviews.
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I was thinking the same. The only time I intently watched post match interviews and ceremonies were in World Cup knockout games. Or the final of the PSL.
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PSL will not let you forget the trauma of watching Pakistan play on Hum Masala. Ridiculous Urdu interviews without subtitles or a live translation.
They clearly have an Urdu broadcast going on at the same time with Urdu commentators, why can’t they just keep the Urdu entirely separate on their International/English feed?
They clearly have an Urdu broadcast going on at the same time with Urdu commentators, why can’t they just keep the Urdu entirely separate on their International/English feed?
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There are no post game pressers so these post match ceremonies are the only way to get an insight into what happened in the game.
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Saeed Ajmal in an interview
"When I became world number one, some people asked me to learn English, and I told them I will do what I wanted"
"If you want to speak in my mother language, then go ahead. I wasn’t shy at all for speaking Urdu"
“I am world number one; the world will come to me; I have no reason to go and ask for interviews"
“English language, I hate that word.”
“If you know English, you are good; if you are not, then you are bad wah yaar.”
"When I became world number one, some people asked me to learn English, and I told them I will do what I wanted"
"If you want to speak in my mother language, then go ahead. I wasn’t shy at all for speaking Urdu"
“I am world number one; the world will come to me; I have no reason to go and ask for interviews"
“English language, I hate that word.”
“If you know English, you are good; if you are not, then you are bad wah yaar.”
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