Pakistan need a revolution similar to England post 2015 World Cup

[Salman4.]

England were humiliated in the 2015 WC. They made the right changes and created a team of fearless players and match-winners.
While Pakistan may not be blessed with as much talent as the other countries, the current lot is not the accurate representation of the talent.
A revolution is needed. Gotta get rid of Sarfraz, Imad etc.
Pakistan team post WC '19 should look like:

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Amin
5. Iftikhar
6. Rizwan/Rohail
7. Yamin
8. Shadab/Gohar/Usama/Ibtisam
9. Hasnain
10. Haris Rauf
11. Shaheen
(WK could bat early as well)
Solid openers, world class no 3 batsman, decent middle order. 3 pacers capable of bowling 145+ kph.
Reserve players pool should be:
Abid Ali, Shan Masood, Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel, Sameen Gul, Musa Khan, Nasim Shah, Saif Badar, Zeeshan Malik, Adil Amin, Amad Butt, Khushdil Shah, Kamran Ghulam, Arshad Iqbal, Umer Khan, Zeeshan Malik, Hussain Talat, Nabi Gul + some U19 talent etc.
I have excluded Haris Sohail on purpose. He is not fit enough to play a long innings. He can't field and is nor an impact player. He is good only for pretty 30-40s.

 

[mesmerizer85]

Sarfraz, Malik, Hafeez, Hasan, Shadab, Imam

After WC the above underperformers need to be booted and a new team need to be created based on domestic performances.. I repeat.. Domestic peformances....!!

Not the PSL which shows flashes of brilliance for players in short term.

We need to pick players who have shown the grit and performances to win in the longer format and for god sake get good attacking spinners like IND did after their CT debacle..

Get 3-4 batsmen whose average and strike rates are way above these pathetic Maliks and Hafeez who have been the main reason of PCT downfall including Sarfraz..

Im sure if nepotism continues we will not see PAK team win any matches in future...

Our Cricket is destroyed like Hockey..

 

[Hasan123]

England had modern day LO players. They just weren't selecting them. Obviously we need to make changes but don't expect them to take us to Indias level .

 

[Cric1234]

They'll be lucky to cross 200 with that team.

 

[ARK Rafay]

England had modern day LO players. They just weren't selecting them. Obviously we need to make changes but don't expect them to take us to Indias level .

Exactly. It is gonna take us like 2 decades to catch up if PCB starts working now

 

[sadida97]

we've got no players

 

[Bewal Express]

We don't have the players. The best players we have are here and they are average at best and in most cases terrible.

 

[dhump]

lol, England got a domestic setup, and they groom their players from an early age.

I don't think people who comment here mostly have any understanding of how bad situation is in Pakistan and that there is hardly any cricket left in the country with youth busy in everything else. You need professional sportsman to win anything, and they are not born they are groomed to greatness there will be to revolution, but the long, tedious process is needed to fix this all.

 

[BakuGM]

England were humiliated in the 2015 WC. They made the right changes and created a team of fearless players and match-winners.
While Pakistan may not be blessed with as much talent as the other countries, the current lot is not the accurate representation of the talent.
A revolution is needed. Gotta get rid of Sarfraz, Imad etc.
Pakistan team post WC '19 should look like:

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Amin
5. Iftikhar
6. Rizwan/Rohail
7. Yamin
8. Shadab/Gohar/Usama/Ibtisam
9. Hasnain
10. Haris Rauf
11. Shaheen
(WK could bat early as well)
Solid openers, world class no 3 batsman, decent middle order. 3 pacers capable of bowling 145+ kph.
Reserve players pool should be:
Abid Ali, Shan Masood, Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel, Sameen Gul, Musa Khan, Nasim Shah, Saif Badar, Zeeshan Malik, Adil Amin, Amad Butt, Khushdil Shah, Kamran Ghulam, Arshad Iqbal, Umer Khan, Zeeshan Malik, Hussain Talat, Nabi Gul + some U19 talent etc.
I have excluded Haris Sohail on purpose. He is not fit enough to play a long innings. He can't field and is nor an impact player. He is good only for pretty 30-40s.

Who is Ifthikhar and why Amin?

 

[Chokli]

Lol Pakistan Cricket is heading towards the Hockey demise.

Can't believe England let us win.

 

[AFM]

England all ready had those players.

All they did was actually select them and not just have the Test team also playing ODI's.

Our cricket will not be fixed overnight. It will take years for us to see the results of any changes we make now., But we do need to make those changes.

Our domestic cricket has to be fixed and nepotism has to be eradicated.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Have to wait till the final match before we start turning the screws and rebuilding

 

[Slog]

England had the players who were just not being selected

They didn’t have mentality

We just don’t have the players

 

[naqizaidi]

First develop your domestic structure and make batting paradise pitches and ask
1-Batsman to score at 100 or more than 100 strike rate and give importance to strike rate as these test players don't know what to do when run rate required is above 6
Secondly it will make their stoke play better. I see people talking about Saud Shakeel Abid Ali Rizwan etc but they will face the same problem unless you develop your skills you won't succeed in international matches.
2- It will help you in filtering the bowlers because in flat wickets you Required peace or skills really to deceive a batsman and spinners will learn the importance of dropping ball in one area with peace variations
Now the decision is upto PCB whether they accept to lose for 2 years by playing at England or any other venue except UAE or they want to win to keep their jobs and in long run damage pak cricket even more.

 

[Bewal Express]

We will drift along as we do,and always talk about the future that somehow never arrives.

 

[Seamer]

My team post world cup would be:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Rizwan
6. Hussain Talat
7. Yamin
8. Shadab Khan
9. Amir
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Hasnain

12. Abid Ali
13. Haris Rauf
14. Umar Khan
15. Khushdil Shah

 

[asfandyar]

Here's my proposal:

1 - The sole purpose of domestics should be to produce players for the national team. The domestic teams must be structured in a way to accommodate more of the types of players needed by the national team.

For example, we don't have a proper pace allrounder in the team or in FC. We may have some in grade 2, and some more in clubs. Prioritize their selection in FC teams. Same with explosive openers and lower-order-hitters.

2 - The definition of all rounder should be fixed at 35+ batting avg and 35- bowling average. Anyone else is either a bowler or a batsman but not both.

3 - Batsmen with average < 30 or SR < 80 should be discarded from FC after 1 season. Players with average < 35 and SR < 85 should be discarded from national team.

4 - Focus more on taking singles instead of playing dot balls in the pursuit of boundaries. For our limited domestic system, I devised a method to shortlist potential candidates http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ay-to-analyze-consistency-and-strike-rotation

5- Stats, instead of technical correctness and good looks/pace, should be used to as a primary metric to short list batsmen and bowlers. Technical correctness can then be used to further filter out potential candidates. Currently, we prioritize technical correctness (high specificity) over stats (high sensitivity) as a screening measure which is wrong.

6- Stop believing in miracles and adopt a systematic approach. No more 150k-delivery-worldcup-spot type of shortcuts.

7- Stop hiring mediocre batsmen (Grant) and mediocre bowlers (Azhar) as coaches. Either hire experts or don't hire at all.

8- If you do run talent hunts, focus on abilities that actually get you results. The general theme of the past talent hunts has been to find a bowler who can bowl 145+. This is wrong. Focus on micro-objectives such as bowlers who can bowl the most yorkers, batsmen who know how to find gaps for singles etc.

9- Stop selecting Test batsmen for ODIs. Stop using PSL as a selection test for World cup.

10- Use a combination of top teams' selections as a template. Sample team configuration:

Opening explosive batsman
Opening explosive batsman
Middle-order strike rotation batsman
Middle-order strike rotation batsman
Middle-order strike rotation batsman / WK
Middle-order explosive batsman
Spin All-rounder (refer to definition of all-rounder above)
Spin All-rounder (refer to definition of all-rounder above)
Pacer (open, death)
Pacer (middle)
Pacer (open, death)
Specialist Spinner
Pace All-rounder (refer to definition of all-rounder above)
Middle-order explosive batsman
Opening strike rotation batsman

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Saying random names doesn’t make a team good

 

[Cric1234]

Haris
Fakhar
Babar
Umar Akmal
Hafeez
Sarfraz
Khushdil
Raza Hasan
Amir
Haris Rauf
Shaheen

Hafeez should be phased out after a replacement is found over the next year.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

I think This worldcup will be a blessing in disguise for Pakistan if they can act properly. they should absolutely play fearless cricket and their selection policy will have to be aggressive as well as consistent.They have to play dynamic openers with a solid middle order. Also have to include specialist spinners in the squad.For the rest of the worldcup matches, I would actually try this lineup
1. Fakhar
2. Asif Ali
3. Babar
4. Harris
5. Sarfaraz
6. Hafiz( if he dosent want to bat @ 6, will drop him)
7. Imad
8. Shadaf
9. Wahab
10. Amir
11. Afridi
Just play bold & dont worry about collapses. Pakistan would also have to be ruthless in selection if they want to progress in the future

 

[Zhasan]

Who is going to institute this revolution, all the old babays???

And please don't say PM Khan, he himself is a old baba and his idea of fixing Pakistan cricket with made in UK solutions will fail spectacularly in Pakistan...

 

[babajee]

The issues go beyond the XI.

 

[Mamoon]

Unless we change our rotten mentality, we won’t improve. Can we change our rotten mentality? I highly doubt, so I think we are doomed for good.

 

[Savak]

Who is going to institute this revolution, all the old babays???

And please don't say PM Khan, he himself is a old baba and his idea of fixing Pakistan cricket with made in UK solutions will fail spectacularly in Pakistan...

We have tried made in Pakistan solutions for the last 70 years, what's the harm in trying a made in Australia solution now?

 

[AdamM97]

We will drift along as we do,and always talk about the future that somehow never arrives.

I hope this humiliation forces some serious changes but i’m skeptical.

 

[Zhasan]

We have tried made in Pakistan solutions for the last 70 years, what's the harm in trying a made in Australia solution now?

Made in Pakistan solutions worked fine until '00...why fix what aint broke...especially when every small dose of that foreign solution has backfired each and every time...

 

[Chokli]

Unless we change our rotten mentality, we won’t improve. Can we change our rotten mentality? I highly doubt, so I think we are doomed for good.

It's only downhill from here.

If you told someone in 1980 that Pakistan in 2020 would be the shape that it is in today they would have slapped you.

So much potential...............

 

[PakLFC]

There is going to be no revolution! We will continue to limp with this side delighted with the odd win here and there. Our players fitness is terrible and they need a psychologist to deal with their mental weakness. Others waiting for their chance will be no better.

 

[szundercover]

khush dil Shah needs to be in the team so does Hussain talat after this world cup.

 

[zarar]

England had the cricketers for the type of brand they play now.

Pakistan has jokers like Faheem Ashraf, Umar Akmal, Hussain Talat, Sohaib Maqsood and the list is never ending.

 

[Itachi]

England "imported' the players. Not sure PCB will agree to import.

 

[WengerOut]

Sack that fake guy masquerading as a Coach. He just play to the gallery.

 

[gazza619]

Agree on revolution. We need a Pakistani coach. Someone who from the 90s who knows who games are won.

Dont agree on half of the players you have picked though.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

I hope this dosent offend anyone but I feel Pakistan should absolutely separate its cricket from religious groups such as TJ & DI. If someone is personally related to these stuff, then that's his life but it should'nt become an influence in the team.I think these organizations have a very pessimistic world view & believes everything to be decided by fate. You cant have a successful team that prays for it's success and blames fate for it's failures.

 

[j_kazmi]

Yes but we need a different kind of revolution.

We need a grass roots revolution where we bring structure and stability to the entire Pakistan cricket setup from school cricket to administration to the international team.

 

[Markhor]

Yes but we need a different kind of revolution.

We need a grass roots revolution where we bring structure and stability to the entire Pakistan cricket setup from school cricket to administration to the international team.

Exactly this talk of "if only we play this combination" or start "playing fearless cricket" is not going to cut it. We need structural changes and that starts with full implementation of Wasim Khan's proposed domestic structure. I also want to hear how we're going to revitalise school cricket and how we're investing in grassroots coaching.

That's how we develop the talent, it didn't emerge out of the sky in England after 2015.

 

[jonny darko]

England were humiliated in the 2015 WC. They made the right changes and created a team of fearless players and match-winners.
While Pakistan may not be blessed with as much talent as the other countries, the current lot is not the accurate representation of the talent.
A revolution is needed. Gotta get rid of Sarfraz, Imad etc.
Pakistan team post WC '19 should look like:

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Amin
5. Iftikhar
6. Rizwan/Rohail
7. Yamin
8. Shadab/Gohar/Usama/Ibtisam
9. Hasnain
10. Haris Rauf
11. Shaheen
(WK could bat early as well)
Solid openers, world class no 3 batsman, decent middle order. 3 pacers capable of bowling 145+ kph.
Reserve players pool should be:
Abid Ali, Shan Masood, Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel, Sameen Gul, Musa Khan, Nasim Shah, Saif Badar, Zeeshan Malik, Adil Amin, Amad Butt, Khushdil Shah, Kamran Ghulam, Arshad Iqbal, Umer Khan, Zeeshan Malik, Hussain Talat, Nabi Gul + some U19 talent etc.
I have excluded Haris Sohail on purpose. He is not fit enough to play a long innings. He can't field and is nor an impact player. He is good only for pretty 30-40s.

hm, could work.

 

[ManFan]

England always had the players and system in place.

They simply had an outdated approach that was shaken by an embarrassing exit.

Once they realized what they needed, they simply replaced.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

From the Pakistan WC squad, the players which should be kicked out are:

- Sarfaraz Ahmed
- Hasan Ali
- Shoaib Malik
- Mohammed Hafeez
- Haris Sohail
- Asif Ali
- Wahab Riaz
- Imad Wasim
- Shadab Khan

(and I'm not sure on Amir yet)

So keep the others which are:

- Fakhar Zaman
- Imam Ul-Haq
- Babar Azam
- Shaheen Shah Afridi
- Mohammad Hasnain

 

[AdamM97]

I hope this dosent offend anyone but I feel Pakistan should absolutely separate its cricket from religious groups such as TJ & DI. If someone is personally related to these stuff, then that's his life but it should'nt become an influence in the team.I think these organizations have a very pessimistic world view & believes everything to be decided by fate. You cant have a successful team that prays for it's success and blames fate for it's failures.

Superstitions seem to be a very popular thing among players. Not long ago when Haris Sohail said that someone had cast a black eye on him.

 

[cririri]

Don't know what we need but please get rid of the "experience"

 

[Energy]

There's no revolution coming. For that you need an educated management and educated players.

 

[Mamoon]

Nothing is going to happen. Pakistan cricket is dead. We must make peace with our perpetual mediocrity.

Our mentality is rotten to the core. Players, ex-players, fans, analysts etc. everyone is to blame.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Lower your expectations. Pakistan is a mid table team and will remain so for at least another decade. The target should not be to win trophies but to be competitive against better teams.

Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi, Afghani fans know that their respective teams are not good enough to win World Cup. It’s time Pakistani fans stop overestimating theirs too.

 

[UP]

Wasim Khan’s the man now. All eyes are on him.

 

[RyanRyan10]

England were humiliated in the 2015 WC. They made the right changes and created a team of fearless players and match-winners.
While Pakistan may not be blessed with as much talent as the other countries, the current lot is not the accurate representation of the talent.
A revolution is needed. Gotta get rid of Sarfraz, Imad etc.
Pakistan team post WC '19 should look like:

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Amin
5. Iftikhar
6. Rizwan/Rohail
7. Yamin
8. Shadab/Gohar/Usama/Ibtisam
9. Hasnain
10. Haris Rauf
11. Shaheen
(WK could bat early as well)
Solid openers, world class no 3 batsman, decent middle order. 3 pacers capable of bowling 145+ kph.
Reserve players pool should be:
Abid Ali, Shan Masood, Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel, Sameen Gul, Musa Khan, Nasim Shah, Saif Badar, Zeeshan Malik, Adil Amin, Amad Butt, Khushdil Shah, Kamran Ghulam, Arshad Iqbal, Umer Khan, Zeeshan Malik, Hussain Talat, Nabi Gul + some U19 talent etc.
I have excluded Haris Sohail on purpose. He is not fit enough to play a long innings. He can't field and is nor an impact player. He is good only for pretty 30-40s.

This XI looks worse than the one played today lmao

 

[TeamPak95]

See, the frustrating thing here is how late the PCB is in realizing the level of changes that need to be made. Post-2015 WC, England and Pakistan needed major revamps. Up until now, England succeeded, Pakistan didn't. Now it's the 2019 WC and Pakistan are pretty much on the brink of elimination only to come back to that same circumstance that should have been addressed post 2015 WC: a major revamp. And back in 2015, again post the WC and taking away any hindsight here, was anyone really saying that England didn't have the talent in their pool to revive their white ball game? Right now, I believe Pakistan still do and it's up to them whether, post 2019 WC: they drop their dead weight/TTFs, select players that show potential in the white ball game (not TTFs), have patience and give them good tenures in the team, and develop them.

 

[MMHS]

Won’t work - ENG could implement that because they had the type of players in their domestic. Their previous approach towards ODI cricket was conservative, rather than forced (to play that brand of cricket). I can name several players even in 2000s murdering County bowlers on batting belters, but they were not picked from a traditional thinking. What this Aussie guy has done is he has adopted a new strategy and picked players for that formation. Most of the current Pom players are in their late, late 20s or into 30s - it’s not that suddenly these players learned to play aggressive cricket. Rather, they were always there - Bayliss just picked players for his formation.

I give one such example from Soccer - Italy had the soccer talent in both ends of the pitch - but they got eliminated from 4 consecutive WC (66-78) playing free flowing soccer... even lost a QF to N Korea in 1966. So, Sinior Enzo Bierzott took charge in 1978 and he changed his formation to boring 5-4-1 with a sweeper back to do dirty job & two wing backs to do wide mid fielders’ job.... and one lone striker (but quite a brilliant one) as target man. He won the WC of 1982 with that team beating an ATG Brazil 3-2 (twice from behind) inside 90 minutes when a draw for Brazil was enough. Did he invented that back line of Gentili, Baresi, Cabrini, Bergomi, Collovati, Scirea? Or that target man named Paolo Rossi? No - Italian league always had the tactically most astute, mean defenders, sweepers, half-backs (now we call them DM) - Sinior Bierzott just picked his right players, made GK Zoff captain and assembled his team into a deadly counter attacking machine with that cheat Rossi (came from jail for fixing) as solo striker and Tardeli, Conti running like crazy Mastang for 90 minutes in middle of the park.

Where is the player for PAK team for any such strategy? Today isn’t the right day to point out the dilution, but this bubble has to be busted - I see at least 10 threads with a laundry list, as if every blame is on selection. Guys, it won’t work - me being the biggest critic of Inzi couldn’t find much fault in his squad. May be I won’t have picked two rookie pacers, and would have picked Umar - won’t have mattered much though when Hasan is scoring almost a century with ball & Sarfraz is scoring 12 (30) while Mian Malik is challenging Afridi’s 0 (1) record ....

The problem is somewhere else - whenever team loses, if several laundry lists of who should/shouldn’t be there come out , means you still believing that the fault is at selection. No, the problem is at the factory - production line is faulty, random picks won’t bring better result. I personally believe most of these players are available best in PAK right now .... and they are just not good enough.

It needs a re-engineering- from scratch. And, it needs a change in mindset that it’s not working - changing players would make it just a musical chair, not cricket.

 

[Pete Rose]

Lower your expectations. Pakistan is a mid table team and will remain so for at least another decade. The target should not be to win trophies but to be competitive against better teams.

Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi, Afghani fans know that their respective teams are not good enough to win World Cup. It’s time Pakistani fans stop overestimating theirs too.

What a weird thing to say.
How do we improve as a team? lower your expectations.