Abdullah719
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Hayden and Gilchrist tooLooks very counter-intuitive to see these kind of run-rates in this T20 age. I remember Sachin-Sehwag days when 100 in 15 overs used to be the norm.
Hayden and Gilchrist too
Surprised to see India's is so low. But tbh Rohit starts pretty slow (but more than makes up for it if he is still batting after a while).


I am surprised to see that we are doing better than Pakistan. Watching Rohit and Dhawan in the first 10 overs has got to be my biggest nightmare. Let's hope things improve with Rahul.
Azhar is the best option we have.Sadly the response to this will be to bring back Azhar who at best is a continuation of the same problems
Looks very counter-intuitive to see these kind of run-rates in this T20 age. I remember Sachin-Sehwag days when 100 in 15 overs used to be the norm.
Yes. This seems to be the era with most useless openers.
Surprised to see India's is so low. But tbh Rohit starts pretty slow (but more than makes up for it if he is still batting after a while).
I am surprised to see that we are doing better than Pakistan. Watching Rohit and Dhawan in the first 10 overs has got to be my biggest nightmare. Let's hope things improve with Rahul.
Does Shahzaib Hasan stand accused of any wrongdoing ? I thought he was only a whistleblower. If his case is cleared - then I'd draft him in and pair him with Babar Azam.
Or even Awais Zia if he's improved his technique and impresses in Pakistan Cup.
I am surprised to see that we are doing better than Pakistan. Watching Rohit and Dhawan in the first 10 overs has got to be my biggest nightmare. Let's hope things improve with Rahul.
even if he is clean draft him based on what?
he did jack in PSL and most of all looked like a deer in the headlights
He only played like 1 game before getting embroiled in the scandal.
He performed well in the Regional One Day Cup, averaging 40 at SR of 122.
Pakistan is sorely lacking powerhitters who can make an impact either at top of the order or in lower order.
Its for that reason why Hussain Talat should also be considered. He averaged 79 at SR of 90 in the same tournament.
Yaar Khurram Manzoor and Khalid Latif averaged 100 or sth in that competition at crazy SR (last year)
also in this One Day cup you mention he had ONE HUGE innings of 171 and failed to even cross 50 in the rest 5 matches. 4 scores were under TEN!!!
And both are now unselectable. Manzoor after the disaster last year and Latif after the fixing saga.
We have to move on and try anyone, the current lot aren't getting us anywhere.
I am liking this Top 5 for CT:
Azhar
Hafeez
Babar
Malik
Sarfraz
Yaar Khurram Manzoor and Khalid Latif averaged 100 or sth in that competition at crazy SR (last year)
also in this One Day cup you mention he had ONE HUGE innings of 171 and failed to even cross 50 in the rest 5 matches. 4 scores were under TEN!!!
Azhar is the best option we have.
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To think that this list includes Sharjeel's output - take him out and the run-rate will drop even more.
And I don't think Shehzad and Kamran are the answer.
Pakistan need to try other options, we can not settle for mediocrity.
Yeah problem with Shehzad is he plays for himself first and eats too many balls. Used to be a diffrent player during his u-19 days.
Kami is good for 30 - 40s at max. Thats why an avg of 26.
Hafeez like Shehzad plays for hismelf first.
Need to try some new openers. But i dont know many apart from Sharjeel.
Surprised to see India's is so low. But tbh Rohit starts pretty slow (but more than makes up for it if he is still batting after a while).
India just above bd !
is rahul playing IPL? how is he doing?
very impressive must say. looked best batsman bar smith for me in the recent series (maybe pujara was better but rahul showed more initiative)
Der se aaye durust aaye bhai... When I said these Ttfs will fail at int. stage again people were like No they have changed they performed so well at Domestic level and all that bull ****. Shehzaad and Kamran are verified and certified TTFS.
And people who supported their inclusion should hang their heads in shame.
Its not a black and white situation.
Its a bit more complex.
Sachin and Sehwag played in an era where only 1 ball was used.
Ball used to get soft so scoring used to get HARDER in middle overs. There was reverse too later on.
Par scores were still around 250-320. A score of 270-280 was not a potentially match losing score.
So it made MORE SENSE to attack upfront, get 100 off 15 overs and let others manage it if we lose wickets. Cos if we get 100 off 15 overs and others bat slowly, still 280-300 would be reached and we would win most games.
That formula DOES NOT work now.
2 new balls.
Reverse swing gone.
Flatter pitches.
You need to aim for 350 in most games. In that situation getting 300-330 can be match winning (assuming your bowlers don't screw it up real bad).
Now add to the fact that unlike our past team which had peak Yuvi, Raina, Dhoni in the middle order....now we are a top heavy team where ALL the heavy lifting has to be done by our top order or we will lose majority of the games.
Dhoni has declined...Yuvi is gone...Rahane is useless....Raina is our only reliable death hitter until the last year.
So now, our openers have a huge load on their shoulders. Scoring in middle overs is EASY which means if you start off right, you can cash in later. If you chase too much too soon and lose wickets, your team will end up with 280 odd and lose a lot of games.
That is why our openers bat take a more cautious route these days.
Of course, not saying they are as good as Sachin or Sehwag...but they don't have the liberty to bat like the Eng, NZ, Aus counterparts for the main reason OUR ODI BATTING STRATEGY SUCKS BIG TIME.
We are winning games because of the quality of a few batsmen...otherwise the strategy is absolutely pathetic.
Even in CT 2017, we will be taking Yuvi, Dhoni and Rahane in the team all of whom can give no guarantee of scoring.
In T20s, our strategy is even worse. The less said about it the better.
So that's the situation.
Our LOI mindset is a few years behind other teams.
To dispel common myth. Ahmed Shehzad performed at domestic, but Akmal was high up in run aggregates (fifth on list) at a patheritc strike rate of 75
So now shehzad is in national team. everyone seen him flopped for the umpteenth time. even in next series he will flop. Then will be aend back to domestic level where he will make heaps of run.
Would you agaon want him for the national duties back?? A player is called TTF for a reason. He has been playong for past 7 years what has be achieved for the team ame a si gle game he won for pak?
What a Pity Yaar :-(
Sharjeel @40 SR 110
Shahzaib @37 SR 107
Would have been ideal opening partners in Champions Trophy.
Before 2011 WC we lost two World Class pacers and now we Lost two best available openers.
Shahzaib 2.0 was much fitter and much improved stroke maker. Shahzaib is one of the rare right hand batsman who could hit a six over cover and extra cover against 137+ deliveries. Has all the shots all round the round. Lately he had started taking singles aswell and playef with maturity and far better temperament.
On the other hand Sharjeel has understood his short comings and had started to take singles of deliveries which were not in his zone while being brutal against deliveries which were in his zone. His consistency had improved and he had very decent last 2 Odi series.
Huge Set back.
Waiting for tribunal now.
Whats the point, another ICC tourney come and gone. Who cares what happens in bilaterals.
We have Asia Cup next year and World Cup in 2019.
Sharjeel will be key.
Hafeez and Azhar will linger around for the WC so that's a write off.
Our T20 team is nearly the best in the world right now so good chance we can win Asia Cup.
WC 2023 is when we can look to challenge for the crown with a mature Babar and experienced captain Sarfraz and fresh faces and hopefully a quality fast bowling AR.
Fakhar has a spot nailed down for the time being but the other spot is a problem.
The run-rate is also not ideal.
No.
It would further weaken our middle-order.
What Pakistan needs is Haris Sohail back in the side to strengthen the middle order. Imam misfiring today doesn't wash away a number of outstanding innings he has played in the past.
Outstanding innings like?
No.
It would further weaken our middle-order.
What Pakistan needs is Haris Sohail back in the side to strengthen the middle order. Imam misfiring today doesn't wash away a number of outstanding innings he has played in the past.