Pakistani cricketers' reaction is damaging the Pakistan cricket brand more than NZC's cancellation

[ramki]

I understand how hurtful this situation is for whole lot of Pakistanis and especially the cricket fans.

However, except for rare few, I am saddened to see the emotional and unprofessional outrage by Pakistani cricketers (Inzy, Raja, Akshtar) at NZC board.

Even the composed Wazim Khan seems to have lost his cool in today's statement.

I do not know how NZC could have handled this better. If they were not shared the threat and only the govt itself decided at a much higher level, how can we all blame NZC?

But I do know that the statesmen of Pakistani cricket are not handling this better. This is not mano-a-mano between individual cricket players. The rants and threats to withdraw from WT20 and other bilateral series is not helping.

At this point, these reactions are only making a western cricket board more wary in dealing with PCB.

Having been in Western countries for 25 years, I know that countries like Canada/New Zealand/Ireland/Australia handle public threats very very conservatively, compared to, say France or South Africa.

The only recourse is to raise a complaint against NZC and find a new protocol on how to handle such forfeitures.

Junaid said it best in his new thread.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan cannot be damaged any more than it already has by this stunt of NZ

Unfortunately, Pakistani cricketers have not done enough on social Media IMO

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No Pakistani player whether they are current or former, has called out any New Zealand players or the team itself. They focus on the complete mockery New Zealand has made of Pakistan.

Your allegations are baseless.


You claim you do not know how NZ could have acted better, I suggest you take some time to ponder this before making suggestions as to how Pakistanis can act better.



And anyway, if 'western boards' are willing to cancel tours on the basis of tweets from retired players then surely that is a sign of their unprofessionalism....

 

[Hasan123]

Yes some of the players aren’t helping the situation. It was an NZ government situation. No team is going against their country’s government advice. All these ex players and our players need to understand the situation before giving statements and posting on social media.

 

[Technics 1210]

They’re coming out of the wood works!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes some of the players aren’t helping the situation. It was an NZ government situation. No team is going against their country’s government advice. All these ex players and our players need to understand the situation before giving statements and posting on social media.

Can you show mw where our ex players asked the NZ team to go against their governments advice?

 

[Hasan123]

Can you show mw where our ex players asked the NZ team to go against their governments advice?

It’s not that they have said that. But the comments and stuff I have seen show that most don’t understand the situation.

 

[Savak]

Lol the OP epitomizes the phattu nature of the Pakistani populace whenever mistreated. I dare the NZCB to do this against the country of India and expect a civilized reaction.

Every situation deserves a justified due response and this was that type of situation where the angry reaction from the nation of Pakistan was completely justified

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It’s not that they have said that. But the comments and stuff I have seen show that most don’t understand the situation.

Which ones specifically?

 

[ManFan]

I love the “we should be rational and civilized” approach of some bootlicking posters here.

I wonder if NZ did this to IND what their reactions would be?

But then again, if guys like Matthew Hayden can go from calling India a ******** to licking their backsides for money, there will be no surprise what NZ would do.

 

[ElRaja]

what do you expect them to do?

the precedent this will set basically means no top team will tour Pakistan in the short to medium term. there is no power in place to mediate such scenarios given the icc has no real power. the only outcome will be the pcb footing the bill for a tour that did not happen with no recourse to compensation.

regardless of right or wrong the pcb and pakistan cricketers will feel hard done by which has resulted in tweets like this.

the real issue that there is no power to mediate such problems.

 

[Saj]

Even the composed Wazim Khan seems to have lost his cool in today's statement.

I watched the full press conference and at no point did he lose his cool.

Were you watching the right press conference?

 

[Hasan123]

Which ones specifically?

Mohammed Amir said something about this coming back to bite NZ which just shows he doesn’t understand the situation. And I was just watching Musthaq Ahmed saying New Zealand need to be questioned on why they “ran away”. NZ didn’t run away, they were following their government’s advice. I truly believe most Pakistanis don’t understand the situation and just want to play victim.

We don’t decide what is safe for people, also NZ will look after there own interests. They have no obligation to help us. Furthermore no team would go against their own governments advice to play a game of cricket. We need to move on and see what happens. Can’t believe grown men are still crying and complaining about this. It’s done now.

 

[Buffet]

Which ones specifically?

Here is one and it was a pretty poor comment.

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Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today??? -- Hafeez


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So it seems Hafeez wanted some attack to happen to prove that threat was real. These players should stay away from Tweeter.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Pakistani cricketers have every right to be angry just like every Pakistani does. The entire situation was a condescending slap on the face to this Pakistan, its security forces and everything it has done to bring international cricket back. Not to mention, incredibly disrespectful and callous because if a supposed terrorist threat existed then the people of Pakistan would have been at danger. But the lives of those people were clearly of no concern to New Zealand.

Jacinda Arden should have finished her statement: "The safety and security of our players is paramount...and Pakistani lives are of absolutely no concern to us."

 

[ManFan]

Here is one and it was a pretty poor comment.

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Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today??? -- Hafeez


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So it seems Hafeez wanted some attack to happen to prove that threat was real. These players should stay away from Tweeter.

Hafeez was pointing out the irony of the situation.

But nice try.

 

[ManFan]

Pakistani cricketers have every right to be angry just like every Pakistani does. The entire situation was a condescending slap on the face to this Pakistan, its security forces and everything it has done to bring international cricket back. Not to mention, incredibly disrespectful and callous because if a supposed terrorist threat existed then the people of Pakistan would have been at danger. But the lives of those people were clearly of no concern to New Zealand.

Jacinda Arden should have finished her statement: "The safety and security of our players is paramount...and Pakistani lives are of absolutely no concern to us."

She should have quoted Animal Farm.

“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others”

 

[UzmanBeast]

Here is one and it was a pretty poor comment.

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Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today??? -- Hafeez


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So it seems Hafeez wanted some attack to happen to prove that threat was real. These players should stay away from Tweeter.

Hafeez pointed out a very valid point. He thanked our security for getting them safe and sound to where they needed to go.

Yes, the same route was used. It does show that if New Zealand shared their intelligence, we could have used an alternate route to get them to where they needed to be in a safer manner.

 

[Buffet]

Hafeez was pointing out the irony of the situation.

But nice try.

Do you see the irony here?

It was simply a poor comment and coming form fans its fine. I don't think it should come from fellow cricketers.

 

[Mamoon]

Not to mention, incredibly disrespectful and callous because if a supposed terrorist threat existed then the people of Pakistan would have been at danger. But the lives of those people were clearly of no concern to New Zealand.

Jacinda Arden should have finished her statement: "The safety and security of our players is paramount...and Pakistani lives are of absolutely no concern to us."

She should have quoted Animal Farm.

“All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others”

So should New Zealand have stayed in Pakistan and risked the safety of its players because the people of Pakistan are under risk as well

OR

should they have taken Pakistanis with them to New Zealand to save them from a potential terrorist attack?

 

[ManFan]

Do you see the irony here?

It was simply a poor comment and coming form fans its fine. I don't think it should come from fellow cricketers.

He’s a professional cricketer. He didn’t insult the team or resort to name-calling.

He stated the situation as he saw it. You can disagree with it but it’s not lacking in taste.

I’ve seen MUCH worse from cricketers, on the field and off.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I understand how hurtful this situation is for whole lot of Pakistanis and especially the cricket fans.

However, except for rare few, I am saddened to see the emotional and unprofessional outrage by Pakistani cricketers (Inzy, Raja, Akshtar) at NZC board.

Even the composed Wazim Khan seems to have lost his cool in today's statement.

I do not know how NZC could have handled this better. If they were not shared the threat and only the govt itself decided at a much higher level, how can we all blame NZC?

But I do know that the statesmen of Pakistani cricket are not handling this better. This is not mano-a-mano between individual cricket players. The rants and threats to withdraw from WT20 and other bilateral series is not helping.

At this point, these reactions are only making a western cricket board more wary in dealing with PCB.

Having been in Western countries for 25 years, I know that countries like Canada/New Zealand/Ireland/Australia handle public threats very very conservatively, compared to, say France or South Africa.

The only recourse is to raise a complaint against NZC and find a new protocol on how to handle such forfeitures.

Junaid said it best in his new thread.

I think you need to think about what has been said by a lot of reputable posters.

Nobody wanted to hold New Zealand in a country they felt unsafe.

We are merely confused as to why they did not share intelligence so that they could be kept more safe, and our security could stop this threat in its tracks.

There were many different ways to achieve the same end goal of leaving.

You fail to understand this.

They did not have to undermine our efforts efforts and disgrace us. They did not need to damage our cricket to the extent they did. There were many ways to handle this situation, a joint statement, communication and cooperation, etc.

They chose the option that would harm PCB and Pakistan cricket. People with the interest of harming us don't deserve our support or praise. They didn't walk out of a warzone that we need to sing songs about their heroism.

 

[UzmanBeast]

So should New Zealand have stayed in Pakistan and risked the safety of its players because the people of Pakistan are under risk as well

OR

should they have taken Pakistanis with them to New Zealand to save them from a potential terrorist attack?

Should have informed our security forces to allow for the most efficient evacuation of New Zealand team whilst giving us the chance to mitigate this threat through investigations and taking the necessary action.

Keeping us in the dark meant that they saved their own players but didn't give a rats *** about what we'd be left to deal with. In times like this, cooperation can save lives.

 

[ManFan]

So should New Zealand have stayed in Pakistan and risked the safety of its players because the people of Pakistan are under risk as well

OR

should they have taken Pakistanis with them to New Zealand to save them from a potential terrorist attack?

They can’t leave without getting out of the hotel and exposing themselves to the perceived danger.

So, it doesn’t make sense one way or another. Either there was a threat or there wasn’t.

If there was, you can’t leave without endangering the players.

If there wasn’t, taking the players back to the hotel made little sense.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Here is one and it was a pretty poor comment.

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Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today??? -- Hafeez


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So it seems Hafeez wanted some attack to happen to prove that threat was real. These players should stay away from Tweeter.

He didn't say anything wrong. The security was clearly ok and trustworthy to get them out of the country. The security forces must have been severely demoralised by the actions of the Kiwis and deserve full credit for maintaining their composure.

The bolded is not remotely like anything Hafeez said. You should be ashamed of making such slanderous and false insinuations to try to prove a point.

 

[Buffet]

Don't blame players, blame our government: Mitchell McClenaghan to Hafeez

Come now bro. This has a bad taste to it... Don't blame the players or the organisation[/B]... blame our government. They have only acted on the advice they have received. I'm absolutely certain these young men - all wanting to prove themselves wanted to play. they had no choice," tweeted McClenaghan.

On Saturday, Hafeez had taken a dig at New Zealand Cricket (NZC) for postponing their tour of Pakistan citing security threats. "Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today???" tweeted Hafeez.


https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/dont-blame-players-blame-government-020932365.html

 

[Buffet]

He didn't say anything wrong. The security was clearly ok and trustworthy to get them out of the country. The security forces must have been severely demoralised by the actions of the Kiwis and deserve full credit for maintaining their composure.

The bolded is not remotely like anything Hafeez said. You should be ashamed of making such slanderous and false insinuations to try to prove a point.

I can't help you with the comprehension if you think the comment was not offensive.

 

[ManFan]

Don't blame players, blame our government: Mitchell McClenaghan to Hafeez

Come now bro. This has a bad taste to it... Don't blame the players or the organisation... blame our government. They have only acted on the advice they have received. I'm absolutely certain these young men - all wanting to prove themselves wanted to play. they had no choice," tweeted McClenaghan.

On Saturday, Hafeez had taken a dig at New Zealand Cricket (NZC) for postponing their tour of Pakistan citing security threats. "Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today???" tweeted Hafeez.


https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/dont-blame-players-blame-government-020932365.html

Blaming the government would result in further backlash from everyday NZ citizens.

So, it seems the only politically correct way for Pakistanis to react is to stay quiet and accept what comes their way.

 

[Buffet]

So should New Zealand have stayed in Pakistan and risked the safety of its players because the people of Pakistan are under risk as well

OR

should they have taken Pakistanis with them to New Zealand to save them from a potential terrorist attack?

I don't think these two options exist, but the third option was there to share the details in case the Pakistani team or spectators were in danger as well. Not sharing due to whatever restrictions are fine, but that option did exist.

 

[Buffet]

Blaming the government would result in further backlash from everyday NZ citizens.

So, it seems the only politically correct way for Pakistanis to react is to stay quiet and accept what comes their way.

There is no way NZ cricket should be blamed here. Every single cricket team will do the same as what NZ team did.

Blaming the NZ government will be far more appropriate. The direction came from Government and if there is blame then blame should be assigned to the government.

 

[Savak]

Even the normally composed WK pointed out that NZ by refusing to share any intelligence with the Pakistani authorities showed an arrogant condescending attitude that the lives of their players, officials was far more important than the lives of the Pakistani security forces, players, officials.

 

[Rana]

I don't think these two options exist, but the third option was there to share the details in case the Pakistani team or spectators were in danger as well. Not sharing due to whatever restrictions are fine, but that option did exist.

Exactly. There was a bomb threat apparently. A bomb does not explode targeting a certain type of people, it will harm anyone in its capacity to do so. It was the duty of NZ security officials to alert the Pakistanis of a potential bomb

 

[ManFan]

There is no way NZ cricket should be blamed here. Every single cricket team will do the same as what NZ team did.

Blaming the NZ government will be far more appropriate. The direction came from Government and if there is blame then blame should be assigned to the government.

NZ cricket has part of the blame because they did not share the information with the PCB. That is unprofessional and not how you treat a business partner, who is in fact hosting you and primarily responsible for your protection and exit.

Either way you look at it, NZ cricket definitely comes across as unprofessional.

 

[Slim]

Looks like some saffron brothers are out of the woodwork in full force. One would understand - its a time for utter jubilation for them. Only Pakistanis’s misery makes them.

Keep on making such threads. Cheers!

 

[IcedCoffee]

There is no way NZ cricket should be blamed here. Every single cricket team will do the same as what NZ team did.

Blaming the NZ government will be far more appropriate. The direction came from Government and if there is blame then blame should be assigned to the government.

Then share the intel with the relevant authorities in Pak. Until that happens, be prepared to hear more backhanded remarks that are clearly warranted given the gravity of damage NZC did to PAK cricket.

 

[Saj]

Even the normally composed WK pointed out that NZ by refusing to share any intelligence with the Pakistani authorities showed an arrogant condescending attitude that the lives of their players, officials was far more important than the lives of the Pakistani security forces, players, officials.

Wasim Khan today "If there was a threat then surely that threat is also open to the civilians of Pakistan. So are we saying that the lives of the civilians in Pakistan are any less important or that the threat only applies to sportspeople. What we are saying is share that information lets work collectively as a cricket family, lets find a solution and see if we can mitigate because at the moment there is an inequality and that inequality is that in some cases it’s one rule for one and another rule for others and that has to stop. This has hit us very hard, the consequence of this are going to be far-reaching, financially and cricket-wise and the abruptness of how this happened, you can understand the emotions."

 

[Savak]

Reminds me of the scene Lagaan where the loyal servant to the British who has served them for so long to the point where he speaks, dresses and thinks like them is mistreated very badly at the end and eventually he is reminded that no matter how well he speaks, thinks, dresses like them he will still be considered third grade sub human beneath gora looking people

 

[Buffet]

NZ cricket has part of the blame because they did not share the information with the PCB. That is unprofessional and not how you treat a business partner, who is in fact hosting you and primarily responsible for your protection and exit.

Either way you look at it, NZ cricket definitely comes across as unprofessional.

It will be surprising if cricketers knew the exact details of the threat.

 

[Buffet]

Exactly. There was a bomb threat apparently. A bomb does not explode targeting a certain type of people, it will harm anyone in its capacity to do so. It was the duty of NZ security officials to alert the Pakistanis of a potential bomb

+1

I suspect there was a direct threat to the NZ team. At least that's what I read, but many civilians and even the Pakistani team could have been in danger. NZ could be under 5 eye or whatever restriction, but not sharing definitely put civilian and Pakistani players in danger.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Reminds me of the scene Lagaan where the loyal servant to the British who has served them for so long to the point where he speaks, dresses and thinks like them is mistreated very badly at the end and eventually he is reminded that no matter how well he speaks, thinks, dresses like them he will still be considered third grade sub human beneath gora looking people

100000%

I haven't seen this film but your description is exactly what happened.

They even made the Pakistanis escort them back to the airport without telling them what was going on. The security forces were required to protect the kiwis yet the kiwis didn't have the decency to tell them what from.

unforgiveable.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I can't help you with the comprehension if you think the comment was not offensive.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think Hafeez' post was that bad.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Any anger Pakistani cricketers feel is justified. What NZ did was incredibly disrespectful, there is no ifs and buts.

 

[Savak]

+1

I suspect there was a direct threat to the NZ team. At least that's what I read, but many civilians and even the Pakistani team could have been in danger. NZ could be under 5 eye or whatever restriction, but not sharing definitely put civilian and Pakistani players in danger.

There was apparently a bomb threat to the NZ team from the hotel to the distance from the hotel to the ground. But they still chose to stay in the hotel for 24 hours after cancelling the tour? Were the people staying in the hotel both Pakistani, Foreign nationals, Pakistani civilians, security forces immune to this bomb?

The PCB needs to demand some very hard answers from the NZCB. The Pakistani govt needs to demand some very hard answers from the NZ govt and if the answers are unsatisfactory then the full wrath and Fury of the nation must be imposed

 

[ramki]

I watched the full press conference and at no point did he lose his cool.

Were you watching the right press conference?

Normally, his conferences and statements are professional. Hopeful. To the point. In this case, it had more resentment towards NZC and self-pity. I was surprised to see that.

 

[ramki]

100000%

I haven't seen this film but your description is exactly what happened.

They even made the Pakistanis escort them back to the airport without telling them what was going on. The security forces were required to protect the kiwis yet the kiwis didn't have the decency to tell them what from.

unforgiveable.

Indeed. Western hypocrisy towards people of color they are indebted has no bounds.

Just look at what Americans did to their translators in Iraq and Afghanistan. The doctor who helped them with DNA sample of OBL - they just left him to rot in Pakistani prisons. Abominable.

 

[TheSultan]

Wasim Khan today "If there was a threat then surely that threat is also open to the civilians of Pakistan. So are we saying that the lives of the civilians in Pakistan are any less important or that the threat only applies to sportspeople. What we are saying is share that information lets work collectively as a cricket family, lets find a solution and see if we can mitigate because at the moment there is an inequality and that inequality is that in some cases it’s one rule for one and another rule for others and that has to stop. This has hit us very hard, the consequence of this are going to be far-reaching, financially and cricket-wise and the abruptness of how this happened, you can understand the emotions."

That is exactly the right argument to make.

Very well said by Wasim Khan

 

[globalcitizen]

Wasim Khan today "If there was a threat then surely that threat is also open to the civilians of Pakistan. So are we saying that the lives of the civilians in Pakistan are any less important or that the threat only applies to sportspeople. What we are saying is share that information lets work collectively as a cricket family, lets find a solution and see if we can mitigate because at the moment there is an inequality and that inequality is that in some cases it’s one rule for one and another rule for others and that has to stop. This has hit us very hard, the consequence of this are going to be far-reaching, financially and cricket-wise and the abruptness of how this happened, you can understand the emotions."

As per what I read, NZ government has made it clear that The threat was specifically to NZ cricket team and not general public. So obviously there is no danger to others once NZ leave the country and their action saved everyone?

 

[MenInG]

As per what I read, NZ government has made it clear that The threat was specifically to NZ cricket team and not general public. So obviously there is no danger to others once NZ leave the country and their action saved everyone?

So the threat was so sophisticated that it would have somehow ignored the security personnel, bus drivers, hotel staff etc and somehow only effected the NZ squad?

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

I can't help you with the comprehension if you think the comment was not offensive.

Umm it was supposed to be offensive. Why the NZ players should get offended by it to begin with is there problem not Hafeez’s.

And this whole blame the victim here is typical white privilege we see in the west. NZ flat out crapped on our cricket but we should watch our tone.

 

[Technics 1210]

The West has nothing to gain from a cancelled cricket series in Pakistan, absolutley nothing. We know the West is great at cooking up false flags etc, but 3 ODI and 5 T20s, is well an truly beneath them.

 

[moghul]

I understand how hurtful this situation is for whole lot of Pakistanis and especially the cricket fans.

However, except for rare few, I am saddened to see the emotional and unprofessional outrage by Pakistani cricketers (Inzy, Raja, Akshtar) at NZC board.

Even the composed Wazim Khan seems to have lost his cool in today's statement.

I do not know how NZC could have handled this better. If they were not shared the threat and only the govt itself decided at a much higher level, how can we all blame NZC?

But I do know that the statesmen of Pakistani cricket are not handling this better. This is not mano-a-mano between individual cricket players. The rants and threats to withdraw from WT20 and other bilateral series is not helping.

At this point, these reactions are only making a western cricket board more wary in dealing with PCB.

Having been in Western countries for 25 years, I know that countries like Canada/New Zealand/Ireland/Australia handle public threats very very conservatively, compared to, say France or South Africa.

The only recourse is to raise a complaint against NZC and find a new protocol on how to handle such forfeitures.

Junaid said it best in his new thread.

Can you please explain where did Waseem KHan lose his cool ? or if you can't, please correct your statement, thanks

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

The West has nothing to gain from a cancelled cricket series in Pakistan, absolutley nothing. We know the West is great at cooking up false flags etc, but 3 ODI and 5 T20s, is well an truly beneath them.

You think this is about 1 series? I am sorry you think the world is so black and white

 

[Gilly]

So the threat was so sophisticated that it would have somehow ignored the security personnel, bus drivers, hotel staff etc and somehow only effected the NZ squad?

I did read that NZ notified the PCB immediately of the threat, but there are so many different stories going around at the moment it seems nobody knows the time line of events.

 

[Technics 1210]

You think this is about 1 series? I am sorry you think the world is so black and white

So the 5 eyes, along with ECB and NZC security teams clear respective cricket tours only to share intel with NZC at the 11th hour to bail? Yeah right.

I'm saying if this was the work of the West, they'd aim higher than 2 cricket tours which were cleared from a security perspective at all levels.

Put simply : If the West want to avenge their humiliation in Afghanistan then there are better ways to do it than cancelling a cricket tour. Heck, the cancellation isn't even front page, middle page, news in the West - so hardly effective if the West want to humiliate Pakistan globally by cancelling a cricket tour!

 

[Major]

What i find annoying was that majority of these players cant utter a word in english nor type it.

It is basically typed words by the marketing companies that handle their account or their manager.

And its funny watching umar akmal and shadab come up with words. Call them for a motm presentarion and they cant even say a word.

I habe no issue with them talking in urdu, but atleast if you are gonna make a social media postatleast be realistic and show that it is you.

 

[Major]

Hafeez pointed out a very valid point. He thanked our security for getting them safe and sound to where they needed to go.

Yes, the same route was used. It does show that if New Zealand shared their intelligence, we could have used an alternate route to get them to where they needed to be in a safer manner.

Umm tbh, no.

Kashmir highway takes u straight to the airport, no traffix lights.

For stadium they use another route

 

[globalcitizen]

So the threat was so sophisticated that it would have somehow ignored the security personnel, bus drivers, hotel staff etc and somehow only effected the NZ squad?

I think you can answer your own question. The target was NZ cricket team and rest of them are collateral damage. Similar to Srilanka attack, target was them not the people guarding them, but everyone suffers

Terrorists say they have a ideology but in reality end up hurting their own. Cowards.

We should applaud NZ decision here because they were valuing everyone life as equal.

 

[Ashmal]

What i find annoying was that majority of these players cant utter a word in english nor type it.

It is basically typed words by the marketing companies that handle their account or their manager.

And its funny watching umar akmal and shadab come up with words. Call them for a motm presentarion and they cant even say a word.

I habe no issue with them talking in urdu, but atleast if you are gonna make a social media postatleast be realistic and show that it is you.

Almost all sportsmen have their SM accounts handled by their PR team irrespective of their English speaking skills.......what's your problem if these guys do it too

 

[Afhan Ali]

What i find annoying was that majority of these players cant utter a word in english nor type it.

It is basically typed words by the marketing companies that handle their account or their manager.

And its funny watching umar akmal and shadab come up with words. Call them for a motm presentarion and they cant even say a word.

I habe no issue with them talking in urdu, but atleast if you are gonna make a social media postatleast be realistic and show that it is you.

Lol. You mostly criticize everything related to Pakistan or it's players.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Lol. You mostly criticize everything related to Pakistan or it's players.

Unless it's Misbah

 

[wajid]

Umm tbh, no.

Kashmir highway takes u straight to the airport, no traffix lights.

For stadium they use another route

There are other routes to airport. I found it myself one night and uncle google maps was up to the task

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I understand how hurtful this situation is for whole lot of Pakistanis and especially the cricket fans.

However, except for rare few, I am saddened to see the emotional and unprofessional outrage by Pakistani cricketers (Inzy, Raja, Akshtar) at NZC board.

Even the composed Wazim Khan seems to have lost his cool in today's statement.

I do not know how NZC could have handled this better. If they were not shared the threat and only the govt itself decided at a much higher level, how can we all blame NZC?

But I do know that the statesmen of Pakistani cricket are not handling this better. This is not mano-a-mano between individual cricket players. The rants and threats to withdraw from WT20 and other bilateral series is not helping.

At this point, these reactions are only making a western cricket board more wary in dealing with PCB.

Having been in Western countries for 25 years, I know that countries like Canada/New Zealand/Ireland/Australia handle public threats very very conservatively, compared to, say France or South Africa.

The only recourse is to raise a complaint against NZC and find a new protocol on how to handle such forfeitures.

Junaid said it best in his new thread.

And when were they EVER able to handle this better?

Many, many of our national level cricketers come from illiterate backgrounds, they are not necessarily smart, witty, wise and intelligent at many venues. Many don’t understand the concept of diplomacy and patiently play the long game, and wait for the right moment to strike back.

These are deyhati type players brought up in street cricket environments where training on emotional control is none existent.

I know Ramiz has some formal education and a good background too but he is not the smartest and wisest in the lot either.

You could clearly sense from his commentary and YT channel that he isn’t equipped with the skill of becoming a high level leader who has a long vision to see the future, and plan accordingly.

Most of his stuff can be labeled as a mild knee jerk reaction.
However, I do give credit to his knee jerk reaction when he kicked out Misbah n Waqar.
Looks like, sometimes knee jerk reactions is exactly what we need to have.

 

[OMB]

There are other routes to airport. I found it myself one night and uncle google maps was up to the task

problem with google is that it is up to the task for everyone including the threat makers.

 

[Itachi]

problem with google is that it is up to the task for everyone including the threat makers.

I don't trust Google maps. In my state, it shows roads which are non existent.

 

[Mainul]

Don't blame players, blame our government: Mitchell McClenaghan to Hafeez

Come now bro. This has a bad taste to it... Don't blame the players or the organisation[/B]... blame our government. They have only acted on the advice they have received. I'm absolutely certain these young men - all wanting to prove themselves wanted to play. they had no choice," tweeted McClenaghan.

On Saturday, Hafeez had taken a dig at New Zealand Cricket (NZC) for postponing their tour of Pakistan citing security threats. "Thanks to the secutity of pakistan forces to make arrangements to [MENTION=5628]blackcap[/MENTION]S to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today???" tweeted Hafeez.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/dont-blame-players-blame-government-020932365.html

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I see no offense here. That was an intelligent point raised by Hafeez. I don't see any dig, any vulger or aggressive words here.
Pakistani players and their authority have full rights to react. But the direction of reaction should be towards NZ government not the cricket board. The way they did it was absolutely unacceptable. It was a crime.

 

[OMB]

My 2 cents. Pakistan players and officials are frustrated and upset now so the outbursts will happen now.

This reaction would happen in any nation including England or India or anywhere else. In Pakistan it is more critical as this and the England tour were billed as the restarting of proper cricket again.
There is no need and no way to muzzle voices even if it were the right approach.

About the future now. It is not the end of the world and cricket is not dying.
My personal opinion is that I feel this is how it will play out in the end.

There will be immense pressure mounting on New Zealand to prove their credible threat. But even if New Zealand were to share the details tomorrow, rest assured that the details will not be known to the public.

As it happens so often, the rhetoric will die down as everyone has vented their anger and then time for diplomacy will kick in. One day a statement will be issued saying that New Zealand has shared the specific details of the credible threat and that it has been agreed for both the countries to have a future tour to Pakistan at a suitable date. It might be in a few months time. I dont believe it will be 5 or 10 years of cricketing wilderness again.

So yes, strong posturing from Pakistan is required to create this pressure on New Zealand. But I dont mean trolling on NZ social media as it has already strained the relations between New Zealand and Pakistan cricketing fraternity.

 

[Gilly]

I guess in the future when countries do a security assessment they will remember the reaction of Pakistan when a country received a threat and wanted to recall their players. This will have a negative effect on future tours. I know very little about the threat that NZC were told about but I understand that they had a plan in place which they activated when informed of the threat.

 

[wrongun]

So should New Zealand have stayed in Pakistan and risked the safety of its players because the people of Pakistan are under risk as well

OR

should they have taken Pakistanis with them to New Zealand to save them from a potential terrorist attack?

Actually by leaving NZ thwarted the attack (if any), thus saving any Pakistani's from harm incurred in the attack at all. Staying in the face of it would have placed everyone at risk of the attack going forward. But logic is foreign to some posters.

 

[wrongun]

My 2 cents. Pakistan players and officials are frustrated and upset now so the outbursts will happen now.

This reaction would happen in any nation including England or India or anywhere else. In Pakistan it is more critical as this and the England tour were billed as the restarting of proper cricket again.
There is no need and no way to muzzle voices even if it were the right approach.

About the future now. It is not the end of the world and cricket is not dying.
My personal opinion is that I feel this is how it will play out in the end.

There will be immense pressure mounting on New Zealand to prove their credible threat. But even if New Zealand were to share the details tomorrow, rest assured that the details will not be known to the public.

As it happens so often, the rhetoric will die down as everyone has vented their anger and then time for diplomacy will kick in. One day a statement will be issued saying that New Zealand has shared the specific details of the credible threat and that it has been agreed for both the countries to have a future tour to Pakistan at a suitable date. It might be in a few months time. I dont believe it will be 5 or 10 years of cricketing wilderness again.

So yes, strong posturing from Pakistan is required to create this pressure on New Zealand. But I dont mean trolling on NZ social media as it has already strained the relations between New Zealand and Pakistan cricketing fraternity.

It's unlikely the nature of the threat will be disclosed as that could tip off the organisers to exactly what they learned & the nature of the leak- placing the source at great risk. If there is an intelligence asset involved, why would they ever place it at any risk of exposure by releasing information?

 

[Energy]

I guess in the future when countries do a security assessment they will remember the reaction of Pakistan when a country received a threat and wanted to recall their players. This will have a negative effect on future tours. I know very little about the threat that NZC were told about but I understand that they had a plan in place which they activated when informed of the threat.

Lol at plan and activation being carried out by NZC.

The security was provided by Pakistan, the planning/safety/travel/infrastructure was provided by Pakistan. All tour related activities were carried out Pakistani security personnel. Even to 'activate' NZC's mega escape plan, they relied on Pakistani security to carry them back on their lap.

So all what NZC have done, is do unilateral damage to a gracious host.

 

[Gullycricket]

Actually by leaving NZ thwarted the attack (if any), thus saving any Pakistani's from harm incurred in the attack at all. Staying in the face of it would have placed everyone at risk of the attack going forward. But logic is foreign to some posters.

And by coming here they destroyed all efforts PCb had made to revive cricket. I guess soon we will see arguments on how we should thank NZ

 

[Gilly]

Lol at plan and activation being carried out by NZC.

The security was provided by Pakistan, the planning/safety/travel/infrastructure was provided by Pakistan. All tour related activities were carried out Pakistani security personnel. Even to 'activate' NZC's mega escape plan, they relied on Pakistani security to carry them back on their lap.

So all what NZC have done, is do unilateral damage to a gracious host.

I dont think anyone thinks any different about Pakistan after this, Pakistan didnt do anything wrong or make any mistakes. There is no damage to Pakistan.

 

[Itachi]

Considering the reaction of the Pakistan supporters with respect to comment from hafeez, I am starting to understand why Pakistanis have so much drama in their boards.

You should make a comment while analyzing the overall sentiment of the crowd. While trying to prove yourself as "right" will alienate people rather than bringing them closer.

You shouldn't care only when you don't need validation from others. But in order to held cricket in Pakistan and teams actually playing there, you will require validation from those very people.

Diplomacy goes a long way.

It seems like neither Pakistani crowd, nor its administration nor its current/former players have an ounce of idea about how important it is.

 

[Itachi]

I dont think anyone thinks any different about Pakistan after this, Pakistan didnt do anything wrong or make any mistakes. There is no damage to Pakistan.

The backslash from Pakistani players might.

 

[Zaz]

I dont think anyone thinks any different about Pakistan after this, Pakistan didnt do anything wrong or make any mistakes. There is no damage to Pakistan.

So why are england reviewing their tour which is up in the air now if their is no damage to pakistan cricket?

 

[Gilly]

So why are england reviewing their tour which is up in the air now if their is no damage to pakistan cricket?

Because if there is an attack on any cricket nation touring Pakistan then there would be damage to Pakistan cricket.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

The way Pakistani players were treated in NZ, I am not surprised.

 

[JattMaula]

So why are england reviewing their tour which is up in the air now if their is no damage to pakistan cricket?

Sometimes you do everything right but circumstances are just not right.

World is not fair. And 9/11/21 means different things to different people.

Pakistan did what they could, NZ did what had to and ECB is doing what they must.

 

[MenInG]

DUBAI: New Zealand’s regular captain Kane Williamson expressed disappointment over his country’s decision to cancel the Pakistan tour just minutes before the toss for the first ODI at Pindi Cricket Stadium citing security threats.

Williamson, who is currently here to participate in the remaining Indian Premier League (IPL), said in a statement that the cancelation of the Pakistan tour was a ‘real shame’.

“I don’t know the details of yesterday. It was a sudden call, but obviously, a real shame. Cricket in Pakistan is an amazing thing and so well supported. There is so much passion there and I think the guys will be gutted to not have started and playing the whole series. But I am not sure of the details since I am in Dubai for the IPL. I will find out a bit more about it over the next few days,” Williamson told in a statement given to Indian media.

“I certainly hope not. You want to be playing the game in all countries. It is an international game and there is so much passion for it around the world, particularly in Pakistan. It was really exciting to see the series go back there and I know our team was looking forward to it. Players’ safety is paramount and when you hear messages going through from the government, it is certainly above the players’ heads,

“They were obviously over there, ready to go to the ground. It is a sudden thing that happened. I certainly hope there is no lasting impact from it because it is a special place for cricket to be and there have been a lot of strides forward to see cricket go back into Pakistan and play there safely. We have seen that happen on a number of occasions, so hopefully, there is plenty more cricket there to come,” he was quoted adding to his statement.

It is pertinent to mention here that New Zealand called off the Pakistan tour just minutes before the first ODI and called back their team immediately citing security threats.

ARY

 

[JattMaula]

DUBAI: New Zealand’s regular captain Kane Williamson expressed disappointment over his country’s decision to cancel the Pakistan tour just minutes before the toss for the first ODI at Pindi Cricket Stadium citing security threats.

Williamson, who is currently here to participate in the remaining Indian Premier League (IPL), said in a statement that the cancelation of the Pakistan tour was a ‘real shame’.

“I don’t know the details of yesterday. It was a sudden call, but obviously, a real shame. Cricket in Pakistan is an amazing thing and so well supported. There is so much passion there and I think the guys will be gutted to not have started and playing the whole series. But I am not sure of the details since I am in Dubai for the IPL. I will find out a bit more about it over the next few days,” Williamson told in a statement given to Indian media.

“I certainly hope not. You want to be playing the game in all countries. It is an international game and there is so much passion for it around the world, particularly in Pakistan. It was really exciting to see the series go back there and I know our team was looking forward to it. Players’ safety is paramount and when you hear messages going through from the government, it is certainly above the players’ heads,

“They were obviously over there, ready to go to the ground. It is a sudden thing that happened. I certainly hope there is no lasting impact from it because it is a special place for cricket to be and there have been a lot of strides forward to see cricket go back into Pakistan and play there safely. We have seen that happen on a number of occasions, so hopefully, there is plenty more cricket there to come,” he was quoted adding to his statement.

It is pertinent to mention here that New Zealand called off the Pakistan tour just minutes before the first ODI and called back their team immediately citing security threats.

ARY

This is how you express yourself to media. Despite not being in the know he doesn't offend anyone.