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Pakistan team is in rebuilding phase and we would see good results over next 2 years

KP From India

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Pakistan, despite losing another overseas series, have seemed to found a stable unit.
Batsmen are looking grity and determined. Bowlers have the potential to bundle out teams below 200 in SENA.
Yasir Shah if given proper support, can play for another 3-4 years and can get wickets even overseas.
Over a next few years, I feel this team would win at least 3 tours in SENA with one hard faught series draw/loss.
 
I think in Pakistani calender 2 years = 50 years because we have been hearing this for the last 20 years.
 
Australia if they suffered a defeat like this would definitely make wholesale changes
 
Pakistan, despite losing another overseas series, have seemed to found a stable unit.
Batsmen are looking grity and determined. Bowlers have the potential to bundle out teams below 200 in SENA.
Yasir Shah if given proper support, can play for another 3-4 years and can get wickets even overseas.
Over a next few years, I feel this team would win at least 3 tours in SENA with one hard faught series draw/loss.

I agree Pakistan will be a gun side, they will be world champions in 2 years, this is just a rebuilding stage. Every team in every sport has to go through it.
 
Australia if they suffered a defeat like this would definitely make wholesale changes

What makes you compare Australia with Pakistan? On what level are the two comparable? Bowling? Batting? Fielding? Mental strength? Game awareness?
 
What makes you compare Australia with Pakistan? On what level are the two comparable? Bowling? Batting? Fielding? Mental strength? Game awareness?

Just comparing the difference in culture bw the two teams. For far too long our board and selectors have given the players the message that it is okay to be mediocre, it is okay to have mediocre batting and bowling stats, it is okay to fail in 9 consecutive games and to score a career saving 50-100 to play the next 2 series.

You can't build a high performance culture like this where players will be pushed to get out of their comfort zones and you certainly will not help the team get out from the bottom three rankings
 
Mods look at these type of threads.Why Indian trolls are allowed here? This is not funny anymore
 
Pakistan is in a rebuilding stage ..... I've been hearing it since Inzamam's retirement.
 
2 years, we’re goona be world beaters in 2 months. This tour was just a warmup, no one was taking it seriously.
 
:))) Brother just laugh it off, today is their day, tomorrow when they get thrashed in Sydney test will be our day ;)

it's going to be 4-0 for australia...we knew it even before the tour started
 
We will see better results in the next 2 years because we play 6 of our 8 test series' in Asia.
 
australia was also without their top players....warner, handscomb and mitchell johnson were missing

Good Point, Australia missing Will Pucovski, Warner, James Pattinson, Peter Siddle (a beast in Australian conditions) and Smith being out of form because of Pakistani bowling performance against him last summer
 
Ind cant play even a slightest of swing to save their lives. We have seen that in NZ. Pak is lot better to negate such a bowling. They can bat atleast 3 sessions in such conditions. In SA, we couldnt chase 207.
I'll be happy if another episode 36 not happened with us in next 2 tests.
 
with the ** going on in the selection, we will forever be in rebuilding mode as far as the results are concerned, as we cater to the ttf's and well backed players...
 
Fluke win because Australians drank too much beer thinking it will be too easy now without Kohli

Hope Pakistan also win a fluke win in Australia bcz in past 20 year forget about win they can't even draw a single game
 
Team is in rebuilding phase with not a single batsmen under 30 ( Pakistani years ).
 
Nice trolling but you’re actually right.

We’ve got a good core of players in there mid 20’s who have experience and will likely peak in the next 5-6 years.

Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Imad Wasim
Faheem Ashraf
Hassan Ali
Khushdil Shah
Hussain Talat (Future Test Captain)
Mohammad Rizwan

Now add in the youngsters

Shaheen Afridi
Haidar Ali
Naseem Shah (LOI only)
Azam Khan
Mohammad Husnain

Once all these players hit their peaks we’ll see a team that can compete with the Top 3.
 
I strongly believe if Pak batting with Babar were to be chasing 207 in SA or 194 in Eng in last innings, they would have got there unlike us. Ind folded for 135 and 160 in those 2 tests.
 
Well I guess we will be at par with India in recovery period since they also got thrashed by NZ a year ago. Also they recovered pretty well from lows of 36.

So looks good I guess
 
:91: I see what you did there.

We have settled openers with multiple 100 run partnerships. Middle order is young but averaging 32+ in SENA. Pacers bowl above 140 clicks. Can land a ball in the right places 6 times in a row :91: Yasir Shah is Anil Kumble a spin maestro in all conditions
 
Pakistan would have chased 207 in Port elizabeth or 194 at edgbastan in last innings of a test match. Also more than likely to have chased 240 had they met NZ in WC semi finals.
 
Pakistan would have chased 207 in Port elizabeth or 194 at edgbastan in last innings of a test match. Also more than likely to have chased 240 had they met NZ in WC semi finals.

Yet our bowling is not good enough to land us in these situations.

Notice how we bottled the first Test against England this year - our batting put up a very competitive total, and we were well on course to winning before we failed to bowl them out.

In New Zealand, Pakistan’s batting has actually performed better than India’s batting did last year -

Pakistan
239
271
297
186

India
165
191
242
124

I would even venture and say that Pakistan’s batting is at par with India’s in SENA, and sometimes better.

The difference is that India has a much better bowling attack than we do - it’s settled, has some world class spearheads and fantastic support bowlers, and bench strength is solid too.
 
(In NZ, using 2019 and 2020 series)
(Over 4 innings)

Pakistan’s average innings score with the bat: 248
India’s average innings score with the bat: 180

Pakistan’s average runs conceded per 10 wickets: 604.7
India’s average runs conceded per 10 wickets: 314.7

So if we establish India as a benchmark, since it is the best or at least top 3 team right now and more comparable than any SENA country to Pakistan since it is Asian, then our actual issue is not with the batting order.

Note that the above statistics are also without Babar Azam, who subs in for Haris Sohail who has 28 runs in 4 innings.

My argument is that it’s Pakistan’s bowling attack that is in a rebuilding phase, not the batting order. We also have some excellent prospects in Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam coming through, but we do not have any potentially international class bowling prospects on the fringes except Hassan Ali.

What we need is to find good support for Shaheen, who himself would be a support bowler in any other team right now, not a spearhead.

Abbas used to be an excellent spearhead but his lack of pace has made him completely ineffective, plus batsmen have learned to stand out of the crease to him. Naseem had a lot of good potential, but his action has been heavily tinkered with and I fear for his future (I don’t think his potential is as bad as stats suggest).

We are heavily reliant on Hassan Ali maintaining fitness without injury and quickly taking the Abbas role in the attack. If this can be done quickly, we might indeed see results in 2 years as the OP is suggesting.

We also need a strike spinner who maintains good control - Yasir, Zafar, Sajid, and Zahid are all pretty good, but none of them is particularly good. This is another dilemma we need to figure out. For what it’s worth, Usman Qadir should be playing lots and lots of first class cricket, as he generates pretty good turn but lacks control. The other spinners I mentioned, honestly any of them will have to make do for us over the next 2 years.

The best bowling attack I can think of using current resources to be developed for England and NZ conditions in 2024, let’s say, is this:

Hassan Ali
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Faheem Ashraf
Sajid Khan / Zafar Gohar

It’s not particularly remarkable, but I do expect it to be better than right now.

I expect Hassan to be more penetrative than Abbas was, Shaheen to be an improved bowler, and Naseem to get back up to his regular pace (assuming he gets proper technical bowling advice) and exert more control while nipping the ball around.

I don’t think the spinners will be particularly exceptional, and I don’t think Faheem can do any more than a holding job and the odd wicket.

The biggest takeaway though, is that Pakistan is unlikely to become that much of a better side in years to come, let alone the next 2 years. I think our batting will stay par with what it is now, or maybe slightly better (hopefully we can average 300 per innings next time we tour NZ, not 250 like this year). Our bowling, however, will have to significantly, significantly improve.

That’s what we need to focus on rebuilding right now.
 
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