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Pakistan, Nigeria and Egypt top the list of nations with doctors and nurses working in the United Kingdom (U.K.) despite a ban on recruiting from those countries.
According to the British National Health Service (NHS) Code of Practice, Nigeria is among 97 nations that “should not be actively recruited from” because they receive aid or suffer from shortages of medical practioners.

However, figures revealed that one in four new NHS medics are from countries ‘banned’ from working for the health services sector.

A breakdown of the figures published by the Daily Mail UK showed Pakistan with the highest number of medics with 3,413, followed by Nigeria and Egypt with 1,995 and 1,775 medics.

Others are Sri Lanka with 826 medics, Sudan 797, Bangladesh 444, Iraq 326, Myanmar 312, South Africa 290, Nepal 166 and Jordan 160.

The figures showed the number of doctors joining the NHS from these countries have doubled in the past two years.

General Medical Council figures revealed that 4,161 doctors registered to work in Britain last year despite coming from countries that should not be recruited from.

This is a 1,955 increase from the 2,206 medics that migrated from the same countries in 2016 just as over 12,000 registrations took place from nationals of these regions in the past five years.

Also, 27 per cent of all new doctors working in the NHS are said to have emanated from ‘banned’ countries, compared to 13 per cent in 2014.

Chief Executive of the King’s Fund, Richard Murray, expressed concerns that the NHS was too desperate to check if recruitment agencies were ‘ethical’ in their recruitment processes.

However, some of the individuals may have applied to work in the UK off their own backs rather than being actively recruited.

Concerns that ‘banned countries’ are being exploited emerged as NHS officials prepare to launch a global recruitment drive to fill vacancies.

He told The Telegraph UK: “The workforce shortages in the NHS mean it does need international recruitment but it needs to be done ethically. Increases in this scale from these countries are going to bring the UK into disrepute.

“I think organisations are so desperate to get professionals they just aren’t checking whether it is done ethically.”

According to the DailyMail UK, an ongoing recruitment crisis has struck all aspects of the NHS and reached unprecedented levels.

Experts, therefore, cautioned that frustrated medical practitioners are fleeing the health service in their droves due to funding issues, relentless pressure and even Brexit concerns.

https://guardian.ng/news/pakistan-n...urses-top-list-of-banned-practitioners-in-uk/
 
[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] our Doctors :afridi

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....and some people here are on about so many lady doctors practising in Pakistan:)):)):)) Not only doctor's but Pak people from many other professions find it difficult for their qualifications and practises to be recognised in the west.
 
....and some people here are on about so many lady doctors practising in Pakistan:)):)):)) Not only doctor's but Pak people from many other professions find it difficult for their qualifications and practises to be recognised in the west.

This is not true. Pakistani doctors (like other foreign doctors outside the EU) have to complete a course + IELTs in the UK; then they are free to practise.
 
Our doctors don't have enough ethics or human decency to compete with the doctors in the West. Their are places in Pakistan where 30 doctors work in a single place with each doctor working 6-7 hours per week. That's just drain of government resources and they know it.
 
We have one nurse for every four doctors when its supposed to be the other way around. Our doctors, instead of utilising midwives in hospitals, use them as their personal tea/coffee makers because they are too insecure to let them do their job.
 
I am shocked to see Pakistan and Nepal in that list. Afaik the basic structure and curriculum of these two countries remain very similar to India.Also the competition is high.

BD also had a very rigorous medical education system till about a decade back.
 
Our doctors don't have enough ethics or human decency to compete with the doctors in the West. Their are places in Pakistan where 30 doctors work in a single place with each doctor working 6-7 hours per week. That's just drain of government resources and they know it.

To compete with doctors of west. Big LOL. This article says that they are getting inducted in NHS fairly easily.

As if in Pakistan we have all other healthcare facilities and equipment to compete with west and it's just doctors who are not competent to compete with west and everything else (equipment and healthcare facilities) is at par with west.

Mind you, still these very doctors are getting inducted in NHS. You are comparing speeds of a driver driving Ferrari with speeds of a driver driving BiCycle. When simply it's a comparison between Ferrari and BiCycle and not between drivers.

If educated people behave like this, no wonder public is against doctors. And that's why high number of doctors are leaving Pakistan.

And How is a doctor responsible for mistakes of Policy Makers ? If you hire 24 guards to safeguard you 1 hour each for 24 hours daily, it's your fault that you hired surplus guards.
 
I am shocked to see Pakistan and Nepal in that list. Afaik the basic structure and curriculum of these two countries remain very similar to India.Also the competition is high.

BD also had a very rigorous medical education system till about a decade back.

Basically these countries have less number of doctors for their population. NHS feels that recruitment of doctors (from these countries) in NHS will further reduce the number of already insufficient number of doctors in these countries.

It has nothing to do with quality of medical education. It's about quantity.
 
To compete with doctors of west. Big LOL. This article says that they are getting inducted in NHS fairly easily.

As if in Pakistan we have all other healthcare facilities and equipment to compete with west and it's just doctors who are not competent to compete with west and everything else (equipment and healthcare facilities) is at par with west.

Mind you, still these very doctors are getting inducted in NHS. You are comparing speeds of a driver driving Ferrari with speeds of a driver driving BiCycle. When simply it's a comparison between Ferrari and BiCycle and not between drivers.

If educated people behave like this, no wonder public is against doctors. And that's why high number of doctors are leaving Pakistan.

And How is a doctor responsible for mistakes of Policy Makers ? If you hire 24 guards to safeguard you 1 hour each for 24 hours daily, it's your fault that you hired surplus guards.

1: Doctors from few elite schools are getting inducted in NHS.
2: Pakistan may not have the equipment to compete with the West but the equipment we have is not properly utilized. In tribal areas, the government have invested in expensive equipment but people still rely on old techniques.
3: Doctors cannot be compared with cars. The greatest asset of a doctor is his knowledge and experience. The information is available on literally every disease online and most people, especially doctors have access to it. And its not like Pakistani doctors don't have the experience of dealing with all kinds of disease.
4: High numbers of doctors are not leaving Pakistan because people have negative attitude towards doctors. They are leaving Pakistan because to them, patient welfare is secondary to personal enrichment and well-being.
5: Doctors don't apply for work in far-flung areas. They would rather work 6 hours a week in a government hospital and then run their private clinics where they make tons of money ripping off poor patients and collude with pharmaceutical industry and prescribe different versions of the same medicine in the very same prescription.
And look don't get me wrong. The world is not constituted in strict binaries. The government policies have a clear role in many of these messes. This, however, does not excuse the poor attitude of doctors towards their patients and professions.
 
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Our doctors don't have enough ethics or human decency to compete with the doctors in the West. Their are places in Pakistan where 30 doctors work in a single place with each doctor working 6-7 hours per week. That's just drain of government resources and they know it.

If that's true then it's due to the lax standards at govt level. If people can get away with making good money for 6-7hrs work, they are going to do it. Might as well invite the Chinese to take over the medical sector and see if they can make a better job of it.
 
This is not true. Pakistani doctors (like other foreign doctors outside the EU) have to complete a course + IELTs in the UK; then they are free to practise.

As this article says many doctor's educated in Pak are not recognised in the UK. They fail their tests and all that so why deny it when the evidence is this very thread.
 
As this article says many doctor's educated in Pak are not recognised in the UK. They fail their tests and all that so why deny it when the evidence is this very thread.

Every country has its licensing exams. No matter where you graduates, most countries ask Foreign Medical Graduates to pass licensing exam before getting registered in that country.

Any foreign medical graduate ( who isn't a post-graduate consultant) will have to pass PMDC exam to get registered for practicing in Pakistan. It's PLAB for UK. USMLE for USA.

MBBS from Pakistan is recognised by UK,USA but Pakistani doctors, like doctors from any other country, have to pass licensing exam of relevant country where they wish to get registered.

If you fail that test, YOU CAN NOT GET JOB. No exceptions.

Having passed licensing exam, some doctors will go for post graduation exam. That's where it gets tough and candidates fail. Success ratio of post graduation exams is 10% in Pakistan (FCPS) and 10% in UK ( MRCP/MRCS). Because it's a tough exam, so many doctors, be them Pakistani or British, will fail in MRCP.
 
Every country has its licensing exams. No matter where you graduates, most countries ask Foreign Medical Graduates to pass licensing exam before getting registered in that country.

Any foreign medical graduate ( who isn't a post-graduate consultant) will have to pass PMDC exam to get registered for practicing in Pakistan. It's PLAB for UK. USMLE for USA.

MBBS from Pakistan is recognised by UK,USA but Pakistani doctors, like doctors from any other country, have to pass licensing exam of relevant country where they wish to get registered.

If you fail that test, YOU CAN NOT GET JOB. No exceptions.

Having passed licensing exam, some doctors will go for post graduation exam. That's where it gets tough and candidates fail. Success ratio of post graduation exams is 10% in Pakistan (FCPS) and 10% in UK ( MRCP/MRCS). Because it's a tough exam, so many doctors, be them Pakistani or British, will fail in MRCP.

Many Pak doctors in the west have been exposed for poor practise let that be made clear. What the qualifications in Pak are to be a doctor are often mocked at here in the west, the results can be seen. Stop making Pak out to be a great country with excellent doctor's which it is not and never was. They fail that is all that matters!
 
The ones who fail the licensing exam are probably your everyday Amir Liaquats with fake degrees
 
According to the British National Health Service (NHS) Code of Practice, Nigeria is among 97 nations that “should not be actively recruited from” because they receive aid or suffer from shortages of medical practioners.

The english reading comprehension levels of many here is amazing.

1. The ban is on active recruitment as these countries have shortages of doctors and get healthcare aid from UK
2. It has nothing to do with the competency of doctors
 
I am shocked to see Pakistan and Nepal in that list. Afaik the basic structure and curriculum of these two countries remain very similar to India.Also the competition is high.

BD also had a very rigorous medical education system till about a decade back.

How many private colleges give medical seats in India ? Many of them can be bought for a good price. There is more money in India as a doctor, so you don't need to go abroad. In Pakistan you have to go abroad and they get exposed. I read awhile ago that in the West it takes 12 years since 12th standard to become a doctor ? I mean the requirement says itself.
 
How many private colleges give medical seats in India ? Many of them can be bought for a good price. There is more money in India as a doctor, so you don't need to go abroad. In Pakistan you have to go abroad and they get exposed. I read awhile ago that in the West it takes 12 years since 12th standard to become a doctor ? I mean the requirement says itself.

In the US after 12th grade its 4 years of Undergraduate, 4 years of Medical School, then 3 to 7 years for residency depending on the specialty.
 
According to the British National Health Service (NHS) Code of Practice, Nigeria is among 97 nations that “should not be actively recruited from” because they receive aid or suffer from shortages of medical practioners.

The english reading comprehension levels of many here is amazing.

1. The ban is on active recruitment as these countries have shortages of doctors and get healthcare aid from UK
2. It has nothing to do with the competency of doctors

Completely agree, i took the same view from the article. That doesn's mean that Pakistan doesn't have incompetent doctors, but this article is not talking about that.
 
A friend of mine worked with a Pakistani doctor.

He said it came out that all of his qualifications were bought and he was sacked straight away.
 
Not suprised, Pakistan is only known for its dentists and that's it, as a high educated profession
 
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