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So we are ranked 3 in terms of WIN % - that is great - hope we improve that rather than falling behind.
 
saeed5646 said:
Leaving behind world’s top teams including South Africa, India, New Zealand and

England, Pakistan now stands second in the list of most ODI winning teams with

447 wins.Only Australia is ahead of Pakistan with 547 ODI wins.
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Definition of the phrase "living in the past": to live while dwelling on past memories without participating in the present or planning for the future.
 
WI at 4... SAF at 6...

These rankings don't show anything about the present. Yes we were greats in the past, formerly ranked #1 in ODI cricket as well, those days are gone.

The rankings today are the ones that count.
 
Suleiman said:
WI at 4... SAF at 6...

These rankings don't show anything about the present. Yes we were greats in the past, formerly ranked #1 in ODI cricket as well, those days are gone.

The rankings today are the ones that count.
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You are 100% correct.

But these tyoe of records are more for viewing as a 'body of work' type thing. Things are down, they will be up again and knowing pakistan then down again. But how all that translates over a very long period of time is interesting to see for me atleast. Especially considering the barriers we have as a cricketing nation many self imposed since time immemorial.
 
Civil said:
You are 100% correct.

But these tyoe of records are more for viewing as a 'body of work' type thing. Things are down, they will be up again and knowing pakistan then down again. But how all that translates over a very long period of time is interesting to see for me atleast. Especially considering the barriers we have as a cricketing nation many self imposed since time immemorial.
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Doesn't apply to WI, I fear.
 
I started following cricket in 1996. Before that:

WI had a 64% win rate
Australia 55
England 53
Pakistan 51
India 46
SA 44
NZ 41
SL 29
 
We are a mediocre team. In the past five years, in ODIs, we are on par with Bangladesh.

Those wins are from the last century.
 
India play far more ODIs than us presently so they will overtake us again. The good thing however is that we are 3rd win percentage wise.
 
Guys check Post #1 for correct results.

Well done Pakistan
 
Napa said:
Definition of the phrase "living in the past": to live while dwelling on past memories without participating in the present or planning for the future.
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What ever made you happy bro !!!!As a Pakistani fan it is remarkable achievement considering how poor we

are from last 5 years.it is like breath of fresh air
 
Napa said:
Definition of the phrase "living in the past": to live while dwelling on past memories without participating in the present or planning for the future.
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It's just a stat. Why are you getting defensive? We are historically better than India and currently better in Test cricket. In ODIs we will only improve.
 
aliasad1998 said:
It's just a stat. Why are you getting defensive? We are historically better than India and currently better in Test cricket. In ODIs we will only improve.
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Pakistan has actually been poor in ODIs since 2001. You've had a few decent series, but have struggled generally.

Generally, in ODIs I would rank teams in the following manner overall, since the beginning in ODIs
1. Australia - Don't even need to qualify this
2. India - 2nd most Wc wins and finals (tied with WI), have 2 CTs and have done fairly well in WCs they didnt reach the finals. Won the 86 trophy in Aus, which was like a mini world cup. Also been a decent side in non ICC tourneys
3. WI - Equal to India in WC wins and Finals and CT. But have struggled otherwise in WCs. Thats why I rated them below India.
4. Pakistan - Won a WC and 1 runner-up and have done pretty well in the WCs they didnt win or reach the finals. Havent won a CT but have been a beast in other non-ICC matches.
5. Sri Lanka - Have done better than Pak in reaching WC finals with an extra runner up, but havent done that well in WCs they didnt reach the finals. Have a CT, but havent been Pak-like in non ICC tourneys. So rated below Pak. If they perform in WCs the way they have been doing, they will over take Pakistan.
6. South Africa - A champion team in non-ICC tourneys and also 1 CT. But nothing to write about in WCs.
7. England - Average team outside of ICC tourneys, but have made to 3 finals. Thus rated above NZ.
8. NZ
 
Sidilicious said:
Pakistan has actually been poor in ODIs since 2001. You've had a few decent series, but have struggled generally.

Generally, in ODIs I would rank teams in the following manner overall, since the beginning in ODIs
1. Australia - Don't even need to qualify this
2. India - 2nd most Wc wins and finals (tied with WI), have 2 CTs and have done fairly well in WCs they didnt reach the finals. Won the 86 trophy in Aus, which was like a mini world cup. Also been a decent side in non ICC tourneys
3. WI - Equal to India in WC wins and Finals and CT. But have struggled otherwise in WCs. Thats why I rated them below India.
4. Pakistan - Won a WC and 1 runner-up and have done pretty well in the WCs they didnt win or reach the finals. Havent won a CT but have been a beast in other non-ICC matches.
5. Sri Lanka - Have done better than Pak in reaching WC finals with an extra runner up, but havent done that well in WCs they didnt reach the finals. Have a CT, but havent been Pak-like in non ICC tourneys. So rated below Pak. If they perform in WCs the way they have been doing, they will over take Pakistan.
6. South Africa - A champion team in non-ICC tourneys and also 1 CT. But nothing to write about in WCs.
7. England - Average team outside of ICC tourneys, but have made to 3 finals. Thus rated above NZ.
8. NZ
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India has not been a decent side in non icc tournaments at all . Used to routinely get punished in tri nation and 4 nation tournaments .
India also has not won an Odi series in south africa yet whereas pakistan and australia are the only sides to have won everywhere in addition to a very good winloss .
Champions trophy has no great significance in the presense of the worldcup and will be scrapped in time.

Australia
Pakistan
Westindies
Southafrica . Only because they havent won a worldcup or important matches.also yet to win a series in india.
Than the other sides including India.
 
Pak have always been a very strong side in bilaterals.

Not surprising about their dominance in wins count.
 
ethan hunt said:
India has not been a decent side in non icc tournaments at all . Used to routinely get punished in tri nation and 4 nation tournaments .
India also has not won an Odi series in south africa yet whereas pakistan and australia are the only sides to have won everywhere in addition to a very good winloss .
Champions trophy has no great significance in the presense of the worldcup and will be scrapped in time.

Australia
Pakistan
Westindies
Southafrica . Only because they havent won a worldcup or important matches.also yet to win a series in india.
Than the other sides including India.
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This is hilarious. In the last 5 years, the Win-Loss-Tie record is:

India: 71-39-2
Pakistan: 51-57-2

India's win-loss ratio at 1.820 is more than TWICE as good as Pakistan's ratio of 0.894

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2011;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Such fantastical thinking guarantees the continuation of these trends, something Indians probably won't object to.
 
ethan hunt said:
India has not been a decent side in non icc tournaments at all . Used to routinely get punished in tri nation and 4 nation tournaments .
India also has not won an Odi series in south africa yet whereas pakistan and australia are the only sides to have won everywhere in addition to a very good winloss .
Champions trophy has no great significance in the presense of the worldcup and will be scrapped in time.

Australia
Pakistan
Westindies
Southafrica . Only because they havent won a worldcup or important matches.also yet to win a series in india.
Than the other sides including India.
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What is the count in Asia cup?

Also, a WC win counts much much more than a bilateral series win. So, just because India has won an extra WC, its ahead of Pak.
 
Sidilicious said:
What is the count in Asia cup?

Also, a WC win counts much much more than a bilateral series win. So, just because India has won an extra WC, its ahead of Pak.
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Over the last 5 years, India could not have a +32 differential and Pakistan a -6 differential if Pakistan did better than India in bilaterals.

Losing 3-0 in bilaterals to countries like Bangladesh explains the -6 differential and the current #9 ranking.
 
Napa said:
Over the last 5 years, India could not have a +32 differential and Pakistan a -6 differential if Pakistan did better than India in bilaterals.

Losing 3-0 in bilaterals to countries like Bangladesh explains the -6 differential and the current #9 ranking.
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did not india also lost 2=1 to bangladesh :afaq


But agree in odis pakistan has become as medicore as india of 1997 to on ward 2000s
 
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Most people are forgetting that over the last five years Pak XI have had to accommodate a declining Afridi, no openers and unstable #3. It was basically Misbah, 2 batsmen and bowlers.

That said, Insha'Allah, in next five years our current team will potentially improve W/L %.
 
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Napa said:
Over the last 5 years, India could not have a +32 differential and Pakistan a -6 differential if Pakistan did better than India in bilaterals.

Losing 3-0 in bilaterals to countries like Bangladesh explains the -6 differential and the current #9 ranking.
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I am talking about overall in ODIs historically, rather than a specific time period.

Paksitan were the better ODI side between late 80s to early 00s, and India have been the better one since then. Before the late 80s, it was fairly equal with India slightly ahead due to the WC win and the win in Australia.

Also, the fact is, in ODIs WC is the ultimate victory. A WC win counts much much more than any random series. So with India having won an extra WC, that counts a lot in India's favour. Then we also have a CT in 2013 and a tied one in 2002. Pak have non. Again, in india's favour. Then come the other tourneys such as asia cup, benson and hedges and bilaterals.

In other tourneys we are equal. Pakistan has been a beat in Sharjah, but India has won way more ODI Asia cups and multiple team series such as the Benson and Hedges World Series in 86.

Pakistan have outmatched us in bilaterals. But overall, its clear India has an upper hand due to WCs.

Sri Lanka though are climbing quick and fast, and if they have more good CT/WC performances they might overtake Pakistan.
 
Sidilicious said:
I am talking about overall in ODIs historically, rather than a specific time period.

Paksitan were the better ODI side between late 80s to early 00s, and India have been the better one since then. Before the late 80s, it was fairly equal with India slightly ahead due to the WC win and the win in Australia.

Also, the fact is, in ODIs WC is the ultimate victory. A WC win counts much much more than any random series. So with India having won an extra WC, that counts a lot in India's favour. Then we also have a CT in 2013 and a tied one in 2002. Pak have non. Again, in india's favour. Then come the other tourneys such as asia cup, benson and hedges and bilaterals.

In other tourneys we are equal. Pakistan has been a beat in Sharjah, but India has won way more ODI Asia cups and multiple team series such as the Benson and Hedges World Series in 86.

Pakistan have outmatched us in bilaterals. But overall, its clear India has an upper hand due to WCs.

Sri Lanka though are climbing quick and fast, and if they have more good CT/WC performances they might overtake Pakistan.
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My interest is the present, hence the focus on performance in the last 5 years.
 
Napa said:
This is hilarious. In the last 5 years, the Win-Loss-Tie record is:

India: 71-39-2
Pakistan: 51-57-2

India's win-loss ratio at 1.820 is more than TWICE as good as Pakistan's ratio of 0.894

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2011;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Such fantastical thinking guarantees the continuation of these trends, something Indians probably won't object to.
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Is this thread about the last 5 years or the last 2 years or even the last 4 and a half months ??
No , its not right ??
So what exactly is your point .??
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Most people are forgetting that over the last five years Pak XI have had to accommodate a declining Afridi, no openers and unstable #3. It was basically Misbah, 2 batsmen and bowlers.

That said, Insha'Allah, in next five years our current team will potentially improve W/L %.
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Afirdi has been mediocre, but Iwould not say he has been the main reason for your decline.

Its more to do with your bowlers. You were a good team till you had quality bowling. Since then you have had bowlers who have done well in a series or 2, but bar Akhtar, no one has caught the world on fire.

Akhtar - beast
Amir - been banned for 5 years
Asif - Would have been a great if he had not been involved in fixing
Gul - HAs been your best bowler, but was only so for a period of 2-3 years.
Junaid - does well for a couple of series and then vanishes
wahab - being wahab is now a term to bowl short
Shabbir Ahmed - does well for a couple of series and then vanishes
naved ul hassan - was always average
irfan the lambu - average bar a couple of series
ajmal - was great between 2010 and 2013
kaneria - good test bowler, but poor in odis
afirdi - he has been your best odi bowler
hafeez - handy bowler in sub con, but nothing extraordinary
razzaq - was a better than bowler towards the 2nd half of his career

shabbir, junaid, naves and irfan have been your story in the last 10 years.

Now lets compare this to what you had between late 80s to early 00s
Akram
Waqar
Imran
Aaqib Javed
Saqlain
Mushtaq Ahmed


Your batting has been of similar levels during this period.

anyways, I am just stating the obvious here
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Most people are forgetting that over the last five years Pak XI have had to accommodate a declining Afridi, no openers and unstable #3. It was basically Misbah, 2 batsmen and bowlers.

That said, Insha'Allah, in next five years our current team will potentially improve W/L %.
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1) Afridi has always been like that
2) Pakistan hasn't had good openers since Anwar retired (even he used to play alongside Afridi/ Wjahatullah Wasti at times), its not a 5 year problem
3) Same as openers, Pakistan has lacked a good number 3 for time immemorial

Things might change with Babar Azam, but these are not 5 year old problems. This is a basic problem with Pak cricket since a long time.
 
Sidilicious said:
What is the count in Asia cup?

Also, a WC win counts much much more than a bilateral series win. So, just because India has won an extra WC, its ahead of Pak.
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I am not equating the extra worldcup with a bilateral series .
I said india has never won one in addition to having the overall record that they have , which by any definition is mediocre .
 
Damn, did I just post a similar view to [MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION]? :yk
 
OP simply states that Pakistan is the team with the 2nd most ODI wins in history but all the discussion I see doesn't seem to be relevant to that. :14:
 
O M G.

Simple thread and stats.

We have 43 posts on this subject? Did it say somewhere that Pakistan were better than India?
 
Sidilicious said:
how is it mediocre, when you take out the minnows, India have won 2 more matches and lost only 8 more than Paksitan. Over 700 matches that is fairly equal.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...tion=8;orderby=won;template=results;type=team
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Whats a minnow ??
Are westindies , bangla and pakistan minnows now ??
Were zimbabwe minnows in the late 90s or were they better than india ??
These are overall stats.
People need to stop cherrypicking and applying bizzare conditions and time frames.
 
ethan hunt said:
Whats a minnow ??
Are westindies , bangla and pakistan minnows now ??
Were zimbabwe minnows in the late 90s or were they better than india ??
These are overall stats.
People need to stop cherrypicking and applying bizzare conditions and time frames.
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And IIRC in head-to-head stats we still pwn India
 
ethan hunt said:
Is this thread about the last 5 years or the last 2 years or even the last 4 and a half months ??
No , its not right ??
So what exactly is your point .??
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Even if you consider the last 40 or so years, your ranking of Pakistan as #2 is still absurd. You had:
Australia
Pakistan
Westindies
Southafrica
Than the other sides including India.

The number of months that a team has occupied the #1 spot going back to 1981 (before that there were not enough matches for rankings) are (source ICC via Wikipedia):

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To put Pakistan ahead of India (a winner of 2 WCs and ranked #1 for 21 months compared to 3 months) is absurd.

To put Pakistan ahead of the West Indies (a winner of 2 WCs and ranked #1 for 97 months) is beyond absurd.
 
ethan hunt said:
Whats a minnow ??
Are westindies , bangla and pakistan minnows now ??
Were zimbabwe minnows in the late 90s or were they better than india ??
These are overall stats.
People need to stop cherrypicking and applying bizzare conditions and time frames.
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I have only excluded Zimbabwe and Bangladesh from the test nations. Bangladesh were a minnow up until 2010 even at home. They had their wins against the stronger nations, but not until 2010 were they strong enough to consistently challenge opposition teams. In fact, its only around 2012 have they turned into a good side in home conditions.

Zimbabwe had a period of 11 years (1992-2003) where they were not a minnow. But other than that, yes I would consider them a minnow.

Both above teams have been a minnow for a majority of the ODI cricket time.

In any case, even if you look at the overall stats, 1 extra win and 16 fewer losses in nearly 900 games is not that big a deal. Its less than 2%. And you think that 2% extra 'normal' wins are bigger than an extra WC, 2 Champions trophy?
 
Sidilicious said:
So what would you rather have - 2 CTs & 1 extra WC vs your better head to head ratio ?
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Actually the 11-0 WC records trumps everything else. Worldwide, this is the greatest streak in a major sporting rivalry.
 
Napa said:
Actually the 11-0 WC records trumps everything else. Worldwide, this is the greatest streak in a major sporting rivalry.
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tbh, the 11-0 would have meant nothing if we hadn't won any of those WCs. I thin even that record, just like Pakistan's - India ODI head to head record needs to be looked in context.

For me the 2 WCs and 2 CTs offer a lot more than either the 11-0 or pakistan beating us in head to heads.
 
Napa said:
Even if you consider the last 40 or so years, your ranking of Pakistan as #2 is still absurd. You had:
Australia
Pakistan
Westindies
Southafrica
Than the other sides including India.

The number of months that a team has occupied the #1 spot going back to 1981 (before that there were not enough matches for rankings) are (source ICC via Wikipedia):

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To put Pakistan ahead of India (a winner of 2 WCs and ranked #1 for 21 months compared to 3 months) is absurd.

To put Pakistan ahead of the West Indies (a winner of 2 WCs and ranked #1 for 97 months) is beyond absurd.
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To put England ahead of India(a winner of 2 WCs and ranked #1 for 21 months compared to 3 months) is not absurd. England is far better team India can ever dream to be.
 
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] south africa is also way better than India going by your logic but it has won no ODI and T20 worldcup.
 
Sidilicious said:
tbh, the 11-0 would have meant nothing if we hadn't won any of those WCs. I thin even that record, just like Pakistan's - India ODI head to head record needs to be looked in context.

For me the 2 WCs and 2 CTs offer a lot more than either the 11-0 or pakistan beating us in head to heads.
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You are overlooking the "Lets shove them out of the Worldcup" element. Both sets of fans would love Nothing better than seeing their bitter rival kicked out. Even sweeter if it was direct result of loss to the arch rival.

The thing about 11-0 is the improbability of it. Especially when consider that in about 6 months it will be 25 yrs since it all began and Pakistan have had very good teams for about 15-18 yrs out of those 25 yrs.
 
desirous of desire said:
[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] south africa is also way better than India going by your logic but it has won no ODI and T20 worldcup.
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I mentioned 2 things, number of WC wins and months spent as #1. I did not say that one trumps the other, nor did I say SA better than India or vice versa.

In my opinion, both things should be considered when ranking countries.
 
Sidilicious said:
tbh, the 11-0 would have meant nothing if we hadn't won any of those WCs. I thin even that record, just like Pakistan's - India ODI head to head record needs to be looked in context.

For me the 2 WCs and 2 CTs offer a lot more than either the 11-0 or pakistan beating us in head to heads.
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That's your opinion and I respect it. For me it is otherwise, and the 11-0 streak stands out as the greatest streak in a major sporting rivalry. The greatest streak in sports (not necessarily a rivalry) is probably Jahangir Khan's streak of 555 victories!
 
desirous of desire said:
To put England ahead of India(a winner of 2 WCs and ranked #1 for 21 months compared to 3 months) is not absurd. England is far better team India can ever dream to be.
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I hadn't said anything about England, where did that come from???

Also, currently India is apparently doing better than it can dream as it is rated higher than England in all 3 formats of the game.
 
Napa said:
That's your opinion and I respect it. For me it is otherwise, and the 11-0 streak stands out as the greatest streak in a major sporting rivalry. The greatest streak in sports (not necessarily a rivalry) is probably Jahangir Khan's streak of 555 victories!
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Jahangir really does represents Pakistans golden era in sports.

11-0 will be over in any one bad over of coming world cups but the psychological effect it has had on Pakistan teams is worth a study.
 
Napa said:
I hadn't said anything about England, where did that come from???

Also, currently India is apparently doing better than it can dream as it is rated higher than England in all 3 formats of the game.
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No body said anything about India in OP, where did that come from???
 
Napa said:
I hadn't said anything about England, where did that come from???

Also, currently India is apparently doing better than it can dream as it is rated higher than England in all 3 formats of the game.
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Pakistan has also won there last two ODI currently.It has 100% winning record currently. Perhaps better than India currently.

TBH it is absurd when we start using time period to twist stats. Wont you ask me why i have taken such a low sample set currently for my current sample set. When People take for example 5 year window If I ask them to add 1 year in it would they mind?They wouldn't. But then certainly they will mind If I ask to add a few more years because then the stats would not represent what they wish for.We can Keep beating around the bush.
 
JattMaula said:
Pakistan and India ODI records:
Pakistan played 864, won 455
India played 899, won 454#Cricket

Sajbhai's tweet in OP.
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All it is saying that Pakistan has better win/ loss ration than India. Keep in mind that it entails all the history.And then people come here being hurt twisting stats to their personal liking.
 
desirous of desire said:
All it is saying that Pakistan has better win/ loss ration than India. Keep in mind that it entails all the history.And then people come here being hurt twisting stats to their personal liking.
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How can you twist the hard numbers.

Pakistan was undoubtedly better cricket team than India.
 
desirous of desire said:
All it is saying that Pakistan has better win/ loss ration than India. Keep in mind that it entails all the history.And then people come here being hurt twisting stats to their personal liking.
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Nobody is really hurt or bent out of shape ... just banter and some discussion around the topic. otherwise whats the point of a cricket forum ?
 
JattMaula said:
Pakistan cricket teams of past were better than India's.
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Can't agree. From 1951 to 2002 (when official rankings were introduced), India was ranked #1 in Tests 3 different times for a total of 24 months. Pakistan was ranked #1 in Tests only 1 time for a total of 2 months.

For ODIs, till 2002 both teams won one WC each, but India also won a CT. India was ranked #1 for 7 months compared to Pakistan's 3 months.

Also, the 11-0 win streak for India began about 25 years ago, which may be considered "past".
 
Napa said:
Can't agree. From 1951 to 2002 (when official rankings were introduced), India was ranked #1 in Tests 3 different times for a total of 24 months. Pakistan was ranked #1 in Tests only 1 time for a total of 2 months.

For ODIs, till 2002 both teams won one WC each, but India also won a CT. India was ranked #1 for 7 months compared to Pakistan's 3 months.

Also, the 11-0 win streak for India began about 25 years ago, which may be considered "past".
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I don't rate rankings. And Head to head record is substantially tilted towards Pakistan.

Why are you so reluctant to accept facts and move on? If a Pakistani fan wants to dwell on past, let him be. I think both of us agree about what both teams future is likely to bring.
 
desirous of desire said:
Is it true that Paksitan is historically better team than India???
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If you take the entire cricketing history since 1947 ... India has come out better due to the fact that we have won more World Event trophies and also have won in Aus.
 
JattMaula said:
I don't rate rankings. And Head to head record is substantially tilted towards Pakistan.

Why are you so reluctant to accept facts and move on? If a Pakistani fan wants to dwell on past, let him be. I think both of us agree about what both teams future is likely to bring.
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Rankings based on numbers are objective and are facts. However, if you have a different criteria based on other facts (for example head to head, though not in WCs), that is your choice and not something for me to dispute.

I agree about moving on, the future is bright for Indian cricket.
 
Pakistan has arguably been the second best cricketing team of all time, behind Australia. West Indies had a great past but are presently awful while South Africa have no past but are presently pretty good. Pakistan had/has both.

Talking about all formats here.
 
desirous of desire said:
Is it true that Paksitan is historically better team than India???
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Of course. We've been better in tests and ODIs and for the longest time, would treat India like minnows. However, recently the results have been much more balanced which makes for moreinteresting contests.
 
ethan hunt said:
India has not been a decent side in non icc tournaments at all . Used to routinely get punished in tri nation and 4 nation tournaments .
India also has not won an Odi series in south africa yet whereas pakistan and australia are the only sides to have won everywhere in addition to a very good winloss .
Champions trophy has no great significance in the presense of the worldcup and will be scrapped in time.

Australia
Pakistan
Westindies
Southafrica . Only because they havent won a worldcup or important matches.also yet to win a series in india.
Than the other sides including India.
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Dude we won a series in India last year. De Villiers and De Kock pummelled 3 centuries each in the series.
 
Pakistan has under achieved in ODI cricket because of groupings, nepotism, controversies. Pakistan's ODI cricket downfall started after 2003 world cup.
 
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