Pakistan need to manage Hasan Ali's workload

[Savak]

With him being our superstar performer in both ODI's and T-20's and his natural enthusiasm to play every game and to do well in every match, the team management needs to monitor his workload, the series was won and i feel he should have been rested today, he should be rested for inconsequential T-20 games, he is already in the test team as well and therefore it is vital for us to manage his workload so that he doesn't have a career threatening injury so early in his career and so that he doesn't burn out so early in his career as well.

 

[Raja Sab]

I think the only reason he’s still being played is because of his form. If fast bowlers take breaks they tend to lose their form

 

[Asif khan]

True but over the last decade every promising bowler that comes through, we have a worrying habit of running them into the ground. We even start carrying more passengers and call it a team effort on the back of that bowlers heroics. I have a feeling history is going to repeat itself on this occasion too.

 

[wasimjunior]

Superb thread and been saying this for a while. He should be rested from last Odis and next few t20s.

 

[Hasan123]

Rest him for the t20s

 

[ExpressPacer]

It's sad how this wonderful and IMPORTANT thread has faded away and missed by so many posters. I think this is an extremely significant matter for the management to look into. Hasan Ali is only 23 and this is the time when fast bowlers are most vulnerable to injuries, as [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] would agree. Especially when you're bending your back, bowling in the 140's and bowling bouncers on these flat highways of UAE in very hot conditions.

He plays every ODI, every T20i and most Tests for Pakistan. He plays the PSL, the CPL, the BPL and now the PCB will also push him to play the National T20 cup. It is only a matter of time before he gets injured and Pakistan are deprived of a quality bowler. We've seen it happen so many times, Junaid Khan, Anwar Ali, Umar Gul - whenever they return post-injury, the bowler isn't the same.

Pakistan should NEVER have played him after the 3rd ODI considering we'd already won the series. I understand that they were looking to make use of his form for him to get some cheap wickets against a struggling Sri Lanka but this why the saying that goes, "Cricket isn't a game of stats and figures" is so important. These meaningless stats don't account to much for cricket is a TEAM sport and his contributions in more important matches will mean much more to his status.

Looking at how many fast bowling options we have, I think he should never again play so many matches on the trot. Mickey seriously needs to look into this otherwise we may have another Fizz, Pattinson, Cummins, De Lange in the making.

 

[Madplayer]

It's sad how this wonderful and IMPORTANT thread has faded away and missed by so many posters. I think this is an extremely significant matter for the management to look into. Hasan Ali is only 23 and this is the time when fast bowlers are most vulnerable to injuries, as [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] would agree. Especially when you're bending your back, bowling in the 140's and bowling bouncers on these flat highways of UAE in very hot conditions.

He plays every ODI, every T20i and most Tests for Pakistan. He plays the PSL, the CPL, the BPL and now the PCB will also push him to play the National T20 cup. It is only a matter of time before he gets injured and Pakistan are deprived of a quality bowler. We've seen it happen so many times, Junaid Khan, Anwar Ali, Umar Gul - whenever they return post-injury, the bowler isn't the same.

Pakistan should NEVER have played him after the 3rd ODI considering we'd already won the series. I understand that they were looking to make use of his form for him to get some cheap wickets against a struggling Sri Lanka but this why the saying that goes, "Cricket isn't a game of stats and figures" is so important. These meaningless stats don't account to much for cricket is a TEAM sport and his contributions in more important matches will mean much more to his status.

Looking at how many fast bowling options we have, I think he should never again play so many matches on the trot. Mickey seriously needs to look into this otherwise we may have another Fizz, Pattinson, Cummins, De Lange in the making.

I would not have played him in the 4th ODI. There was only 1 day gap between 3rd and 4th. That can take a toll on fast bowlers.

If anything i would have dropped him for 4th and played him in 5th because Pakistan dont have to play any ODIs in 2017 after the 5th one.

I agree with you that Pakistan have too many options to choose from. There is no point in risking your fast bowlers once you have won the series.

 

[austerlitz]

No they don't.He doesn't play tests,so he gets all the rest he needs anyway.If you bench a fast bowler too often they lose rhythm.

 

[Shafi]

Him, Amir, Babar, Fakhar should play ODI and T20 only.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I would not have played him in the 4th ODI. There was only 1 day gap between 3rd and 4th. That can take a toll on fast bowlers.

If anything i would have dropped him for 4th and played him in 5th because Pakistan dont have to play any ODIs in 2017 after the 5th one.

I agree with you that Pakistan have too many options to choose from. There is no point in risking your fast bowlers once you have won the series.

Exactly. And these options are all very good and need to be looked into as potential prospects similar to Hasan, therefore, all the more reason to rest him. Nonetheless, hopefully he'll get a good rest now.

 

[Ellipsism]

No they don't.He doesn't play tests,so he gets all the rest he needs anyway.If you bench a fast bowler too often they lose rhythm.

He plays tests brother.

Anyhow, don't get the point in him being in the T20 squad. As the likes of Aus and SA do, the T20 format should be used for the sole use of drafting in emerging talent.

 

[Lynx]

It amazes how inept our team management is when it comes to such issues. It made absolutely NO sense for them to play Hassan Ali in the 4th ODI. I mean, why would you even rest Rumman considering he only plays ODIs and T20s, while Hassan is your premier strike bowler who plays in ALL the formats? Such stupidity does my head in. I can only hope they rest him for the final ODI and at least 1 T20.

 

[Ellipsism]

It amazes how inept our team management is when it comes to such issues. It made absolutely NO sense for them to play Hassan Ali in the 4th ODI. I mean, why would you even rest Rumman considering he only plays ODIs and T20s, while Hassan is your premier strike bowler who plays in ALL the formats? Such stupidity does my head in. I can only hope they rest him for the final ODI and at least 1 T20.

Rumman was injured...

 

[ExpressPacer]

It amazes how inept our team management is when it comes to such issues. It made absolutely NO sense for them to play Hassan Ali in the 4th ODI. I mean, why would you even rest Rumman considering he only plays ODIs and T20s, while Hassan is your premier strike bowler who plays in ALL the formats? Such stupidity does my head in. I can only hope they rest him for the final ODI and at least 1 T20.

Good to see you back.

And I couldn't agree more, they probably just wanted him to get some cheap wickets against a struggling Sri Lankan side, but like I said in another post here:

Pakistan should NEVER have played him after the 3rd ODI considering we'd already won the series. I understand that they were looking to make use of his form for him to get some cheap wickets against a struggling Sri Lanka but this why the saying that goes, "Cricket isn't a game of stats and figures" is so important. These meaningless stats don't account to much for cricket is a TEAM sport and his contributions in more important matches will mean much more to his status.

- Cricket is a team sport!

 

[Savak]

You don't want him to be run to the ground like Waqar did from 1989-1997 where he played every single Test match, ODI series, County season and hence lost pace and became a medium pacer from the age of 25-26 onwards when he should have been in his prime. Must protect Hasan Ali from the same folly

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Instead the PCB is sending their best pacers including Amir to a T10 tournament. How can you do that knowing that pacers need rest in between.

The PCB will do zilch, but hopefully Mickey Arthur realizes this as he was there with the SA side when Steyn was being managed carefully.

 

[wasimjunior]

It's sad how this wonderful and IMPORTANT thread has faded away and missed by so many posters. I think this is an extremely significant matter for the management to look into. Hasan Ali is only 23 and this is the time when fast bowlers are most vulnerable to injuries, as [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] would agree. Especially when you're bending your back, bowling in the 140's and bowling bouncers on these flat highways of UAE in very hot conditions.

He plays every ODI, every T20i and most Tests for Pakistan. He plays the PSL, the CPL, the BPL and now the PCB will also push him to play the National T20 cup. It is only a matter of time before he gets injured and Pakistan are deprived of a quality bowler. We've seen it happen so many times, Junaid Khan, Anwar Ali, Umar Gul - whenever they return post-injury, the bowler isn't the same.

Pakistan should NEVER have played him after the 3rd ODI considering we'd already won the series. I understand that they were looking to make use of his form for him to get some cheap wickets against a struggling Sri Lanka but this why the saying that goes, "Cricket isn't a game of stats and figures" is so important. These meaningless stats don't account to much for cricket is a TEAM sport and his contributions in more important matches will mean much more to his status.

Looking at how many fast bowling options we have, I think he should never again play so many matches on the trot. Mickey seriously needs to look into this otherwise we may have another Fizz, Pattinson, Cummins, De Lange in the making.

POTW.

Asians genetically are not the strongest and I have been advocating for months that we have THE MOST attractive fast bowling roster in world cricket. ALL OF THEM need to be rotated consistently, and kept firing.

If Hasan or any of our other young gems get an injury Arthur and the team management have blood on their hands.

 

[ExpressPacer]

POTW.

Asians genetically are not the strongest and I have been advocating for months that we have THE MOST attractive fast bowling roster in world cricket. ALL OF THEM need to be rotated consistently, and kept firing.

If Hasan or any of our other young gems get an injury Arthur and the team management have blood on their hands.

Exactly. And anyway, rotation is key for all bowlers to improve in any case. Raees and Usman are more than decent back-up options and will become very good bowlers if they play more consistently.

 

[Lynx]

Good to see you back.

And I couldn't agree more, they probably just wanted him to get some cheap wickets against a struggling Sri Lankan side, but like I said in another post here:



- Cricket is a team sport!

Yeah man, I have my active and non active phases on PP. Usually more active in the midst of an important tour/series. But yes, I agree with what you said. Pakistan has a long history of sticking with the same 'winning combination' even in dead rubbers.

 

[Lynx]

Rumman was injured...

Oh? I wasn't aware he was. Seems like every player in this series has been injured at least once. Anyway, I really doubt they would have rested Hasan even if Rumman was available in the previous game, knowing the mentality of our team management.

 

[another drop catch]

Aamir and hassan ali should be selected only for LOIs
select different bowlers in longer format

 

[NauV]

Agreed that the workload needs to be managed. However, they need to be smart about it. I wouldn't rest him right now. He is bowling very well. He is in rhythm. Keep him going. Only because, once this series is over. He doesn't play intl cricket for 2 months. Yes, if he was playing another series right after, it would make sense for him to rest. But right now, PPakistan isn't playing much cricke tin the next 6 months. So he needs to play all the games.

 

[tandapanii]

Hasan has yet to play regular tests so its fine but yes, with regular test cricket and odi and t20, he would need to be rested and pakistan have the squad to allow that.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Aamir and hassan ali should be selected only for LOIs
select different bowlers in longer format

Wouldn't mind them getting selected for the NZ and UK test series. They can make an impact there while in the UAE pacers usually are support bowlers to Yasir Shah. The reason Wahab Riaz is very handy in the UAE.