Pakistani media claims no casualties, Indian media claims 300 terrorists killed. Who do YOU believe?

[slipcatch]

Just the fact that Indian planes entered Pakistan airspace and dropped a bomb on Pakistan soil as confirmed by your military spokesman is a source of embarrassment for the Pakistani army and its supporters.

Glad that you are forced to change your narrative now from killing to 300 to drop a bomb on Pakistani soil.

I am happy that finally your patriotism lasted 3-4 minutes, I am sure most Indian patriots are frustrated about lasting only 2 minutes.

 

[Syed1]

Yes we did allow them to go back. As they had not struck anywhere there was no reason to take them down and further escalate the situation. We did allow them to return for that reason.

Plane should have been shot down, but it would have escalated to all out war. Since India would have claimed that plane mistakenly crossed LoC and hit no targets but Pak shot it.


Just scaring them away was fine, because India's mission was total failure.

 

[Sachin136]

They weren't deep... do you know where Bala Kote is? They were sent back as soon as they crossed the line off control.... Obviously the Reham Khan of PP will have the time of her life on this.

Balakot (KPK), not Bala Kote, according to most reports..

 

[slipcatch]

After India’s Strike on Pakistan, Both Sides Leave Room for De-escalation

The view that little had been damaged was supported by military analysts and two Western security officials, who said that any militant training areas at the site, in the Pakistani province of Khyber-Pakhtunkwha, had long since packed up or dispersed. (Earlier reports had placed the attack in the Pakistani side of Kashmir, which is nearby.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/world/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-airstrikes.html

 

[slipcatch]

Balakot (KPK), not Bala Kote, according to most reports..

From feeling pity for you I am started to feel sorry.

How can you come here debate for and support your country like a true online soldier when you can't get the simple geography correct?

C'mon soldier, step up your game. You are in enemy territory, you can't be looking like a fool.

 

[BlackThunder]

Glad that you are forced to change your narrative now from killing to 300 to drop a bomb on Pakistani soil.

I am happy that finally your patriotism lasted 3-4 minutes, I am sure most Indian patriots are frustrated about lasting only 2 minutes.

I find the excuse by your defence minister that your army couldn't reponse on time due to darkness of the night quite lame and timid.

https://youtu.be/JG1V-HT7qXo

 

[slipcatch]

I find the excuse by your defence minister that your army couldn't reponse on time due to darkness of the night quite lame and timid.

https://youtu.be/JG1V-HT7qXo

I do not know how well you understand urdu.

But it shows your naivety.

It shows that you would believe any narrative thrown at you by radicalized extremists nationalists hindu government.

It shows that your hyper-pseudo-patriotism would let you ignore the actual facts.

It also show that you are easily clicked bated, be careful, many Indians were caught trying to scam Canadian recently from India, just google it.

But let me translate what he had said.

"It was dark and we could not determined what was the damage from the bomb dropped "

He never in that video you presented said, "it was dark and we couldn't respond".

Seriously, it is a friendly advice, stop believing everything you read on the internet and stop embarrassing yourself on a forum where mostly people are from a country that your country consider an enemy.

Starting to really feel sorry for your ego.

 

[90MPH]

I find the excuse by your defence minister that your army couldn't reponse on time due to darkness of the night quite lame and timid.

https://youtu.be/JG1V-HT7qXo

I would be more embarrassed if my country made a military strike that achieved nothing strategically except making ** claims that we killed 300 terrorists without even 1 major world news outlet willing to back it up.

Hey but at least it’s a big win for Mr Modi, right?

 

[WebGuru]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bigots - Please don't turn India to a Joke? <a href="https://t.co/l5utLU09XX">https://t.co/l5utLU09XX</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/AltNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AltNews</a></p>— Ashok Swain (@ashoswai) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1100316155904835585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[barah_admi]

Seeing as the Indian and Pakistani sides are claiming different things, my question to Pakistani posters is what do they honestly believe? Do they even think that there were JeM terrorists in Balakot? Do they think Pakistani media is falsifying reports or do they think it's the Indian side that's doing it or both?

The one group which released pictures of the attack. Which one was that again?

Anyway, far more important is ho Pakistan reacts to this.

 

[Adijazz1706]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bigots - Please don't turn India to a Joke? <a href="https://t.co/l5utLU09XX">https://t.co/l5utLU09XX</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/AltNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AltNews</a></p>— Ashok Swain (@ashoswai) <a href="https://twitter.com/ashoswai/status/1100316155904835585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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ROFL ) What a joke, maybe they can put up the 1971 surrender photo as proof that Pakistan has surrendered Kashmir or something

 

[ahmedzee]

It is so sad that in India, anti pakistan hyteria will win you elections. That is exactly what is happening. As Afridi said, educated people don't do these things. They (indians) should not believe everything the govt and media says. IF you want all the details, check out Pakistan army's statement (with proofs).

A nation doesn't last long with so much hatred in them.

 

[BlackThunder]

ROFL ) What a joke, maybe they can put up the 1971 surrender photo as proof that Pakistan has surrendered Kashmir or something

What is this surrender you speak about again. Surely Pakistan army didn't surrender did they?

 

[Sachin136]

It is so sad that in India, anti pakistan hyteria will win you elections. That is exactly what is happening. As Afridi said, educated people don't do these things. They (indians) should not believe everything the govt and media says. IF you want all the details, check out Pakistan army's statement (with proofs).

A nation doesn't last long with so much hatred in them.

So you think the Pulwama attack and this strike was all a master plan just to get an edge in the elections? That has to be one of the most elaborate plans I've ever seen. And glad that the JeM and PAF collaborated with Modi to make it work.

 

[ahmedzee]

So you think the Pulwama attack and this strike was all a master plan just to get an edge in the elections? That has to be one of the most elaborate plans I've ever seen. And glad that the JeM and PAF collaborated with Modi to make it work.

I personally believe, Pulwama was an actual terrorist attack, an attack that India is responsible for. It enable a Kashmiri youth who suffered years of torture from Indian army to attack back at them.

In response, this whole fiasco of dropping payload (and stating that Indian army killed 300 terrorist as if they're penguins in a huddle) is pure **. Wait until modi claims that "we did surgical strike" and all and go on to get votes for this only.

Be honest, who would you vote for, someone who wants to have peace with Pakistan, or someone who wants to have war. 99.99% indians would say "someone who wants to have war". BE HONEST!!

 

[Mamoon]

They weren't deep... do you know where Bala Kote is? They were sent back as soon as they crossed the line off control.... Obviously the Reham Khan of PP will have the time of her life on this.

If you manage to overcome the Pakistani propaganda, you will understand.

Balakot is 90 mins drive away from Abbottabad, which is nothing for a fighter jet.

The Indian jets invaded our airspace and left unscathed. This made Pakistan look weak and there are no two ways about it.

 

[90MPH]

It is so sad that in India, anti pakistan hyteria will win you elections. That is exactly what is happening. As Afridi said, educated people don't do these things. They (indians) should not believe everything the govt and media says. IF you want all the details, check out Pakistan army's statement (with proofs).

A nation doesn't last long with so much hatred in them.

Exactly, that’s why I said this is a massive win for Modi politically speaking.

Even some Indians on twitter know this attack has achieved absolutely nothing militarily but it’s given Those those that wanted a response something to cheer on.

Divert attention away from the fact that it was an Indian Kashmiri that perpetrated the attack, that the attack was planned and executed in India.

Instead focus on the western border and say we killed 6 times in revenge on what did to us . And with a media machine to back it up from every level.

From that angle Mr Modi is a very clever guy, he knows the system and mentality and what works so you have to give him and his government credit on how can dupe so many people.

 

[Syed1]

If you manage to overcome the Pakistani propaganda, you will understand.

Balakot is 90 mins drive away from Abbottabad, which is nothing for a fighter jet.

The Indian jets invaded our airspace and left unscathed. This made Pakistan look weak and there are no two ways about it.

I have better things to do than to engage with a "Pakistani" who is celebrating while the enemy has declared war.

 

[Sachin136]

I personally believe, Pulwama was an actual terrorist attack, an attack that India is responsible for. It enable a Kashmiri youth who suffered years of torture from Indian army to attack back at them.

In response, this whole fiasco of dropping payload (and stating that Indian army killed 300 terrorist as if they're penguins in a huddle) is pure **. Wait until modi claims that "we did surgical strike" and all and go on to get votes for this only.

Be honest, who would you vote for, someone who wants to have peace with Pakistan, or someone who wants to have war. 99.99% indians would say "someone who wants to have war". BE HONEST!!

Even a terrorist organization took responsibility for the attack, so I'm not sure why people here are so insistent on blaming India. There is no point sympathizing with terrorists. The sooner people learn that the better.

According to his father (who raised his other son to also be a militant, so I'm not sure how truthful he is), he was asked to rub his nose of the ground. Probably because he was pelting stones or something like that. That provoked him to become a suicide bomber?

No one wants an outright war. But retaliation for the attack is different.

 

[IMMY69]

The media on both sides is lying. However, the fact is that Indian fighter jets were deep in our territory and were able to go back to their country unscathed.

They could not have done that in a country with a strong defense. We are only good for running our mouths and are all talk.

It is hilarious how people are focusing on how India is lying about dropping a bomb and doing damage, but that doesn’t even matter.

The pertinent point here is that we allowed them to go back to India unscathed.

That is incorrect.

 

[90MPH]

If you manage to overcome the Pakistani propaganda, you will understand.

Balakot is 90 mins drive away from Abbottabad, which is nothing for a fighter jet.

The Indian jets invaded our airspace and left unscathed. This made Pakistan look weak and there are no two ways about it.

Fine they did but what did they achieve militarily or strategically ? Do you believe that “300 were killed”.

The answer is absolutely nothing of course but a false sense of chest beating and bravado.

But you always want to give them credit right. Even Dr Bassim can see the birds from the sky but you may never see them.

 

[IMMY69]

If you manage to overcome the Pakistani propaganda, you will understand.

Balakot is 90 mins drive away from Abbottabad, which is nothing for a fighter jet.

The Indian jets invaded our airspace and left unscathed. This made Pakistan look weak and there are no two ways about it.

Wrong again...
If this is the case then the UK, the USA, Japan, even Russia have looked like fools on many many occasions and this is recent history not something that occurred during World War 2

 

[JaDed]

Fine they did but what did they achieve militarily or strategically ? Do you believe that “300 were killed”.

The answer is absolutely nothing of course but a false sense of chest beating and bravado.

But you always want to give them credit right. Even Dr Bassim can see the birds from the sky but you may never see them.

IAF OR Defense ministry hasn't claimed 300, tbf they have not claimed any number..

 

[Syed1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heavy shelling reported from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kotli?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kotli</a> across the LoC as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a>-<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> tensions escalate. Video shared by a local resident a while ago. <a href="https://t.co/1cotkOGMjN">pic.twitter.com/1cotkOGMjN</a></p>— Fahad Shah (@pzfahad) <a href="https://twitter.com/pzfahad/status/1100411166382219265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Shelling on LoC.... Time and place of our choosing.... more to come.

 

[rhony]

People are missing THE point. Why are Pakistanis caring if a bunch of terrorists get killed or not.

I came to your house, opened the fridge, threw away rotten cheese. You are questioning if I really threw the rotten cheese. Who cares? This is information war. As long as I came to your house, opened the fridge, rest is immaterial. I just showed you my ability that I can enter your house and get back unharmed. I just debunked your theory that any incursion will warrant a full scale nuclear war. The rotten cheese is immaterial if we believe Phulwama had other reasons. I came to.your house and opened the fridge even though I didn't show you any proof that your rotten cheese is the cause of my strife. That's brazen and any argument about rotten cheese doesn't matter.

 

[Rana]

Guys, please debate in a civil and respectful manner. You are free to express your views but no personal, religious or racist attacks will be tolerated on this forum.

I hope that you all appreciate this request.

 

[Sachin136]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heavy shelling reported from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kotli?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kotli</a> across the LoC as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a>-<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> tensions escalate. Video shared by a local resident a while ago. <a href="https://t.co/1cotkOGMjN">pic.twitter.com/1cotkOGMjN</a></p>— Fahad Shah (@pzfahad) <a href="https://twitter.com/pzfahad/status/1100411166382219265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Shelling on LoC.... Time and place of our choosing.... more to come.

Shelling is not a new occurrence.

 

[90MPH]

IAF OR Defense ministry hasn't claimed 300, tbf they have not claimed any number..

But even NDTV is saying that they have “sources” that over 300 were killed.

Either they are getting bogus info or they are making it up because other Indian media outlets have been parroting this same number.

You can not kill this many people with 1 strike and just hide it. They made the claims so they need to back it up. Or the Indian military should tell the Indian media this is false.

 

[BlackThunder]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heavy shelling reported from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kotli?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kotli</a> across the LoC as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/India?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#India</a>-<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> tensions escalate. Video shared by a local resident a while ago. <a href="https://t.co/1cotkOGMjN">pic.twitter.com/1cotkOGMjN</a></p>— Fahad Shah (@pzfahad) <a href="https://twitter.com/pzfahad/status/1100411166382219265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Shelling on LoC.... Time and place of our choosing.... more to come.

Surely your army can do better than that. I know your confidence is low towards your army considering what happened last night but still you should wait for a more serious face saving response from them than this. This is embarrassingly desperate.

 

[90MPH]

People are missing THE point. Why are Pakistanis caring if a bunch of terrorists get killed or not.

I came to your house, opened the fridge, threw away rotten cheese. You are questioning if I really threw the rotten cheese. Who cares? This is information war. As long as I came to your house, opened the fridge, rest is immaterial. I just showed you my ability that I can enter your house and get back unharmed. I just debunked your theory that any incursion will warrant a full scale nuclear war. The rotten cheese is immaterial if we believe Phulwama had other reasons. I came to.your house and opened the fridge even though I didn't show you any proof that your rotten cheese is the cause of my strife. That's brazen and any argument about rotten cheese doesn't matter.

If that’s the case then keep it simple.

But the whole Indian media machine is saying they have killed 300 terrorists.

That makes India a laughing stock if you can’t back up such claims or no major world news organisation is willing to give any back up.

At this stage this seems a big win politically for the BJP but hardly anything strategically to brag about.

 

[slipcatch]

Surely your army can do better than that. I know your confidence is low towards your army considering what happened last night but still you should wait for a more serious face saving response from them than this. This is embarrassingly desperate.

Aren't you the same guy who was clicked bated and presented that video with incorrect translation?

lol

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Surely your army can do better than that. I know your confidence is low towards your army considering what happened last night but still you should wait for a more serious face saving response from them than this. This is embarrassingly desperate.

Lol.

 

[rhony]

But even NDTV is saying that they have “sources” that over 300 were killed.

Either they are getting bogus info or they are making it up because other Indian media outlets have been parroting this same number.

You can not kill this many people with 1 strike and just hide it. They made the claims so they need to back it up. Or the Indian military should tell the Indian media this is false.

Indian media and army claimed ownership of the narrative. As long as they entered and exited without loss and there is proof to that, they can say anything they want. They can say they killed XYZ or his brother in law. Pak will not prove that XYZ or brother-in-law law is alive. This is not about killing terrorists. It's about a brazen attack and owning the story. This is also about a huge distraction while article 35a is being heard in Supreme court today and tomorrow. This is about Modi showing he can attack at will with international media and governments not caring one bit.

 

[Stalin]

Pakistan media says " Pakistan won the 1965 war and the Kargil war. "
They also say "Pakistan has the lumber one army in the world. "
They sometimes even say that one day pakistan will occupy the whole of India. Now take that.

But the Indian media says that "India is has become a superpower . "
So back to square one.

 

[BlackThunder]

Aren't you the same guy who was clicked bated and presented that video with incorrect translation?

lol

You seriously believe your arm forces don't have infared technology?

 

[rhony]

If that’s the case then keep it simple.

But the whole Indian media machine is saying they have killed 300 terrorists.

That makes India a laughing stock if you can’t back up such claims or no major world news organisation is willing to give any back up.

At this stage this seems a big win politically for the BJP but hardly anything strategically to brag about.

Media can and will say whatever they want. Media is part of the warfare. Facts be damned, it's about owning and manipulating the narrative.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

People are missing THE point. Why are Pakistanis caring if a bunch of terrorists get killed or not.

I came to your house, opened the fridge, threw away rotten cheese. You are questioning if I really threw the rotten cheese. Who cares? This is information war. As long as I came to your house, opened the fridge, rest is immaterial. I just showed you my ability that I can enter your house and get back unharmed. I just debunked your theory that any incursion will warrant a full scale nuclear war. The rotten cheese is immaterial if we believe Phulwama had other reasons. I came to.your house and opened the fridge even though I didn't show you any proof that your rotten cheese is the cause of my strife. That's brazen and any argument about rotten cheese doesn't matter.

This.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Neither.

Both compromised in their integrity and spewing nationalist rhetoric for clicks and attention. Anyone who believes either without significant proof is naive at best, disingenuous at worst

 

[Stalin]

Pakistan media says " Pakistan won the 1965 and the Kargil war" .

They even say that "Pakistan has the most powerful defence in the world."

And finally they say " One day whole India will be occupied by them . "
Now have that

But the Indian media also says that Rahul Gandhi is the prime minister India want.
So back to square one.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Whom to believe?

India? Or a country where the most dreaded terrorist in the world was enjoing an excellent life until we know what happened?

You have to be next level dumb to believe the 300 people killed narrative coming in from India.

All this rubbish is because Modi wants to garner votes from the incredibly stupid public in India.

Although I'm quite disappointed by the response from Pakistan so far. India needs to be given a setback, as we've had enough of our side being calm throughout this fiasco.

 

[90MPH]

Media can and will say whatever they want. Media is part of the warfare. Facts be damned, it's about owning and manipulating the narrative.

You are totally wrong as you can dupe your nation but you can’t dupe the whole world.

India will become a laughing stock if they can’t back up thier media claims of killing 300 terrorists.

It will be a completely strategically failed operation but sure could a big win politically for the BJP and the PM in the upcoming elections.

And since it seems so many indians are beating their chests I will give credit to Modi.

 

[Syed1]

Surely your army can do better than that. I know your confidence is low towards your army considering what happened last night but still you should wait for a more serious face saving response from them than this. This is embarrassingly desperate.

Almost as embarrassing as trying to have incursion and running away with tail between legs then claiming to kill 300 people )

 

[slipcatch]

You seriously believe your arm forces don't have infared technology?

lol.

you were clicked bated.

 

[slipcatch]

People are missing THE point. Why are Pakistanis caring if a bunch of terrorists get killed or not.

I came to your house, opened the fridge, threw away rotten cheese. You are questioning if I really threw the rotten cheese. Who cares? This is information war. As long as I came to your house, opened the fridge, rest is immaterial. I just showed you my ability that I can enter your house and get back unharmed. I just debunked your theory that any incursion will warrant a full scale nuclear war. The rotten cheese is immaterial if we believe Phulwama had other reasons. I came to.your house and opened the fridge even though I didn't show you any proof that your rotten cheese is the cause of my strife. That's brazen and any argument about rotten cheese doesn't matter.

If that’s the case then keep it simple.

But the whole Indian media machine is saying they have killed 300 terrorists.

That makes India a laughing stock if you can’t back up such claims or no major world news organisation is willing to give any back up.

At this stage this seems a big win politically for the BJP but hardly anything strategically to brag about.

Indian media and army claimed ownership of the narrative. As long as they entered and exited without loss and there is proof to that, they can say anything they want. They can say they killed XYZ or his brother in law. Pak will not prove that XYZ or brother-in-law law is alive. This is not about killing terrorists. It's about a brazen attack and owning the story. This is also about a huge distraction while article 35a is being heard in Supreme court today and tomorrow. This is about Modi showing he can attack at will with international media and governments not caring one bit.

After India’s Strike on Pakistan, Both Sides Leave Room for De-escalation

The view that little had been damaged was supported by military analysts and two Western security officials, who said that any militant training areas at the site, in the Pakistani province of Khyber-Pakhtunkwha, had long since packed up or dispersed. (Earlier reports had placed the attack in the Pakistani side of Kashmir, which is nearby.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/w...irstrikes.html

Doesn't look like they have much of the ownership unless you are Indian.

 

[rhony]

You are totally wrong as you can dupe your nation but you can’t dupe the whole world.

India will become a laughing stock if they can’t back up thier media claims of killing 300 terrorists.

It will be a completely strategically failed operation but sure could a big win politically for the BJP and the PM in the upcoming elections.

And since it seems so many indians are beating their chests I will give credit to Modi.

Bro, it is your DG ISPR guy that needs to be fired. What is the need for him to acknowledge India entered Balakot? Why did he show pictures of a claimed ground attack? Onus is not on India to prove anything. The Pak military proved it for India. The 300 or 600 number made up by Indian media IS because you acknowledged. You have denied 300 people getting killed. That's irrelevant and the denial should have been on India's claim that they attacked KPK. Denial should have been on India bombing locations in Pak including AK. Where is the denial from Pak that there is no way a 300 people terror camp was operating in Pak? They said 300 people didn't die. How about debunk the premise that 300 terrorists CANNOT be in a camp in Pak? As I said earlier, it's info war and India won it so far.

 

[Adijazz1706]

This.

There is no proof of even 3 terrorists being killed, it's like saying I threw rotten cheese out of your house when there is no sign anything has beeen removed from there at all

 

[Manager101]

You are totally wrong as you can dupe your nation but you can’t dupe the whole world.

India will become a laughing stock if they can’t back up thier media claims of killing 300 terrorists.

It will be a completely strategically failed operation but sure could a big win politically for the BJP and the PM in the upcoming elections.

And since it seems so many indians are beating their chests I will give credit to Modi.

Modern world is becoming more and more dependent on secondary information through manipulative Governments and Media sources. Just like Jaish-e-Mohammad claimed the attack on Pulwama, similarly India is claiming destroying terrorist camp. If in a so called technologically advanced world the world "CLAIM" is considered evidence then it becomes the height of foolishness among the masses.

 

[rhony]

There is no proof of even 3 terrorists being killed, it's like saying I threw rotten cheese out of your house when there is no sign anything has beeen removed from there at all

At the end of it, you are fiercely defending rotten cheese and claiming it's intact. What good can come out of it? You are trying hard in getting rid of the rotten cheese yourself for years. As I said removal of rotten cheese should never be the focal point. The denial of rotten cheese's existence should be the focal point. Denial of me entering and opening the fridge should have been the focus.

 

[srh]

Seeing as the Indian and Pakistani sides are claiming different things, my question to Pakistani posters is what do they honestly believe? Do they even think that there were JeM terrorists in Balakot? Do they think Pakistani media is falsifying reports or do they think it's the Indian side that's doing it or both?

why you are asking this question to only Pakistani posters? you think all Indian posters agree with what India media is claiming? the world is not black and white; there will be Pakistani posters who will not agree with what Pakistani media is claiming AND there will be Indian posters who will not agree with what Indian media is claiming

 

[Sachin136]

At the end of it, you are fiercely defending rotten cheese and claiming it's intact. What good can come out of it? You are trying hard in getting rid of the rotten cheese yourself for years. As I said removal of rotten cheese should never be the focal point. The denial of rotten cheese's existence should be the focal point. Denial of me entering and opening the fridge should have been the focus.

They like the cheese because they get others to eat it.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Modern world is becoming more and more dependent on secondary information through manipulative Governments and Media sources. Just like Jaish-e-Mohammad claimed the attack on Pulwama, similarly India is claiming destroying terrorist camp. If in a so called technologically advanced world the world "CLAIM" is considered evidence then it becomes the height of foolishness among the masses.

POTW.. And there are millions blindly believe what ever they see or hear without even thinking if that is true or false.

How foolish is that when coming from celebrities

 

[rhony]

Modern world is becoming more and more dependent on secondary information through manipulative Governments and Media sources. Just like Jaish-e-Mohammad claimed the attack on Pulwama, similarly India is claiming destroying terrorist camp. If in a so called technologically advanced world the world "CLAIM" is considered evidence then it becomes the height of foolishness among the masses.

People are sheep. A well educated and civilized American population fell for fake news on Facebook and elected a president. Perception is reality. The side that tells the story better wins irrespective of facts.

 

[IMMY69]

Neither.

Both compromised in their integrity and spewing nationalist rhetoric for clicks and attention. Anyone who believes either without significant proof is naive at best, disingenuous at worst

I just find it incredible that the Indians here are believing everything being said by their Govt/Press.
They have a history of falling for it but you would think they would learned by now.

As to the evidence, India will never produce it as they don't have any, but you are right lets wait until Pakistan produces pictures of where the so called bombing took place. Meanwhile, you would think that with advanced Satellite systems a picture of the bomb site would have been shown by now???

 

[90MPH]

There is no proof of even 3 terrorists being killed, it's like saying I threw rotten cheese out of your house when there is no sign anything has beeen removed from there at all

Exactly.

Once you engage to attack you need results.

Indians here are celebrating because their airforce have pierced Pakistani airspace and attacked some trees and concrete.

I wonder how many are privately disputing their media claims, whatever their chest thumping online.

 

[Zhasan]

Debut

This is amateur hour from Indian government, with all the sophisticated fourth generation fighter planes in its arsenal that can record and save targeting data and videos in real time, constellation of spy satellites and not to forget their bosom buddies Israelis laying out whole sleuth of intelligence data, the Indians can't produce one image of before and after strike.

300+ people and supporting infrastructure cannot evade sophisticated surveillance, not even primitive variety. All Indians had to do was fly a cheap surveillance drone and that would have easily captured the supposed training camps in full swing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The only confirmation at present is..

44 killed, 70 injured in Pulwama .

Trees, bushes, insects and rodents bombed in Pakistan.

What a reply by superpower India

 

[Bewal Express]

I am in a conflicting mood, I am happy that our top leadership is sane and values human life and on the other hand, I want the BJP fascists to pay the price for their warmongering and their incursion into PK air space even though they only hit a few trees.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

After India’s Strike on Pakistan, Both Sides Leave Room for De-escalation

The view that little had been damaged was supported by military analysts and two Western security officials, who said that any militant training areas at the site, in the Pakistani province of Khyber-Pakhtunkwha, had long since packed up or dispersed. (Earlier reports had placed the attack in the Pakistani side of Kashmir, which is nearby.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/w...irstrikes.html

Doesn't look like they have much of the ownership unless you are Indian.

This really should be the end of the debate, but for Indians and Mamoon I suppose the issue has become one of pride and they won't want to lose face over bombing a few trees in what has literally become a Sabzi-cal strike.

 

[JaDed]

The only confirmation at present is..

44 killed, 70 injured in Pulwama .

Trees, bushes, insects and rodents bombed in Pakistan.

What a reply by superpower India

Are you claiming now Pak Army is responsible for that?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are you claiming now Pak Army is responsible for that?

No India and Indians are.

We heard the reply would be epic in comparison to 44 killed but not a single person has been confirmed dead by Indian hands. We are now hearing more Indian soliders have been killed on the LOC.

The only stroy so far is Indians keep dying.

 

[slipcatch]

This really should be the end of the debate, but for Indians and Mamoon I suppose the issue has become one of pride and they won't want to lose face over bombing a few trees in what has literally become a Sabzi-cal strike.

That article is like mosquito repellent.

Most Indian continue to ignore and disperse back on to their seat to continue with their chest thumping from the comfort of their homes all while one family (an Indian soldier killed as a result of Modi's failed adventure) lives were ruined forever.

 

[JaDed]

No India and Indians are.

We heard the reply would be epic in comparison to 44 killed but not a single person has been confirmed dead by Indian hands. We are now hearing more Indian soliders have been killed on the LOC.

The only stroy so far is Indians keep dying.

All I asked was are you claiming Pak was involved in that.

 

[Stalin]

No India and Indians are.

We heard the reply would be epic in comparison to 44 killed but not a single person has been confirmed dead by Indian hands. We are now hearing more Indian soliders have been killed on the LOC.

The only stroy so far is Indians keep dying.

Dude just think about this.

Imagine your media and your ISPR guy accept that India has bombed terror camps in your territory and killed many of them (even if it's not 300) and have returned home without any resistance. Just think about the repercussions they would have to face. They'll be doomed by the Pak public. They have absolutely no reason to accept that indians have successfully destroyed terrorist hideouts. And naturally, they will deny it saying that no-one got killed. It's that simple.

And that excuse of bad weather ,when he was asked by the media about that supposed bombing place . Man , that was lame and I still don't know how pakistanis are believing that guy or your military in general. Get out of the false reckonings before it's too late.

 

[nikhilmtl]

Just wanted to say I’m Indian and while I feel bad for the soldiers India lost in Kashmir I also feel bad for the thousands of people in Kashmir India has killed and also kidnapped. There is outrage for the soldiers deaths but where is the outrage for all the innocent people
India as killed?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dude just think about this.

Imagine your media and your ISPR guy accept that India has bombed terror camps in your territory and killed many of them (even if it's not 300) and have returned home without any resistance. Just think about the repercussions they would have to face. They'll be doomed by the Pak public. They have absolutely no reason to accept that indians have successfully destroyed terrorist hideouts. And naturally, they will deny it saying that no-one got killed. It's that simple.

And that excuse of bad weather ,when he was asked by the media about that supposed bombing place . Man , that was lame and I still don't know how pakistanis are believing that guy or your military in general. Get out of the false reckonings before it's too late.

No independent news media has accepted any significant casualties either, in fact not even one so far has been confirmed. Wishing won't make it so.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dude just think about this.

Imagine your media and your ISPR guy accept that India has bombed terror camps in your territory and killed many of them (even if it's not 300) and have returned home without any resistance. Just think about the repercussions they would have to face. They'll be doomed by the Pak public. They have absolutely no reason to accept that indians have successfully destroyed terrorist hideouts. And naturally, they will deny it saying that no-one got killed. It's that simple.

And that excuse of bad weather ,when he was asked by the media about that supposed bombing place . Man , that was lame and I still don't know how pakistanis are believing that guy or your military in general. Get out of the false reckonings before it's too late.

When you bomb any area using fighter jets, you can make videos from the cockpit and also from cameras from other jets which show you the target, the attack and the aftermath.

Here is one from British Torandos against ISIS.

Pakistan would be foolish to deny something knowing India could easily produce the proof. If India do then Pakistanis should accept the case but until then it's a Bollywood song in some Swiss fields with dodgy perms and cheesy dance moves.

 

[Stalin]

Just wanted to say I’m Indian and while I feel bad for the soldiers India lost in Kashmir I also feel bad for the thousands of people in Kashmir India has killed and also kidnapped. There is outrage for the soldiers deaths but where is the outrage for all the innocent people
India as killed?

Innocent people do not pelt stones or do not ram an army vehicle with explosives. Your kind are the actual ones harming India more than any of those terrorist groups.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Innocent people do not pelt stones or do not ram an army vehicle with explosives. Your kind are the actual ones harming India more than any of those terrorist groups.

When you occupied, you have a legal and moral right not only to throw stones but to use weapons to defend yourself from illegal occupation. Kashmir's if they want to, have a legal and moral right to kill Indian soldiers if they wish.

 

[nikhilmtl]

Sorry bud but u can look at reports by human rights groups and they clearly state India has killed many innocent people, not just stone pelters and militants. U don’t know anything u just go by what the ******** Indian media say.

Do u know how many instances there are of troops going into homes in the middle of the night and kidnapping men and they’re Never heard from again? No trial no nothing.

You’re
A fake patriot like most Indians today.

 

[nikhilmtl]

Apparently I’m harming India by protesting the killing of innocent people lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Fine they did but what did they achieve militarily or strategically ? Do you believe that “300 were killed”.

The answer is absolutely nothing of course but a false sense of chest beating and bravado.

But you always want to give them credit right. Even Dr Bassim can see the birds from the sky but you may never see them.

As I said earlier, the media of both countries are cooking fabricated stories. The only fact so far is that Indian fighter planes invaded our airspace and left unharmed.

The point here is not the amount of damage the Indians did - the point is that they made a statement. They showed that they are capable of entering our territory and the best we could do is to fend them back.

Had Pakistan does the same, we would now be celebrating.

 

[Mamoon]

Wrong again...
If this is the case then the UK, the USA, Japan, even Russia have looked like fools on many many occasions and this is recent history not something that occurred during World War 2

Many countries have been made to look like fools, but countries with might respond in a way that shows their power.

When the U.S. were attacked, their response changed the world.

For a country that has not beaten India in a single war and has tried to grant Kashmir freedom for 72 years and has failed spectacularly, we are unbelievably arrogant and deluded about the prowess of our armed forces.

Our Savior stated that if India shows aggression, we will not think of retaliation but we will retaliate.

So now is the time for us to show what we mean by retaliation. India has made its move and has made a statement. The ball is in our court now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As I said earlier, the media of both countries are cooking fabricated stories. The only fact so far is that Indian fighter planes invaded our airspace and left unharmed.

The point here is not the amount of damage the Indians did - the point is that they made a statement. They showed that they are capable of entering our territory and the best we could do is to fend them back.

Had Pakistan does the same, we would now be celebrating.

You can walk from the area invaded right to Srinigar in less than 2 days. Any nation which borders another can violate airspace if it's a hit and run tactic. This is cowardly and embarrasing by Indians, so no need for Pakistan to get too angry. Bottom line is so far it's Indians who are dying.

 

[slipcatch]

As I said earlier, the media of both countries are cooking fabricated stories. The only fact so far is that Indian fighter planes invaded our airspace and left unharmed.

The point here is not the amount of damage the Indians did - the point is that they made a statement. They showed that they are capable of entering our territory and the best we could do is to fend them back.

Had Pakistan does the same, we would now be celebrating.

But Pakistan didn't, until that happen, you are hypothesizing.

According to International Law, in case of violation of LoC whether Air force or commerical Airline, you have to warn them and give them certain time to return.

And may be Pak government had let them go knowingly so we can maximize this blunder of Indian Government and utilize it on a global scale in our favor.

Dropping Indian planes out of sky does not serve anything but everything that you have been against it, ironic to say the least, which is chest thump-er from our side giving reason to chest thump.

This is just another example of how most Pakistani wants to de-escalate the situation.

 

[Sirris]

People are missing THE point. Why are Pakistanis caring if a bunch of terrorists get killed or not.

I came to your house, opened the fridge, threw away rotten cheese. You are questioning if I really threw the rotten cheese. Who cares? This is information war. As long as I came to your house, opened the fridge, rest is immaterial. I just showed you my ability that I can enter your house and get back unharmed. I just debunked your theory that any incursion will warrant a full scale nuclear war. The rotten cheese is immaterial if we believe Phulwama had other reasons. I came to.your house and opened the fridge even though I didn't show you any proof that your rotten cheese is the cause of my strife. That's brazen and any argument about rotten cheese doesn't matter.

You missed the point of the thread, the OP asked us whether we believe rotten cheese was really thrown out or not. Therefore it makes sense to address that issue.

As for you entering the house there is no denying it. The house keeper himself admitted someone entered and then left. After that no resident of the house can claim anything else and so far no one is doing so.

The discussion about rotten cheese is still relevant because the residents of the house need to know whether besides entering the house anything else was stolen or not. When you wake up in the morning and see someone broke in your house you do an overall assessment and see if anything is missing and aren't content with just knowing someone broke in.

Beside another important thing to keep in mind: it's also the intruder who left a note behind claiming to have broken in the house but with good intention of cleaning up the fridge and getting rid of the rotten cheese. This claim too needs to be verified because in reality it might have been fresh cheese which the intruder stole and ran away. In other words if there actually was human loss we need to evaluate it since it might just be innocent civilians claimed to be terrorist by the aggressive intruder.

Even if there indeed was rotten cheese even then the house resident need to know since the person in charge of cleaning claimed everything in the fridge was clean. In other words Pakistani public isn't used to seeing JeM militants openly roaming around and holding training camps. If they indeed had such strong presence then it is as much as a shock for the Pakistani public as it is for the Indian and someone in Pakistan has to explain what was going on.

I know most naive indians imagine terrorist waking around freely on the streets of pakistan with AK-47 in their hands and the public just turning a blind eye on them but that's not the case. The people of Pakistan aren't pretending that the JeM terrorist camps don't exist, we genuinely don't know about their existence and that's where some evidence from Indian side could have come in handy to win us over.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Many countries have been made to look like fools, but countries with might respond in a way that shows their power.

When the U.S. were attacked, their response changed the world.

For a country that has not beaten India in a single war and has tried to grant Kashmir freedom for 72 years and has failed spectacularly, we are unbelievably arrogant and deluded about the prowess of our armed forces.

Our Savior stated that if India shows aggression, we will not think of retaliation but we will retaliate.

So now is the time for us to show what we mean by retaliation. India has made its move and has made a statement. The ball is in our court now.

This attitude is exposing your duplicitous stance on this site. On the one hand you are always cheerleading India's might and culture while mocking Pakistani prowess in either cricket or any other field, now you are demanding that Pakistan acts like a superpower and lands a military strike on your cherished world power India. Looks like Pakistan has been forced to respond with violence, but it will be doing so very much as David vs Goliath. So at least get your comparisons right.

 

[Major]

The attack was not on Pakistani Military or citizens. The attack was on a site which according to Pakistan does not exist and the terrorists killed also do not. So obviously your media and politicians will be denial mode. According to you guys even Kasab and Co were not pakistani

again, please do use logic. Pakistan has admitted that an attack tok place but there were no casualities.

Again, you know nothing about our media.

If even 1 person was killed, our media would had shown that everywhere and would had bashed our army to take revenge for the kill

But nothing of that sort happened.

Infact, even the local people of Bala Kote have uploaded facebook videos where they are saying that only 1 person by the name of shah gee was injured.

 

[Major]

The media on both sides is lying. However, the fact is that Indian fighter jets were deep in our territory and were able to go back to their country unscathed.

They could not have done that in a country with a strong defense. We are only good for running our mouths and are all talk.

It is hilarious how people are focusing on how India is lying about dropping a bomb and doing damage, but that doesn’t even matter.

The pertinent point here is that we allowed them to go back to India unscathed.

mamoon the attack didn't take place in balakot, it took place in bala kote.

I also got confused. Apparently the latter is located in kashmir near the LOC.

 

[Sirris]

Apparently I’m harming India by protesting the killing of innocent people lol.

To be patriotic one has to blindly follow the popular opinion or otherwise risk being called a traitor. Once you are labelled a traitor your life is a fair target.

We, Pakistanis and Indians, might be able to read and write and we might even have engineering degrees but we do lack proper education of the mind.

 

[Mamoon]

You can walk from the area invaded right to Srinigar in less than 2 days. Any nation which borders another can violate airspace if it's a hit and run tactic. This is cowardly and embarrasing by Indians, so no need for Pakistan to get too angry. Bottom line is so far it's Indians who are dying.

This attitude is exposing your duplicitous stance on this site. On the one hand you are always cheerleading India's might and culture while mocking Pakistani prowess in either cricket or any other field, now you are demanding that Pakistan acts like a superpower and lands a military strike on your cherished world power India. Looks like Pakistan has been forced to respond with violence, but it will be doing so very much as David vs Goliath. So at least get your comparisons right.

Pakistan is an incompetent country, but our military/intelligence is not.

An institution that has grabbed a country by its balls for 72 years and were able to protect the most wanted terrorist in the world is far from weak.

We cannot fight beat India in an outright war, but it is not David vs Goliath either. If both countries use their full capacity, Pakistan may be wiped out, but India will also be hurt very badly.