Pakistan's pace bowling depth at the Under-19 level is a big positive

[ethan hunt]

I would like to look at the positives and one of the biggest positives for me is the pace bowlers coming through at the under 19 level .
There are at least half a dozen pacers at that level for Pakistan who can clock 140 kph .
Dont think any other country has more than two at best.

Hopefully these guys develop well and a couple of them go on to become genuinely fast world class bowlers .

 

[dhonixi]

Arshad is only somewhat good, SSA is nothing as forum made him look like. So there is only one decent prospect.

 

[ethan hunt]

Arshad is only somewhat good, SSA is nothing as forum made him look like. So there is only one decent prospect.

The guys on the bench (Munir and Ali ) are quicker than 1st team bowlers of most other sides . Add hasnain to that list .
Not sure how you cant see international potential in Shaheen .
It is not always about performance at this level . Shadab khan had an ordinary u19 worldcup and he is one of the best young cricketers in the world 2 years on.

 

[DRsohail]

That aspect is always covered the problem is batting and its huge flop at u19 levelas awell.

 

[Rightarmfast]

I would like to look at the positives and one of the biggest positives for me is the pace bowlers coming through at the under 19 level .
There are at least half a dozen pacers at that level for Pakistan who can clock 140 kph .
Dont think any other country has more than two at best.

Hopefully these guys develop well and a couple of them go on to become genuinely fast world class bowlers .

There are about 15 young bowlers in India who are bowling at around 145 k's!

 

[azimiqbal]

I will believe it when I see it !

 

[ethan hunt]

There are about 15 young bowlers in India who are bowling at around 145 k's!

Not going to turn this into another india pakistan bashing thread but i am talking about u19 and whilst as inpressive as Nagarkoti and Mavi were the other guys like Porel , Arshdeep weren't all that .

 

[ethan hunt]

That aspect is always covered the problem is batting and its huge flop at u19 levelas awell.

Its about having a proper hard ball culture which we dont have .
The likes of Gill and Shaw have been practicing batting with a proper cricket ball since the age of 3 or something .
While we pick batsmen from the streets . Also the coaching is extremely substandard in Pakistan . While Indian kids have the best coaches . You can tell by the basics.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Not going to turn this into another india pakistan bashing thread but i am talking about u19 and whilst as inpressive as Nagarkoti and Mavi were the other guys like Porel , Arshdeep weren't all that .

Porel was bowling with an ankle injury, which they showed during the match too He bowls around 135-140. Arshdeep too bowls around 130-135ish which isnt bad for U19, going by the quality of bowling he provides.

You mentioned no other team has more than 2 talents bowling in 140's, and I just pointed out that there are bowlers in plenty in the pipeline who touch 145!

 

[Rightarmfast]

Its about having a proper hard ball culture which we dont have .
The likes of Gill and Shaw have been practicing batting with a proper cricket ball since the age of 3 or something .
While we pick batsmen from the streets . Also the coaching is extremely substandard in Pakistan . While Indian kids have the best coaches . You can tell by the basics.

Ofcourse not. However, the Indian kids get the best of facilities and training as you pointed out. Which I agree, the Pakistani players are devoid of . Add to that, the mindset of parents have changed. In 90's, no parent would want their children to be in sports. Now, everyone wants their son/ daughter to be sachin// sania mirza. And we have facilities, which even normal schools provide.

I really hope that Pakistani ex players get together and work towards improving the talents in schools and work towards infrastrucuture for cricket.

 

[DRsohail]

Its about having a proper hard ball culture which we dont have .
The likes of Gill and Shaw have been practicing batting with a proper cricket ball since the age of 3 or something .
While we pick batsmen from the streets . Also the coaching is extremely substandard in Pakistan . While Indian kids have the best coaches . You can tell by the basics.

Coaching by Basit ali and mansoor rana etc is not working for year but we don know when will pcbrealise that we need a qualified coach at junior level whic is more important.

 

[Madplayer]

There are about 15 young bowlers in India who are bowling at around 145 k's!

I know about Khaleel and nagarkoti. Can you please name these 15 who bowl at 145kph?

Sounds really good for world cricket.

 

[Rightarmfast]

I know about Khaleel and nagarkoti. Can you please name these 15 who bowl at 145kph?

Sounds really good for world cricket.

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

 

[Madplayer]

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

All of them bowl 145? Woah!! Its an incredibly long list and i am guessing it will be unmatched by any other country's domestic circuit. Dont think even Aussies and Saffers will have so many guys bowling at 145 kph.

 

[Dingolfy]

All of them bowl 145? Woah!! Its an incredibly long list and i am guessing it will be unmatched by any other country's domestic circuit. Dont think even Aussies and Saffers will have so many guys bowling at 145 kph.

I dont think all of them bowl at 145, but 140 plus for sure.Given India's billion plus population and now-improved infrastructure, it is not surprising.

 

[Rightarmfast]

All of them bowl 145? Woah!! Its an incredibly long list and i am guessing it will be unmatched by any other country's domestic circuit. Dont think even Aussies and Saffers will have so many guys bowling at 145 kph.

They all bowl 140+ , hovering around 145. I dont know about Saffers and Aussies, I do know there are these bowlrs in India bowling at that pace which has been recorded.

 

[rudra]

India has 28 teams in ranji and I can tell you atleast 10 states have 2 fast bowlers each clocking 140 or above

 

[DRsohail]

India has 28 teams in ranji and I can tell you atleast 10 states have 2 fast bowlers each clocking 140 or above

y they can,t be seen in IPL?

 

[Savak]

This depth is not enough. We saw this depth in the 2006 U-19 WC as well but we all know what happened to all those players afterwards. Enough with this rubbish of let them play and develop in domestic cricket for another 3-4 years before getting called up for national duty, if anyone has potential, fast track him immediately.

 

[Plumb]

The real question is will these kids b looked after by PCB??. We have seen many kids on u19 level doing good and gets disappeared in a matter of a year. Its up to PCB to groom them and provide them the facilities they need.

Ind has done their home work and now they are reaping rewards. We are seeing more fast bowlers coming from Ind than pakistan which is really a sign of worry We are only good in one dept. that is fast bowling and that's fading away too. I hope someone stands up and make grass root level changes to nurture the kids for future.

 

[DRsohail]

This depth is not enough. We saw this depth in the 2006 U-19 WC as well but we all know what happened to all those players afterwards. Enough with this rubbish of let them play and develop in domestic cricket for another 3-4 years before getting called up for national duty, if anyone has potential, fast track him immediately.

let them get rotten in domestics.

 

[Dingolfy]

y they can,t be seen in IPL?

140 kph may not always mean good in T20.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

The fact of the matter is that all the talk was about the Indian bowlers and how they are able to hit 140 + kph and no one expected the Pakistani bowlers to do that.

We are probably at second worst talent draught in the history of our cricket and we still have three bowlers that are all capable to hit 140 kph with two backup bowlers who can do the same. It's a very dark cloud and the silver line is very bleak but it's still something.

Muhammad Musa won't probably ever make it big, but he bowled good heat in the one match that mattered and almost kinda held our pace legacy to last a little bit longer. That I guess, is something to hold on to for the moment. It's not enough, or a lot, but it's something and during rough times, sometimes something is all that you need to kick start a revolution.

Let's see if that happens.

 

[JaDed]

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

When did Sangwan start bowling 145? That guy is epic useless and he cheated his age by an year,instead of concentrating on bowling ,went on to make biceps and abs.

He is also a product of an influential father and will never make it to the Indian team.

 

[DRsohail]

140 kph may not always mean good in T20.

i dont think so there are so many....it may have increased but it looks like to be at least 56 bowlers which i s beyond imagination.

 

[90MPH]

Honesty I thought Indian bowling was better.

Pakistan’s was still decent but was shocked how good bowling Indian was.

They were not just clocking decent speeds but bowled very accurately.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

We have 50 guys bowling 145 at U19. Do you guys want me to list their names?

 

[ethan hunt]

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

Siraj ?? The guy struggling in the early 130s against Newzealand .
Some of those names i have seen and are medium pacers at best .
Infact almost all of them bar one or rwo are medium fast at best.
If we go by the odd delivery than almost every bowler in the world is 140 plus
Stop misguiding man.

 

[Square Drive]

We have 50 guys bowling 145 at U19. Do you guys want me to list their names?

Yes please, Chief.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

While i was impressed with the u19 fast bowling attack from India, i think you are getting carried away here. So you are basically saying India has got 15 ppl who can bowl 145+ , which is faster than the current senior team bowlers (apart from may Kumar who bowls the odd 145 delivery) and they are no where near the national team or even the IPl? Something doesnt add up there. If Pakistan had a few ppl clocking in that range, they would probably have played a few LOIs by now.


Coming to SSA, he is not really quick (infact was listed as leftarm medium on cricinfo) and i think he has been overrated here. Unless he adds a few kph , i dont see him adding value to our pace attack. He had got the raw ingredients though.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

Khejroliya, Siraj, Monu etc are not 145k bowlers neither is Aniket. They may have bowled the odd 145k delivery.

Stop over hyping things, you are actually discrediting the real 145k bowlers in India.

 

[moghul]

Honesty I thought Indian bowling was better.

Pakistan’s was still decent but was shocked how good bowling Indian was.

They were not just clocking decent speeds but bowled very accurately.

Agree , Indian under 19 pacers were very very impressive. Not just pace but accuracy and movement too. They are not as well built and tall as their Pakistani counter part Shaheen , Arshad and Musa ( short but strong lad ) but as long as they stay fit they have a bright future and obviously India's pace bowling future also looks bright.

 

[moghul]

Yes, pace bowling reserves are good but again, I can;t believe how poor was the under 19 batting, simply depressing. I don't see a bight future for Pak team, unfortunately.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

Is this Mohammad Siraj? He wasn't hitting those speeds against Sri Lanka if I remember correctly.