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Pakistan should simply be ashamed of their cricket approach

Pakistan’s strategy is obvious.

1) Survival mode through batting PP
2) Singles, Doubles upto 11th over.
3) 2-3 risk shots in the 12th over.
4) Survival mode and singles/doubles and 1–2 risk shots up to 17th over.
5) 2-3 risk shots in 17th over.

You get the idea. Mentally weak approach. Shameless approach. If you aren’t going to approach the game as a T20 then approach it as ODI, not Test fgs.
 
Cricket is just a microcosm of our society - just look at our economy and you’ll understand why we are struggling in eveything…

That doesnt mean select friends or players who like and keep players out just because u had feud a few years ago..

Personal likes dislikes friendship culture , showing what it can do to the team...
 
I remember when Ramiz Raja became chairman he said he want to change the approach of Pakistan cricket. He will make sure Pakistan play fearless cricket but Babar and Rizwan make sure they continue the old school style of batting keeping wicket in the hand and play safely inspite of opposition and venues.
 
I remember when Ramiz Raja became chairman he said he want to change the approach of Pakistan cricket. He will make sure Pakistan play fearless cricket but Babar and Rizwan make sure they continue the old school style of batting keeping wicket in the hand and play safely inspite of opposition and venues.

Ramiz has been a soft chairman. He has let Babar Azam walk all over him as captain.
 
It's a feeble and mediocre batting lineup, it's always on the card, why should they feel ashamed?
 
I remember when Ramiz Raja became chairman he said he want to change the approach of Pakistan cricket. He will make sure Pakistan play fearless cricket but Babar and Rizwan make sure they continue the old school style of batting keeping wicket in the hand and play safely inspite of opposition and venues.

Problem is that fearlessness is not in the DNA of Rizwan & Babar. Babar inspite of his fame, comes across as an underconfident personality - a leopard cant change his spots. Rameez’s is a typical management statement - all ** without any substance!
 
We've become more of an entertainment as the cameras are everywhere around our team documenting what they're doing in the hotel, lobby, nets, etc. Getting mic'd up moments, capturing staged convos between coaches and players -- why has this become such a priority. Focus on the cricket, practice, health routine etc., no need to publicize every tour and look like you're celebrities from Hollywood.

Team needs MAJOR changes before next year's world cup.
 
This is funny.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a win for Zimbabwe! Congratulations to the Chevrons. <br><br>Next time, send the real Mr Bean…<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsZim?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsZim</a> 🇿🇼</p>— President of Zimbabwe (@edmnangagwa) <a href="https://twitter.com/edmnangagwa/status/1585670601234153479?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
One thing is confirmed now Pakistan and Zimbabwe are fierce rivals from now on thank-you Saqlain
 
Problem is that fearlessness is not in the DNA of Rizwan & Babar. Babar inspite of his fame, comes across as an underconfident personality - a leopard cant change his spots. Rameez’s is a typical management statement - all ** without any substance!

It comes down to philosophy of the captain and coach.
 
This is funny.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a win for Zimbabwe! Congratulations to the Chevrons. <br><br>Next time, send the real Mr Bean…<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsZim?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsZim</a> &#55356;&#56831;&#55356;&#56828;</p>— President of Zimbabwe (@edmnangagwa) <a href="https://twitter.com/edmnangagwa/status/1585670601234153479?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What does he mean?
 
Zimbabwe outfielded Pakistan thier ground fielding was outstanding.

I only caught the highlights, but Zim looked ordinary on several occasions to me. Even the last ball, the keeper messed it but managed to recover. Pakistan seemed to have turned the corner with fielding, or at least I thought so, during the the Asia Cup where they were far better than India during their matches.
 
I only caught the highlights, but Zim looked ordinary on several occasions to me. Even the last ball, the keeper messed it but managed to recover. Pakistan seemed to have turned the corner with fielding, or at least I thought so, during the the Asia Cup where they were far better than India during their matches.


No Zimbabwe was not ordinary. Their pace bowling was breathing fire. Only when they experimented they went for runs. When they maintained heavy length they were untouchable. Ball kept whizzing past the batsmen.
 
&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;. Indians are never gonna forgive Babar for that, eh!

I don't think many Indians thought Babar was talking down to Kohli through whoever typed that out for him. But it irritated, more because it was a reminder that the King had dropped so much that peers and relatively 'junior' players were pitying him. Pity however well-meaning can be annoying from the pov of the recipient, especially if they have massive egos. And Indians were merely looking at it from Virat's pov.
 
I don't think many Indians thought Babar was talking down to Kohli through whoever typed that out for him. But it irritated, more because it was a reminder that the King had dropped so much that peers and relatively 'junior' players were pitying him. Pity however well-meaning can be annoying from the pov of the recipient, especially if they have massive egos. And Indians were merely looking at it from Virat's pov.

I do get it, it was unintentionally condescending statement from Babar.
 
Couldn't defend 48 off 18 balls against India and couldn't score 43 off 36 balls against mighty Zimbabwe..
Tall claims of having best bowlers and best batsman with zero performance supporting the claim..
Now, Lets see how Rameez Raja blames BCCI for these shameful defeats.
 
You have got to look at the skipper and the coach regarding the tactics and the approach.

They are the ones picking the team, sorting out the batting order and the tactics.

They have to take responsibility for such embarrassing losses.
 
I remember when Ramiz Raja became chairman he said he want to change the approach of Pakistan cricket. He will make sure Pakistan play fearless cricket but Babar and Rizwan make sure they continue the old school style of batting keeping wicket in the hand and play safely inspite of opposition and venues.

We've become more of an entertainment as the cameras are everywhere around our team documenting what they're doing in the hotel, lobby, nets, etc. Getting mic'd up moments, capturing staged convos between coaches and players -- why has this become such a priority. Focus on the cricket, practice, health routine etc., no need to publicize every tour and look like you're celebrities from Hollywood.

Team needs MAJOR changes before next year's world cup.

Glad this has been mentioned. They keep barking about aggressive and fearless cricket yet we see the exact opposite on the field.

Our social media channels produce nonstop drivel and cringe. Keep quiet and just focus on your damn cricket instead of these PR stunts.
 
Glad this has been mentioned. They keep barking about aggressive and fearless cricket yet we see the exact opposite on the field.

Our social media channels produce nonstop drivel and cringe. Keep quiet and just focus on your damn cricket instead of these PR stunts.

Its easier to talk about aggressive cricket but harder to actually execute in practice
 
Thats just a knee jerk reaction. Pakistan's opening is questionable at times, and middle order sure is shameful but doesn't mean Pakistan has been a bad team. They have been a pretty good T20 team. Game against India was a really good fight and this Zimbabwe one turned out to be a shameful one but that happens. Doesn't mean we go up in arms against the team.

Just need a consistent middle order which fires more than falls flat and we will have a formidable side.

Trust me we are pretty bad.

We will be hammered by SAF unless we are chasing a below par total on a flat wicket or if SAF have to chase on a slow / low wicket.

Before that - no guarantee we will beat Netherlands anyway..
 
Think it was [MENTION=154144]TheSultan[/MENTION] who said we just don't kill teams off when we have the chance or ruthless and there was a thread that even if we play minnows we always bring ourselves down to their level making it close games.

Both absolutely spot on.

Thank you! They really are just a bunch of timid cats. Even if you look at the last over Pakistan bowling today. How have a couple of tailenders pinched 10 runs off the last over?

Babar and Riz chasing a low target. Instead of playing your shots, they go in to their shell thinking we have plenty of time. You only need to beat the infield like the Zimbabwe openers did. Babar’s shots were so hesitant and Riz when he wasn’t doing a funny dance, was tickling the ball.

If you were a neutral and had no knowledge of cricket and compare both teams openers. Zimbabwe’s look miles better than our two “supermen” who are beyond any criticism.
 
An Indian friend of mine asked me whether I´m surprised by Pakistan´s loss. I would be lying if I were to say no, but it wouldn´t be the truth either if I were to say that the defeat has taken me by surprise. Given the unpredictable nature of this team, ever since gaining a good understanding of the game - let´s say, after that incident against Ireland in the Caribbean back in 2007 - I´ve always been most unsure of this team´s chances against the minnows, the weaker teams, in big tournaments. We´ve seen enough of it anyway the recent years that, even if Pakistan do end up winning against these weaker teams, they´ve been some very, very, close matches. So, my habit has been the recent years that, ahead of Pakistan´s matches against the less stronger opponents, I issue a warning to my family and close friends that they should watch the match very closely because "Anything can happen."

Due to health issues, I´ve a very strict schedule in terms of sleep and bed hours, but I woke up either at 3 or 4 AM for Pakistan´s match against Ireland back in 2015 during the ODI World Cup because "Anything can happen." - and this so despite the fact that, during that World Cup, I woke up early to watch big matches between other teams on very less occasions - although that "anything" was successfully avoided seven years ago, it came to pass yesterday, and it may not be the only occasion either, I´m afraid.
 
I'm not surprised by Pakistan's performances so far at the T20 World Cup.

The approach has for a while been cautious, the tactics defensive and they have in recent times relied on a few players who at this tournament have either been unfit or not performed.

Now that the main players haven't performed yet or not been fully fit, the team has struggled.
 
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Pakistan have become a laughing stock for the world and timid approach coupled with defensive tactics of Babar has instilled a defeatish/choking mentality in this team. SHOAIB Akhtar rightly said "Pakistan have a bad captain"

No harm playing with defensive approach but you gotta execute it properly its like we are playing 5-4-1 formation and still losing 4-0 :jm
 
The Asia Cup and England T20I were more than enough evidence to why this Pakistan team won't be successful. This team needs some resuscitation.

They need a new approach.
 
I'm not surprised by Pakistan's performances so far at the T20 World Cup.

The approach has for a while been cautious, the tactics defensive and they have in recent times relied on a few players who at this tournament have either been unfit or not performed.

Now that the main players haven't performed yet or not been fully fit, the team has struggled.

Someone needs to be held accountable in the PCB and team management. Its like everyone was sleeping on a snoozefest, no one was alert to the fact that while we were playing the Asia Cup, ODI's against England that there was a world cup to play in Australia where the conditions would be totally different where the same tactics the Pakistani team management was adopting in the last 2 years were not going to work there.

The captain and coaches will definitely get the axe after this WC is over.
 
Players more concerned with preserving averages. They should be chasing this inside 9 overs. Appalling mentality they haven't learned
 
Players more concerned with preserving averages. They should be chasing this inside 9 overs. Appalling mentality they haven't learned

No they are not. They took risk and the intent was there. They played good strokes but fielders in the circle were able to stop them.

Babar players good shots from the book on the ground not airborne. They went to the fielder couldnt go in the gaps.

Intent was there and it was good enough. Rest is your luck.
 
Strange approach chasing the mighty Netherlands total.

Should have looked to wrap it up in 10 overs.
 
This is shameless cricket. Pakistanis need to chase this quick. Not wait till the 12th over.
 
absolutely shocking, unfortunately with a W in the bag no one question this joke of a performance. should have wrapped this up by the 11th.
 
I think SA winning is best for all concerned. No way this team, one of the worst batting lineups in living memory, would so anything in SF anyway
 
Kudos to our bowlers for restricting them to 92, otherwise this could've been another upset!
 
absolutely shocking, unfortunately with a W in the bag no one question this joke of a performance. should have wrapped this up by the 11th.

Yes, they know they would mess it up even against a minnow inside 10 overs. Better to play it safe.
This team is mentally very fragile. School Boys!
 
Man i am glad they just won, yeh could had batted faster but instead of the usualy complaining just support this team for once.

Even if they did chased it in 9 overs people would had bashed then that it was netherlands.

Anyways, glad we won today, the intent to attack was there.

No point critisizing your own, fans were celebrating rizwan miss his 50 and getting out which is just pathetic.

The tean is gonna pkay like this no matter what, you guys are the one that tune in to watch
 
Who will ask this pathetic caption and management about this shameless performance? They deserve someone like Hitler.
 
Man i am glad they just won, yeh could had batted faster but instead of the usualy complaining just support this team for once.

Even if they did chased it in 9 overs people would had bashed then that it was netherlands.

Anyways, glad we won today, the intent to attack was there.

No point critisizing your own, fans were celebrating rizwan miss his 50 and getting out which is just pathetic.

The tean is gonna pkay like this no matter what, you guys are the one that tune in to watch

Our first T20 win in Australia. This is some achievement. Glad it came against the mighty Netherlands.
 
Rizwan nudging it around for his 50

Will he be held accountable?
 
Man i am glad they just won, yeh could had batted faster but instead of the usualy complaining just support this team for once.

Even if they did chased it in 9 overs people would had bashed then that it was netherlands.

Anyways, glad we won today, the intent to attack was there.

No point critisizing your own, fans were celebrating rizwan miss his 50 and getting out which is just pathetic.

The tean is gonna pkay like this no matter what, you guys are the one that tune in to watch

That was pretty aggressive batting for Misbah standards wasn’t it?
 
Our bowlers deserve to play a World Cup semi final at least

Our batsmen do not deserve to play the qualifying rounds
 
There is no accountability in our country against anyone except poor people or low grade government employees.

No one will ask Ramiz, Saqlain, Babar and Laptop about this Horror.
 
Was there something wrong with the pitch today? Why did every batsman struggle out in the middle?

If India beat SA today it's still pointless. Pakistan aren't having any success in Australia this year.
 
An ideal opportunity to greatly improve their Net Run Rate but Pakistan score 95/4 in 13.5 overs at a run-rate of 6.87 runs per over
 
This is the worst performance I’ve ever seen in my life watching cricket for over 20 years this should have been chased in 10-11 overs that even being extremely nice and lenient on these mediocre bunch they still took 14 overs against holland oh my word atleast get the nrr to +1.5
 
Man i am glad they just won, yeh could had batted faster but instead of the usualy complaining just support this team for once.

Even if they did chased it in 9 overs people would had bashed then that it was netherlands.

Anyways, glad we won today, the intent to attack was there.

No point critisizing your own, fans were celebrating rizwan miss his 50 and getting out which is just pathetic.

The tean is gonna pkay like this no matter what, you guys are the one that tune in to watch

It was a horrible performance.

The batting is too rigid and lacks direction, there is no creativity.

Chasing a small total like this against a weaker opponent is nothing short of shameless. It supports the argument that some players are prioritising their average / position in the team.

This criticism is not just from Pakistan supporters but most in the cricket community.
 
152-0 was because of the bowlers

Not Toss winning captain in Dubai
 
I dont get it, if you guys have so many issues eoth this team than why do you eben bother to watch them and waste your time?

Dekhna bhi hai, roona bhi hai.

Tired of the criticism this team has got for the last couple of days. Haters like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] bashed this team in wt2021 when we won all of our group matches.

So it doesnt matter how the team does, because some of you just need a bahan to insukt or critsize the team or players.

If you yourself want mental happiness just be happy the team has won and move on. Gonna get stuck with the usual nitty gritty than you will keep on complaining. The team plays like this, whether you like it or not.
 
On another note shout out to our Rizwan. He was struggling and clearly out of form but somehow still slugged it out for what would have been a well deserved 50.

His consistency even when the ball isn't coming on for him is starting to get scary.

Rizwan is the greatest t20 opener we have ever produced.
 
I dont get it, if you guys have so many issues eoth this team than why do you eben bother to watch them and waste your time?

Dekhna bhi hai, roona bhi hai.

Tired of the criticism this team has got for the last couple of days. Haters like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] bashed this team in wt2021 when we won all of our group matches.

So it doesnt matter how the team does, because some of you just need a bahan to insukt or critsize the team or players.

If you yourself want mental happiness just be happy the team has won and move on. Gonna get stuck with the usual nitty gritty than you will keep on complaining. The team plays like this, whether you like it or not.

we've been watching for decades in some instances, theres nothing wrong in calling out this kind of play because its simply not good enough to compete with the better teams.

there are many things which are not in your control, however intent always is, especially when things could come down to net run rate.

if all we cared about was the result and not the nitty gritty of how the team performed we wouldn't be on a cricket forum would we.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An ideal opportunity to greatly improve their Net Run Rate but Pakistan score 95/4 in 13.5 overs at a run-rate of 6.87 runs per over<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvsNED?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvsNED</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1586663987239964672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan 11/0 after 1 over<br>Pakistan next 5 overs 30/1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNED?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNED</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1586651163071594558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2022</a></blockquote>

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Pakistan's Medieval Approach

Pakistan will never evolve having been stuck in the nineties for 30 years. Awful approach today against average bowlers and a devastating batting lineup
 
Not sure why we are paying Matthew Hayden as a batting coach. Is it so he can spend his money on Food streets?
 
Pakistan will never evolve having been stuck in the nineties for 30 years. Awful approach today against average bowlers and a devastating batting lineup

Sadly, this is the story of Pakistan cricket. As long as we take inspiration from the 1992 WC we will always remain happy with being average, unpredictable, Qudrat ka nizam, nation prayers, etc etc. If it worked in 1992 it will also work in 2022. Unfortunately, this mindset will not change.
 
Not sure why we are paying Matthew Hayden as a batting coach. Is it so he can spend his money on Food streets?

I would rather have Miandad than Hayden as a mentor. At least he will put some sense in their heads. Hayden is just goofing around.
 
Regarding the approach, the fielding has been aggressive, the bowling excellent, but the batting has by and large been poor and lacking direction.
 
Regarding the approach, the fielding has been aggressive, the bowling excellent, but the batting has by and large been poor and lacking direction.

There is no batting template for batting first.

No direction as you said, no plan of how to utilize conditions and players.
 
I thought Shan played well, aside from that no batsman stepped up.

The rest of the middle/lower order couldn’t get the ball away.
 
There is no batting template for batting first.

No direction as you said, no plan of how to utilize conditions and players.

3 twos and 3 singles per over gives you 9 runs
That takes you to 180

Instead it's block or slog.
 
As usual, total lack of awareness from Pakistani batsman. They made Curran look first-class!
 
They have missed a trick by not just sticking to the twos and threes but they had to go for the big hits.

The slow PPs and useless middle order just puts too much pressure on the lower order.
 
Babar160 was always going to be put in to bat by England. What's the worst score you would have to chase with a deep batting line up?
 
Sadly, this is the story of Pakistan cricket. As long as we take inspiration from the 1992 WC we will always remain happy with being average, unpredictable, Qudrat ka nizam, nation prayers, etc etc. If it worked in 1992 it will also work in 2022. Unfortunately, this mindset will not change.

Exactly. Anyone who watched the T20 series vs ENG saw all these same issues - sluggish PP, failing to pick Rashid, and struggliny to accelerate on slow pitches. Instead of addressing these flaws, we rely on 1992 fairytales and philosophical quips to bail us out.
 
We rightly deserve to lose with this pathetic talent and skills , nothing wrong with the approach today though, they bat according to their limit and skills , if Pak had started gun blazing and have losted couple of wickets, the score would have been 120 odd.
 
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