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In my opinion, when a team is clearly struggling to produce quality players, the worst thing you can do is mismanage the process of selection the players in the first place.

Pakistan is a very average team but the way the selectors are building the team is equally average.

The selectors need to stop being funky with selections & stop hyping up mediocre, flashy players who are just not good enough for Test cricket/long format of the game.

What do you expect when you select Limited Overs bowlers like Rauf & Naseem? They are either going to fail or they are going to get injured or both will happen at the same time which it did.

It is time stop being funky with selection & stop selecting players based on hype & "talent" that does not exist in reality.

Pakistan has hit rock-bottom in this format & it is time to keep it simple - respect First-Class cricket & the players who have done the grind in this format.

In order to succeed in Test cricket, you cannot sidestep First-Class cricket. If you look at the history of the format, you will not find more than one or two percent of players who have done well in Test cricket without playing First-Class cricket.

Sure there will always be outliers, but you cannot bank on them. You need a better, more fool-proof method of producing results.

The selection of Saud Shakeel shows value. Yes he has not been the most exciting player, but his temperament showed his First-Class experience. We saw 57 First-Class matches, 4,000 runs & 50 average in his batting over the last two Tests.

I don't need to explain what would have happened if Pakistan selected Mohammad Haris or Haider Ali in his place because they appear to be more "talented" because that is what the selectors are doing with the bowlers.

To save Pakistan's Test cricket, Pakistan needs to become boring & safe again. Simply make a list of all the First-Class cricketers in the country who have ideally played a minimum of 20-25 matches & average 40+ with the bat & less than 30 with the ball.

If they fail, move onto the next batch. Rinse & repeat & you will get somewhere, but if you keep picking players based on white ball hype who have no First-Class performances & experience under their belt, you will not get anywhere.

Let's take a look at the First-Class credentials of the players who have played in this series - I'm excluding players like Babar, Rizwan & Azhar for obvious reasons & also all-rounders like Agha & Faheem because in my view, you should only play all-rounders if they are really good at either batting or bowling.

If they are middling in both departments like Agha, Faheem & Nawaz, they should not be selected - they will weaken both the batting & bowling at the same time.

Imam - 51 matches, 40+ average
Abdullah - 12 matches, 60+ average
Saud - 57 matches, 50+ average
Abrar - 14 matches, 25 average
Naseem - 14 matches, 23 average
Rauf - 8 matches, 27 average
Zahid - 56 matches, 37 average
Ali - 22 matches, 23 average

It is self-explanatory. 5 of the specialist players selected have a combined tally of 70 First-Class matches which is 14 matches per player. It is clearly not enough to build Test cricket temperament & skills.

One of the two spinners, Zahid, has experience but an average of 37 in First-Class cricket. If you are averaging 37 against Pakistani domestic batsman, what hope do you have of performing against superior international batsmen?

Naseem & Rauf have collectively played 22 First-Class matches. How can they perform in Test cricket. Hype & fan following will not compensate lack of First-class experience & fitness.

In addition to selecting 3 players who should not have been selected in the first place (Naseem, Rauf & Zahid) you have also selected 3 all-rounders (Agha, Nawaz & Faheem) who don't add any real value & are neither here not there & a past it batsman (Azhar).

Essentially, you are carrying 7 players in an 18 man squad that do not deserve to be in the squad. In addition, you are also carrying 3-4 players on the bench who have no performances & experience in First-Class cricket or they have already proved to be failures at international level.

Wasim Jr. has only played 7 First-Class matches. Nauman Ali & Shan Masood have played & failed at this level. Sarfaraz Ahmed is also washed up.

When you have 11 liabilities in an 18 man squad, what do you expect? That means 61% of your squad is either not good enough, not experienced enough, washed up or a combination of all three factors.

Pakistan currently does not have the talent to be a top side, but that does not explain or justify the clearly woeful planning by the team management. They have zero idea of how to build a Test team & it all starts with not giving due respect & importance to First-Class cricket.
 
Since 2017 5 year window

Double century count

India 8
New zealand 8
Australia 6
England 6
Bangladesh 3
Sri lanka 3
West Indies 2
Afghanistan 1
Pakistan 1
 
Since 2017 5 year window

Double century count

India 8
New zealand 8
Australia 6
England 6
Bangladesh 3
Sri lanka 3
West Indies 2
Afghanistan 1
Pakistan 1

The lone double century by Younis against England in England? Or was it in 2016?
 
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Batsmen should definitely be selected on the basis of FC form. Spinners too. However you can't rely on FC numbers for fast bowlers or else you will end up with more Mohammad Alis.
 
You can select whoever you want but if you have an incompetent captain like Babar Azam and an incompetent coach in Saqlain Mushtaq, the result will be the same. Pakistan desperately needs a competent captain who can make the right decisions on the field like Ben Stokes, Pakistan has lost too many matches because of poor defensive decisions by Babar in the middle. 3 years is a long time to captain a side, if someone is unable to develop and mature as a captain in 3 years and their game awareness, reading of the game then they just don't have it.
 
I agree with that and it's been a long term issue.

You can go as far back as 1996 when we debuted a 16 yr old Hasan Raza ! More recently, the selection of Musa Khan and Imran Khan for the 2019 Australia tour was beggar's belief given their awful FC performances.

Naseem and Rauf had some decent FC performances but a very small sample, not enough to justify their premature Test debuts.

There's also the problem of our players rarely being available for QEA Trophy. Usually the FC season is held while Pakistan are playing internationals so likes of Shadab, Hasnain, Rauf and co never get enough red ball exposure.

Therefore management needs to plan better and rest them occasionally to allow them to play FC cricket.

We also need more A team cricket in the off-season. Instead Ramiz is spaffing money on PJL as if our youth need even more T20 exposure.
 
Babar captaincy is a big issue but equally poor selection of players is an issue. How can you go into first test match with 3 debutant and two have very little first class expereince, and add to that your senior bowler Naseem himself with very little experience. To top that they went to second Test with so called an all rounder Faheem, who cannot take wickets, as the most experienced bowler.
Batting wise you have top first class batsmen like Kamran Ghulam and Usman, yet Agha is played because he may bowl few overs, yet we had Nawaz to do the duty of part time spinner.
The squad chosen is ill thought.
 
Batters who deserved to be in test squad:

Shan Masood
Kamran Ghulam
Usman Salahudin
Saud Shakeel

Bowlers who should be regular member of Test squad:

Hasan Ali
Mir Hamzah
Mohammad Abbas
Zafar Gohar
Abrar

Apart from these players, we will have regular players like Babar, Imam, Abdullah, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem and Sarfaraz.

This should be our ideal 16 member test squad for 1-2 seasons.
 
Batters who should be in the squad that are not.

Kamran Ghulam
Hurraira
Usman Salahuddin

Bowling who should be in the squad
Mir Hamza
Ihsanullah
Sameen Gull


Spinners who should be in the squad
Gohar
Mubasir

Both are can as good as Agha
 
In Test Matches you need to have players , batsmen or bowlers , who have grinded out in First Class. Batsmen who know how to construct innings , bowlers who are capable of bowling 20 plus overs a day.
 
In my opinion, when a team is clearly struggling to produce quality players, the worst thing you can do is mismanage the process of selection the players in the first place.

Pakistan is a very average team but the way the selectors are building the team is equally average.

The selectors need to stop being funky with selections & stop hyping up mediocre, flashy players who are just not good enough for Test cricket/long format of the game.

What do you expect when you select Limited Overs bowlers like Rauf & Naseem? They are either going to fail or they are going to get injured or both will happen at the same time which it did.

It is time stop being funky with selection & stop selecting players based on hype & "talent" that does not exist in reality.

Pakistan has hit rock-bottom in this format & it is time to keep it simple - respect First-Class cricket & the players who have done the grind in this format.

In order to succeed in Test cricket, you cannot sidestep First-Class cricket. If you look at the history of the format, you will not find more than one or two percent of players who have done well in Test cricket without playing First-Class cricket.

Sure there will always be outliers, but you cannot bank on them. You need a better, more fool-proof method of producing results.

The selection of Saud Shakeel shows value. Yes he has not been the most exciting player, but his temperament showed his First-Class experience. We saw 57 First-Class matches, 4,000 runs & 50 average in his batting over the last two Tests.

I don't need to explain what would have happened if Pakistan selected Mohammad Haris or Haider Ali in his place because they appear to be more "talented" because that is what the selectors are doing with the bowlers.

To save Pakistan's Test cricket, Pakistan needs to become boring & safe again. Simply make a list of all the First-Class cricketers in the country who have ideally played a minimum of 20-25 matches & average 40+ with the bat & less than 30 with the ball.

If they fail, move onto the next batch. Rinse & repeat & you will get somewhere, but if you keep picking players based on white ball hype who have no First-Class performances & experience under their belt, you will not get anywhere.

Let's take a look at the First-Class credentials of the players who have played in this series - I'm excluding players like Babar, Rizwan & Azhar for obvious reasons & also all-rounders like Agha & Faheem because in my view, you should only play all-rounders if they are really good at either batting or bowling.

If they are middling in both departments like Agha, Faheem & Nawaz, they should not be selected - they will weaken both the batting & bowling at the same time.

Imam - 51 matches, 40+ average
Abdullah - 12 matches, 60+ average
Saud - 57 matches, 50+ average
Abrar - 14 matches, 25 average
Naseem - 14 matches, 23 average
Rauf - 8 matches, 27 average
Zahid - 56 matches, 37 average
Ali - 22 matches, 23 average

It is self-explanatory. 5 of the specialist players selected have a combined tally of 70 First-Class matches which is 14 matches per player. It is clearly not enough to build Test cricket temperament & skills.

One of the two spinners, Zahid, has experience but an average of 37 in First-Class cricket. If you are averaging 37 against Pakistani domestic batsman, what hope do you have of performing against superior international batsmen?

Naseem & Rauf have collectively played 22 First-Class matches. How can they perform in Test cricket. Hype & fan following will not compensate lack of First-class experience & fitness.

In addition to selecting 3 players who should not have been selected in the first place (Naseem, Rauf & Zahid) you have also selected 3 all-rounders (Agha, Nawaz & Faheem) who don't add any real value & are neither here not there & a past it batsman (Azhar).

Essentially, you are carrying 7 players in an 18 man squad that do not deserve to be in the squad. In addition, you are also carrying 3-4 players on the bench who have no performances & experience in First-Class cricket or they have already proved to be failures at international level.

Wasim Jr. has only played 7 First-Class matches. Nauman Ali & Shan Masood have played & failed at this level. Sarfaraz Ahmed is also washed up.

When you have 11 liabilities in an 18 man squad, what do you expect? That means 61% of your squad is either not good enough, not experienced enough, washed up or a combination of all three factors.

Pakistan currently does not have the talent to be a top side, but that does not explain or justify the clearly woeful planning by the team management. They have zero idea of how to build a Test team & it all starts with not giving due respect & importance to First-Class cricket.

Excelled post Mamoon. You are at your best when you share analysis like this.
 
Batters who should be in the squad that are not.

Kamran Ghulam
Hurraira
Usman Salahuddin

Bowling who should be in the squad
Mir Hamza
Ihsanullah
Sameen Gull


Spinners who should be in the squad
Gohar
Mubasir

Both are can as good as Agha

Agreed on all but Hurraira and Mubasir. They are both immensely talented, but need to prove their mettle for at least 1 more series before they make a genuine claim.


Batters who should be in the squad that are not.

Usman Salahuddin
Kamran Ghulam

Bowling who should be in the squad
Mir Hamza
Ihsanullah
Sameen Gull
 
Mohammad Ali is a product of domestic system. He being completely inexperienced at this level had to grind his back on dead pitches. People on this forum pull their knifes out after a single failure. And the same people are after his neck after two games. Chopping culture fuels fear of failure and timidness.

Inexperienced players who have come through the domestic system need to be backed, can't do the chopping after every game. People who love the chopping culture complain that the players are not brave enough or are too timid. Every player deserves a fair chance. Its easy to sit behind the keyboard and take shots.

People are too emotional in this forum and the forum goes into meltdown after a loss. A single match can turn heroes into zeroes and vice versa.
 
Domestic FC cricket has to be the talent pool you have to choose test cricketers from, just like the PSL is a great hunting ground for the T20 Int'l team. ODI players are somewhere in between. Just from a process perspective, this makes sense, even if it doesn't get you results, because the results depend on so many other things such as strength of opponent, talent of players, pitch preparation, etc.

It's probably not possible to time FC cricket being played when we are not on Int'l assignments, but it would be ideal if int'l cricketers played at least a few FC games every season. With cricket returning to Pakistan, this would boost their confidence in their ability to play on home grounds. With so many of our int'l batsmen and bowlers not playing test cricket on home grounds in domestic games (and the fact that we're not preparing pitches the same between FC and Intl games - which is a horrible idea), they lose home advantage!
 
Mohammad Ali is a product of domestic system. He being completely inexperienced at this level had to grind his back on dead pitches. People on this forum pull their knifes out after a single failure. And the same people are after his neck after two games. Chopping culture fuels fear of failure and timidness.

Inexperienced players who have come through the domestic system need to be backed, can't do the chopping after every game. People who love the chopping culture complain that the players are not brave enough or are too timid. Every player deserves a fair chance. Its easy to sit behind the keyboard and take shots.

People are too emotional in this forum and the forum goes into meltdown after a loss. A single match can turn heroes into zeroes and vice versa.

He may have failed because the curators prepared different pitches for the international games to what they prepare for domestic games - which is such a horrible idea at so many levels that I cannot believe this happened. It's unclear if it was PCB management's fault or Babar/coach's fault, but it should never happen again!

So again, kind of repeating my point in my post above, even if we don't get results with the players who are playing well domestically, we still need to persist with the process as surely the player with the best chance at success internationally in test cricket is the one that does well in another competitive test league.
 
Mohammad Ali is a product of domestic system. He being completely inexperienced at this level had to grind his back on dead pitches. People on this forum pull their knifes out after a single failure. And the same people are after his neck after two games. Chopping culture fuels fear of failure and timidness.

Inexperienced players who have come through the domestic system need to be backed, can't do the chopping after every game. People who love the chopping culture complain that the players are not brave enough or are too timid. Every player deserves a fair chance. Its easy to sit behind the keyboard and take shots.

People are too emotional in this forum and the forum goes into meltdown after a loss. A single match can turn heroes into zeroes and vice versa.

Mohd Ali has been performing on Green wickets in domestic cricket. What was the team management planning by picking him if the wickets were going to be flat? Has he shown any reverse swing abilities with the old ball?
 
Mohd Ali has been performing on Green wickets in domestic cricket. What was the team management planning by picking him if the wickets were going to be flat? Has he shown any reverse swing abilities with the old ball?
Its not his fault if the pitches were green or red or black. The point is, he came through the system and he needs to be backed and given a fair chance.

Not every bowler can bowl with old ball like the 2 W's. A generational bowler like Shaheen is also ordinary with old ball and usually starts trundling in second or third spell of test. Its upto Ali to put in the work and show what he is capable of or else he will be shown the door in a year or so.
 
Its not his fault if the pitches were green or red or black. The point is, he came through the system and he needs to be backed and given a fair chance.

Not every bowler can bowl with old ball like the 2 W's. A generational bowler like Shaheen is also ordinary with old ball and usually starts trundling in second or third spell of test. Its upto Ali to put in the work and show what he is capable of or else he will be shown the door in a year or so.

Pakistani pitches since the 2020 season in domestic are as flat as they come. Look at the FC stats this season, half the games ended in draws with more than 25 batsmen averaging 50+.
Some posters above seem to be referring to the old FC where pitches were green mamba with dukes ball. But that info is outdated.

Mohammad Ali was selected somewhat on merit but he just hasn’t clicked. I say somewhat because there were better options like Mir Hamza and Sameen Gul who have performed consistently over a longer period.
It could be pressure/nerves, planning or skill or combination of all of many factors .

The bottom line is that FC performance DOESN’T guarantee international performance. It’s just a higher likelihood because other factors come into play such as form, how well the player handles pressure, luck, the team combinations etc
A player who has done well in FC is MORE LIKELY to do well than someone who has not. But history is littered also with many players who couldn’t convert their extraordinary performances from FC intro international cricket.

Unfortunately, people will look at those examples as evidence that FC performances can be ignored. What they don’t understand that decisions are made based on likelihood of outcomes.

In a nutshell, you’re still better off backing FC performers as statistically speaking they have a better probability to succeed but it’s never a guarantee either way.
 
I think it was Bazid Khan who raised an interesting point about FC matches uses different pitches and different balls (Duke vs kookaburra). If there are so many inconsistencies how can we expect FC performances being translated into international cricket.

Also Muhammad Ali was the top performer in the domestics recently and he looked absolutely "halwaa" and toothless in the bowling attack.
 
I think it was Bazid Khan who raised an interesting point about FC matches uses different pitches and different balls (Duke vs kookaburra). If there are so many inconsistencies how can we expect FC performances being translated into international cricket.

Also Muhammad Ali was the top performer in the domestics recently and he looked absolutely "halwaa" and toothless in the bowling attack.

I thought the PCB is using kookaburra in their domestic cricket. This is the ball the PCB is using for international cricket. The English team has destroyed the myth that the kookaburra ball is unsuitable for Pakistani conditions given how much they have been able to move both the new and the old ball. It is the bowling coaches across the country who need to be held accountable
 
I think it was Bazid Khan who raised an interesting point about FC matches uses different pitches and different balls (Duke vs kookaburra). If there are so many inconsistencies how can we expect FC performances being translated into international cricket.

Also Muhammad Ali was the top performer in the domestics recently and he looked absolutely "halwaa" and toothless in the bowling attack.

The dukes ball was used 3 seasons ago. Pakistan now uses Kookaburra, which most of the world uses except Eng and India.
 
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