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Why are no fast bowling allrounders coming out of pakistan.....

is it fast bowlers are discouraged by local coaches to develop their batting or are batsmen discouraged to stop bowling fast ......

we seem to have a lot of spin bowling allrounders coming through ......

but not fast bowlers who can bat properly....

as we have a long tail, all being fast bowlers who cannot score a run let alone getting 10 runs ......

last 4 always have score of say.... 1,0,2,0......

this is really horrible for Pakistan cricket.....
 
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Ammad Butt is the answer.

Unfortunately, he was injured and couldn't take part in the PSL.

Whether he was genuinely injured or not, I have no idea.
 
Amad Butt is there. He had a promising start to his Fc career last season.

He is in the development stage at the moment. He is fast medium and was part of islamabad united squad in PSL.

Here is a short video of his bowling https://youtu.be/DniBR-vlOxo
 
Barragan said:
Ammad Butt is the answer.

Unfortunately, he was injured and couldn't take part in the PSL.

Whether he was genuinely injured or not, I have no idea.
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He was not injured and wasn't reported either that he was injured.

Only Rumman and Babar were injured.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
He was not injured and wasn't reported either that he was injured.

Only Rumman and Babar were injured.
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Apparently, that's why asif ali came into the squad.

Remember, that asif guy was a supplementary pick and could only be included if someone was injured.
 
Amir Yamin is decent enough to be an all-rounder . He played a t20i and some odi's and performed well. After that He was just left down to accomodate Anwar Ali.
 
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Apparently Hussain Talat is an allrounder as well who bowls pretty fast. He also opened the batting for SNGPL.

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Prince of Pakistan said:
Apparently Hussain Talat is an allrounder as well who bowls pretty fast. He also opened the batting for SNGPL.

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I am very disappointed by him getting overhyped. He is a right arm medium bowler who has lots of technical faults in his batting and his selection for PSL was a waste of space and money than anything.


The best players of Pakistan Under 19 batch were Hasan Raza jnr of Azad Kashmir and Saud Shakeel from Karachi.

Both have got standard classical stances aswell as technique and balance at crease.

Though Saud is rightly in the headlines and has played a Fc season, I am disappointed that Hasan Raza hasn't played any domestic cricket last season. I think being from AJK doesn't help either.


Hussain Tallat is as good and Allrounder as Sarmad Bhatti is. The truth though is that both of them are batsman who can roll their arms occasionally but than again Sarmad is a better batsman than Hussain Tallat.


Amad Butt has played two innings of substance in last domestic FC season. Interesting thing to note is that both innings were played under pressure and in one of those innings he was highest scorer of his team HBL. Another thing which separates him from seam allrounders or allrounders is his ability to bowl quick. Only he is fast medium and his pace is slightly higher than Hasan Ali.

I hope he is selected for Pakistan A tour of England.
 
Aamer Yamin is the answer, Hasan Ali can bat too but we can't say he is an all rounder.
 
What is the local coaches doing with new players...... i have been let to believe the local coaches discourage a bowler to develop his batting skills.....

WHY.... what are they trying to achieve be discouraging a bowler to bat??

and for this reason they end of complete rabbits with the bat.... like current pakistan fast bowlers

and the tail is so long its so painful to watch the last 4 batting as you know what will happen... 0,0,0,0.. scores for the supporters to feel pain
 
we never have, all our fast bowling all rounders have been manufactured- Imran, Akram, Razzaq, Mahmood were all mostly bowlers to start who learned to bat to varying levels

fast bowling and batting are 2 completely unique talents and a typical player will only be natural at 1

Anwar Ali, Amir, Wahab are all guys who have potential to be better contributors with the bat
 
Anwar should definitely work more on his batting coz right now it's his stronger suit.
 
Looks like the all rounder heritage stopped at Razzaq. Begs the question why Razzaq didn't prepare anyone. Why was he so badly treated in the end?
 
no work ethics man. I tell ya

Look at aussies, their bowlers put time in training their batting skills hence the results are in front of you. Where as pak bowlers don't even practice their bowling skills properly let alone their batting.

./thread
 
Fast bowling all rounders are not easy to get. It takes a really fit guy to think about that.

Pure fast bowling all rounders are like gold.
 
If I was Waqar Younis, I would order Wahab Riaz and Mohammad Amir to bat in the nets for two hours per day, every day. And Yasir Shah too.

All three are capable of Test batting averages over 20. But they have a lot of work to do.
 
Yanna_Rascala said:
His only suit is fielding. He can neither bat nor bowl. We need to try Yamin
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You can try anybody. The problem is whoever is tried has to be able to scale the huge gulf in standard between domestic and international and be able to do it within a few outings otherwise the public get impatient.

Just consider Azhar Mahmood. Strictly high 70's bowling speed and a very average but tight seamer. Were it not for a couple of good scores initially against South Africa I doubt he would have been given as many chances as he got. That's the thing. Our public and even Pcb get very impatient on the one hand or are immovable on the other hand. Yasir Arafat was breaking records in England yet was never really tried in the team until he was on the wane. Yet razzaq was persisted with when everybody could see he has become complacent.
Finding s seaming all rounder appears to be mission impossible.
 
Abid Z said:
You can try anybody. The problem is whoever is tried has to be able to scale the huge gulf in standard between domestic and international and be able to do it within a few outings otherwise the public get impatient.

Just consider Azhar Mahmood. Strictly high 70's bowling speed and a very average but tight seamer. Were it not for a couple of good scores initially against South Africa I doubt he would have been given as many chances as he got. That's the thing. Our public and even Pcb get very impatient on the one hand or are immovable on the other hand. Yasir Arafat was breaking records in England yet was never really tried in the team until he was on the wane. Yet razzaq was persisted with when everybody could see he has become complacent.
Finding s seaming all rounder appears to be mission impossible.
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Yasir was a total dud with the bat and only a domestic player. The chances he got in international cricket, he got smacked around and batted like a tailender. Now back to pseudo allrounder :anwara who has gotten a consistent run for a long time and has nothing to show for it. We need to try Yamin as he has performed in the few opportunities he had so far.
 
Yamin is good I think better than bhatti anwar and others he should be given some consistent chances.I m sure he'll better than anwar allrounder ali
 
If only Yamin could get the one third of chances Anwar Ai has got I am sure he will be a good no.7 batsman. His new ball skills are pretty decent as well. Afridi needs to go first, he really seems to "hate" Yamin.
 
Yanna_Rascala said:
Yasir was a total dud with the bat and only a domestic player. The chances he got in international cricket, he got smacked around and batted like a tailender. Now back to pseudo allrounder :anwara who has gotten a consistent run for a long time and has nothing to show for it. We need to try Yamin as he has performed in the few opportunities he had so far.
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Yasir got chances too late because we already had world class all rounders in razzaq and Azhar not to mention all the spinning all rounders. That doesn't mean he was bad, but by 2009 he was def past it and it was better to earn money in T20 leagues.

It's a given that a player has to be a domestic giant before making the step up to international. If amir yamin is the guy who debuted against England couple months ago then I would say he needs a lot of work.

Pak fans make such a big deal about guys coz you see them in locally televised matches. Hamad, was the same. It's only when they do get one or two international chances that we can all see that they have absolutely zero credentials to be anywhere near the team.

Anwar is fit and strong. He is terrible with the ball but if he can start learning how to hold up an end then he'd be useful.

If only people could search back to 2011-2012 and see how many threads there were on here asking for his inclusion. You have what you wanted. Whose to say it won't be same with Yamin.
 
If you want to play 3 pacers and a specialist spinner like Asghar or Gohar, at least one of those pacers should be a fast bowling all-rounder otherwise you end up with a tail starting from 8 as we do now with Anwar or Wahab batting there.

We've not replaced Abdul Razzaq's role as the lower-order hitter who can bowl a few useful overs. Even Azhar Mahmood fulfilled that role for us for a while. Amir Yamin is an option but his domestic List A record with bat and ball isn't very impressive though do think he was harshly treated by the selectors.
 
There have literally been no fast bowling all rounders in the world since Andrew Flintoff.
 
Shane Watson bowls medium fast bowler and same goes for Mitchell Marsh, Ben Stokes, Mathews, Perera etc
 
riz45 said:
There have literally been no fast bowling all rounders in the world since Andrew Flintoff.
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Ummm? Do you watch cricket?


Kulasekara, Andre Russell, Dwayne bravo, Jason Holder , James Faulkner, Mitchell marsh, Nathan counternile, Mitchell johnson, Liam Plunkett, Chris Jordan, Sam billings , Tim southee , panda, thisara perera and tons more
 
Lets give Yamin a consistent run, he's actually an AR unlike All-rounder Ali
 
not unless we get rid of fake all rounders like Anwar ali.
 
hur rizvi said:
Lets give Yamin a consistent run, he's actually an AR unlike All-rounder Ali
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Yamin's bowling will be taken apart by world class batsmen..... this is where Pakistan has no one who can bowl economically and also bat competently....
 
IM NOT YOU said:
Ummm? Do you watch cricket?


Kulasekara, Andre Russell, Dwayne bravo, Jason Holder , James Faulkner, Mitchell marsh, Nathan counternile, Mitchell johnson, Liam Plunkett, Chris Jordan, Sam billings , Tim southee , panda, thisara perera and tons more
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You have a pretty low benchmark for classifying players as all-rounders and the only players with decent batting ability in your list are medium-fast/medium bowlers. And lastly, do YOU even cricket, man? Since when is Sam Billings a fast bowler?
 
The only decent one right now is Aamer Yamin but as expected our idiotic selectors haven't a clue on who to invest in.
 
its not about fast bowling allrounders, but we need solid lower order power hitters who can bowl aswell. a lower order power hitter who bowls spin ll also do.

We have no lower order power hitter in our domestic. We have to find some in the country.
 
Fast bowling allrounder needs to be a good bowler first. The example of Anwar Ali is in front of us. He never improved his bowling. Bilawal did improve his batting. I would prefer Bilawal over Anwar

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Boycottisno2 said:
Yamin's bowling will be taken apart by world class batsmen..... this is where Pakistan has no one who can bowl economically and also bat competently....
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Yamin gets really good shape with new ball. In T20s he can bowl 3/4 bowlers straight with new ball

In ODIs he can bowl 6 with new ball and 3/4 in middle
 
only way Yamin gets in the team for me is he opens the bowling and completes his overs in one go 10 in odi's and 4 in t20's ....
 
Boycottisno2 said:
only way Yamin gets in the team for me is he opens the bowling and completes his overs in one go 10 in odi's and 4 in t20's ....
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To be honest, he looks a much better batsman than Anwar. He played proper shots when he hit that 50.
 
Amongst Aamer Yamin, Amad Butt, Fahim Ashraf & Hussain Tallat a good competition has begun in Fc Cricket.


In my view wrt Test Cricket Misbah will put his weight behind Hussain Tallat while selectors will back Fahim Ashraf.


I would go with Amad Butt given he is the fastest, fittest & tallest.


For Tests in Australia Hafeez (bowling test) or Faheem may come into the Test Squad.


Faheem & Hussain have performed decently this season, Yamin okayish while Amad's confidence & performance is low since getting dropped from Pakistan squad.



Whoever amongst these 5 we need an allrounder in the playing eleven for Tests in Australia. Nawaz isn't good enough yet.
 
Had not so many in the past as well. Pak dependent on pacers overall.som contribution from some sppiners.
 
In history of pakistani cricket we have only produced a handful of top class bowling All rounders, there are not even that many top class bowling all rounders in world cricket right now across the world currently.. its a dying breed. If we can find one going forward then that would be great but step up from a poor pakistani domestic set up to international cricket is a huge one currently for any budding aspiring all-rounders.
 
A good start of Fc Career for 20 years old Mohammad Imran.

[MENTION=139012]b.lesner[/MENTION] and GreenRoars will be happy.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Amad Butt is there. He had a promising start to his Fc career last season.

He is in the development stage at the moment. He is fast medium and was part of islamabad united squad in PSL.

Here is a short video of his bowling https://youtu.be/DniBR-vlOxo
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To me, there is a really important aspect of bad Pakistani cricket culture here.

There is a "laissez faire" attitude which seems to say "if he is good enough and deserves it, he will get into the team".

Wrong approach.

The difference between Pakistan compared with India or Sri Lanka is that generally the pace attack is good enough - even now - to be competitive in Tests outside Asia.

But for that to translate into wins, Pakistan needs to consistently have a Number 6 batsman who can bowl at the minimum the 133K fast-medium of Shane Watson, and preferably the 140K of Jacques Kallis.

Because you need 4 quick bowlers outside Asia.

I get that Hammad Azam, Amad Butt, Aamer Yamin et al aren't good enough.

But if they are the best that there is, they should be the key players on every Pakistan A tour, being given the chance to break through.

Abdul Razzaq only averaged 28.61 as a Test batsman and 36.94 as a Test bowler.
Azhar Mahmood averaged 30.00 as a Test batsman and 35.94 as a Test bowler.

These were not players in the Kallis or Stokes class. They were in the Corey Anderson class.

But Pakistan needs to take its Amad Butt and develop him for that role, not wait to see if he can develop on his own to that level.
 
Junaids said:
But Pakistan needs to take its Amad Butt and develop him for that role, not wait to see if he can develop on his own to that level.
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That's fine but Amad Butt was selected for the T20 squad, flown all the way to England, sat on the bench and was dropped from the squad.

Logic and rationality don't jive with PCB.
 
If you cannot find all rounder , is that end of the world ?

You need to make use of whatever resources in the best manner as possible.
 
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