"Pakistan's bowling attack is going to be a force to reckon with in the future" : David Warner

[Abdullah719]

"Pakistan's bowling attack is going to be a force to reckon with in the future" : David Warner

David Warner after play on Day 2:

"Naseem Shah is very skiddy, he's got a nice fluent action"

"He won't get a harder Test debut than being out there at the Gabba. To keep coming back in and having to back up the overs in that heat, you ask any Test fast-bowler, it's very challenging out there. Our job as batsmen is to keep them coming back"

"He kept his speed up throughout the whole day. At the back end, he cramped up a little bit, that's going to happen but there's a superstar there, just like when Mohammad Amir came on the scene for the first time, he was rapid and had us all in a pickle, he was a world class bowler. If you had him in the Test lineup as well, their depth is ridiculous"

"Having young guys like Musa and Hasnain who I faced in the T20Is, if Waqar Younis can get a hold of them and get their lines and lengths and their engines going, they're going to be a force to reckon with in the future"

 

[dhump]

They are just too kind and professional.

 

[IMMY69]

They are just too kind and professional.

Either that or we're just so bad that the only thing they feel they can do is to encourage us...

 

[Shoaib88]

Either that or we're just so bad that the only thing they feel they can do is to encourage us...

lol this is probably the harsh reality.

 

[Shoaib88]

After the day ending at 312/1 for australia and warner himself scoring unbeaten 151, it almost feels like he is ridiculing pakistanis when he says stuff like "their depth is ridiculous".

 

[Mainul]

Warner knows it well that these compliments ruin a subcontinent player.

 

[topspin]

Our bitter ex-players could take a leaf out of the Aussies with how to speak on the media in a dignified manner.

For the record, Warner is being respectful but in his mind he is relishing another potential 90 overs out in the middle

 

[Mamoon]

Warner’s recent good guy act is getting boring now. I miss the old bully, his true self.

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Warner’s recent good guy act is getting boring now. I miss the old bully, his true self.

Who would bully this lot? Goes to show how we're viewed as opponents.

 

[Titan24]

Warner is a test vetran and he knows what he is taking about. He doesnt say such things about every other team as they dont have teenage bowlers running in and bowling fastest deliveries of the match, out bowling Aussie pacers in Aus in terms of pace and that too with decent accuracy.

In next 3-4 years when they have some test match experience under their belt they will surely be a force but definitely hard work would need to be put in as you dont become a force and eventually a world class performer if you are t hungry enough.

 

[Titan24]

David Warner after play on Day 2:

"Having young guys like Musa and Hasnain who I faced in the T20Is, if Waqar Younis can get a hold of them and get their lines and lengths and their engines going, they're going to be a force to reckon with in the future"

Its the key point.

 

[Titan24]

Also many rate Mohammad Asif here highly in terms of skillset and Amir to an extent as well. They should check their debuts and record in Australia.

Its a really tough place to debut and I think both Naseem and Shaheen have bowled decently considering all the factors. At this age you can just bowl decent areas with pace and they have done that to an extent, their wasnt much in the wicket to assist them in anyway.

 

[BaankeJi]

Warner knows it well that these compliments ruin a subcontinent player.

It is all conspiracy. World is out to get people from subcontinent.

 

[AMSS]

Warner’s recent good guy act is getting boring now. I miss the old bully, his true self.

Ad dollars won't come without redeeming himself with sweet media bytes.

 

[DrSchultz]

They don't see us as equals but as minnows, hence have to give out these statements to encourage us. I imagine they all have a laugh about it when they go back to the dressing rooms.

 

[Pete Rose]

Did Pakistan also have to do end of day press? Would have been nice to Misbah to front up so that he can explain to us all how well Imran Khan bowled

 

[sindhiboy]

They are just too kind and professional.

From what I observed, aussies are actually direct and say what's on their minds.

Unless they are playing mind games (which proves to be the case many times)
He is genuinely praising Naseem shah. He has the perfect action and is consistently fast.

He is a young prodigy. He just needs to develop. Most great cricketers had bad debuts. And this pitch 2nd day was very flat.
When Naseem tours again in 4 years time, he will be much better.

I enjoyed watching watching him bowl even through he was smacked around for many deliveries

 

[wrongun]

Also many rate Mohammad Asif here highly in terms of skillset and Amir to an extent as well. They should check their debuts and record in Australia.

Its a really tough place to debut and I think both Naseem and Shaheen have bowled decently considering all the factors. At this age you can just bowl decent areas with pace and they have done that to an extent, their wasnt much in the wicket to assist them in anyway.

I wouldn't put either on the scrapheap after bowling on day 2 of the GABA on their first tour, without even a logical spearhead to guide them- surely Abbas? Not a journeyman trundler who isn't even a team regular! One teenager is an exciting edge of energy to an attack. Two teenagers with no senior bowler in oz is really getting thrown to the wolves stuff.

Ive seen enough of SHaheen- he can be a good bowler.
Naseem- well he has pace. He will need to add swing & smarts too. With his size, he should look to emulate Waqar or Steyn for advice. He'll need to be smart, full more often than not & swing it.

 

[Shafi]

Did Pakistan also have to do end of day press? Would have been nice to Misbah to front up so that he can explain to us all how well Imran Khan bowled

Don't think Misbah has anyone to answer. He has given too much power. He can send anyone for press conference when in Australia then himself when in Pakistan.

 

[wrongun]

They don't see us as equals but as minnows, hence have to give out these statements to encourage us. I imagine they all have a laugh about it when they go back to the dressing rooms.

Honestly that's not how we operate.

He's a teenage cricketer, everyone in the Aussie squad was in the same place at one stage. They won't destroy a teenager in the press - a captain or star player they might though!

He's bowled quick and stood eyeball to eyeball to Warner- that is respected here, not insulting to the senior, it is something you WANT to see in a young player here.

From what I observed, aussies are actually direct and say what's on their minds.

Unless they are playing mind games (which proves to be the case many times)
He is genuinely praising Naseem shah. He has the perfect action and is consistently fast.

He is a young prodigy. He just needs to develop. Most great cricketers had bad debuts. And this pitch 2nd day was very flat.
When Naseem tours again in 4 years time, he will be much better.

I enjoyed watching watching him bowl even through he was smacked around for many deliveries

I agree. This team is trying to reshape the public image here a little bit from the bad old days- you don't see Cummins being as nasty as McGrath right? Paine is less harsh than S Waugh or Ponting. They aren't using a 16 year old for mind games.

We like quick bowlers. He's quick. We'd rather watch him than THIS Imran Khan for sure. So we'll praise him.

Remember Amir was universally praised and rated highly here after his first tour when he bowled lightning quick without much reward (some bad luck & dropped catches s usual) but we all said he's be a star. And he was.

You can win fans here by being good & pouring your heart into it (we loved Kumble too). Fans are still a bit sour after the Sydney fix but we appreciate Naseem & wish him well. The whole world likes Archer right? Its not so different.

 

[Shazzam]

Australian players giving more confidence than the coaching staff. Even though these sweet words are mind games. He clearly does not mean this in a good way.

 

[Abdullah719]

Did Pakistan also have to do end of day press? Would have been nice to Misbah to front up so that he can explain to us all how well Imran Khan bowled

Yasir Shah came and spoke for a couple of minutes. Didn't look comfortable at all...

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[jnaveen1980]

Seam presentations of the bowlers are poor which is why they were unable to extract any movement against openers with new ball. Cummins also doesn't hold the seam very well. But he hits consistent line and length. Ebadat Hossain from BD has better seam presentation.

 

[ARK Rafay]

With this current setup and people in PCB we'll remain mediocre in all faucets of the game even after 2-3 years

 

[Birdman]

Warner trying trying cheeky and mr nice guy. It’s like Aussie commentators saying 16 YO everytime Naseen came on to bowl.

 

[Green Patriot]

This hurts so bad.
Even they feel sorry for us.Utterly humiliating stuff.

 

[Rightarmfast]

I dont understand whats wrong with Pakistani fans. This is a young team. You cant expect them to win against Australia. But take this as a practise for the next series. Ofcourse Naseem and the guys are good prospects. Nobody is being nice.
Its just the fact. Expecting Pakistan to win is only going to hurt. But its a good step forward.

 

[Savak]

Imran Khan's and Yasir Shah's lack of penetration meant young Nasim and Shaheen had to end up bowling more overs. A 4th seamer should have played

 

[Desi]

lmao

the pity they have for us is so embarrassing

need someone to end our misery

 

[ExplicitAI]

It's the same thing from Aus cricketers again after every series played, they just like to compliment us knowing they've won the match already.

 

[Shazzam]

It's the same thing from Aus cricketers again after every series played, they just like to compliment us knowing they've won the match already.

Of course. Who doesn’t love a early Christmas present?

 

[Captain caveman]

I believe that warner is being genuine.
Naseem is 16 and shaheen is 19 and they bowl beautifully, it just that the kookaburra ball offered no swing or seam and the pitch was a pancake.
And lets give warner and burns the credit they deserve, they batted beautifully, burns was unlucky not to get a century and warner is on 150 and still going!

 

[jnaveen1980]

I dont understand whats wrong with Pakistani fans. This is a young team. You cant expect them to win against Australia. But take this as a practise for the next series. Ofcourse Naseem and the guys are good prospects. Nobody is being nice.
Its just the fact. Expecting Pakistan to win is only going to hurt. But its a good step forward.

This. Unrealistic expectations lead to disappointment. Keep the expectations low and be prepared to be surprised. Pakistan is inferior to Australia in all 3 departments in addition to mental strength, tactics, temperament.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

I dont understand whats wrong with Pakistani fans. This is a young team. You cant expect them to win against Australia. But take this as a practise for the next series. Ofcourse Naseem and the guys are good prospects. Nobody is being nice.
Its just the fact. Expecting Pakistan to win is only going to hurt. But its a good step forward.

The problem is we almost always have good prospects. But they're not managed properly and fade out or aren't able to take their game to the next level. Bowlers like Amir, Junaid and Abbas etc were expected to take this team forward. But where are they now? In Pakistan cricket it is more likely for Shaheen, Musa and Naseem to be out of favour by the next Australian tour than be back building on what they learned.

 

[Relic]

Warner's not going to get his double hundred IMO
He's probably going to score 5-10 more runs and get out which will result in a collapse. Aus will have a lead of around 180.

Let's see how well this ages

 

[Chief Destroyer]

I believe that warner is being genuine.
Naseem is 16 and shaheen is 19 and they bowl beautifully, it just that the kookaburra ball offered no swing or seam and the pitch was a pancake.
And lets give warner and burns the credit they deserve, they batted beautifully, burns was unlucky not to get a century and warner is on 150 and still going!

Naseem is 18-19. Shaheen is 21. Hasnain is 20.

 

[Saj]

There's a lot of hard work and lots to learn for these young lads.

We seem to be missing a generation of pace bowlers and ideally the 26 to 30 year old pacers should be the ones carrying the attack in Australia.

 

[Titan24]

We seem to be missing a generation of pace bowlers and ideally the 26 to 30 year old pacers should be the ones carrying the attack in Australia.

True. Amir destroyed his career while Junaid's career got effected by injuries. These three were the best test bowling pace prospects in before this young lot as their test stats also speak. Still not sure if its the fitness of Junaid that he havent played a test for some years now, he has just took a decent 4fer against Baluchistan and looks in decent 4 day form.

In Ideal scenario's atleast couple of them should have been leading the attack by now. Amir and Junaid's experience was one of the keys in success of the bowling department when we won CT 17. Even Sohail Khan played a decent role in Eng in 2016 series which Pak was able to draw 2-2 so reasonably skillful experienced pacers are important for the present success of any team.

 

[Saj]

True. Amir destroyed his career while Junaid's career got effected by injuries. These three were the best test bowling pace prospects in before this young lot as their test stats also speak. Still not sure if its the fitness of Junaid that he havent played a test for some years now, he has just took a decent 4fer against Baluchistan and looks in decent 4 day form.

In Ideal scenario's atleast couple of them should have been leading the attack by now. Amir and Junaid's experience was one of the keys in success of the bowling department when we won CT 17. Even Sohail Khan played a decent role in Eng in 2016 series which Pak was able to draw 2-2 so reasonably skillful experienced pacers are important for the present success of any team.

In an ideal world the attack would be the likes of Amir, Wahab, Hassan and Abbas. But for one reason or another Pakistan have made a mess of things.

 

[Pete Rose]

In an ideal world the attack would be the likes of Amir, Wahab, Hassan and Abbas. But for one reason or another Pakistan have made a mess of things.

Players are getting call ups or getting sidelined from one formats on basis of performance/nonperformance in another format.

 

[Relic]

In an ideal world the attack would be the likes of Amir, Wahab, Hassan and Abbas. But for one reason or another Pakistan have made a mess of things.

You really want a repeat of the 2017 lineup??
Wahab and Amir got smacked in 2017

But I assume you're talking about if we had developed these two players then this would have been our best lineup.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

You really want a repeat of the 2017 lineup??
Wahab and Amir got smacked in 2017

But I assume you're talking about if we had developed these two players then this would have been our best lineup.

How about the World Cup bowlers
Wahab, amir and shahen shah


Personally I would have picked shinwari and junaid and even umar gul
Shinwari was the main man against Sri lanka

 

[Caved12]

In an ideal world the attack would be the likes of Amir, Wahab, Hassan and Abbas. But for one reason or another Pakistan have made a mess of things.

Hope you are doing well Saj bhai! Respect for all the work you put in to run Pakpassion. Keep rising brother!

Shaheen, Amir, Naseem, Hasan, Abbas, Wahab, and Hasnain are all good enough talent to seriously trouble any opposition, but not sure if playing for Pakistan means much for them or should I say it is not like how it used to be. Back in days, we had fantastic bowlers who were heavily involved in some fishy business, yet they had a switch, when turned on, would destroy the opposition. But these days, it is all about making money and playing these mickey mouse tournaments. Little bit of fame and money and that's it, they think they have achieved it all. I am a very small time player who has been playing club cricket for more than a decade now and in my 20s, I think I was a garbage bowler, but later in my career, I worked hard, added some muscle by doing strength and cross training and became a bowler who can at least land a bowl in good areas and somewhat use the seam properly. Absolutely not suggesting that I am an expert as I still think that I have a long way to go, but the point I am trying to make is that we still have enough talent who can become world beaters if their mind is in right place.

Hasan Ali - how did he forget to land the bowl in good areas is beyond me, especially after being so good at it.

Amir - Exceptional talent who does not believe in working hard or giving his 100% or playing for Pakistan.

Wahab - I don't question his commitment as he does work hard and gives 110% every game, was able to perform well in that world cup against Watson/Australia and was amazing in this last world cup as well. Should be consistent, but not sure what happens to him every now and then. I have never been able to understand him as a bowler.

Shaheen - I would kill to have his height as all he needs to do is bowl line and length, use that fourth stump channel and his height will do the rest. Very talented young fellow and I am hoping that he would become the next superstar.

Abbas - We Pakistani fans forget very quickly. He averages 18 in test and you drop him for Imran Khan. Talk about giving confidence and building the career of your best bowler in test cricket. Misbah should get fired for bringing Akmal, Shahzad and Imran and kiilling the team chemistry completely. We were bad, but not that bad. Not too long ago, Steyn got excited and tweeted that Abbas was going to become the number 1 bowler soon and few others as well. I guess they all were blind.

Hasnain has raw talent and can become very good if he works hard.

Naseem is special and sky is the limit for him.

I love Pakistan cricket and cricket has always been my life, but it makes me very sad to see that we have become a joke of a cricket team. Just can't take this any more. My brother would wake up at 3 am in morning and watch any test match, whether Pakistan was playing or not. He was a regular poster here and was the one who found this forum and introduced me to it, but now it has been two years and he has not watched any match. Occasionally he would watch few minutes of it with me and say that I am wasting my time on these guys as they don't care much about Pakistan and are only in it for money and fame. Very sad to see all this.

 

[Relic]

How about the World Cup bowlers
Wahab, amir and shahen shah


Personally I would have picked shinwari and junaid and even umar gul
Shinwari was the main man against Sri lanka

Shaheen hasn't impressed us at all.
He is very inexperienced.
If there is any fast bowler in the domestic circuit who's setting the stage on fire then bring him in. If not, our current bowling lineup, barring yasir and Imran, is decent.

I would have this attack:
Shaheen, Naseem, Abbas and Yasir

Imran khan is not going to get us anywhere

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Shaheen hasn't impressed us at all.
He is very inexperienced.
If there is any fast bowler in the domestic circuit who's setting the stage on fire then bring him in. If not, our current bowling lineup, barring yasir and Imran, is decent.

I would have this attack:
Shaheen, Naseem, Abbas and Yasir

Imran khan is not going to get us anywhere

On form it will be ehsan adil and zia ul haq
They’re top of the charts

 

[Dr_Bassim]

From what I observed, aussies are actually direct and say what's on their minds.

Unless they are playing mind games (which proves to be the case many times)
He is genuinely praising Naseem shah. He has the perfect action and is consistently fast.

He is a young prodigy. He just needs to develop. Most great cricketers had bad debuts. And this pitch 2nd day was very flat.
When Naseem tours again in 4 years time, he will be much better.

I enjoyed watching watching him bowl even through he was smacked around for many deliveries

Waqar is considered a certified ATG and whats his return in Australia ?

I am sorry but there is no guarantee that bowlers who return after 04 years will still continue to he hopeless.

I have nothing against Naseem but stop hyping him as even an ATG like Waqar has poor results in Australia.

 

[Aman]

He's right, despite what the scorecard reads Naseem was super impressive.

Naseem and Shaeen have the potential to be a fantastic duo for Pakistan in a few years time.

 

[MMHS]

I think, Warner handled it perfectly. He had to say something positive for the tourists who are bundled on day 1 for 240, then conceded 312/1 in 2nd day. What else can he say positive for the PAK team?

I don’t think he was making fun of PAK team, rather praised something that he can explain.

 

[Abdullah]

There's a lot of hard work and lots to learn for these young lads.

We seem to be missing a generation of pace bowlers and ideally the 26 to 30 year old pacers should be the ones carrying the attack in Australia.

We left out out sub 19 AVG bowler!!
It's beyond me. It's hard enough as it is without shooting yourself in the foot.

I'm hurt by misbah.i supported him a lot as a player, but I'm actually coming around to thinking he was very limited cricketer.

 

[Buffet]

Warner couldn't have said , Pakistani batting and bowling has been poor. He had to pick something positive in opposition. He wasn't mocking.

 

[Saj]

You really want a repeat of the 2017 lineup??
Wahab and Amir got smacked in 2017

But I assume you're talking about if we had developed these two players then this would have been our best lineup.

Yes, those bowlers at their best, rather than teenagers and a guy who has not played for a few years.

 

[CleverSir]

There's a lot of hard work and lots to learn for these young lads.

We seem to be missing a generation of pace bowlers and ideally the 26 to 30 year old pacers should be the ones carrying the attack in Australia.

100% agreed. Abbas should of played in place of Imran. Terrible decision. Inexcusable in my book. He's got come experience under his belt and could've guided Naseem and Afridi along. Also Iftikhar was an iffy selection but not uncalled for, maybe Shadab would've been a better option. He had a good few practice games. Australia requires variance in attack.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Good words by Warner but we have no future with Misbah the coach and azhar the captain.

 

[Rana]

Naseem Shah
Hasnain
Musa
Shaheen

I hope this 4 is worth the hype 5 years from now

 

[Titan24]

In an ideal world the attack would be the likes of Amir, Wahab, Hassan and Abbas. But for one reason or another Pakistan have made a mess of things.

Hassan will comeback into the scheme of things. Amir’s unavailability is a disappointment while Wahab is 35 so it makes sense for him to take retirement from test.

So realistically we will see Hassan, Abbas in future supported by Shaheen or Naseem on away tours and in sub continent most probably two of these 4 will play alongside 2 spinners unless pitch offers something for the pacers.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Hassan will comeback into the scheme of things. Amir’s unavailability is a disappointment while Wahab is 35 so it makes sense for him to take retirement from test.

So realistically we will see Hassan, Abbas in future supported by Shaheen or Naseem on away tours and in sub continent most probably two of these 4 will play alongside 2 spinners unless pitch offers something for the pacers.

Hassan is useless test cricket. We need someone like Sameen Gul in.

 

[Hyperion66]

Warner's not going to get his double hundred IMO
He's probably going to score 5-10 more runs and get out which will result in a collapse. Aus will have a lead of around 180.

Let's see how well this ages

Cricket is a game of glorious uncertainties, I for one won't be surprised if that happens, but I just don't see Pak scoring more than 150 though in the second innings tbh.

 

[MenInG]

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[sharmaji]

SSA and Naseem Shah bowled well today. They definitely have the potential and talent. With time, they should do well.

 

[andy0204]

Seam presentations of the bowlers are poor which is why they were unable to extract any movement against openers with new ball. Cummins also doesn't hold the seam very well. But he hits consistent line and length. Ebadat Hossain from BD has better seam presentation.

Cummins middle finger tip is lost.

 

[therealAB]

Seam presentations of the bowlers are poor which is why they were unable to extract any movement against openers with new ball. Cummins also doesn't hold the seam very well. But he hits consistent line and length. Ebadat Hossain from BD has better seam presentation.

Cummins get enough movement to trouble the batsmen.

He clean bowled a lot of players in the Ashes, you don't do that by bowling gun-barrel straight

McGrath is probably the most effective bowler of the last 30 years and he did so by just moving it a little each way

 

[Sidilicious]

The problem is we almost always have good prospects. But they're not managed properly and fade out or aren't able to take their game to the next level. Bowlers like Amir, Junaid and Abbas etc were expected to take this team forward. But where are they now? In Pakistan cricket it is more likely for Shaheen, Musa and Naseem to be out of favour by the next Australian tour than be back building on what they learned.

And that's the problem. IMHO, its a mistake to take a 16 yo fast bowler to Australia, just as it was to bring in Shaheen so early into the national team.

Just because a player has pace, does not mean he will trouble the batsman. And if the kid is not mentally strong, will probably be scarred for a while. Cricket has unfortunately moved from the 80s and 90s, where you could bring in a talent like Waqar, who doesnt have much first class experience, and expect them to learn from the senior players. Those days, lots of first class matches were played on tours. It allowed Waqar to pick up skills slowly.

Nowadays, there is cricket non stop. There is no time to learn during tours as players get straight into test matches or ODIs or T20s. They are constantly competing, and you do not pick in hard skills while you are playing at the highest level of cricket. This is especially true for bowlers.

Bringing in young batsmen is a lot easier, as a decent technique and hand eye coordination allows one to score runs at international level. Bowlers need more than pace and a stock ball. They need to master swing, seam etc.

By the time these bowlers start to pick up those skills they would have gone through a lot against tough opposition. If they are not mentally strong enough (which not many 16 yo are, unless you are a Sachin or Waqar) it would have an impact on their life. Look at Amir for example.

A couple of years of first class cricket (with special attention on these talents from national academies) will help them develop their bowling and mental skills.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

And that's the problem. IMHO, its a mistake to take a 16 yo fast bowler to Australia, just as it was to bring in Shaheen so early into the national team.

Just because a player has pace, does not mean he will trouble the batsman. And if the kid is not mentally strong, will probably be scarred for a while. Cricket has unfortunately moved from the 80s and 90s, where you could bring in a talent like Waqar, who doesnt have much first class experience, and expect them to learn from the senior players. Those days, lots of first class matches were played on tours. It allowed Waqar to pick up skills slowly.

Nowadays, there is cricket non stop. There is no time to learn during tours as players get straight into test matches or ODIs or T20s. They are constantly competing, and you do not pick in hard skills while you are playing at the highest level of cricket. This is especially true for bowlers.

Bringing in young batsmen is a lot easier, as a decent technique and hand eye coordination allows one to score runs at international level. Bowlers need more than pace and a stock ball. They need to master swing, seam etc.

By the time these bowlers start to pick up those skills they would have gone through a lot against tough opposition. If they are not mentally strong enough (which not many 16 yo are, unless you are a Sachin or Waqar) it would have an impact on their life. Look at Amir for example.

A couple of years of first class cricket (with special attention on these talents from national academies) will help them develop their bowling and mental skills.

This is a solid analysis.

Like you said, there’s just too much cricket on these days. And cricket has become very professional as well.

Look at Labuschagne for example. He’s 25 now and he just got his first century in his 10th Test match. He had a fairly rocky start to his career this year, but his skills were developed enough and he was mentally in a stable enough place that the Aussies persisted with him.

If Pakistan had a guy with half his talent, we would’ve fast tracked him into the team at 17. Seen him fail at his first two tours and then would’ve dropped him till he was 27-28. Not only is that psychologically damaging for young players but it’s also bad for your own cricket.

We NEED to nurture the players more. All you hear is that the academies are just not good enough. That needs to be addressed. We need to start sending more age group and A teams to ENG, AUS, SA so they see how those conditions are and the coaches can tell which of them have the aptitude to play there. Otherwise we’ll keep having all our faith in Iftikhar who looks a solid player but just doesn’t seem to have the game for AUS with bat or ball.

Pakistan will be a permanent member of the bottom 6 from now on if they keep hoping for ‘80s wonder selections to save them. IND, ENG, AUS, NZ are miles ahead. NZ has like 4 million people to our 220 mil. It’s not a lack of talent by any means.

 

[Relic]

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The inexperience is really showing from our bowling unit. But what excuse do our experienced batsmen have??
Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq have really disappointed

 

[Saj]

And that's the problem. IMHO, its a mistake to take a 16 yo fast bowler to Australia, just as it was to bring in Shaheen so early into the national team.

Just because a player has pace, does not mean he will trouble the batsman. And if the kid is not mentally strong, will probably be scarred for a while. Cricket has unfortunately moved from the 80s and 90s, where you could bring in a talent like Waqar, who doesnt have much first class experience, and expect them to learn from the senior players. Those days, lots of first class matches were played on tours. It allowed Waqar to pick up skills slowly.

Nowadays, there is cricket non stop. There is no time to learn during tours as players get straight into test matches or ODIs or T20s. They are constantly competing, and you do not pick in hard skills while you are playing at the highest level of cricket. This is especially true for bowlers.

Bringing in young batsmen is a lot easier, as a decent technique and hand eye coordination allows one to score runs at international level. Bowlers need more than pace and a stock ball. They need to master swing, seam etc.

By the time these bowlers start to pick up those skills they would have gone through a lot against tough opposition. If they are not mentally strong enough (which not many 16 yo are, unless you are a Sachin or Waqar) it would have an impact on their life. Look at Amir for example.

A couple of years of first class cricket (with special attention on these talents from national academies) will help them develop their bowling and mental skills.

And this is where poor planning comes into the equation, together with the likes of Amir's retirement.

 

[Titan24]

The inexperience is really showing from our bowling unit. But what excuse do our experienced batsmen have??
Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq have really disappointed

True. Thing is they aren't consistent enough which already reflects in their averages with Asad averaging 38 and Azhar around 44 is which has come down big time in last 2 years. Teams need atleast 2 50+ averaggig batsmen to be a solid batting unit.

Aus has Smith, while Warner atleast has a 50-60 avg on Aussie grounds. India has Kohli and Pujara and other than that all other teams are struggling with test batting as we have seen in last couple of years.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Either that or we're just so bad that the only thing they feel they can do is to encourage us...

Well, there is some raw talent there in Afridi and Shah. They aren't the finished article yet, and truth be told, there's no guarantee they ever will be. But you can see why Warner might have said it, both of them can produce good deliveries, problem is they are producing too many bad ones at the moment.

 

[Xoib]

Well, there is some raw talent there in Afridi and Shah. They aren't the finished article yet, and truth be told, there's no guarantee they ever will be. But you can see why Warner might have said it, both of them can produce good deliveries, problem is they are producing too many bad ones at the moment.

Both Naseem and Shaheen have very good control the issue is due to lack of fc they lack the art of taking wickets yet

 

[Pete Rose]

Well, there is some raw talent there in Afridi and Shah. They aren't the finished article yet, and truth be told, there's no guarantee they ever will be. But you can see why Warner might have said it, both of them can produce good deliveries, problem is they are producing too many bad ones at the moment.

I am willing to sign away any fortune I might ever possess that none of these bowlers will be playing when Pakistan tours Australia for their one off test series. They will drop either of them form the test team because they will have bowled poorly in a t20. And of course Misbah’s plan to take us to number 4 in the test ranking will mean playing 4 zulfiqar babar type bowlers at home tests

 

[sharmaji]

Yes. Also, bowling is done in partnerships. While SSA and Naseem Shah bowled well individually, they were not bowling well as a unit, or even together, apart from the first session today. If these two youngsters were to go on and become legends, they have to learn to bowl effectively as a team.

Well, there is some raw talent there in Afridi and Shah. They aren't the finished article yet, and truth be told, there's no guarantee they ever will be. But you can see why Warner might have said it, both of them can produce good deliveries, problem is they are producing too many bad ones at the moment.