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Pakistan's best-averaging List A batsmen

Abdullah Rabbani

Abdullah Rabbani

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Pakistan odi team is struggling we need balanced team which can able to to win every series against any team apart from babar and fakhar other batsman not perform well and also very poor in domestic there counterpart have superior record's in list a.

Following are the best averaged list a batsman in pakistan.

Shan Masood 57.86
Fakhar Zaman 53.59
Saud Shakeel 53.30
Khuram Manzor 52.96
Saleem Ellahi 52.30
Babar Azam 51.57
Iftikhar Ahmed 49.21
Sami Aslam 49.15
Khushdil Shah 49.00
Fawad Alam 48.82
Saad Ali 48.31
Azhar Ali 47.76
Akbar ur Rehaman 47.66
Khalid Latif 47.06
Misbah ul Haq 46.89
M Rizwan 46.45
Salman Butt 46.32
Usman Salahudin 46.21
Saleem Mughal 45.41
Adil Amim 44.55
Bazid Khan 44.25
Khurram Khan 44.15
Ali Naqvi 43.26
Ahmed Shehzad 42.86
Javed Miandad 42.60

What You Think Which Current One Is Selected?
 
This team should play at WC.

01. Fakhar
02. Babar
03. Haris
04. Saud
05. Malik
06. Sarfraz (c)
07. Faheem
08. Hasan
09. Shadab
10. Shaheen
11. Junaid

12. Imad
13. Amir
14. Rizwan
15. Asif
 
Shan Masood M:80 R:3717 (A:57.86) SR:82.3 H:11 F:22
Fakhar Zaman M:75 R:3698 (A:53.59) SR:95.8 H:10 F:23
Sahibzada Farhan M:23 R:1228 (A:53.39) SR:89.24 H:4 F:8
Saud Shakeel M:45 R:1919 (A:53.30) SR:85.21 H:4 F:14
Khurram Manzoor M:140 R:6674 (A:52.96) SR:82.2 H:23 F:33
Saleem Ellahi M:138 R:6277 (A:52.30) SR:95.6 H:18 F:37
Babar Azam M:113 R:5106 (A:51.57) SR:83.5 H:18 F:26
Iftikhar Ahmed M:74 R:29.53 (A:49.21) SR:88.2 H:6 F:18
Sami Aslam M:76 R:3525 (A:49.15) SR:86.2 H:11 F:20
Khusdil Shah M:38 R:1666 (A:49.00) SR:92.1 H:6 F:9
Fawad Alam M:174 R:6445 (A:48.82) SR:83.5 H:8 F:40
Saad Ali M:47 R:1691 (A:48.31) SR:85.49 H:1 F:12
Azhar Ali M:144 R:5827 (A:47.66) SR:- H:16 F:39
Akbar ur Rehman M:85 R:3384 (A:47.66) SR:83.4 H:6 F:26
Khalid Latif M:96 R:3859 (A:47.06) SR:91.6 H:12 F:17
Misbah ul Haq M:267 R:9941 (A:46.89) SR:78.5 H:11 F:70
M Rizwan M:103 R:3438 (A:46.45) SR:87.6 H:7 F:17
 
ARK Rafay said:
This team should play at WC.

01. Fakhar
02. Babar
03. Haris
04. Saud
05. Malik
06. Sarfraz (c)
07. Faheem
08. Hasan
09. Shadab
10. Shaheen
11. Junaid

12. Imad
13. Amir
14. Rizwan
15. Asif
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Amir Yameen Is Good Instead Of Faheem And Imad Is Not Effective In English Conditions
 
Khusdil Shah 38 matches, 1666 runs, averaging 49 @SR of 92. I have not seen him batting but his numbers look good, specially striker rate.
 
Abdullah Rabbani said:
Pakistan odi team is struggling we need balanced team which can able to to win every series against any team apart from babar and fakhar other batsman not perform well and also very poor in domestic there counterpart have superior record's in list a.

Following are the best averaged list a batsman in pakistan.

Shan Masood 57.86
Fakhar Zaman 53.59
Saud Shakeel 53.30
Khuram Manzor 52.96
Saleem Ellahi 52.30
Babar Azam 51.57
Iftikhar Ahmed 49.21
Sami Aslam 49.15
Khushdil Shah 49.00
Fawad Alam 48.82
Saad Ali 48.31
Azhar Ali 47.76
Akbar ur Rehaman 47.66
Khalid Latif 47.06
Misbah ul Haq 46.89
M Rizwan 46.45
Salman Butt 46.32
Usman Salahudin 46.21
Saleem Mughal 45.41
Adil Amim 44.55
Bazid Khan 44.25
Khurram Khan 44.15
Ali Naqvi 43.26
Ahmed Shehzad 42.86
Javed Miandad 42.60

What You Think Which Current One Is Selected?
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The lack of merit is tragic.

Can you do the same for First Class (4 day only)
 
Deewana Mastana said:
What you also need to look at is the SR of these averages too when it comes to List A.
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Yes cause our current team is filled with people who have an amazing SR (Imam / Harris) LOL

First lets prioritize on bringing players who can beat Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
 
Saud Shakeel should be playing for Pakistan already. Sad to see consistent performers not getting chances. On merit Shan deserves a run ahead of imam.
 
Saud and even Rizwan need to be around the set-up ASAP now.

Also can't fault selectors for picking Shan, although I think eventually the management will realize that Fakhar & Babar is the way to go when it comes to opening (can't drop Imam right now).
 
Square Drive said:
Saud and even Rizwan need to be around the set-up ASAP now.

Also can't fault selectors for picking Shan, although I think eventually the management will realize that Fakhar & Babar is the way to go when it comes to opening (can't drop Imam right now).
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Imam is poor against top teams but need to give more time to see if failed then replace with shan
 
Inzamam and Yousuf. If they were fitter they could achieve more.
 
Abdullah Rabbani said:
Pakistan odi team is struggling we need balanced team which can able to to win every series against any team apart from babar and fakhar other batsman not perform well and also very poor in domestic there counterpart have superior record's in list a.

Following are the best averaged list a batsman in pakistan.

Shan Masood 57.86
Fakhar Zaman 53.59
Saud Shakeel 53.30
Khuram Manzor 52.96
Saleem Ellahi 52.30
Babar Azam 51.57
Iftikhar Ahmed 49.21
Sami Aslam 49.15
Khushdil Shah 49.00
Fawad Alam 48.82
Saad Ali 48.31
Azhar Ali 47.76
Akbar ur Rehaman 47.66
Khalid Latif 47.06
Misbah ul Haq 46.89
M Rizwan 46.45
Salman Butt 46.32
Usman Salahudin 46.21
Saleem Mughal 45.41
Adil Amim 44.55
Bazid Khan 44.25
Khurram Khan 44.15
Ali Naqvi 43.26
Ahmed Shehzad 42.86
Javed Miandad 42.60

What You Think Which Current One Is Selected?
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Unfortunately this list proves how poor the standard of domestic cricket really is when you have Shan Masood at the top of the list. He has glaring technical flaws and guys like him, Iftikhar Ahmed, Sami Aslam, Azhar Ali and etc have or would stuggle at LOIs.

Hence why the top Pakistani performers in PSL is more relevant when it comes to assessing their LOI potential since it filters out the lower end of the talent pool.
 
topspin said:
Unfortunately this list proves how poor the standard of domestic cricket really is when you have Shan Masood at the top of the list. He has glaring technical flaws and guys like him, Iftikhar Ahmed, Sami Aslam, Azhar Ali and etc have or would stuggle at LOIs.

Hence why the top Pakistani performers in PSL is more relevant when it comes to assessing their LOI potential since it filters out the lower end of the talent pool.
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Babar Azam , Fakhar , Sharjeel And Misbah Played In Same Domestic Cricket Where Shan Sami And Azhar Played
 
topspin said:
Unfortunately this list proves how poor the standard of domestic cricket really is when you have Shan Masood at the top of the list. He has glaring technical flaws and guys like him, Iftikhar Ahmed, Sami Aslam, Azhar Ali and etc have or would stuggle at LOIs.

Hence why the top Pakistani performers in PSL is more relevant when it comes to assessing their LOI potential since it filters out the lower end of the talent pool.
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Azhar Ali would have thrived when the the par scores were 250-260... Now that they're 300 or more, he has no place in the side.

Sami Aslam and Shaan Masood haven't been given proper chances in ODIs, so you can't comment on them.

Iftikhar Ahmed is quite poor, that I agree with.
 
Chokli said:
Azhar Ali would have thrived when the the par scores were 250-260... Now that they're 300 or more, he has no place in the side.

Sami Aslam and Shaan Masood haven't been given proper chances in ODIs, so you can't comment on them.

Iftikhar Ahmed is quite poor, that I agree with.
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This, our public can be so silly at times.

Shaan sucks in first class cricket and he sucked at Test cricket.

We have not given him a chance in the ODI format. He is being pushed in the wrong format!
 
Chokli said:
Azhar Ali would have thrived when the the par scores were 250-260... Now that they're 300 or more, he has no place in the side.

Sami Aslam and Shaan Masood haven't been given proper chances in ODIs, so you can't comment on them.

Iftikhar Ahmed is quite poor, that I agree with.
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Agree with your point on Azhar Ali.

Sami Aslam and Shan Masood can't even break into PSL. The latter got acquired by one of the franchises but never played. Sami Aslam never got picked up. The reason being is because they're simply not good enough.

If they're ODI potential at the very least they must be able to prove it in Pakistan's premier domestic limited overs tournament.
 
topspin said:
Agree with your point on Azhar Ali.

Sami Aslam and Shan Masood can't even break into PSL. The latter got acquired by one of the franchises but never played. Sami Aslam never got picked up. The reason being is because they're simply not good enough.

If they're ODI potential at the very least they must be able to prove it in Pakistan's premier domestic limited overs tournament.
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Well, I wouldn't want to pick ODI players based off of a T20 league.

If Sami and Shan aren't T20 players then they have rightfully been left out. I don't see why Sami and Shan need to be a part of PSL in order to be selected.

They already have a more than decent List A record and on the basis of that they deserve at least a few games to show their worth.
 
Chokli said:
Well, I wouldn't want to pick ODI players based off of a T20 league.

If Sami and Shan aren't T20 players then they have rightfully been left out. I don't see why Sami and Shan need to be a part of PSL in order to be selected.

They already have a more than decent List A record and on the basis of that they deserve at least a few games to show their worth.
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You said it yourself with the 300+ averages in this era batsmen such as Azhar Ali would struggle - cricket has changed where the scores made now are a lot higher than what they used to be courtesy of the T20 revolution.

IPL and other T20 leagues actually form the basis of selections in not just T20Is but ODIs as well, since the fundamentals of both formats are actually the same. Given that we see more 350+ scores these days it is actually fair to say that ODIs is a mere extension of T20Is as a matter of fact.

You'll find that for the top 5 sides in ODI cricket (Aus, Ind, Eng, SA and NZ), nearly all their ODI batsmen are successful T20 players whether it be in domestic leagues and/or T20Is. It shows if you can't even hack it in T20 leagues you will mostly likely struggle in ODIs.

The problem with selecting players merely from List A records in Pakistan is the fact that the domestic system isn't great, so it becomes very difficult to filter out those players that have managed to punch up stats above their calibre by bullying the lower end of the talent pool. These players at the lower end of the spectrum would not be found in Pakistan's Premier domestic limited overs tournament, even if they were (such as Moin Khan's son) you would never find them in the playing XI.

Sharjeel, Fakhar, Hasan Ali, Shaheen and Shadab have all done very well so far in their short careers. It is no coincidence that they all got selected for Pakistan after succeeding at PSL which filters out the lower end of the talent pool making the cricket a lot more competitive. Thus providing a more reliable indicator of not only T20I but also ODI potential.

Without PSL, how would you filter out the likes of Sami Aslam, Azhar Ali, Shan Masood, Iftikhar and etc from a list containing Fakhar and Sharjeel for instance if your criteria for selecting ODI batsmen was primarily based on List A performances?

If the standard of List A cricket in Pakistan was up to a decent standard then perhaps we would be having a slightly different discussion taking into account these performances along with their PSL records.
 
topspin said:
You said it yourself with the 300+ averages in this era batsmen such as Azhar Ali would struggle - cricket has changed where the scores made now are a lot higher than what they used to be courtesy of the T20 revolution.

IPL and other T20 leagues actually form the basis of selections in not just T20Is but ODIs as well, since the fundamentals of both formats are actually the same. Given that we see more 350+ scores these days it is actually fair to say that ODIs is a mere extension of T20Is as a matter of fact.

You'll find that for the top 5 sides in ODI cricket (Aus, Ind, Eng, SA and NZ), nearly all their ODI batsmen are successful T20 players whether it be in domestic leagues and/or T20Is. It shows if you can't even hack it in T20 leagues you will mostly likely struggle in ODIs.

The problem with selecting players merely from List A records in Pakistan is the fact that the domestic system isn't great, so it becomes very difficult to filter out those players that have managed to punch up stats above their calibre by bullying the lower end of the talent pool. These players at the lower end of the spectrum would not be found in Pakistan's Premier domestic limited overs tournament, even if they were (such as Moin Khan's son) you would never find them in the playing XI.

Sharjeel, Fakhar, Hasan Ali, Shaheen and Shadab have all done very well so far in their short careers. It is no coincidence that they all got selected for Pakistan after succeeding at PSL which filters out the lower end of the talent pool making the cricket a lot more competitive. Thus providing a more reliable indicator of not only T20I but also ODI potential.

Without PSL, how would you filter out the likes of Sami Aslam, Azhar Ali, Shan Masood, Iftikhar and etc from a list containing Fakhar and Sharjeel for instance if your criteria for selecting ODI batsmen was primarily based on List A performances?

If the standard of List A cricket in Pakistan was up to a decent standard then perhaps we would be having a slightly different discussion taking into account these performances along with their PSL records.
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Not every top team all player is t20 specialist just 2 or3 those who selected in pk team asides from babar and Fakhar are very poor in la
 
I think Sami and Shaan should be in rader for the opening slot if Imam becomes out of form. For now Imam is doing pretty well, his uncle is selector so no chance. Saud Shakkel should play in place of Hafeez
 
Shaan Masood deserves a chance , with the amount of performances he has given. Give him 4 - 5 innings at least.

Saud Shakeel can be perfect for Middle order batsman who can chip in with 4 - 5 overs of spin. He and harris sohail can be very effective combo of spin option specially in Asia.
 
Mainul said:
I think Sami and Shaan should be in rader for the opening slot if Imam becomes out of form. For now Imam is doing pretty well, his uncle is selector so no chance. Saud Shakkel should play in place of Hafeez
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Yah saud should definitely select in team, imam is poor against good teams if he failed against sa then we try shaan and sami
 
Abdullah Rabbani said:
Yah saud should definitely select in team, imam is poor against good teams if he failed against sa then we try shaan and sami
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Imam did play well in Asia cup, so don't discard him against good teams yet. Doing well in SA is the most difficult job for a subcontinent player. I have seen Shaan. He has technical issues outside off stump and an easy candidate for catch behind stump in swinging or seaming condition. Sami has very goid technique . He is actually my favorite pick as an opener in tests and ODIs. Imam is good so far. Masood may do well in Asia condition but I am not sure, off late he has been piling runs in domestic list A.
 
Saud is not selected for pak a vs england lions 5 odi match series despite poor average player like m saad, ali imran and adil amin was selected what the hell is going on first management played him at no6 now dropped
 
Shan Masood Scored 161 on 133ball's @sr 121.05 Four 18 Six 2 Against England Lion in 1 ODI,

He changed his game look's now beast.
 
Shan should play every odi in SA so that we can see what progress he has made.Imam on the toes....
 
Tragedy in Pakistan cricket, why can't selectors use their brains. Shan Masood's list A average is fantastic but still selectors put him in Test squads. He deserves a fair chance in ODI's over handicaped Imam ul haq.
 
ShahidDar08 said:
Tragedy in Pakistan cricket, why can't selectors use their brains. Shan Masood's list A average is fantastic but still selectors put him in Test squads. He deserves a fair chance in ODI's over handicaped Imam ul haq.
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Wrong format slection spoiled our many good batsman
 
Abdullah Rabbani said:
Yah saud should definitely select in team, imam is poor against good teams if he failed against sa then we try shaan and sami
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Imam is not poor.

The thing is that you select the best of the group , in which there are times when good players also miss out. Saud is much better batsman , also a viable part time bowling option.
 
None of Shan, Sami and Imam (that are being discussed here) are what we need in ODIs, although Shan can be tried in few ODIs(maybe he has worked on his game). We need dynamic openers who can bat like Warner, Roy, Bairstow, Dhawan, Sharma, Guptil, Munro, Sharjeel and deKock.
 
Muhammad Saad scoring a very good hundred in the List 'A' game destroys the credibility of the statsgurus here. There is more to a selector's job than simply looking at numbers.
 
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