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Pakistan's alarmingly low run-rates in the 10-over powerplay in ODIs

Its painful to see Imam bat this slow. Its not like he came in when 3 wickets are down for 10 runs. He is an Opener.... I would rather play Abid in all the matches.
 
Pakistan's alarmingly low run-rates in 1-10 overs in ODIs

If Imam plays for a couple more years we will slip behind Afghanistan.... Where are the people who say Imam is necessary.... it is Misbah all over again where we were lead to believe that without Misbah's tuk tuk our team will be all out for 150 everytime.

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Very alarming and should be of a huge concern but in England in these conditions, maybe not possible to keep up those sort of rates
 
It has been a perennial problem for more than a decade and no coach has tried to work on this problem.
 
saeedhk said:
It has been a perennial problem for more than a decade and no coach has tried to work on this problem.
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The only solution at the moment seems Babar/Fakhar or Babar/Abid.

Imam only slows up the process just like Shehzad used to do. There are no other options.
 
Azhar Ali and Shehzad used to get so much hate for this.

But, Imam is miraculously getting so much love for doing the same.

Heck, his accumulating at the top is even encouraged, leading him to believe he's an automatic selection.
 
Hawkeye said:
Azhar Ali and Shehzad used to get so much hate for this.

But, Imam is miraculously getting so much love for doing the same.

Heck, his accumulating at the top is even encouraged, leading him to believe he's an automatic selection.
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This stat is from after CT17... meaning all throughout Imam's career. Fakhar either gets out early or plays fast, so we know who to blame.


#Automatic selection
 
There is no two ways about this - Imam is to blame. He has a SR of 80 whereas Fakhar's SR is 96. A difference of exactly 20%!
 
I think the 2018 New Zealand tour is heavily responsible for these numbers.

We were getting off to disasterous starts every match.
 
Just unacceptable. Imam has a great temprament but his strike rate does have to improve early on. Can't afford to play at 50 during powerplay.
 
Pakistan's approach to one day cricket is outdated. They also haven't built a team or picked players that reflect that style.

Finally, Pakistan is not producing complete international quality batsman.
 
Hawkeye said:
Azhar Ali and Shehzad used to get so much hate for this.

But, Imam is miraculously getting so much love for doing the same.

Heck, his accumulating at the top is even encouraged, leading him to believe he's an automatic selection.
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The team needs him.....





If they want to keep losing.
 
saeedhk said:
It has been a perennial problem for more than a decade and no coach has tried to work on this problem.
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Has nothing to do with coaching and everything to do with selection. If you pick below average players that are only suitable for longer format of the game to open in limited over formats, this is exactly the result you get.
 
Imam wouldn't have to play slow if the people around him knew how to bat.
 
The fact that Sri Lanka is at number three tells us that aggressive starts make minimal difference if your team is not good enough.

They have produced diabolical results in ODIs in the last 2 years in spite of aggressive batting in PP overs.

On the other hand, India have been excellent but their average scoring rate is only 0.62 better than us.

Imam is our favorite punching bag these days, but our problems run deeper than just our scoring rate in the first 10 overs.

There are simply too many shortcomings in this team for aggressive batting in the first 10 overs to make much of a difference.

- Fakhar is a total hack who needs multiple chances to score runs against decent opposition.

- Babar is very good but not very productive against the top teams.

- Hafeez and Malik are also inconsistent against the good sides.

- Haris has improved his conversion rate lately, but he had issues with scoring big.

- Sarfraz is a total dud. No explanation required.

- Asif is one of the worst players to have ever played international cricket.

- Imad is our best finisher and a good support spinner, but he needs to play alongside a genuine spinner to be effective.

- Shadab is massively overrated. Diving around for cameras doesn’t make up for his minnow bashing bowling and poor batting.

The pace attack is quite mediocre as well. Hasan’s 2017 success has gone to his head, Amir cannot take wickets, Junaid is finished, Shinwari is a match-loser and Hasnain is very raw. Shaheen is excellent though.

All of these issue cannot be covered by scoring 15-20 more runs in the first 10 overs on average. Of course we need to improve our scoring rate, but we also need to understand that it is not the only stumbling block that stands between us and success.
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that Sri Lanka is at number three tells us that aggressive starts make minimal difference if your team is not good enough.

They have produced diabolical results in ODIs in the last 2 years in spite of aggressive batting in PP overs.

On the other hand, India have been excellent but their average scoring rate is only 0.62 better than us.

Imam is our favorite punching bag these days, but our problems run deeper than just our scoring rate in the first 10 overs.

There are simply too many shortcomings in this team for aggressive batting in the first 10 overs to make much of a difference.

- Fakhar is a total hack who needs multiple chances to score runs against decent opposition.

- Babar is very good but not very productive against the top teams.

- Hafeez and Malik are also inconsistent against the good sides.

- Haris has improved his conversion rate lately, but he had issues with scoring big.

- Sarfraz is a total dud. No explanation required.

- Asif is one of the worst players to have ever played international cricket.

- Imad is our best finisher and a good support spinner, but he needs to play alongside a genuine spinner to be effective.

- Shadab is massively overrated. Diving around for cameras doesn’t make up for his minnow bashing bowling and poor batting.

The pace attack is quite mediocre as well. Hasan’s 2017 success has gone to his head, Amir cannot take wickets, Junaid is finished, Shinwari is a match-loser and Hasnain is very raw. Shaheen is excellent though.

All of these issue cannot be covered by scoring 15-20 more runs in the first 10 overs on average. Of course we need to improve our scoring rate, but we also need to understand that it is not the only stumbling block that stands between us and success.
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POTW [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
But the question is if not imam then who ? His strike rate is a concern but who is there to replace him ? Abid ali a veteran of 2 odis(and a duck) or Selfie king ? Why not replace him with Kamran Akmal or CHILLAR AKMAL . Imam atleast gives you a platform.
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that Sri Lanka is at number three tells us that aggressive starts make minimal difference if your team is not good enough.

They have produced diabolical results in ODIs in the last 2 years in spite of aggressive batting in PP overs.

On the other hand, India have been excellent but their average scoring rate is only 0.62 better than us.

Imam is our favorite punching bag these days, but our problems run deeper than just our scoring rate in the first 10 overs.

There are simply too many shortcomings in this team for aggressive batting in the first 10 overs to make much of a difference.

- Fakhar is a total hack who needs multiple chances to score runs against decent opposition.

- Babar is very good but not very productive against the top teams.

- Hafeez and Malik are also inconsistent against the good sides.

- Haris has improved his conversion rate lately, but he had issues with scoring big.

- Sarfraz is a total dud. No explanation required.

- Asif is one of the worst players to have ever played international cricket.

- Imad is our best finisher and a good support spinner, but he needs to play alongside a genuine spinner to be effective.

- Shadab is massively overrated. Diving around for cameras doesn’t make up for his minnow bashing bowling and poor batting.

The pace attack is quite mediocre as well. Hasan’s 2017 success has gone to his head, Amir cannot take wickets, Junaid is finished, Shinwari is a match-loser and Hasnain is very raw. Shaheen is excellent though.

All of these issue cannot be covered by scoring 15-20 more runs in the first 10 overs on average. Of course we need to improve our scoring rate, but we also need to understand that it is not the only stumbling block that stands between us and success.
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You missef Faheem...
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that Sri Lanka is at number three tells us that aggressive starts make minimal difference if your team is not good enough.

They have produced diabolical results in ODIs in the last 2 years in spite of aggressive batting in PP overs.

On the other hand, India have been excellent but their average scoring rate is only 0.62 better than us.

Imam is our favorite punching bag these days, but our problems run deeper than just our scoring rate in the first 10 overs.

There are simply too many shortcomings in this team for aggressive batting in the first 10 overs to make much of a difference.

- Fakhar is a total hack who needs multiple chances to score runs against decent opposition.

- Babar is very good but not very productive against the top teams.

- Hafeez and Malik are also inconsistent against the good sides.

- Haris has improved his conversion rate lately, but he had issues with scoring big.

- Sarfraz is a total dud. No explanation required.

- Asif is one of the worst players to have ever played international cricket.

- Imad is our best finisher and a good support spinner, but he needs to play alongside a genuine spinner to be effective.

- Shadab is massively overrated. Diving around for cameras doesn’t make up for his minnow bashing bowling and poor batting.

The pace attack is quite mediocre as well. Hasan’s 2017 success has gone to his head, Amir cannot take wickets, Junaid is finished, Shinwari is a match-loser and Hasnain is very raw. Shaheen is excellent though.

All of these issue cannot be covered by scoring 15-20 more runs in the first 10 overs on average. Of course we need to improve our scoring rate, but we also need to understand that it is not the only stumbling block that stands between us and success.
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Deffo POTW, great read. Agree with all the points
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that Sri Lanka is at number three tells us that aggressive starts make minimal difference if your team is not good enough.

They have produced diabolical results in ODIs in the last 2 years in spite of aggressive batting in PP overs.

On the other hand, India have been excellent but their average scoring rate is only 0.62 better than us.

Imam is our favorite punching bag these days, but our problems run deeper than just our scoring rate in the first 10 overs.

There are simply too many shortcomings in this team for aggressive batting in the first 10 overs to make much of a difference.

- Fakhar is a total hack who needs multiple chances to score runs against decent opposition.

- Babar is very good but not very productive against the top teams.

- Hafeez and Malik are also inconsistent against the good sides.

- Haris has improved his conversion rate lately, but he had issues with scoring big.

- Sarfraz is a total dud. No explanation required.

- Asif is one of the worst players to have ever played international cricket.

- Imad is our best finisher and a good support spinner, but he needs to play alongside a genuine spinner to be effective.

- Shadab is massively overrated. Diving around for cameras doesn’t make up for his minnow bashing bowling and poor batting.

The pace attack is quite mediocre as well. Hasan’s 2017 success has gone to his head, Amir cannot take wickets, Junaid is finished, Shinwari is a match-loser and Hasnain is very raw. Shaheen is excellent though.

All of these issue cannot be covered by scoring 15-20 more runs in the first 10 overs on average. Of course we need to improve our scoring rate, but we also need to understand that it is not the only stumbling block that stands between us and success.
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This is the first time I at least agree with part of what you have written. Never thought that day would come :))

I disagree with your characterisation of Fakhar and all of the other players you mention. You complain about Imam being our favourite punch bag, but then dismiss every achievement of every single other player in the team!

These players are good and they are in the team on merit alone. There is no point therefore pretending they have achieved nothing in their careers, just so that you can have a moan and feel better about it.

Conditions today were clearly difficult - it's still early May after all. Even then we didn't actually play much of a game. Let's all stay calm and inshallah the boys will do us proud. If Pakistani supporters don't believe in their own players, nobody will.
 
Usman said:
This is the first time I at least agree with part of what you have written. Never thought that day would come :))

I disagree with your characterisation of Fakhar and all of the other players you mention. You complain about Imam being our favourite punch bag, but then dismiss every achievement of every single other player in the team!

These players are good and they are in the team on merit alone. There is no point therefore pretending they have achieved nothing in their careers, just so that you can have a moan and feel better about it.

Conditions today were clearly difficult - it's still early May after all. Even then we didn't actually play much of a game. Let's all stay calm and inshallah the boys will do us proud. If Pakistani supporters don't believe in their own players, nobody will.
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I am not downplaying their achievements. I can also do similar characterization for Imam, but my point is that we have too many issues that go beyond our run rate in the first 10 overs.
 
Mamoon said:
The fact that Sri Lanka is at number three tells us that aggressive starts make minimal difference if your team is not good enough.

They have produced diabolical results in ODIs in the last 2 years in spite of aggressive batting in PP overs.

On the other hand, India have been excellent but their average scoring rate is only 0.62 better than us.

Imam is our favorite punching bag these days, but our problems run deeper than just our scoring rate in the first 10 overs.

There are simply too many shortcomings in this team for aggressive batting in the first 10 overs to make much of a difference.

- Fakhar is a total hack who needs multiple chances to score runs against decent opposition.

- Babar is very good but not very productive against the top teams.

- Hafeez and Malik are also inconsistent against the good sides.

- Haris has improved his conversion rate lately, but he had issues with scoring big.

- Sarfraz is a total dud. No explanation required.

- Asif is one of the worst players to have ever played international cricket.

- Imad is our best finisher and a good support spinner, but he needs to play alongside a genuine spinner to be effective.

- Shadab is massively overrated. Diving around for cameras doesn’t make up for his minnow bashing bowling and poor batting.

The pace attack is quite mediocre as well. Hasan’s 2017 success has gone to his head, Amir cannot take wickets, Junaid is finished, Shinwari is a match-loser and Hasnain is very raw. Shaheen is excellent though.

All of these issue cannot be covered by scoring 15-20 more runs in the first 10 overs on average. Of course we need to improve our scoring rate, but we also need to understand that it is not the only stumbling block that stands between us and success.
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Excellent post. Imam has been singled out for no valid reason. We heard the same about how Shadab was a better all-rounder than Imad but that myth also busted big time.
 
So a good chance for Pakistan to do something about this run rate issue but the problem is that they lose wickets earlier on - so seem perpetually in consolidation mode.
 
Awful numbers.

A lack of ability to rotate the strike and an over-reliance on Fakhar Zaman.
 
imams contribution in first 10 overs in last 10 matches

128 runs of 253.

SR of barely 50.

even if his partner is going at 100 SR we will only achieve a runrate of 4.5 at on average.
 
Pakistan busy at the start of the innings trying not to lose wickets, whilst teams like England can score and not lose wickets!
 
Surprising stats. Almost all teams are scoring at less than 5. Are Pakistan numbers that much worse than India, nz and Co? England seem to be the exception, not the rule.
 
barah_admi said:
Surprising stats. Almost all teams are scoring at less than 5. Are Pakistan numbers that much worse than India, nz and Co? England seem to be the exception, not the rule.
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The difference is, we can't bat well in the death overs, generally we struggle against yorkers whereas we fail to bowl well ourselves in the death overs.
 
We have to stop playing our cricket in UAE. It no just impacts the stats but also impacts the development of our players who dont consistently play on batting friendly wickets like other international cricketers.
 
Poor thread and some really poor posts.

Pakistan dont get to play on such flat tracks as other nations do.

Dont just fine today because the conditions are right.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Poor thread and some really poor posts.

Pakistan dont get to play on such flat tracks as other nations do.

Dont just fine today because the conditions are right.
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You can check the match by match record and I think you'll find that more often than not, Pakistan are outscored by the opposition in the powerplay. Today is the exception, rather than the norm, mainly because Fakhar fired. He hasn't fired much since the Champions Trophy and generally when he doesn't fire, we score at a sedate pace in the powerplay.
 
Abdullah719 said:
You can check the match by match record and I think you'll find that more often than not, Pakistan are outscored by the opposition in the powerplay. Today is the exception, rather than the norm, mainly because Fakhar fired. He hasn't fired much since the Champions Trophy and generally when he doesn't fire, we score at a sedate pace in the powerplay.
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Not in England we dont. Conditions matter in cricket, please try to understand this before jumping to conclusions.
 
Pakistan scored quicker today because of scoreboard pressure. If we bat first we always bat slower than necessary and that is why I prefer chasing. That way we can't be complacent and think 270 is a good 50 over total.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Pakistan scored quicker today because of scoreboard pressure. If we bat first we always bat slower than necessary and that is why I prefer chasing. That way we can't be complacent and think 270 is a good 50 over total.
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There are different ways of approaching a target. Some start fast making use of the powerplays while others will want wickets in hand. For Pakistan keeping wickets in hand is the usual way because of our weakish middle to lower order. But it all comes down to conditions and the opposition.

You dont beat SA, Eng and India in a row if you are a poor team. Pakistan most times turns up in world tournaments, just see the history.
 
KingKhanWC said:
There are different ways of approaching a target. Some start fast making use of the powerplays while others will want wickets in hand. For Pakistan keeping wickets in hand is the usual way because of our weakish middle to lower order. But it all comes down to conditions and the opposition.

You dont beat SA, Eng and India in a row if you are a poor team. Pakistan most times turns up in world tournaments, just see the history.
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I am not talking about chasing targets, I am talking about when we bat first. Pakistan batsmen will usually look to post a safety first target around 280 and hope to defend that. In the modern era you have to be a lot more aggressive, but that needs batsmen to play for the team and not protect their average.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Not in England we dont. Conditions matter in cricket, please try to understand this before jumping to conclusions.
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I understand cricket just fine, thanks.

You can check the match by match record and I think you'll find that more often than not, Pakistan are outscored by the opposition in the powerplay.
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Any objections to this point? The ongoing ODI is the only one we've played in England since the Champions Trophy besides the last one which was rained out, so we can't draw many conclusions from one game. But a general overview of Pakistan's powerplay output, when you compare with other teams will show Pakistan to be lacking. That's my point.

I'll dig up the numbers when I have some free time.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I am not talking about chasing targets, I am talking about when we bat first. Pakistan batsmen will usually look to post a safety first target around 280 and hope to defend that. In the modern era you have to be a lot more aggressive, but that needs batsmen to play for the team and not protect their average.
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You can approach a target by batting first, meaning having a target in mind.

Yes modern day 50 cricket see 300 runs but it's silly to always look for 300 if the conditions are not right. Sometimes you need 350 and other times you need 400 or 250.

There is no such thing as a forumla in batting, you have to take conditions, your oppostion, your bowlers and the outfield into consideration. In 2017 CT Pakistan only reached 300 in the final but beat SA and Eng pretty easilly while only needing to score just over 200.
 
So, it's actually "Hack Zaman" who's scoring AND scoring at a meaningful strike rate.
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Too bad the automatic selection did what he usually does.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I understand cricket just fine, thanks.



Any objections to this point? The ongoing ODI is the only one we've played in England since the Champions Trophy besides the last one which was rained out, so we can't draw many conclusions from one game. But a general overview of Pakistan's powerplay output, when you compare with other teams will show Pakistan to be lacking. That's my point.

I'll dig up the numbers when I have some free time.
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As I just wrote Pakistan beat SA and Eng scoring less than 300 and people were saying the same then but in the final against what people thought was a great bowling line up scored over 330. You will score what you need to score and also depending on conditions and opposition, no need to pull out theories when cricket is a complex game depending on the situation at the time of the match.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You can approach a target by batting first, meaning having a target in mind.

Yes modern day 50 cricket see 300 runs but it's silly to always look for 300 if the conditions are not right. Sometimes you need 350 and other times you need 400 or 250.

There is no such thing as a forumla in batting, you have to take conditions, your oppostion, your bowlers and the outfield into consideration. In 2017 CT Pakistan only reached 300 in the final but beat SA and Eng pretty easilly while only needing to score just over 200.
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You can have as many approaches as you like, but generally your record over the last few years will tell the story. What is Pakistan's current ODI ranking?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
You can have as many approaches as you like, but generally your record over the last few years will tell the story. What is Pakistan's current ODI ranking?
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Rankings mean little in world tournaments esp for Pakistan. If this was true we would not have beaten strong SA, Eng and Ind to win the CT and that too with ease. Pakistan were ranked bottom. Pakistan team makes a fool of rankings time after time and people who use them as an indicator as to how the team will perform. :)
 
I am watching this game now, Pakistan started off well chasing a mammoth total of 380 plus, but I can already tell they are slowing down and settling for a respectable loss. they are currently 166-1 but the R/R is climbing slowly higher with every over.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The difference is, we can't bat well in the death overs, generally we struggle against yorkers whereas we fail to bowl well ourselves in the death overs.
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Havent seen many bowlers ball yorkers these days. The failure in the death overs is down to Pakistan not having lower order hitters but Imad has come along miles and Asif Ali could be a potential lower order strikers.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan after 16 overs - 97/0<br>Pakistan after 25 overs - 148/1<br><br>Only 51 runs in 9 overs on such a flat track.<br><br>This is where I feel they let themselves down - other teams would have been looking to continue the attack after a good start<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1129384380940607489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan after 16 overs - 97/0<br>Pakistan after 25 overs - 148/1<br><br>Only 51 runs in 9 overs on such a flat track.<br><br>This is where I feel they let themselves down - other teams would have been looking to continue the attack after a good start<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1129384380940607489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Anchoring the innings...
Stabilizing the innings.....
Holding the one end.....
Not throwing away your wicket.....
Getting yourself in before scoring run at a better rate....
(make yourself look better than other players who score at a faster and get out early)
(getting your position in team permanent, by scoring runs - any at S/R).



Mantras.... for the last 8-9 years, you score runs and the S/R does not matter.
 
Hawkeye said:
Azhar Ali and Shehzad used to get so much hate for this.

But, Imam is miraculously getting so much love for doing the same.

Heck, his accumulating at the top is even encouraged, leading him to believe he's an automatic selection.
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How many centuries and fifties did Azhar ali and Shehzad got against the top teams at SR of 85+...

Out of all the batsmen Imam knows how to build an innings and still stay up there with the RR not getting caught of the situation or getting out playing rash shots for a single or two...

He is a proper batsman who needs backing

People shouldnt get deceived by the English phattas these days which will hinder the progress of a batsman as he continues to play on roads even against best bowlers... They do struggle even against WI which is a no.8th team when there is something for the bowlers in the pitch.

This English team can be blown away if Root couldnt save them when there is a bowlers day..
 
Rohit Sharma is not much better than Imam - of course he changes gears as he settles in.

Anyways, Imam is the least of our worries at this time. Our top 3 have been fine - need runs from number 4 to 7 at a quick pace.

Hafeez, Sarfraz, Asif/Malik, Imad will dictate whether our batting matches up or falls short of the top teams.
 
cricketInsight said:
Rohit Sharma is not much better than Imam - of course he changes gears as he settles in.

Anyways, Imam is the least of our worries at this time. Our top 3 have been fine - need runs from number 4 to 7 at a quick pace.

Hafeez, Sarfraz, Asif/Malik, Imad will dictate whether our batting matches up or falls short of the top teams.
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This is the most common sense post I have seen on here in a long time.

The top 3 are fine, score well, are consistent and gel together. The problem is what comes below that. Wek now Imad and Ali can hit a long ball but both lack consistency. Malik, Hafeez, Sohail, Sarfraz and whoever else slots into the middle order really need to push on. I am so disappointed by Malik who seems a shot player now, while Hafeez is doing nothing with bat or ball.
 
Some have argued this stat is due to playing on sluggish UAE wickets.

But actually the best time to bat in UAE ODIs is against the new ball as the hard new ball comes onto the bat nicely. It's when the ball becomes softer on those slow surfaces when it's harder to time your shots.
 
Strike Rate in ODI Power play - no points for guessing who is at the bottom of the list...Imam at the bottom of the list. 3.77 &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;
 
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This is why Rohit is a bit overrated. He struggles against the pacers with the new ball because of his inability to play the moving ball. A run rate of under 4 is just terrible and in ICC ODI comps, he's always been out of touch. He merely bullies Bangladesh on the big stage.

It's very unfair on Dhawan to be the unsung hero out of India's top 3, when he's been the leading scorer in the 2013 CT (and MOTM), 2017 CT and leading run scorer for his side in the 2015 WC. But I guess Indian fans, media, ex-players and all other pundits have their judgements clouded by Rohit's double hundreds and dominance at home.
 
topspin said:
This is why Rohit is a bit overrated. He struggles against the pacers with the new ball because of his inability to play the moving ball. A run rate of under 4 is just terrible and in ICC ODI comps, he's always been out of touch. He merely bullies Bangladesh on the big stage.

It's very unfair on Dhawan to be the unsung hero out of India's top 3, when he's been the leading scorer in the 2013 CT (and MOTM), 2017 CT and leading run scorer for his side in the 2015 WC. But I guess Indian fans, media, ex-players and all other pundits have their judgements clouded by Rohit's double hundreds and dominance at home.
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He averages 40 with a strike rate of 80 outside INDIA, he's more than "a bit" over rated.
 
We must also remember that SR alone can not be used as a justifiable factor because very fewo n that list actually score as many runs as Imam who averages over 50. Fakhar does although he is scoring less and less these days but who else? De Kock and Amla are outstanding by being both consistent and having splendid averages, many of the otehrs average in their 30s so may well be getting 25 off 10 but I find 50 off 60 more valuable. Any team would.
 
Strike rates by openers pathetic

In modern-day ODI's, the strike rate of the first four Pakistani batsmen against South Africa is deplorable. I don't believe these batsmen should be given much more rope to continue in the shorter format of the game. Other than Fakhar Zaman, they lack aggression and intent. And Hafeez shelf life has long expired. They should be replaced immediately to give newer players a chance on the World stage
 
Pak are 20 runs short atleast on this pitch.

50 runs if you take pak's poor fielding into account.

South Africas batsmen are out of form but they have every chance to chase this down considering the way Shaheen and wahab have been getting smashed recently.
 
Haris Sohail batted at a SR of roughly 150 throughout this innings. Cannot expect this from tuk tuks Imam and Babar even if they got 5 chances.
 
If it wasn't for Haris the others followed the script word-by-word. Played for a 70-80 SR 40 runs.

Still baffled as to why it took 80 balls for the second fifty after the solid opening stand. Why did they become slow? Not that the ball started turning or bouncing. Can't really think of any reason.
 
Energy said:
If it wasn't for Haris the others followed the script word-by-word. Played for a 70-80 SR 40 runs.

Still baffled as to why it took 80 balls for the second fifty after the solid opening stand. Why did they become slow? Not that the ball started turning or bouncing. Can't really think of any reason.
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Imam was approaching 50 obviously he had to slow down.... have to maintain that average which is the most important thing, team winning or losing is secondary.
 
We do have another opener who is doing really well, but they don’t believe he should be in the team. I mean why make use of his good form
 
Need to improve otherwise will find themselves lagging behind on good batting tracks....
 
SecularPakistanii said:
Strike Rate in ODI Power play - no points for guessing who is at the bottom of the list...Imam at the bottom of the list. 3.77 &#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;
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This is what happens when you open with selfish player who plays risk free cricket in PP, add to that Fakhar is slow at getting started and its a disaster.
 
Something which definitely needs to improve if Pak needs to become a consistent team in ODIs. I understand Pak is too dependent upon top 3 but, then most sides are however that shouldn’t stop you from playing some proactive cricket by putting the bad balls away as well as putting the pressure on the opposition teams.
 
Still the best ODI pair we have had since Anwar and Afridi/Sohail. Amir Sohail was pretty overrated as an opener though.

Shan should be in the team but then either Babar will have to bat at no4 or one of Fakhar or Shan will have to bat at 4.
 
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