Why is India not more popularly known for producing swing bowlers?

[jnaveen1980]

You need someone like umran who was fast to explode in the world stage. Need a great 145+ pacer who can average below 27 atleast. Once it happens, indian pacers will get due credit because most fast bowling nations have had atleast one or more genuine quicks who could bowl 145 plus consistently.

India's bowling attack is world class but they still don't have the express speedster. No 145 plus bowler.

SA have nortje
Aus used to have a express starc. Nowadays he can still crank it to 145 plus consistently.

Pakistan have naseem who is 145 plus.

Also Indian bowlers at the end of their careers never averaged below 25. Ever in odi or tests. Only recently has bumrah achieved that feat in all formats and shami in odis. Siraj too. All happened recently. I believe prasidh as well.

Their careers are not over yet. If they can average under 25 at the end of their careers then indian attacks will start getting the respect they deserve.

145k is low bar. Kamlesh Nagarkoti was clocking 146 kph even in under 19. So was Kartik Tyagi. 150k bare minimum someone has to hit to be labelled as express bowler. Problem with guys like Naseem Shah is he puts so much effort to release one 145k ball. He soon runs out of steam or picks up injury. Most effortless 145k bowler in the world i have seen is Alzaari Joseph. That guy looks like lobbing the ball. But ball comes at very high speed. Ferguson also has perfect build to release high speed deliveries. He touched 157 in the last IPL beating Umran's 156k. Pathirana is another guy who consistently touched 150k with that frame effortlessly. Soon he might pick up an injury too with that action. Thing with Bumrah's 145k is his release point. He releases much further than most of the fast bowlers. The distance between batsman and bowler is less with Bumrah. So his 145k will be quicker than say someone else's.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indian pace bowlers are a bit underrated at times. Having seen Bumrah many times he is a serious swing bowler who commands a place in any side. Shami is nothing special where as it is too early to judge Siraj just on one good performance. Has Ishant Sharma retired or what?. Indian bowling is mostly neglected by fans due to their great batting. By and large they have not produced that many great swing/pace bowlers in their history other then Kapil and now Bumrah. The likes of Srisanth, Nehra, Srinath, Zaheer, Rudra, Irfan and Munaf etc were average at best. It is only that having destroyed Sri Lanka in the Asia Cup final we are getting a bit carried away with their swing bowlers. Historically. India has produced far better spin bowlers then pace men.

Shami is the most impactful ODI bowler India has produced. Among 100 wicket club pacers only Starc has better strike rate than Shami in ODI history.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan also knows how to develop pacers and play with a pace-heavy balance.

Our pacers only develop when they are in and around the Indian team.

And the Indian team loves their Shardul's, Axar's, Sundar's, Jadeja's and Ashwin's - fraud allrounders basically a little too much to play the extra pacer.

India never play 3 genuine seamers in ODI cricket in any XI

They only picked 3 seamers in the squad for the World Cup in England last time.

Instead we kept a ridiculous number of wicket-keepers and not only picked one less bowler but also picked an extra specialist spinner .

Pakistan picked 5 genuine seamers - Shaheen, Aamir, Hasnain, Hasan and Wahab.

If you are only going to have only 3 seamers in a World Cup squad, there will be no incentive to develop pacers beyond Bumrah, Siraj and a Shami who is on his last legs . And since we don't play and develop the younger pacers , we can't compare and say whether the younger pacers are any better or not. So, we will keep going back to the tried and tested trio for every ICC tournament and it's a vicious cycle we can't get out of.



The likes of Prasidh , Kuldeep Sen will never get better playing the trash quality of domestic cricket.


If playing the extra pacer is even suggested, fans of this trash system of spin/medium paced fraud allrounders will suggest that seamers can't bat and that it's risky and it's better for depth of whatever nonsense.

This is not a comparison with Pakistan for quality of bowlers or whatever.

If the Indian team adopts a template and strategy to have 5 genuine seamers in a World Cup squad, 1 wrist spinner , 1 SLA allrounder and 1 seam allrounder, they will be forced to play that combination by trying out and developing a bigger pool of younger quicks in bilaterals and will have a better idea of who the best 5 really are come the World Cup.

All said and done INdia's 4+1 attack in SENA has rewarded us handsomely. It is just that India's crappy batting order failed to complement them. Last 5 or 6 ears Handsdown the best pace attack.

 

[PakLFC]

Shami is the most impactful ODI bowler India has produced. Among 100 wicket club pacers only Starc has better strike rate than Shami in ODI history.

Well if Shami is the best India has ever produced heaven help you!!

 

[Ab Fan]

Tests :-

Bumrah
Kapil
Shami
Srinath
Zak
Ishant
Pathan

ODIs :-

Bumrah
Kapil
Shami
Zak
Srinath
Agarkar
Pathan

Prabhakar was also a good swing bowler but I don't rate him much. Nehra was very skillful white ball bowler also. Sreesanth underachieved due to his poor attitude and rude behaviour.

 

[kron]

145k is low bar. Kamlesh Nagarkoti was clocking 146 kph even in under 19. So was Kartik Tyagi. 150k bare minimum someone has to hit to be labelled as express bowler. Problem with guys like Naseem Shah is he puts so much effort to release one 145k ball. He soon runs out of steam or picks up injury. Most effortless 145k bowler in the world i have seen is Alzaari Joseph. That guy looks like lobbing the ball. But ball comes at very high speed. Ferguson also has perfect build to release high speed deliveries. He touched 157 in the last IPL beating Umran's 156k. Pathirana is another guy who consistently touched 150k with that frame effortlessly. Soon he might pick up an injury too with that action. Thing with Bumrah's 145k is his release point. He releases much further than most of the fast bowlers. The distance between batsman and bowler is less with Bumrah. So his 145k will be quicker than say someone else's.

consistently 145 plus ? you sure. i dont think so.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Well if Shami is the best India has ever produced heaven help you!!

I said impactful. Why is he bad? Tell me. Which Pakistan bowler has better strike rate in ODis than him. Atleast with a 50 ODis experience.

 

[PakLFC]

I said impactful. Why is he bad? Tell me. Which Pakistan bowler has better strike rate in ODis than him. Atleast with a 50 ODis experience.

As Sidhu said "statistics are like miniskirts" and all that. What do you mean by "impactful"?.

 

[jnaveen1980]

consistently 145 plus ? you sure. i dont think so.

He touched 149.5 kph

 

[jnaveen1980]

As Sidhu said "statistics are like miniskirts" and all that. What do you mean by "impactful"?.

Whenever India needed a wicket he provided in one dayers. He was India's go to bowler for a period in the ODIs. Using Sidhu's quote i can put down anyone's stat if i don't use context.

 

[kron]

He touched 149.5 kph

No I mean consistently. India hasn't produced a bowler capable of 145 plus consistently in odi or tests.
Umesh used to do that but he stopped after a few years. Average speed of 145 plus is very fast.

Right now only Ferguson, nortje averages around there in tests and odi. Maybe alzarri

 

[Nikhil_cric]

All said and done INdia's 4+1 attack in SENA has rewarded us handsomely. It is just that India's crappy batting order failed to complement them. Last 5 or 6 ears Handsdown the best pace attack.

Yeah but that's in Tests. I want to see us play at least 3 genuine seamers in ODIs.

 

[PakLFC]

Whenever India needed a wicket he provided in one dayers. He was India's go to bowler for a period in the ODIs. Using Sidhu's quote i can put down anyone's stat if i don't use context.

That does not mean Shami is is a top bowler. I understand that Indian's are very easily impressed having never really produced a world class fast bowler in their history. Shami is an average bowler, nothing special at all.

 

[160KPH]

India has a ton of good bowlers but I don’t think any of them were prolific enough across formats for long enough to sort of define a nation in the way Wasim and Waqar did.

Also India has such good batting that I think it just overshadows the bowling.

 

[kron]

India has a ton of good bowlers but I don’t think any of them were prolific enough across formats for long enough to sort of define a nation in the way Wasim and Waqar did.

Also India has such good batting that I think it just overshadows the bowling.

I believe their bowling is much better than their batting when fit. Their batsmen are extremely overrated.

 

[kron]

India has a ton of good bowlers but I don’t think any of them were prolific enough across formats for long enough to sort of define a nation in the way Wasim and Waqar did.

Also India has such good batting that I think it just overshadows the bowling.

Not prolific enough for long enough that's correct. They need to retire at the end of the career with sub 26 average.

 

[TheSultan]

Tests :-

Bumrah
Kapil
Shami
Srinath
Zak
Ishant
Pathan

ODIs :-

Bumrah
Kapil
Shami
Zak
Srinath
Agarkar
Pathan

Prabhakar was also a good swing bowler but I don't rate him much. Nehra was very skillful white ball bowler also. Sreesanth underachieved due to his poor attitude and rude behaviour.

Oh dear - Prabhakar! If there was a speedgun at the time he would have probably clocked 69mph

 

[amax]

I believe their bowling is much better than their batting when fit. Their batsmen are extremely overrated.

indian bowling is better than their batting , first time in history , if this trend continues for next ten years , India will known as a bowling nation.Its simple, mindset of fans will also change.

 

[TheSultan]

On the topic, I remember years ago - maybe on Pakistan’s 2001 tour of England. One of the channels ch4 (who were also showing highlights) or Sky had a segment where they addressed how they classify bowlers - (the little label on the screen which shows “Fast” or “Fast Medium”.

Some viewers before that were conplaining why Waqar and Wasim were classified as “Fast” and someone like Andy Caddick was classified as “Fast Medium” when (at the time) Caddick on average was faster than both of them. Someone on the channel (can’t remember who) said that it’s about the attitude. Even if Waqar and Wasim are not as quick as they used to be, their approach is still of an attacking fast bowler where they’ll bowl bouncers, attack the stumps, Yorkers and look to take wickets. Whereas some of the other bowlers will primarily look to contain or bowl a consistent line and length and wait for the mistakes.

And that may well be it.

Most of India’s bowlers never look attacking despite their pace or the amount of swing they get. They will bowl consistently and well and eventually induce an edge that will take a wicket, but they don’t look like forcing it.

Obv that’s a bit of a generalisation and there are always exceptions, but unfortunately perceptions are created by generalisations.

I do think with India there is an over focus of the old adage “pace is not everything”, “need right line and length” etc. Nothing wrong with it, and it could be a successful strategy, but don’t expect your fan base to grow.

 

[kron]

On the topic, I remember years ago - maybe on Pakistan’s 2001 tour of England. One of the channels ch4 (who were also showing highlights) or Sky had a segment where they addressed how they classify bowlers - (the little label on the screen which shows “Fast” or “Fast Medium”.

Some viewers before that were conplaining why Waqar and Wasim were classified as “Fast” and someone like Andy Caddick was classified as “Fast Medium” when (at the time) Caddick on average was faster than both of them. Someone on the channel (can’t remember who) said that it’s about the attitude. Even if Waqar and Wasim are not as quick as they used to be, their approach is still of an attacking fast bowler where they’ll bowl bouncers, attack the stumps, Yorkers and look to take wickets. Whereas some of the other bowlers will primarily look to contain or bowl a consistent line and length and wait for the mistakes.

And that may well be it.

Most of India’s bowlers never look attacking despite their pace or the amount of swing they get. They will bowl consistently and well and eventually induce an edge that will take a wicket, but they don’t look like forcing it.

Obv that’s a bit of a generalisation and there are always exceptions, but unfortunately perceptions are created by generalisations.

I do think with India there is an over focus of the old adage “pace is not everything”, “need right line and length” etc. Nothing wrong with it, and it could be a successful strategy, but don’t expect your fan base to grow.

Perfectly surmised. This should end this debate.

Bumrah shami ishant were all great together. They were fiery in Australia. If they keep producing that sort od results by trying to bounce out or run through opposition then they will given the due credit they deserve.

I think what you mean is that until recently they always lacked the individuating factor.

Same with England. No one takes their bowling seriously despite having a pretty potent attack for swinging conditions.

 

[kron]

^ I meant intimidating factor******.

 

[owenhcricket]

I'm not saying that they are the greatest bowlers. But India has shown to consistently produce fast-bowlers with the skill of swing but it's not something that's highlighted. Regardless of how good they are, and some of them have been really good, but it's never really talked about

I think the first post included a comparison to Pak and Aus which is why I said India's bowlers can't really be mentioned in the same breath. Pakistan, Aus, SA and maybe even England and the WI will be mentioned long before India. Thats the answer.

 

[jnaveen1980]

That does not mean Shami is is a top bowler. I understand that Indian's are very easily impressed having never really produced a world class fast bowler in their history. Shami is an average bowler, nothing special at all.

you said "ordinary" which is untrue. He played a specific role well.

 

[topspin]

I do miss Praveen Kumar's medium bowling. Beautiful action and plenty of outswing with the new ball.

It's just a shame they don't produce bowlers like him anymore.

Not sure why he's not revered much among Indian fans.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Now it's not like that, India is producing talented fast bowlers such as Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh, and others. Their bowling lineup is also getting better that is what making them a proper balanced team.

 

[IAJ]

Now it's not like that, India is producing talented fast bowlers such as Bumrah, Siraj, Prasidh, and others. Their bowling lineup is also getting better that is what making them a proper balanced team.

Yeah in past when India posted 300+ other top teams always thought they were in with a chance because India didn't have a combined potent attack. But now they have covered that very well and once you know India have posted 300+ they will most probably win the match.

This has to do with the goal-oriented work for the last 10-15 years, they have put in place proper facilites with all the money they have and once you have a couple of top bowlers, all the young boys want to imitate them.

 

[owenhcricket]

Yeah in past when India posted 300+ other top teams always thought they were in with a chance because India didn't have a combined potent attack. But now they have covered that very well and once you know India have posted 300+ they will most probably win the match.

This has to do with the goal-oriented work for the last 10-15 years, they have put in place proper facilites with all the money they have and once you have a couple of top bowlers, all the young boys want to imitate them.

I don't think any side has ever been confident of chasing 300+ scores regularly regardless of bowling attack.

I have a sneaky feeling India would probably rank quite high in terms of teams unable to defend 300+ scores, I found stats confirming that but it comes from 2016 and couldn't find anything more modern.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't think any side has ever been confident of chasing 300+ scores regularly regardless of bowling attack.

I have a sneaky feeling India would probably rank quite high in terms of teams unable to defend 300+ scores, I found stats confirming that but it comes from 2016 and couldn't find anything more modern.

Stats is

Last 7 years since you mentioned 2016. South Africa has a clean slate in defending 300 plus For large. Srilanka/NZ/BD are not far behind England and India are middling. Australia not being able to make 300 often enough is surprising.


Against 10 playing nations (excluding associates)

Team	Matches	Won	Lost	Tie/NR	W/L Ratio
South Africa	16	16	0	0	-
Sri lanka	11	9	1	1	9
New Zealand	9	8	1	0	8
Bangladesh	8	7	1	0	7
England	27	23	4	0	5.750
India	31	25	5	1	5
Australia	19	15	4	0	3.750
Zimbabwe	3	2	1	0	2
Pakistan	14	9	5	0	1.800

West Indies	10	2	8	0	0.250
Ireland	3	0	3	0	0

 

[owenhcricket]

Stats is

Last 7 years since you mentioned 2016. South Africa has a clean slate in defending 300 plus For large. Srilanka/NZ/BD are not far behind England and India are middling. Australia not being able to make 300 often enough is surprising.


Against 10 playing nations (excluding associates)

Team	Matches	Won	Lost	Tie/NR	W/L Ratio
South Africa	16	16	0	0	-
Sri lanka	11	9	1	1	9
New Zealand	9	8	1	0	8
Bangladesh	8	7	1	0	7
England	27	23	4	0	5.750
India	31	25	5	1	5
Australia	19	15	4	0	3.750
Zimbabwe	3	2	1	0	2
Pakistan	14	9	5	0	1.800

West Indies	10	2	8	0	0.250
Ireland	3	0	3	0	0

Great find, did you use statsguru?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Great find, did you use statsguru?

yes.

 

[MenInG]

New talent?

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Hyderabad U-19 pacer Nishanth Saranu, who stands at six feet nine inches, attracted a lot of attention in Pakistan's opening net session ahead of the World Cup in Hyderabad on September 28.

Nishanth, who is in his second year of U-19 cricket, was among the host of net bowlers at Pakistan's team disposal after it turned up for training 12 hours after a high-profile arrival in the city.

Pakistan will face New Zealand in a World Cup warm-up fixture in Hyderabad on Friday.

World Cup 2023 | Tight security around Rajiv Gandhi Stadium in Hyderabad as Pakistan cricket team begins practice session
After Haris Rauf and Shaheen Afridi were done with their spells, Pakistan support staff including bowling coach Morne Morkel chose Nishanth from a clutch of net bowlers who were anxiously waiting for their turn. Bowling in the range of 140-150 kmph comes naturally to Pakistani bowlers including Rauf and Shaheen, therefore the young Hyderabad pacer was asked to ramp up his pace significantly.

In fact, that was the feedback they gave to all the pacers present in the nets.

Nishant bowled to tail-enders barring opener Fakhar Zaman who thought the kid could go places if he increased his pace to complement the bounce he generates, courtesy his tall frame.

"I currently can bowl up to 125-130 kmph. Morne (Morkel) sir asked me to increase my pace. He also inquired if I would be available to bowl at the nets of IPL franchise Lucknow Super Giants," said Nishanth, who idolises the Australian pace duo of Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins.

Morkel is also part of the support staff at LSG.

Nishanth is not new to bowling to international batters. Ahead of the India-New Zealand ODI, Nishanth was called for duty and later posted a picture with batter Glenn Phillips.

With Pakistan to stay in the city for almost two weeks, Nishanth will get multiple opportunities to bowl and he is hoping for a brighter future.

"My aim is to have a career in both white and red ball cricket. So, the immediate goal is to represent Hyderabad at the first-class level," he added.

TheHindu

 

[BouncerGuy]

India had Bhuvaneshwar Kumar who made his debut in the 2012 series and was swinging the ball like a snake. They also had Rp singh and Irfan pathan. The list is not that long to be honest.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

lack of marketing, like zaheer khan was never marketed as MVP in india , it was all about Sachin, Sehwag , Ganguly, even now, all the marketing hype is around Kohli, Rohit and even Jadeja , when likes of Bumrah, shami and Siraj are overshadowed by there commercial value but in reality are a bigger asset to team.

Why would a 32.4 averaging test bowler be marketed as a MVP ?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

i think lack of intent to be a fast bowler in younger generation i would say!

right @Major ?

 

[Major]

i think lack of intent to be a fast bowler in younger generation i would say!

right @Major ?

If you talking in terms of Pakistan, than i will like to give an elaborated reply on this based upon my 3 years of experience in club cricket

 

[Hitman]

India had Bhuvaneshwar Kumar who made his debut in the 2012 series and was swinging the ball like a snake. They also had Rp singh and Irfan pathan. The list is not that long to be honest.

Being able to swing the ball, and making a remarkable career with the ability to swing the ball are different things.

 

[Ab Fan]

Why would a 32.4 averaging test bowler be marketed as a MVP ?

Because he bowled on flat pitches and his real value was superior to those numbers.

He could lead a bowling attack, not sure a Mohammad Shami did it at any point of his career.

 

[pratiktc]

Well if Shami is the best India has ever produced heaven help you!!

Shami is a better Test bowler than Waqar Younis sans bottletops

Shami also has a better ODI world cup record than Younis.

Forget Shami, Umesh Yadav has a better Test record and more wkts than any Pakistani fast bowler who debuted after 1999.

Muhammed Abbas was the one guy that Pak produced who had good Test skills and the sense to not screw things up and even he was used poorly by system.

 

[MenInG]

New talent?

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Hyderabad U-19 pacer Nishanth Saranu, who stands at six feet nine inches, attracted a lot of attention in Pakistan's opening net session ahead of the World Cup in Hyderabad on September 28.

Nishanth, who is in his second year of U-19 cricket, was among the host of net bowlers at Pakistan's team disposal after it turned up for training 12 hours after a high-profile arrival in the city.

Pakistan will face New Zealand in a World Cup warm-up fixture in Hyderabad on Friday.

World Cup 2023 | Tight security around Rajiv Gandhi Stadium in Hyderabad as Pakistan cricket team begins practice session
After Haris Rauf and Shaheen Afridi were done with their spells, Pakistan support staff including bowling coach Morne Morkel chose Nishanth from a clutch of net bowlers who were anxiously waiting for their turn. Bowling in the range of 140-150 kmph comes naturally to Pakistani bowlers including Rauf and Shaheen, therefore the young Hyderabad pacer was asked to ramp up his pace significantly.

In fact, that was the feedback they gave to all the pacers present in the nets.

Nishant bowled to tail-enders barring opener Fakhar Zaman who thought the kid could go places if he increased his pace to complement the bounce he generates, courtesy his tall frame.

"I currently can bowl up to 125-130 kmph. Morne (Morkel) sir asked me to increase my pace. He also inquired if I would be available to bowl at the nets of IPL franchise Lucknow Super Giants," said Nishanth, who idolises the Australian pace duo of Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins.

Morkel is also part of the support staff at LSG.

Nishanth is not new to bowling to international batters. Ahead of the India-New Zealand ODI, Nishanth was called for duty and later posted a picture with batter Glenn Phillips.

With Pakistan to stay in the city for almost two weeks, Nishanth will get multiple opportunities to bowl and he is hoping for a brighter future.

"My aim is to have a career in both white and red ball cricket. So, the immediate goal is to represent Hyderabad at the first-class level," he added.

TheHindu

Could this be one of those "spotted in the nets" type legend story?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Could this be one of those "spotted in the nets" type legend story?

India very very rarely picks bowlers from nets. They still have to go through the ranks. Under-19 is your gateway. Then IPL. Domestic tournaments have taken a backseat

 

[PakLFC]

Shami is a better Test bowler than Waqar Younis sans bottletops

Shami also has a better ODI world cup record than Younis.

Forget Shami, Umesh Yadav has a better Test record and more wkts than any Pakistani fast bowler who debuted after 1999.

Muhammed Abbas was the one guy that Pak produced who had good Test skills and the sense to not screw things up and even he was used poorly by system.

Bottletops nothing! Waqar wouldn't even have the slow pace of Shami for dinner1. He us just another Indian trudger slower then a tortoise but for the odd delivery that may do a bit by his meagre standards. Waqr played proper test Cricket compared to this nobody. Your comment of Abbas being the only Pak bowler with good Test skills shows you know jack about the game!

 

[PakLFC]

you said "ordinary" which is untrue. He played a specific role well.

And what specific role is that?

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Bottletops nothing! Waqar wouldn't even have the slow pace of Shami for dinner1. He us just another Indian trudger slower then a tortoise but for the odd delivery that may do a bit by his meagre standards. Waqr played proper test Cricket compared to this nobody. Your comment of Abbas being the only Pak bowler with good Test skills shows you know jack about the game!

Shami has an average of 25 in odis playing during the most batting friendly era in odi history. And his wc records are better than any pakistani fast bowler other than akram

 

[PakLFC]

Shami has an average of 25 in odis playing during the most batting friendly era in odi history. And his wc records are better than any pakistani fast bowler other than akram

He is still an average bowler when it comes to pace and quality of batsmen whose wickets he takes.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A swing bowling masterpiece on a batting wicket today

Demolished Sri Lankans for just 54

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I think India has the best fast bowling unit in the world so far.

However, one question still arises that after Bumrah, Siraj, and Shami do they have enough firepower in their backup?

 

[Buffet]

I think India has the best fast bowling unit in the world so far.

However, one question still arises that after Bumrah, Siraj, and Shami do they have enough firepower in their backup?

No, they won't. They can replace batting but not bowling. They have top class pace and spin both. It's rare.

I think Bumrah has changed the equation after he debuted, but he is once a generation kind of pacer and I don't think Indians will have someone similar.

 

[Kianig89]

India has a rich history when it comes to swing bowlers Ashish Nehra delivered one of the most prolific swing bowling spell back in 2003 WC.

Over the years Indian bowlers have swung the ball regularly in Odis and Tests be it for a couple of deliveries and overs respectively

Some Indian swing masters
Ajit Agarkar
Zaheer Khan
Irfan Pathan
Javagal Srinath
Praveen Kumar
Ashish Nehra

 

[hafizexpress]

India has a rich history when it comes to swing bowlers Ashish Nehra delivered one of the most prolific swing bowling spell back in 2003 WC.

Over the years Indian bowlers have swung the ball regularly in Odis and Tests be it for a couple of deliveries and overs respectively

Some Indian swing masters
Ajit Agarkar
Zaheer Khan
Irfan Pathan
Javagal Srinath
Praveen Kumar
Ashish Nehra

I agree. That's why I'm surprised at how this isn't a popularly known thing. By now, India should be known for producing prolific swing bowlers. Even if they don't take the most wickets or knock teams down every game, it is clear that this country has some sort of special soil to birth wristy bowlers.

 

[hafizexpress]

A swing bowling masterpiece on a batting wicket today

Demolished Sri Lankans for just 54

And the fact that they did this twice in a span of 2 months.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Steve Harmison praises Bumrah, Shami, believes India is now a formidable team in all conditions. While speaking to local Indian media:

"They both have been brilliant. It shows their class. If you got great skill sets, you will survive, you will ask good questions and that is what Anderson and Bumrah have got. They are unbelievable bowlers."

"In Hyderabad, where Bumrah got Root and Duckett, that was one of most engrossing hours of test cricket you would see in a long long time and in this Test, Anderson and Bumrah have been incredible."

"The skills of Bumrah, Shami and even Siraj, I love watching them bowl. They have a great bowling attack, fantastic spin attack and seam bowlers who can be effective anywhere in the world. That is why there are one of the best team in the world."

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Well honestly now India has some of the best quality bowlers in the world right now that is what is making them the number 1 side in all formats.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Steve Harmison praises Bumrah, Shami, believes India is now a formidable team in all conditions. While speaking to local Indian media:

"They both have been brilliant. It shows their class. If you got great skill sets, you will survive, you will ask good questions and that is what Anderson and Bumrah have got. They are unbelievable bowlers."

"In Hyderabad, where Bumrah got Root and Duckett, that was one of most engrossing hours of test cricket you would see in a long long time and in this Test, Anderson and Bumrah have been incredible."

"The skills of Bumrah, Shami and even Siraj, I love watching them bowl. They have a great bowling attack, fantastic spin attack and seam bowlers who can be effective anywhere in the world. That is why there are one of the best team in the world."

He is right. They have all bases covered ( relative to other sides in this era).

 

[hafizexpress]

They're finally getting some recognition

 

[jnaveen1980]

Mohammad Shami did what Bumrah is doing for years. INdia has never lost a test when Mohammad Shami played in India. 21 tests that is. He is cut above Bumrah in Indian conditions. His loss is massive for India in these conditions.

 

[MP2011]

Mohammad Shami did what Bumrah is doing for years. INdia has never lost a test when Mohammad Shami played in India. 21 tests that is. He is cut above Bumrah in Indian conditions. His loss is massive for India in these conditions.

Any chance of him coming back in this series?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Any chance of him coming back in this series?

Since he underwent surgery i don't think he can come back. Probably 8 to 12 weeks rest.

 

[hafizexpress]

Mohammad Shami did what Bumrah is doing for years. INdia has never lost a test when Mohammad Shami played in India. 21 tests that is. He is cut above Bumrah in Indian conditions. His loss is massive for India in these conditions.

Hence the creation of this thread. I'm Pakistani, but I admit that Indian bowlers never got their flowers. You have produced from the talented and skillful of the world, but with no recognition