Pakistan's ODI records by the decade

[Ned Flanders]

Jan 2010 till now



Jan 2000 till Dec 2009



Jan 1990 till Dec 1999



We've regressed a lot in the past decade.

The past decade doesn't include Bangladesh, we've lost to them 4 times.

We want changes ever since the beginning of the decade yet we're still at the same stage.

We've just become a poor cricketing nation, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right

 

[barah_admi]

Pakistan post 2010 till about 2016 was very bad at ODI cricket, I don't think anyone would deny that BUT that still included an Asia cup victory, knock out stage progression in the World Cup and the CT. In fact, Pak reaching the semis in 2011 was a huge deal and in reality lost to India due to terrible fielding.

However, post 2016, there has been a lot of progress. The fielding, barring the recent tournament, is second only to England and NZ. We have arguably the best ODI fast bowler in Hasan Ali (Starc and Tahir have arguments of course), a selection of good batsmen and some solid all round cricketers. If they progress well, the decade will end pretty well.

 

[cricket_cfa]

One thing which comes in mind is - after wasim akram pakistan team never looked at the same level. Anyone which can take wickets and troubles the batsman on most occasions is some asset in cricket.

Moving on we need to combination of bowlers who can pick up wickets on most wickets

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Pakistan post 2010 till about 2016 was very bad at ODI cricket, I don't think anyone would deny that BUT that still included an Asia cup victory, knock out stage progression in the World Cup and the CT. In fact, Pak reaching the semis in 2011 was a huge deal and in reality lost to India due to terrible fielding.

However, post 2016, there has been a lot of progress. The fielding, barring the recent tournament, is second only to England and NZ. We have arguably the best ODI fast bowler in Hasan Ali (Starc and Tahir have arguments of course), a selection of good batsmen and some solid all round cricketers. If they progress well, the decade will end pretty well.

Also won away to SA and India. SA with Kallis AB Steyn Smith etc. We aren't great just now but we still produce great results every now and again.

 

[alized]

When you don’t have Fawad Alam, Saad Ali, Salman Butt, Sharjeel Khan, Khalid Latif, Shoaib Maqsood, Rohail Nazir, in your lineup

 

[Ned Flanders]

When you don’t have Fawad Alam, Saad Ali, Salman Butt, Sharjeel Khan, Khalid Latif, Shoaib Maqsood, Rohail Nazir, in your lineup

The only decent player(s) from that list is Butt in ODIs, Sharjeel, Khalid Latif (In t20s).

The rest are trash

 

[BreadPakoda]

WL of 0.4 against India this decade. Pakistan is so lucky for not playing more.

 

[barah_admi]

Also won away to SA and India. SA with Kallis AB Steyn Smith etc. We aren't great just now but we still produce great results every now and again.

I totally forgot about beating the saffers in their backyard. That was a remarkable series win. I remember Junaid Khan doing well.

 

[Ned Flanders]

I totally forgot about beating the saffers in their backyard. That was a remarkable series win. I remember Junaid Khan doing well.

One of the matches we won due to Bilawal Bhatti and Anwar Ali.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

One of the matches we won due to Bilawal Bhatti and Anwar Ali.

Yes I was really hopeful we had found 2 great all rounders....

 

[Ned Flanders]

Yes I was really hopeful we had found 2 great all rounders....

Same.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I totally forgot about beating the saffers in their backyard. That was a remarkable series win. I remember Junaid Khan doing well.

Junaid Khan was phenomenal in 2013/2014. He took like 50 wickets in that period.

 

[Ned Flanders]

We were one helluva side from 2010 August to April 2011.

Afridi should've never been removed as LOI captain.

 

[Ned Flanders]

We've always been a poor side against Australia, England and South Africa

 

[Usman Chadda]

If you look carefully, we have always been awful against Australia and South Africa, and even against England the results are not all that flash. India and New Zealand have improved, hence it looks as if we are far worse now.

For someone who has watched them play, I'm shocked by the amount the 90s team is hyped on here. They would struggle as much as the current lot with the improvements the other sides have made in terms of professionalism in world cricket. That team deserves the tag of one of the most under-performing lot in the history of sports, let alone cricket.

 

[Ned Flanders]

If you look carefully, we have always been awful against Australia and South Africa, and even against England the results are not all that flash. India and New Zealand have improved, hence it looks as if we are far worse now.

For someone who has watched them play, I'm shocked by the amount the 90s team is hyped on here. They would struggle as much as the current lot with the improvements the other sides have made in terms of professionalism in world cricket. That team deserves the tag of one of the most under-performing lot in the history of sports, let alone cricket.

Not only that but we're struggling against Bangladesh of all countries.

I guess we've always been an average side, the only difference is now others teams have improved.

 

[Dingolfy]

Pakistan post 2010 till about 2016 was very bad at ODI cricket, I don't think anyone would deny that BUT that still included an Asia cup victory, knock out stage progression in the World Cup and the CT. In fact, Pak reaching the semis in 2011 was a huge deal and in reality lost to India due to terrible fielding.

However, post 2016, there has been a lot of progress. The fielding, barring the recent tournament, is second only to England and NZ. We have arguably the best ODI fast bowler in Hasan Ali (Starc and Tahir have arguments of course), a selection of good batsmen and some solid all round cricketers. If they progress well, the decade will end pretty well.

Lol,What? Better than Australia,Indian and England? Even in the 2017 CT, your team fielded poorly and dropped many catches. And its all youngsters who dropped catches and fielded poorly in this tournament.
Fielding is a basic skill and by the looks of how your U 19 fielded in the recent WC, I don't think that is coached well at your junior levels. You can try teaching it at senior level, but once the pressure is ON you will go back to what you have learned in the junior ranks.

 

[Dingolfy]

To me, your strength was always bowling. From 2010s, the increasingly FLAT pitches and two new balls have made that weaker.And on such pattas, your fielding has to be top notch and as the chances would be rare and sometimes you have to manufacture it like Jaddu often does. Your batsmen and fielders are both stuck in the 90's ways and your fast bowlers are handicapped due the new changes. Unless Imran makes some drastic changes in your system, your team will be losing much more matches.

 

[topspin]

Pakistan post 2010 till about 2016 was very bad at ODI cricket, I don't think anyone would deny that BUT that still included an Asia cup victory, knock out stage progression in the World Cup and the CT. In fact, Pak reaching the semis in 2011 was a huge deal and in reality lost to India due to terrible fielding.

However, post 2016, there has been a lot of progress. The fielding, barring the recent tournament, is second only to England and NZ. We have arguably the best ODI fast bowler in Hasan Ali (Starc and Tahir have arguments of course), a selection of good batsmen and some solid all round cricketers. If they progress well, the decade will end pretty well.

Good joke lol and that's coming from a Hasan Ali fan too. The green tints of the hype brigade never cease to amaze me.

 

[topspin]

If you look carefully, we have always been awful against Australia and South Africa, and even against England the results are not all that flash. India and New Zealand have improved, hence it looks as if we are far worse now.

For someone who has watched them play, I'm shocked by the amount the 90s team is hyped on here. They would struggle as much as the current lot with the improvements the other sides have made in terms of professionalism in world cricket. That team deserves the tag of one of the most under-performing lot in the history of sports, let alone cricket.

The current side isn't even half as good as the 90s side. That was an ATG ODI team if you go by paper alone. They made 99 WC final as well which was a WC they should have won.

 

[Ned Flanders]

The current side isn't even half as good as the 90s side. That was an ATG ODI team if you go by paper alone. They made 99 WC final as well which was a WC they should have won.

The 90s side is overrated, they may have been great on paper but on the field they were average

 

[Dingolfy]

The current side isn't even half as good as the 90s side. That was an ATG ODI team if you go by paper alone. They made 99 WC final as well which was a WC they should have won.

But their batting and fielding would be exposed on today's pitches.

 

[topspin]

But their batting and fielding would be exposed on today's pitches.

Yes on the field they didn't perform to their abilities because they were an unprofessional bunch with low work ethic and fitness standards however they had a lot more quality, firepower, guts and were lot more intimidating than the current bunch of timid kittens in the current team. I don't agree their batting would have been exposed in fact Pakistan was playing a more modern brand of cricket with the likes of Anwar and Afridi opening the batting followed by late order hitting all rounders. They were ahead of their time in fact.

 

[Ned Flanders]

Yes on the field they didn't perform to their abilities because they were an unprofessional bunch with low work ethic and fitness standards however they had a lot more quality, firepower, guts and were lot more intimidating than the current bunch of timid kittens in the current team.

What is the point in having all of that if it didn't result in us winning more matches?

If it wasn't for those reasons they'd probably have the same record as the current team.

Face it, Pak cricketers have been average at best as a whole.

 

[topspin]

What is the point in having all of that if it didn't result in us winning more matches?

If it wasn't for those reasons they'd probably have the same record as the current team.

Face it, Pak cricketers have been average at best as a whole.

Pakistan was a top 4 ODI side in the 90s, in a far tougher era to put things into perspective.

 

[Ned Flanders]

Pakistan was a top 4 ODI side in the 90s, in a far tougher era to put things into perspective.

Only because our punching bags were NZ and IND.

We've always been poor against SA/AUS/ENG.

 

[topspin]

Only because our punching bags were NZ and IND.

We've always been poor against SA/AUS/ENG.

All I'm saying is if you had to give me the choice of 90s team or the current side to play ODIs in today's era, I would pick the former without any hesitation because that team had some ODI ATGs in Saeed Anwar, Saqlain, Wasim and etc while most of the others were ODI legends.

In the current side I'm not sure we will produce any legends let alone ATGs from the XI that played in the Asia Cup but I have high hopes for SSA.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The current side isn't even half as good as the 90s side. That was an ATG ODI team if you go by paper alone. They made 99 WC final as well which was a WC they should have won.

What’s the point of having world class/ATG talent if you don’t perform? That team built its legacy on bullying rubbish teams like India. They had their fair share of humiliations too, and most of them wouldn’t have survived in this era of social media where every gali da puttar has an opinion on how they should hold a bat or ball.

 

[Usman Chadda]

All I'm saying is if you had to give me the choice of 90s team or the current side to play ODIs in today's era, I would pick the former without any hesitation because that team had some ODI ATGs in Saeed Anwar, Saqlain, Wasim and etc while most of the others were ODI legends.

In the current side I'm not sure we will produce any legends let alone ATGs from the XI that played in the Asia Cup but I have high hopes for SSA.

Massive Saeed Anwar fan here, but he performed worse than Salman Butt did against Australia in Australia. I’m not sure if you remember or if you have really watched the 90s team, but atleast I can accept my team’s performance right now more so than I did back then. When you have a world class bowling attack and a decent enough batting line-up, to watch them disintegrate to a Jayasuriya assault or a McGrath/Warne detonation time and again was even more disheartening to see.

 

[topspin]

What’s the point of having world class/ATG talent if you don’t perform? That team built its legacy on bullying rubbish teams like India. They had their fair share of humiliations too, and most of them wouldn’t have survived in this era of social media where every gali da puttar has an opinion on how they should hold a bat or ball.

Because even with their lack of professionalism and poor work ethic, they were still a top 4 ODI side in the 90s which was a far tougher era. The biggest problem with Pakistan's players today (and in recent years) is actually mentally, they don't have the swagger and fearless streak like the teams of the 90s did. It was only 2 years ago during ODI series in England when Michael Atherton and Nasser Hussain called the Pakistan team "a bunch of timid kittens" - that sums it up really for me.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Because even with their lack of professionalism and poor work ethic, they were still a top 4 ODI side in the 90s which was a far tougher era. The biggest problem with Pakistan's players today (and in recent years) is actually mentally, they don't have the swagger and fearless streak like the teams of the 90s did. It was only 2 years ago during ODI series in England when Michael Atherton and Nasser Hussain called the Pakistan team "a bunch of timid kittens" - that sums it up really for me.

We have always been mentally weak. It’s just more pronounced in this lot due to the deficiency of talent and the skill level of other teams being much better than it used to be. The number of times we surrendered under pressure with Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam, Saqlain, Akhtar etc in the squad was sad.

 

[topspin]

Massive Saeed Anwar fan here, but he performed worse than Salman Butt did against Australia in Australia. I’m not sure if you remember or if you have really watched the 90s team, but atleast I can accept my team’s performance right now more so than I did back then. When you have a world class bowling attack and a decent enough batting line-up, to watch them disintegrate to a Jayasuriya assault or a McGrath/Warne detonation time and again was even more disheartening to see.

I take your point and I'm aware of Saeed Anwar's failures in Aus where he averaged in the low 20s but I would still take him (pre 2000) over Fakhar or any other opener in the current set up in a heartbeat.

What was disheartening about the 90s with Pakistan's ODI team was that they should have won 96 and 99 WCs but the problem was they didn't have an Imran Khan or anyone nearly as good as him to lead the side. Match fixing was rife in the 90s unfortunately. I have sources that have told me Wasim Akram pulled out of the 96 QF for other reasons shall we just say.

 

[topspin]

We have always been mentally weak. It’s just more pronounced in this lot due to the deficiency of talent and the skill level of other teams being much better than it used to be. The number of times we surrendered under pressure with Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam, Saqlain, Akhtar etc in the squad was sad.

They were mentally weak when it came to batting at times particularly chasing but otherwise prior to the matches and when they were out on the field, they had that presence which the current bunch just don't have.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I take your point and I'm aware of Saeed Anwar's failures in Aus where he averaged in the low 20s but I would still take him (pre 2000) over Fakhar or any other opener in the current set up in a heartbeat.

What was disheartening about the 90s with Pakistan's ODI team was that they should have won 96 and 99 WCs but the problem was they didn't have an Imran Khan or anyone nearly as good as him to lead the side. Match fixing was rife in the 90s unfortunately. I have sources that have told me Wasim Akram pulled out of the 96 QF for other reasons shall we just say.

Obviously you would, considering what Anwar has achieved now. Back then he used to be bashed as much Fakhar, even more so infact. The kind of criticism Anwar went through for just changing his gloves before he got bowled by Fleming in that WC99 final, I doubt Fakhar will ever face such a backlash. The lack of social media at that time doesn’t highlight those aspects much, besides the obvious match-fixing issues that plagued our cricket back then.

The people’s champion Shahid Afridi was taken as a massive joke during the 90s. It’s shocking how much adulation he has received by the end of his career

 

[Usman Chadda]

They were mentally weak when it came to batting at times particularly chasing but otherwise prior to the matches and when they were out on the field, they had that presence which the current bunch just don't have.

That presence lasted for all of 2-3 overs before the likes of Australia, South Africa and even Sri Lanka bashed the living daylights out of the bowling attack we love to over-rate here based purely on statistics. I have seen enough of Jayasuriya absolutely murdering Wasim, Waqar, Razzaq, Akhtar into submission and finishing off contests right at the beginning.

As I said, the frustrations of a Pakistani fan used to be different back then. Seems like we will be perenially stuck with frustration with out cricket team.

 

[topspin]

Obviously you would, considering what Anwar has achieved now. Back then he used to be bashed as much Fakhar, even more so infact. The kind of criticism Anwar went through for just changing his gloves before he got bowled by Fleming in that WC99 final, I doubt Fakhar will ever face such a backlash. The lack of social media at that time doesn’t highlight those aspects much, besides the obvious match-fixing issues that plagued our cricket back then.

The people’s champion Shahid Afridi was taken as a massive joke during the 90s. It’s shocking how much adulation he has received by the end of his career

His influence on the Pakistani population of cricket fans was actually toxic because rather than aspiring to have the timing and prowess of an Inzi, Saeed, MoYo and etc they wanted to grow up batting like a useless hack.

 

[Usman Chadda]

[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION], we were never a top ODI team for an extended period of time. Being a top 4 side in those days wasn’t a big deal. Australia was THE dominant side for most of that period, while South Africa was very strong but choked in tournaments. Sri Lanka was the third best side with dangerous young players, who actually played the most fearless cricket of that era. India was a joke, New Zealand just did not have any talent whatsoever, England kept leaving out their best talent for TTFs while West Indies was incredibly inconsistent dependant on Ambrose and Walsh’s good/bad days. Pakistan was better than India, New Zealand and England solely because of how bad these three teams were. On the off chance these teams managed to score a good total, we used to muck up pretty spectacularly and leave the fans’ scratching their heads similar to what has happened recently in the Asia Cup.

 

[topspin]

That presence lasted for all of 2-3 overs before the likes of Australia, South Africa and even Sri Lanka bashed the living daylights out of the bowling attack we love to over-rate here based purely on statistics. I have seen enough of Jayasuriya absolutely murdering Wasim, Waqar, Razzaq, Akhtar into submission and finishing off contests right at the beginning.

As I said, the frustrations of a Pakistani fan used to be different back then. Seems like we will be perenially stuck with frustration with out cricket team.

Although I was young and so didn't get the chance to witness the 96 WC, I can appreciate the frustrations were on a different level and a more elevated one knowing that you have an ODI outfit of world beaters but still couldn't win a WC in the post IK era despite possessing stronger sides than the 92 winning side. That has to be the biggest waste with what those teams from 96-99 had.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Although I was young and so didn't get the chance to witness the 96 WC, I can appreciate the frustrations were on a different level and a more elevated one knowing that you have an ODI outfit of world beaters but still couldn't win a WC in the post IK era despite possessing stronger sides than the 92 winning side. That has to be the biggest waste with what those teams from 96-99 had.

That era did a lot of damage to our cricket. We started to believe we can coast through professional sport based on talent only. There was no planning, no proper structures put in place or any sort of management to prepare our youngsters for the increasing challenges lying ahead. India came out of one of their darkest eras, co-inciding with the increase in professionalism in sports, with very good results. They had to work hard because their cricket team’s performance was actually harming their brand and the only way from rock bottom was up. They were downright awful in the 90s, consistently fielding worse bowling attacks than even Zimbabwe D that we played recently.

Now we are too far behind and have a lot of catching up to do with the rest of the cricket world. Even here in the UAE, a ten year old has better facilities than probably a lot of first-class cricketers back in Pakistan. It’s sad how mismanaged a professional sport is in a test playing nation. It’s an absolute miracle that our team continues to compete at international level.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Its all because we didn't played any home series for decade now

 

[barah_admi]

Good joke lol and that's coming from a Hasan Ali fan too. The green tints of the hype brigade never cease to amaze me.

How many ODI bowlers have a better average and wicket tally in that time period?

 

[MMHS]

If you look carefully, we have always been awful against Australia and South Africa, and even against England the results are not all that flash. India and New Zealand have improved, hence it looks as if we are far worse now.

For someone who has watched them play, I'm shocked by the amount the 90s team is hyped on here. They would struggle as much as the current lot with the improvements the other sides have made in terms of professionalism in world cricket. That team deserves the tag of one of the most under-performing lot in the history of sports, let alone cricket.

Not completely true - I believe, after 2002 series in AUS, W/L against them was 16/17 or very close; that’s considering most of those 35 or so games were played in AUS, with Australian umpires. SAF is a different story a little, because between 1994 to 2000, I think they won 16-17 consecutive games; but in 1st 4-5 years it was like 8/3 or 4.

This current lot with their dynamic captain is the poorest in 4 decades of my memory even considering CT win & you know - I have seen lot, lot, lot more than StatGuru. Since last WC, apart from that CT, what PAK has done is played lots of soft games, and often under strength teams. One CT win can’t hide for long the serial drubbings against India, BD, NZ, ENG & AUS. And, just direct W/L doesn’t tell the margin - what PAK did to SRL & ZIM reserves, actually got similar treatment from the teams I mentioned above. You may like to disagree, but had bonus points been awarded, PAK would have conceded bonus points in may be 2/3rd of these games.

These days, PP’s last resort is to get as much millage as possible from “tournament win”, aka CT - but Misbah’s team at least competed in most games; won series in SAF, IND, WIN (a much better WIN), won an Asia Cup and made a tight series against a full strength SAF team over 5 games.... even Azhar’s team won couple of meaningful games in AUS & against ENG, should have won one more in NZ as well. This “naya Pakistan” is running 0/8 against any team ranked over 8th. And, please have a look at some of the margins against under-strength NZ, IND & BD.

Hope I haven’t hurt your feelings, but don’t think I have made any gross mistake here about facts. 10-12 teams play serious cricket, fewer than half of them as their main game ......

 

[topspin]

Not completely true - I believe, after 2002 series in AUS, W/L against them was 16/17 or very close; that’s considering most of those 35 or so games were played in AUS, with Australian umpires. SAF is a different story a little, because between 1994 to 2000, I think they won 16-17 consecutive games; but in 1st 4-5 years it was like 8/3 or 4.

This current lot with their dynamic captain is the poorest in 4 decades of my memory even considering CT win & you know - I have seen lot, lot, lot more than StatGuru. Since last WC, apart from that CT, what PAK has done is played lots of soft games, and often under strength teams. One CT win can’t hide for long the serial drubbings against India, BD, NZ, ENG & AUS. And, just direct W/L doesn’t tell the margin - what PAK did to SRL & ZIM reserves, actually got similar treatment from the teams I mentioned above. You may like to disagree, but had bonus points been awarded, PAK would have conceded bonus points in may be 2/3rd of these games.

These days, PP’s last resort is to get as much millage as possible from “tournament win”, aka CT - but Misbah’s team at least competed in most games; won series in SAF, IND, WIN (a much better WIN), won an Asia Cup and made a tight series against a full strength SAF team over 5 games.... even Azhar’s team won couple of meaningful games in AUS & against ENG, should have won one more in NZ as well. This “naya Pakistan” is running 0/8 against any team ranked over 8th. And, please have a look at some of the margins against under-strength NZ, IND & BD.

Hope I haven’t hurt your feelings, but don’t think I have made any gross mistake here about facts. 10-12 teams play serious cricket, fewer than half of them as their main game ......

In complete agreement with this. Pakistan was more than just competitive against the two in Aus and SA back in the 90s. Being a top 4 side with a team filled with ODI ATGs and legends isn't some joke. I'm not even sure if anyone from the current XI will even become an ODI legend. I understand the frustrations and despair were on a greater level back then when you look at that team on paper but it is nonsensical to assume they would struggle in today's era.

I only have high hopes for SSA because there he has all the ingredients in causing havoc to batting line ups in all conditions because he has attributes and skills to take the pitch out of the equation.

Yes the 90s team was marred with match fixing, lack of professionalism + fitness and poor work ethic but even with those limitations they were still one hell of a team and had a lot more courage than the current timid bunch.

 

[topspin]

That era did a lot of damage to our cricket. We started to believe we can coast through professional sport based on talent only. There was no planning, no proper structures put in place or any sort of management to prepare our youngsters for the increasing challenges lying ahead. India came out of one of their darkest eras, co-inciding with the increase in professionalism in sports, with very good results. They had to work hard because their cricket team’s performance was actually harming their brand and the only way from rock bottom was up. They were downright awful in the 90s, consistently fielding worse bowling attacks than even Zimbabwe D that we played recently.

Now we are too far behind and have a lot of catching up to do with the rest of the cricket world. Even here in the UAE, a ten year old has better facilities than probably a lot of first-class cricketers back in Pakistan. It’s sad how mismanaged a professional sport is in a test playing nation. It’s an absolute miracle that our team continues to compete at international level.

PCB is to blame with mismanagement of funds because back then Pakistan was raking in a lot of money but with corruption it wasn't being reinvested into facilities and grassroots. That is the reason why Pakistan is lagging behind Aus, SA, NZ, Eng and India today.

If you look at the 90s team half of those players were found and nurtured by IK. He is the reason why Pakistan remained a world class side but unfortunately the standards, incompetence and corruption by PCB is the cancer that has become malignant in the present era.

 

[topspin]

Its all because we didn't played any home series for decade now

If that is the case then South Africa wouldn't have survived but in fact they actually thrived in the 90s because they had an excellent cricketing system encompassing a very competitive and well administered domestic system which is something Pakistan has failed to address even to this day.

 

[Ned Flanders]

If that is the case then South Africa wouldn't have survived but in fact they actually thrived in the 90s because they had an excellent cricketing system encompassing a very competitive and well administered domestic system which is something Pakistan has failed to address even to this day.

That's exactly what we need.

Plus we need to move away from the UAE.

Can't we play our games in Zimbabwe? Our players clearly love the conditions there.

 

[topspin]

That's exactly what we need.

Plus we need to move away from the UAE.

Can't we play our games in Zimbabwe? Our players clearly love the conditions there.

I wouldn't mind playing home games in Zimbabwe if there is pace from those wickets like there used to be in the 90s and 2000s.

 

[KP From India]

India was weak in 90s but Nz had the likes of Astle, fleming, Cairns, Bond, Harris, Vettory, Nash, Mcmillan at least good on paper.

 

[hadi123]

We haven't been a great ODI team. We are mediocre. I remember when we reached number 5 in ODI rankings and everybody here was doing some sort of bhangra. Talk about low standards. I do think this current team has a lot of potential but their showing in NZ and Asia Cup was awful.

 

[the_outsider]

India was weak in 90s but Nz had the likes of Astle, fleming, Cairns, Bond, Harris, Vettory, Nash, Mcmillan at least good on paper.

Neither Bond nor Vettori are 90s players. Vettori debuted in the late 90s and Bond debuted after 2000.

 

[the_outsider]

How many ODI bowlers have a better average and wicket tally in that time period?

Hasan Ali's numbers are quite misleading.

18 out Hasan's 38 matches have been against teams ranked 8 or below - the most for any bowler in the top 30 rankings (apart from Afg bowlers).

35 of his 73 wickets (i.e. almost 50%) have come against teams ranked 8 or below.

Against top 7 teams, his avg jumps from 22 to almost 28. ER goes over 6.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

. In fact, Pak reaching the semis in 2011 was a huge deal and in reality lost to India due to terrible fielding.

Lol, reaching the semis was not that big of a deal.

The tournament was essentially set up so that the top 8 teams would automatically make the quart-finals.

Then Pakistan beat a Windies team that was pathetic against spin.

 

[axis]

Lol, reaching the semis was not that big of a deal.

The tournament was essentially set up so that the top 8 teams would automatically make the quart-finals.

Then Pakistan beat a Windies team that was pathetic against spin.

You are underestimating Pakistan's efforts.. Pakistan beat Australia also.. halting their successive 3 tournament matches winning streak

 

[Gotham Cronie]

You are underestimating Pakistan's efforts.. Pakistan beat Australia also.. halting their successive 3 tournament matches winning streak

Yes, the fact that they topped the group was impressive.

But reaching the semi-finals was not a huge deal. Anything short of that would have been embarrassing.

They only had to beat Zimbabwe, Canada, Kenya, and then win one Q-Final game to have made the semi-finals.

 

[axis]

Yes, the fact that they topped the group was impressive.

But reaching the semi-finals was not a huge deal. Anything short of that would have been embarrassing.

They only had to beat Zimbabwe, Canada, Kenya, and then win one Q-Final game to have made the semi-finals.

They had lost to eventual champions and the second best team in the tournament.. no shame in that.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

They had lost to eventual champions and the second best team in the tournament.. no shame in that.

Who said there is?

 

[axis]

Who said there is?

I meant it's an achievement.

 

[RyanRyan10]

India was weak in 90s but Nz had the likes of Astle, fleming, Cairns, Bond, Harris, Vettory, Nash, Mcmillan at least good on paper.

what?

Bond didnt even make his debut in 90s
Vettori made his debut in late 90s & was mediocre in his 1st few years
Cairns was The only top class player they had

No way likes of Astle,Fleming,Macmillan,Nash,Harrison were any better than Tendulkar,Azhar,Ganguly,Srinath,Kumble

 

[Gotham Cronie]

I meant it's an achievement.

Topping the group was, yes. Making the semi-finals wasn't.

 

[barah_admi]

Lol, reaching the semis was not that big of a deal.

The tournament was essentially set up so that the top 8 teams would automatically make the quart-finals.

Then Pakistan beat a Windies team that was pathetic against spin.

Pakistan were a very basic team, less than a year removed from their debacle in England and having lost 3 top cricketers. So yes, it was a huge deal.

 

[Chokli]

new zealand/bangladesh and india are no longer our bunnies which is why we've been terrible lately

 

[giri26]

Pakistan's team in the 90's was a brilliant one, filled with stars but in spite of that their record is not that great against majority of the teams. Pakistan bossed India, Sri Lanka (who until 1996 weren't a good side) and New Zealand. 2000 onwards, Pakistan started losing their legends so it is understandable why the team's fortunes regressed as well.

When we look at the 90's WI's were a fading team, England were a poor ODI side, New Zealand were struggling as well. India besides Sachin were a horrible side in the 90's. Australia were a good side but not without their problems. Only South Africa and Pakistan were this brilliant team in ODI's during that side. Pakistan though were extremely inconsistent. Having a 5-8 losing record against England is criminal in the 90's for a team like Pakistan. Even India had a positive W/L against them.

West Indies were only good for half of that decade and Pakistan had negative W/L against them as well. So for a team which probably should have been rolling over teams for fun, Pakistan had a middling decade which was only great because of their brilliant World Cup win. Even though this thread is only about ODI, we need to consider that Pakistan lost a Test series to Zimbabwe at home as well.

 

[Chokli]

Pakistan's team in the 90's was a brilliant one, filled with stars but in spite of that their record is not that great against majority of the teams. Pakistan bossed India, Sri Lanka (who until 1996 weren't a good side) and New Zealand. 2000 onwards, Pakistan started losing their legends so it is understandable why the team's fortunes regressed as well.

When we look at the 90's WI's were a fading team, England were a poor ODI side, New Zealand were struggling as well. India besides Sachin were a horrible side in the 90's. Australia were a good side but not without their problems. Only South Africa and Pakistan were this brilliant team in ODI's during that side. Pakistan though were extremely inconsistent. Having a 5-8 losing record against England is criminal in the 90's for a team like Pakistan. Even India had a positive W/L against them.

West Indies were only good for half of that decade and Pakistan had negative W/L against them as well. So for a team which probably should have been rolling over teams for fun, Pakistan had a middling decade which was only great because of their brilliant World Cup win. Even though this thread is only about ODI, we need to consider that Pakistan lost a Test series to Zimbabwe at home as well.

= average team with the ability to surprise us here and there

 

[Balthazar]

new zealand/bangladesh and india are no longer our bunnies which is why we've been terrible lately

India has been the better ODI side this century. Even when Pakistan had a strong team in 90s, we still beat you comfortably in World tournaments. For all Pakistan's superior record in ODIs over India, it holds no value in the end.

 

[ads101]

I feel I can mention all the significant ODI wins in my time watching cricket. The series win in India vs India, the series win in SA vs SA, CT 2017, semi fina/topping group WC 2011 That's about it. Maybe you could throw in the Asia Cup. Been a pretty poor decade since 2010, though we probably weren't that fantastic the decade before that either. Why Sarfraz will keep his place, and honestly probably rightly given lack of captaincy options and performing senior batsmen. That CT win was the standout by a mile in our ODI achievements in the last 10 years or so. Never seen us play so consistently in an LOI tournament even in T20 world cups, we've usually been scratchy, but in CT we were overall good and seemed to improve every match, the semis and finals Pakistan demolished the opposition.

 

[Chokli]

India has been the better ODI side this century. Even when Pakistan had a strong team in 90s, we still beat you comfortably in World tournaments. For all Pakistan's superior record in ODIs over India, it holds no value in the end.

oh please, waqar, wasim and akhtar would have destroyed you if you had the guts to play more often.. there is a reason our H2H is in favour of Pakistan.

"hold no value in the end" get the hell out of here

 

[jnaveen1980]

If you are really bored go through some of the old threads on PP. This forum was started was in what? 2005? You could see the frustrations of fans right through this period at various stages.

 

[jeetu]

Pakistan's ODI record by decades

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Decade [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Won [/td][td]Lost [/td][td]Tied [/td][td]NR [/td][td]W/L [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1970s [/td][td]20 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]0.666 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1980s [/td][td]162 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]79 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]0.974 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1990s [/td][td]261 [/td][td]146 [/td][td]105 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]1.39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2000s [/td][td]267 [/td][td]151 [/td][td]111 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]1.36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2010s [/td][td]192 [/td][td]95 [/td][td]91 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]1.043 [/td][/tr]
[/table]