Pakistan team morale after loss to India

[Savak]

Yes the defeat and the nature of the defeat to India has left all of us hurt, dissapointed and frustrated. But let's keep things in perspective, the team still has a chance to qualify for the Super 8's if they win against Namibia.

Some Geo reporters on tv and social media are reporting that Mike Hesson gave the senior players a brutal tongue lashing after the game and he has made it clear to them i.e. Babar and Shaheen that they are not going to play the next game.

It is the job of the team management and the captain to lift the morale of the players and despite their limited abilities to make them believe that they are good enough to win and proceed further in the tournament. Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz Ahmed did it in the 2017 CT.

I am just worried Hesson verbally lashing out the senior players and replacing them for the next game will not spread panic and further demoralize the team.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Let’s stop pretending this is just “one bad day.” Losing is one thing but losing badly to India in that manner is a pattern we’ve seen too often. Hurt and frustration are natural, but blind optimism isn’t leadership either.

If Mike Hesson did give the seniors a dressing down, maybe it’s because the same senior core keeps failing in big moments. At some point, accountability has to replace comfort. You can’t keep backing the same names and expecting different results.

Dropping players like Babar Azam or Shaheen Afridi isn’t about panic, it’s about sending a message that no one is bigger than the team. Form, intent, and performance should matter more than reputation.

Yes, morale is important but so is standards. When Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz Ahmed led the 2017 turnaround, they didn’t just “motivate” they demanded fight and clarity of roles.

If the team can’t beat Namibia to qualify, then let’s be honest, they don’t deserve the Super 8s anyway.

This isn’t the time to protect egos. It’s the time to protect standards.

 

[mon858]

Seriously, are they 2 year olds??? Its absolutely fine for coach to get real with players. And absolutely right thing to drop Babar and Shaheen. One game too late but better late than never.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

If these reports are true then kudos to Hesson. I also feel we need to move past this mindset of 'it will demoralize the players'. This is international cricket. If you, as a player can't take a tongue-lashing after you have performed this poorly then you are in the wrong profession.

Take accountability and man up. Instead of acting like a bunch of mentally weak, gutless cowards... isse pehlay ke paani sar pe se guzar jaye.

 

[Technics 1210]

Source : Trust me bro.

 

[SportsWarrior]

I don’t think morale will be all that bad. I think Pak knew they will probably lose. Also they still have a chance to get to semis or final and take revenge. India or any other team can be beaten. After all this is t20 which unforgiving and fifteen minutes of good play can get you an upset. That also means india has to play good always to keep winning

 

[jnaveen1980]

The funny thing is Babar is the second highest run getter for pakistan after Farhan in this world cup lol.

 

[Kriketer]

Shaheen and Shadab must be dropped.

Despite Babar rarely ever performing against India, he still is the most reliable batsman and tends to perform against most other teams. We just don't have a pool of reliable batsmen, and anyone remotely as consistent as him. Babar is a proud minnow basher in this format, I would want him dropped from T20s too but our domestic cricket doesn't produce good batsmen and neither bench is anything you can count on

 

[Cric1234]

Babar hasn't developed his power game at all.... Struggles to hit sixes against better teams and associates too in tournaments such batting has no place in t20s today.

 

[msb314]

I really don’t understand why Saim and Salman do not get criticism for their lack of game awareness…

Saim has failed in the Asia Cup and now looking like a dud in the WorldT20 too.. Invented himself as all-rounder to save his place in the team once he realized his batting is rubbish.

Same goes Salman… trying to be an all-rounder now but should he criticizing his game awareness after the awful shot he played against Bumrah

 

[jnaveen1980]

Each player is trying to hide behind "all rounder" role. In Srilanka getting away with these numbers as a spinner is not that hard. Your main department is batting. That is where you have to shine.

 

[ads101]

Part of me thinks Babar is playing just as a scapegoat. If we lose, we played Babar. If Babar were out, there would be people complaining we would have done better had Babar been included. Babar is playing at 4, which isn’t going to be his best place to perform with his game, has to be top order.

They have made so many mistakes. Playing too many allrounders. Their shuffling of Hasan and Haris in the past was disastrous. The toss decision wrong.

Babar isn’t to blame for picking himself. In fact I have no idea why they recalled someone out of form. He should never have come back to the squad until he excelled in PSL. I don’t think he’d perform in the top 3 let alone at 4 these days.

Shaheen what can you do. He has been inconsistent for a long time. When he turns up, he turns up. If you don’t want him to play, don’t pick him.

 

[prash88]

Pakistan just ran into the best side in the competition. Pakistan is in a tough super 8 group with NZ, Eng and SL. They have to be at their best to reach semis....

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

The point here is to get into a KO stages, anything can happen in this format, any team can win or lose in a big KO game.

Lastly, i remember in 2016 or so, my pak friend sending this link from PSL in which there were two amazing runouts done by shadaab Khan, when he was relatively unknown. At point/CT 2017 or so, i really thought this dude would be the next shahid afridi type allrounder.
He's one guy who has regressed unbelievably.
I cannot recall the last time he won a ODI/T200 against a leading team at all or even an impactful performance. He can't spin it, his lenghts are atrocious and he gives these freebies almost every ball, his batting has also gone down the drain so fast.
Yes, he is a brilliant fielder and thats about it. Even that Sajid don guy can spin it better than him and could have been more useful here.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Pakistan is a nepotism 11 from top to bottom. Naqvi is well known will powers. Shadab is saqlains Son in Law, SSA is Shahids.. And then I am sure there are few other parchis. I used to think earlier that Pakistanis are giving excuses when they talk about Parchi system due to lack of talent.
There is some inherent talent, but the utilisation is not there. They don't plan anything, don't make good decisions on field.
What baffled me most was Usman Tariq not bowling an over upfront. And this is no specific to any coaching setup.
Hesson is a smart operator. It seems like something hidden or something happens and they collectively lose there mind in games against India.

The point here is to get into a KO stages, anything can happen in this format, any team can win or lose in a big KO game.

Lastly, i remember in 2016 or so, my pak friend sending this link from PSL in which there were two amazing runouts done by shadaab Khan, when he was relatively unknown. At point/CT 2017 or so, i really thought this dude would be the next shahid afridi type allrounder.
He's one guy who has regressed unbelievably.
I cannot recall the last time he won a ODI/T200 against a leading team at all or even an impactful performance. He can't spin it, his lenghts are atrocious and he gives these freebies almost every ball, his batting has also gone down the drain so fast.
Yes, he is a brilliant fielder and thats about it. Even that Sajid don guy can spin it better than him and could have been more useful here.

 

[daytrader]

Still early in the tournament and maybe this could be the rude awakening that this management needed. It's easy to blame Babar and Shaheen but the facts are that our tactics were all over the place. Why have we not included an extra batter even after the scare against Netherlands? Especially when we have so many all rounders who aren't even required. Do we really need 4 part time spin bowling all rounders? If Agha was going to bowl in this match, which they knew he would as that was the plan, then why didn't they drop Nawaz or Shadab for a specialist batter.

And then all of the Australia series they didn't even chase once after winning the toss yet here they want to do something extraordinary.

Hesson is confused and trying too much. Just needs keep it simple. We have too many bowling resources, Faheem and Agha need to be utilized more so that we can drop a bowler for a batter. Still a long way to go. Hopefully when we meet India in the semis our team balance and tactics have improved by then.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Pakistan will have to fight it out in Super 8's. It's a tough group with Sri Lanka, England & New Zealand.

England just recently beat Sri Lanka 3-0 in Sri Lanka. New Zealand were beaten 1-4 by India in India but have spinners to keep other teams in check. Pakistan too with their battery of spinners will do well. I just checked most of these Super 8 matches are in Pallekele where dew can negate the spinners in 2nd innings.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Pakistan major hope is bowling first and restricting teams to 140 and 150 or batting first and scoring 180.

If these do things dont happen, they wont win the match.

 

[prash88]

England

Pakistan will have to fight it out in Super 8's. It's a tough group with Sri Lanka, England & New Zealand.

England just recently beat Sri Lanka 3-0 in Sri Lanka. New Zealand were beaten 1-4 by India in India but have spinners to keep other teams in check. Pakistan too with their battery of spinners will do well. I just checked most of these Super 8 matches are in Pallekele where dew can negate the spinners in 2nd innings.

Yes England bowling ll perform better in SL pitches especially Rashid and Dawson who were crap in Indian pitches..

 

[rballer]

Honestly, these guys need to be chewed on. If you don’t keep a tight leash on them, they become too show offs. I still can’t believe the lowly act of Sahibzada on Bumrah. How immature one has to be to think that is an achievement instead of getting a W.
Low thinking, and morally bankrupt players only playing for their social media followers instead of national team.

If I was the coach, I would release my Alsatian kuttay after them.

 

[chakdeindian]

One match lost to India and you get zillions of threads discussing the same things in different headers..The most unfortunate things is even the Pak cricket management has the same mentality..No one is bothered about the world cup, just get obsessed with India..just one time you defeat India and then get satisfied for next 10 years.

 

[kron]

It’s Pandya
Pakistan and Aus are scared of Pandya power.

 

[Savak]

The point here is to get into a KO stages, anything can happen in this format, any team can win or lose in a big KO game.

Lastly, i remember in 2016 or so, my pak friend sending this link from PSL in which there were two amazing runouts done by shadaab Khan, when he was relatively unknown. At point/CT 2017 or so, i really thought this dude would be the next shahid afridi type allrounder.
He's one guy who has regressed unbelievably.
I cannot recall the last time he won a ODI/T200 against a leading team at all or even an impactful performance. He can't spin it, his lenghts are atrocious and he gives these freebies almost every ball, his batting has also gone down the drain so fast.
Yes, he is a brilliant fielder and thats about it. Even that Sajid don guy can spin it better than him and could have been more useful here.

Shadab is no longer the young athletic flexible guy of 2017 when he was officially 19. Its almost been ten years now. I believe there is some element of age fudging and he is probably in his early 30's. He has been complaining about having groin issues and a shoulder problem which he came back from. The way he is moving around the field shows he is no spring chicken. Afridi in his late 30's or early 40's looked more athletic and fitter.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I really don’t understand why Saim and Salman do not get criticism for their lack of game awareness…

Saim has failed in the Asia Cup and now looking like a dud in the WorldT20 too.. Invented himself as all-rounder to save his place in the team once he realized his batting is rubbish.

Same goes Salman… trying to be an all-rounder now but should he criticizing his game awareness after the awful shot he played against Bumrah

Because salman is T20 hero and Saim is talented.. that is there whole CV... 4 out of 4 defeat for Salman now and he still looked clueless.. Toss won and chose to bowl when he knew that it is slow wicket and batting first team won more games.. He never chased against Australia at home but suddenly he tried to do herogiri and failed yet again..

Saim is a pathetic batter and his time in the team is short

 

[Syed1]

By now they should be used to the constant defeats at the hands of India. Why would their morale take a hit when the result was a foregone conclusion even before a ball was bowled

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Pakistan is a nepotism 11 from top to bottom. Naqvi is well known will powers. Shadab is saqlains Son in Law, SSA is Shahids.. And then I am sure there are few other parchis. I used to think earlier that Pakistanis are giving excuses when they talk about Parchi system due to lack of talent.
There is some inherent talent, but the utilisation is not there. They don't plan anything, don't make good decisions on field.
What baffled me most was Usman Tariq not bowling an over upfront. And this is no specific to any coaching setup.
Hesson is a smart operator. It seems like something hidden or something happens and they collectively lose there mind in games against India.

Wow...I had no idea he is s-in- law of saqi bhai.

& Yes UT should have bowled earlier, surely Mike hesson after watching him in IPL etc is a clued on guy who takes matchups seriously,.

& the mega dud thing they did was, on such a slow pitch where it grips, no overs to Faheem??
Look @ the success - HP who is a similar type of bowler has had on this wicket.
In face I was super surprised to see Faheem has not bowled any ov in this WC.

 

[Syed1]

Wow...I had no idea he is s-in- law of saqi bhai.

& Yes UT should have bowled earlier, surely Mike hesson after watching him in IPL etc is a clued on guy who takes matchups seriously,.

& the mega dud thing they did was, on such a slow pitch where it grips, no overs to Faheem??
Look @ the success - HP who is a similar type of bowler has had on this wicket.
In face I was super surprised to see Faheem has not bowled any ov in this WC.

It's such a dumb move captaincy and planning wise. Faheem is in the team primarily for his bowling. If he is not going to bowl then play a proper batsman

 

[Bhaijaan]

Poor coaching if the reports are true.

Pakistan just has an India problem. Other than that historically they find ways to get through. So no point overreacting. Even Wasim didn’t.

 

[rballer]

Wow...I had no idea he is s-in- law of saqi bhai.

& Yes UT should have bowled earlier, surely Mike hesson after watching him in IPL etc is a clued on guy who takes matchups seriously,.

& the mega dud thing they did was, on such a slow pitch where it grips, no overs to Faheem??
Look @ the success - HP who is a similar type of bowler has had on this wicket.
In face I was super surprised to see Faheem has not bowled any ov in this WC.

-Shadab is Damand 1 - son in law of Saqlain
-Shaheen is Damad 2- son in law of Shahid
-Faheem is straight up parchi. It’s not even hidden
- Babar has strong pull in PCB in background obviously through political connections

So those 4 spots are already taken. That leaves behind 7 spots that needs to be filled, with one being keeper and one captain.

 

[harshjoshi87]

-Shadab is Damand 1 - son in law of Saqlain
-Shaheen is Damad 2- son in law of Shahid
-Faheem is straight up parchi. It’s not even hidden
- Babar has strong pull in PCB in background obviously through political connections

So those 4 spots are already taken. That leaves behind 7 spots that needs to be filled, with one being keeper and one captain.

Faheem I hate him for his attitude during the Asia Cup final, but he was pick of bowlers in that final. Also he single-handedly won the match vs Netherlands the other day. He was dropped at a crucial moment by O'Dowd but his 2 sixes sealed that match in Pak favour.

 

[Varun]

Let’s stop pretending this is just “one bad day.” Losing is one thing but losing badly to India in that manner is a pattern we’ve seen too often. Hurt and frustration are natural, but blind optimism isn’t leadership either.

If Mike Hesson did give the seniors a dressing down, maybe it’s because the same senior core keeps failing in big moments. At some point, accountability has to replace comfort. You can’t keep backing the same names and expecting different results.

Dropping players like Babar Azam or Shaheen Afridi isn’t about panic, it’s about sending a message that no one is bigger than the team. Form, intent, and performance should matter more than reputation.

Yes, morale is important but so is standards. When Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz Ahmed led the 2017 turnaround, they didn’t just “motivate” they demanded fight and clarity of roles.

If the team can’t beat Namibia to qualify, then let’s be honest, they don’t deserve the Super 8s anyway.

This isn’t the time to protect egos. It’s the time to protect standards.

Can we stop using ChatGPT? It's lazy.