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Pakistan team did not have video footage of de Grandhomme : Is that acceptable in today's world?

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Some quotes from Azhar Ali:

Azhar admits it was hard to prepare for de Grandhomme's slower seamers because of a lack of footage.

"Obviously when someone makes his debut, you really can't know how he will play," Azhar said.

"If you have less pace you have more swing and more control as well.

"We knew that but it was his day. It was his first game and he bowled Brilliantly."

http://www.newshub.co.nz/sport/vide...s-against-pakistan-in-christchurch-2016111818
 
Footage can only help you so much.

When you have been a consistent failure against the moving ball ever since the start of your intl career circa 2000 then 16 years later you're pretty much on your own.
 
Well now they have the footage of him taking 6 wickets. Let's see how they play him next time.
 
Well now they have the footage of him taking 6 wickets. Let's see how they play him next time.

bolt horse etc

Look we knew we had no practice time due to rain etc - so we should have been looking for any kind of advantage.
 
Honestly I half expected a guy like Neesham to run through Pakistan if they batted first. It's tough for any side to bat on a green top but it's the medium seamers who are the most difficult to face in such conditions with their dibbly dobblies. They can put the ball in the fuller length most consistently and accurately and hence will be the most difficult to face. It's how guys like Manoj Prabhakar and Praveen Kumar got wickets in England.

Which is why I wanted Pakistan to select a seam bowling all rounder like Yamin or Butt or whoever can do the dibbly dobbly thing the best. Nawaz is going to be useless here and the seam bowlers have to bowl a touch slow with more accuracy.
 
Ridiculous lack of planning in this day and age.

Surely footage could have been available and should have been used.
 
Everyone under estimated when this guy bowled his first over. Looked like a nothing bowler (in the Robin Singh's mould).

Saw the wickets, most of the balls were non-threatening. Pak batsmen played at balls which they should be leaving.
Only Amir got an unplayable one from Boult. Rest were pretty much gifted away.

Pak looked under prepared. Reminds me of the Indian team in 2011-2012 that showed up in England right after WI series without any practice game. Got humiliated by England 5-0.
 
There is no surprise that Pakistan has always given grand starts to mostly anyone who has debuted against them in international cricket.

This is just an excuse and a bad one at that rather than accepting the fact that some of the shot selections were terrible it is easy to say we didn't have any footage of this guy to be prepared to face him or know what to expect.
 
So, if that is the case, then every debutant in the world (before latest video technology was available) should have taken a fifer against us...BS excuse as ever!

Most of the dismissals were chasing the wide, extremely wide balls or batsmen getting bogged down and getting a decent deliverey!
 
Video footage or not our batting just lacked discipline just like it did in last test against W.I.

Seems our batsmen have lost a lot of batting focus since the england series, that needs to return and soon!
 
Video footage or not our batting just lacked discipline just like it did in last test against W.I.

Seems our batsmen have lost a lot of batting focus since the england series, that needs to return and soon!

+1 I think they are loosing concentration and trying to play ahead of their instinct
 
Medium pacers can be just as dangerous in helpful condition. India won 1983 WC because of it. Ganguly once won ODI MOS vs Pakistan once on bowling skills. Complacency also played big part.
 
This guy has played LoIs for New Zealand before. Video footage should have been readily available.
 
Reminds me of the story from before a South Africa tour in the 1990s.

South Africa had prepared 17 hours of footage of every Pakistani player - Pakistan had barely 17 hours of the entire South African team.

Footage or no footage, the shot selection was inexcusable. Kept chasing after wide deliveries outside off - and that was after Azhar and Aslam did the hard work blunting the new ball in the first hour !
 
Nobody expected De Grandhomme to show up with such a magnificent slug on his upper lip. That surely increased his abilities.
 
Medium pacers can be just as dangerous in helpful condition. India won 1983 WC because of it. Ganguly once won ODI MOS vs Pakistan once on bowling skills. Complacency also played big part.
1983 final is exhibit A.

The conditions were green and cloudy and were made for the Indian military medium pacers.

The West Indian pacers were too fast to extract anything out of the conditions
 
We just played him poorly, the only wicket deserving ball was the one which got Azhar out and to an extent, the Babar ball.
 
Footage is not always that easy to come by.

Coaches, analysts are being well-paid to do their job. Asessing an opposition player and helping the players is a part of their job.

Players were awful, but the people who failed to find footage etc need to be made an example of and taken to task.
 
Pakistan produced scores of 123, 281, 208 & 133 in their last 6 innings. Application is missing big time even without footage. Footage is nice to have, but batsmen are not applying themselves.
 
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Everyone under estimated when this guy bowled his first over. Looked like a nothing bowler (in the Robin Singh's mould).

Saw the wickets, most of the balls were non-threatening. Pak batsmen played at balls which they should be leaving.
Only Amir got an unplayable one from Boult. Rest were pretty much gifted away.

Pak looked under prepared. Reminds me of the Indian team in 2011-2012 that showed up in England right after WI series without any practice game. Got humiliated by England 5-0.

the one Azhar got was good too
 
Footage would not be easy to come by as only T20 domestic cricket is really televised in NZ and De Grandhomme has mostly only been a part time bowler untill recently.

That being said its a poor excuse anyway its test cricket you have all the time in the world to assess his bowling from the best seat in the house.
 
Footage would not be easy to come by as only T20 domestic cricket is really televised in NZ and De Grandhomme has mostly only been a part time bowler untill recently.

That being said its a poor excuse anyway its test cricket you have all the time in the world to assess his bowling from the best seat in the house.

I know in county cricket it's a requirement that every single ball bowled in any format is recorded from a standard broadcasting camera angle and stored. Would be curious to know if this is also the case in other countries.
 
All they would have had to do was contact his domestic team or the broadcasters in NZ of domestic or international cricket. Not really that difficult is it.
 
All they would have had to do was contact his domestic team or the broadcasters in NZ of domestic or international cricket. Not really that difficult is it.

Lets face it - the whole prep angle of this tour has been very weak

We seemed to spent so much time on England tour in our preparations as well as with media managers etc. This tour and even the Windies one seem to be done without too much fervour.
 
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I think footage is just an excuse.

Basically this millitary medium pacer was a horses for courses bowler and extracted enough movement off the wicket to temp Pak batsman to play silly shots outside off stump.

Yes the toss was crucial but they could have got 200 odd if they applied themselves.
 
Black Caps debutant Colin de Grandhomme has starred with the ball on day two of his side's test match against Pakistan, taking six wickets.

And the 30-year-old did it while sporting an outstanding moustache, drawing comparisons to Tom Selleck's famous character Thomas Magnum, from Magnum P.I.

The medium pace allrounder was apparently growing his mo as part of a Movember initiative with his Auckland Aces team before his Black Caps callup.

​But he has unwittingly continued a proud tradition of fast bowlers with as strong moustaches as in-swinging yorkers, including New Zealand's greatest ever bowler Sir Richard Hadlee.

In honour of those brave men, here are but a few bowlers who have steamrolled through opposition batting lineups with a hairy slug balanced upon their upper lip.

Sir Richard Hadlee

The best quick to ever roll their arm over for New Zealand took many of his 431 test wickets with some form of upper lip upholstery. He also had genuine claims to being an allrounder with his average of 27.16 in 86 tests.

He generally kept the lip foliage trimmed and in control, much like his beautiful bowling action.

Merv Hughes

The most famous moustache in cricket, perhaps in sport, was worn by the big Australian as he charged in for his 212 test wickets.

It was once reported his bristly, handlebar-style mo was insured for roughly $400,000. Myth or not, the thicket remains proudly perched all over the portly paceman's lower face.

Dennis Lillee

Perhaps Australia's greatest ever fast bowler, Lillee took 355 test wickets with the aid of decent nose tickler.

Lillee's moustache often threatened to turn into a full handlebar like Hughes', but it never quite reached the length or thickness to earn cult status. Still a masterful effort.

Kapil Dev

While the Indian great appears almost equal in the face caterpillar category with de Grandhomme, his allrounder exploits far outstrip that of the ex-pat South African.

Dev took 434 wickets at 5248 at 31.05, something which poor Colin has no chance to equal given the late start to his international career.

Ian Botham

There was a period of the English allrouders career when he combined a great slug with a dynamite mullet to be the envy of every man and in the dreams of every woman.

The mullet was gone by the time he played his starring role in the legendary 1981 Ashes test at Headingly - when England followed-on but still won by 18 runs - but the moustache, of course, endured.

Max Walker

The late Australian played just 34 tests, but took 138 wickets with a moustache to almost rival Hughes.

He kept his tea strainer until his death this year, although it had been trimmed back from the handlebar he rocked during his playing days.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/86620017/the-secret-to-fast-bowling-success-a-strong-moustache
 
I am sure they have some footage of him before this series?
 
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The Cricket ball used in Mens cricket is heavier than the one used in Womens cricket.


4.1 Weight and size

The ball, when new, shall weigh not less than 5.5 ounces/155.9 g, nor more than
5.75 ounces/163 g, and shall measure not less than 8.81 in/22.4 cm, nor more than 9 in/22.9 cm in circumference.



4.6 Specifications

The specifications as described in 4.1 shall apply to men’s cricket only. The following specifications shall apply to:

4.6.1 Women’s cricket

Weight: from 4.94 ounces/140 g to 5.31 ounces 151 g

Circumference: from 8.25 in/21.0 cm to 8.88 in/22.5 cm.


source: https://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-4-the-ball/
 
The Cricket ball used in Mens cricket is heavier than the one used in Womens cricket.


4.1 Weight and size

The ball, when new, shall weigh not less than 5.5 ounces/155.9 g, nor more than
5.75 ounces/163 g, and shall measure not less than 8.81 in/22.4 cm, nor more than 9 in/22.9 cm in circumference.



4.6 Specifications

The specifications as described in 4.1 shall apply to men’s cricket only. The following specifications shall apply to:

4.6.1 Women’s cricket

Weight: from 4.94 ounces/140 g to 5.31 ounces 151 g

Circumference: from 8.25 in/21.0 cm to 8.88 in/22.5 cm.


source: https://www.lords.org/mcc/laws-of-cricket/laws/law-4-the-ball/

Wow, didnt know that
 
De Grandhomme isn't trying to anything special with the ball that you need video footage to prepare for him. You just need to find a way to get him of his line and length and he is in trouble.


Shouldn't need for video footage to know how to get a bowler of his line and length. It's something you are taught as you grow as a batsmen.
 
WELLINGTON, Dec 12 (Reuters) - Fast bowler Lockie Ferguson, all-rounder Colin de Grandhomme and left-arm spinner Ajaz Patel are still causing some injury worries for New Zealand’s cricket team, selector Gavin Larsen has said.

De Grandhomme and Ferguson have been ruled out of the Twenty20 series against Pakistan that starts next week in Auckland, while the all-rounder is doubtful for the test series that follows.

Ferguson’s injury appears to be the most troubling, with Larsen confirming that scans on Friday had revealed a stress fracture in his back.

“I’m gutted for Lockie,” Larsen told reporters at the Basin Reserve on Saturday. “He has an X-factor with the pace at which he bowls. He has grown his role ... and is a pivotal member of our bowling lineup in Twenty20 cricket.

“This is a major setback, but we will keep our fingers crossed that when the prognosis comes through that we’re talking weeks not months.”

De Grandhomme was ruled out of the ongoing series against West Indies with a foot injury and was unlikely to be risked for the Pakistan series, while Patel was still battling with a calf strain.

Larsen said de Grandhomme will likely be out beyond the Pakistan test matches. “The last thing we want is to put him back on the park and he’s not quite ready and we lose him for the season.”

Patel, however, may come into consideration if he can get through a New Zealand A match next week in Whangarei, Larsen said.

“Ajaz is tracking well. Bowling is not an issue, but with a calf it’s the explosive work needed while fielding, sharp turning that is more of a concern at this stage.

“We’d like to think he gets through some good work up there then we can chuck him back into consideration for the Boxing Day test.”


https://uk.reuters.com/article/cric...me-still-injury-concerns-larsen-idUKL4N2IS039
 
So seems Pakistan's bogey man from 2016 may not be there this time.
 
No footage of Grandhomme bowling, no footage of Woakes batting, someone needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
 
Pakistan has habit of making heroes out of rookies. Grandhomme, Jackson Bird, Duanne Olivier. I am sure they will gift plenty of wickets to Kyle Jamieson this time around.
 
You have footage of Jamieson now. No excuse. Work him out. Watch CDG. He is an average bowler. Just bash him around. His trundling 120 pace should be dealt with. No excuses. Do not underestimate him though. Always learn about every bowler listed in the squad. EVERY BOWLER. even the reserves.
 
Pakistan must plan against the bowlers off new Zealand and they must plan and excute plans for thier bateman
 
Don’t forget Marcus North and Irfan Pathan.

Ah yes, how could I forget Marcus North? Nathan Hauritz should be added to the list too while we're on the topic.

Irfan Pathan was actually good at the start of his career, so I can forgive that one.
 
No need to worry now for Pakistan!

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Black Caps all-rounder Colin de Grandhomme has been ruled out of the test series against Pakistan.

Coach Gary Stead said de Grandhomme has a 'stress reaction' in his right foot and isn't back running or bowling. Stead added they were hoping for a mid-January return for the all-rounder.

De Grandhomme missed the West Indies series, replaced in the side by Daryl Mitchell.

In other squad news, skipper Kane Williamson remains on baby watch after missing the second test win over West Indies in Wellington. Stead said the plan is still for him to join the Twenty20 squad for games two and three.

Stead provided some positive news for spin bowler Ajaz Patel who will prepare with the New Zealand A side this week and is looking to be in contention for the opening test against Pakistan at Bay Oval starting Boxing Day.

The left-arm spinner had struggled with a calf injury but the state of the pitch will determine whether he will play in his ninth test, with the Black Caps favouring four seam bowlers in the opening two tests this summer.

Meanwhile, Lockie Ferguson has had scans on a back issue and is awaiting results.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cr...istan-test-series/TWXHUIJIQSEGAWNW5GPLLCLDIU/
 
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