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Pakistan's road to the final of the 2023 World Cup in India

Again downplaying Pakistan just answer this simple question and be honest with your answer : What is the match people want to see India vs Pakistan or India vs Zimbabwe, by the way (the ind vs zim) match did have a big crowd but it was not a full house, only full house match was india vs Pakistan.


I'm not downplaying anything or anyone brother. Just educating you how the revenue side of things actually work. It really doesn't matter money wise for the ICC or anyone if any particular team doesn't make the knockouts. The deals are all already in place. Basic common sense and all .
 
I'm not downplaying anything or anyone brother. Just educating you how the revenue side of things actually work. It really doesn't matter money wise for the ICC or anyone if any particular team doesn't make the knockouts. The deals are all already in place. Basic common sense and all .

Deals are already in place, but ticket sales, and other revenues can boost depedning on who makes the semi finals, we dont know in advance who makes the semi-finals until semi-finals actually happen.

In terms of ticket sales, merchandise and advertising of course if India and Pakistan are playing or both are in semi-finals, their is more money to be made, that is just a fact, everyone knows that.

We saw in the t20 world cup, when India and Pakistan played 90000 seats were filled.

When Pak played England in the finals I believe it was 82000, now had the final been Pakistan vs India than for sure 90000 (full house) would be packed for the finals, more people in the stadium means more money. I know the revenue and all that gets posted before, but what happens in semi-finals or finals, is where additional money can be made from ticket sales and etc...than ICC will want that

At the end of the day its a business, an important rule of business, is that even if you can make 1 extra dollar by doing something you do it. In thise case its not about 1 extra dollar, its about alot of money coming in. ICC does try to make things easier for India and Pakistan ( im not saying their fixing matches) they try to make certain things easier for them to get through.
 
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Loading up on the excuses already. :91:

For ICC tournaments, pitch curation is under ICC's control. Besides, good teams find a way to win in all conditions by building a well rounded team. The fact that Pak fans are even having this paranoia says a lot about the limitations of their team to play in certain conditions.

Most teams other than maybe the WI team of the 80s and Australian team of the early 2000s struggle in foreign conditions. Many great Indian teams came and went but mostly struggled playing in England, Australia and New Zealand. England was at its peak in 2005 where they defeated a star-studded team in Australia but lost 3 nil when they visited Pakistan. There are many other examples.

With the amount of hostility and resentment there is towards Pakistan and Pakistanis in India it will not be acceptable to the Indian administration for Pakistan to lift the world Cup there. They will do everything in their power to ensure Pakistan doesn't go far in this tournament. Managing the pitch will be the most elementary thing to do. We all know and must give credit to Indian curators how good they are with pitch management as is evident by kind of pitches that are served up to visiting teams. Another tool I can see them using is the media to put a relatively young Pakistani team under pressure.

Pakistan after what India pulled in the Asia Cup should have boycotted the world Cup on principle but what can you expect from PCB and it's political backers.
 
Most teams other than maybe the WI team of the 80s and Australian team of the early 2000s struggle in foreign conditions. Many great Indian teams came and went but mostly struggled playing in England, Australia and New Zealand. England was at its peak in 2005 where they defeated a star-studded team in Australia but lost 3 nil when they visited Pakistan. There are many other examples.


Wickets for limited overs cricket are pretty much homogeneous around the world i.e flat with a rare but slight assistance for bowlers here and there. You won't see rank turners or green seamers these days. The paranoia is just laughable.
 
Krishnamachari Srikkanth in an interview on why Pakistan may not be favourites to win in WC2023

“I am not ruling them out. I would like to see what kind of team they are going to select; that’s the most important thing. Pakistan has always fought well in India. The last time, in the 2011 World Cup, when they played in India, they lost to India in the semifinals in Mohali,"

“I am not ruling out Pakistan. Yes, they are used to sub-continent conditions, but the point is, they have not played in India for a long time,”
 
Time to remember some good ol' days...

 
Babar Azam has stated that the WC squad will take into account the performances in the Asia Cup.

But do we have the right resources to get to the final of the WC?
 
There was lots of optimism Pakistan might pull off a fairytale in India, but how it is surely a case of damage limitation.

An ageing lopsided squad, with the longbdud overhaul never arriving.

To avoid another hammering by India will be a small victory, though where Pakistan will find theirs remains the mystery
 
At the start of the Asia Cup, everything was looking great for team Pakistan but then we had a crushing 228 runs defeat against India and since then nothing seems certain about our team. Our openers are not certain, our middle order is not certain, and our bowling attack.
 
Pakistan have enjoyed multiple spells as the world's No.1 ODI team in recent times, though Babar Azam's men are desperate to find a rhythm to mount a serious Cricket World Cup challenge.

Squad: Babar Azam (c), Shadab Khan, Fakhar Zaman, Imam-ul-Haq, Abdullah Shafique, Mohammad Rizwan, Saud Shakeel, Iftikhar Ahmed, Salman Ali Agha, Mohammad Nawaz, Usama Mir, Haris Rauf, Hasan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Mohammad Wasim.

Best finish at the tournament

Winners (1992)

Pakistan made a slow start at the 1992 tournament in Australia and New Zealand, picking up just three points (one win, one no-result) across their first five matches.

Their comeback to squeeze into the four is made more remarkable considering the opposition in the back half. The side beat Australia in Perth by 48 runs, won in the last over chasing Sri Lanka’s 212, before overcoming New Zealand in Christchurch who were unbeaten when the teams met.

Four wins and a washout were enough for the men in green to squeeze into the fourth spot for the semi-finals, though it meant a re-match with New Zealand who finished top of the round-robin stage at Eden Park in Auckland.

Set a tough 263 for victory, Pakistan paced their chase with starts from Ramiz Raja and captain Imran Khan (both 44) setting the platform. Javed Miandad (57*) carried through the middle and latter stages, while Inzamam-ul-Haq (60 off 37 balls) and Moin Khan (20* from 11 balls) flurries ensured a successful chase.

In the final, Pakistan wrangled the English just when it looked like they were running away with victory in front of 87,000 people. Imran Khan (72) and Javed Miandad (58) pieced together a 139-run partnership after falling in a hole at 24/2, eventually posting 249/6 after a late flurry from Wasim Akram (33 from 18 balls).

England had the makings of mounting a final-winning chase at 141/4, only for the great Wasim to etch his name in Cricket World Cup folklore. Around the wicket, Wasim beat the imperious Allan Lamb to make a mess of the Englishman’s stumps, before swinging the next delivery the other way to claim Chris Lewis first ball. The left-armer finished with 3/49 to finish Player of the Final as his country lifted the trophy.

Results in the last 10 ODI games


(Most recent first): L L W N/R W W W W L W

Fixtures

vs Netherlands (6 October), Hyderabad

vs Sri Lanka (10 October), Hyderabad

vs India (14 October), Ahmedabad

vs Australia (20 October), Bengaluru

vs Afghanistan (23 October), Chennai

vs South Africa (27 October), Chennai

vs Bangladesh (31 October), Kolkata

vs New Zealand (04 November), Bengaluru

vs England (11 November), Kolkata

Key Match

vs India (14 October), Ahmedabad

Players from both sides will throw everything at every match in India, but it’d be remiss not to acknowledge the stakes and significance of the 14 October fixture in Ahmedabad in front of almost 130,000 people.

The teams have inflicted a defeat on each other in the two T20 World Cup meetings across 2021 and 2022, though it is India that have the edge in recent times in the 50-over game, both through this year’s Asia Cup and a resounding win at the 2019 Cricket World Cup.

Looking to the Ahmedabad fixture, new ball inroads through Shaheen Shah Afridi against Rohit Sharma and the India top order will be vital, and the Powerplay on the batting side could be just as vital.

The last time the teams met in Cricket World Cup action in India was during the 2011 semi-final, where Pakistan fell short by 29 runs in Mohali.

Key Player

Babar Azam

With a stranglehold on the No.1 ODI Batting Ranking since mid-July 2021, no one can argue Babar Azam’s quality for Pakistan. Not only for his reliability as a run-scorer but also his durability, as he has played every ODI for their team since the 2019 Cricket World Cup.

Averaging close to 60 in the format at a strike rate of almost 90, Babar would be a key player for any side at the tournament. There are no secrets Pakistan’s campaign hinges on their captain’s output, but his role as a field general and his changes with the ball will also prove vital.

The 28-year-old has also expressed his excitement about playing in a full Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad come 14 October, and won't shy away from the challenge of taking his men to India.

Summary

In a similar fashion to four years ago, the outlook of Pakistan’s campaign is far from crystal clear. For marked periods the No.1 ODI team since missing out on a semi-final spot in 2019, the side come into the tournament a little flat, after Asia Cup defeats to India and Sri Lanka, and multiple defeats to New Zealand on home soil throughout the year.

In spite of keeping a set group of players, the team have struggled to find the ideal line-up. Tinkering with the batting order with players sliding up and down, there's no certainty as to how the team will line up on 6 October. Pakistan may have pushed a little too hard in the build-up as well, given the injury to Naseem Shah. The side welcomes 2019 squad member Hasan Ali as a replacement, though it’s been over a year since he featured in ODI cricket.

The team is not short of match-winners, like the aforementioned Babar and the almost unrivalled new-ball quality of Shaheen Shah Afridi, but the questions of the middle order and the lack of blue-chip, world-class spinner leave the team short of being in the same conversation as the hot favorites.

To compensate for this, their main spinning options, Shadab Khan and Mohammad Nawaz, bring a level of quality with the bat. The side have left out Faheem Ashraf under the assumption that wickets will spin wherever they go, and they have Usama Mir in their ranks if they want to double down with slow bowling.

On the batting side, Mohammad Rizwan, Babar Azam and Imam-ul-Haq provide an element of safety, with Fakhar Zaman boasting more power and bravado, even if it is at the expense of the perceived reliability.

The team in green have the potential to lift the trophy on 19 November, though the hype from the optimistic fans and the cynicism of the naysayers cancels out, to give the impression Pakistan are a side similar to four years ago – certainly in the mix for a semi-final spot and looking to press on but having to fight a number of rivals for the privilege.

There is sure to be a level of pressure in return to India after a seven-year absence, but the team has never been one to read the script and could surprise all comers in their World Cup press.


Source: ICC
 
Mohammad Amir on Pakistan's chances:

"Earlier I predicted New Zealand but now I will go with Pakistan instead since there is no pressure on them. Whenever people write off Pakistan, they tend to do something different,"
 
Babar Azam’s Pakistan eyes history in India

The much-anticipated moment for the Pakistan cricket fans arrives tomorrow (Friday) as Pakistan begin their ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 campaign against the Netherlands at Hyderabad’s Rajiv Gandhi International Cricket Stadium.

Since arriving in the city eight days ago, which also marked the first instance of a Pakistan men’s side landing in India in seven years, the Babar Azam’s side has made the most of the training sessions and two warm-up games to acclimatise in the city where they play first two of their nine league matches.

The warm-up games against New Zealand and Australia also served opportunities to Pakistan to fine-tune their combinations and provide the much-needed match time to the entire squad.

“We have been in Hyderabad for a week and our preparations have been really good,” Babar told PCB Digital on the eve of Pakistan’s tournament opener. “We have had two practice matches in which we tried different combinations and gave everyone an opportunity to see if they could play in any situation. Overall our practice went well and we will give our best.”

Pakistan enter the 50-over World Cup as one of the favourites after an impressive run in the just-concluded World Cup cycle as they had the best win-loss ratio of 2.400 with 24 wins in 36 matches. That the team has performed so consistently has also been because of their mainstays emerging as solid performers over the years.

Their captain, Babar, has evolved into a modern-day great since recording the most runs for a Pakistani at a World Cup in the 2019 iteration and is perched at the top of the ICC ODI rankings for batters. He is one of the two players to score over 2,000 runs in the last four years. His impressive 2,196 runs have been at an average of 66.54 and a strike rate of 93.72. He has smashed nine centuries in this period, which is the joint-most with Shai Hope, who is the other batter to breach the 2,000-run mark.

Babar’s compatriot and a close friend Imam-ul-Haq is ranked sixth with 1,284 runs at an average of 45.85 and a strike rate of 84.41. He has struck two centuries and 13 half-centuries in the past four years.

Shaheen Afridi, who became the youngest bowler to bag a five-wicket haul in his last ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup contest, has emerged as one of the most-feared bowlers in the game. Such has been his impact in the format that despite being on the sidelines for around seven months because of a knee injury, Shaheen has been one of the key bowlers in the vaunted Pakistan’s pace attack. He has 46 wickets in the last four years at 25.26 and with an impressive economy of 5.42.

In between the two editions, Pakistan continued to produce exciting fast bowling talents. Haris Rauf, who debuted in October 2020, has made a name for himself by producing excellent spells in arguably the hardest phase of the ODI game – the middle overs. He surpassed the 50-wicket mark in the recent Men’s ODI Asia Cup 2023 and has 53 scalps to his name, but the most fascinating bit of his bowling has been the economy, which has been 5.68.

“Both bowling and batting are our strengths,” Babar replied when asked what he felt his side’s strengths are. “Our batters have been performing from the top-order down to the lower-order. Every player is stepping up and taking responsibility. In bowling, our fast bowling has always been our strength but even our spinners are showing promise. Since we have come to India, we have seen our spinners take wickets in the middle overs, which is a good sign. We will try and keep this momentum going.”

When Pakistan take on the Netherlands on Friday, it will be the first time in a little less than in 11 years that they will play an ODI on the Indian soil. They have not played a single 50-over international game in Hyderabad since 1987, but the team has made sure that they have all preparations in place for the mega-event.

“As far as my experience goes, and having watched matches in India on television, I’ll say the pitches seem really good. Matches are going to be high scoring. As for the boundaries, they are normal-sized, not too small but not too big either. The pitches are true – sometimes you need a little more time (as a batter) early on (in the game), but once you play on it for a while it feels really good. There is not much margin for the bowlers as they have to keep their lines wicket-to-wicket and deploy variations. If they err in lines, then the batters are going to make the most of it.”

Speaking about his last four years, the Pakistan captain said, “My journey has been really good. There have been ups and downs, which is natural. There have been challenges at times, but I have tried to live up to the expectations of the fans. I have met a lot of good people in the process. I met some very good teammates and was able to forge a bond with them. It has been three years since I have been playing with these boys so we have bonded well in this time. At the end of the day, we spend more time with each other than we get to spend with our families. We try to be happy with each other's performance and try to give our best for Pakistan.”

Recalling the Pakistan team’s reception at the Hyderabad airport last week, Babar expressed his gratitude towards the Indian people who have turned up in numbers to greet his side, and expressed hope that he will soon see the Pakistan fans across the country in the World Cup cheering their side.

“We weren't expecting such a reception, to be honest. Many people showed up at the airport when we arrived here. They cheered for us and showed us support. A large crowd turned up in the last match. They seemed to really enjoy the game and they showed support for some of their favourite players. So it feels nice. I feel if we would have Pakistani fans here, it will feel even better.”

The Friday meeting between Pakistan and the Netherlands would be the seventh time they face off in an ODI. The two sides have faced off six times in the format, their first meeting in the 1996 iteration of the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup, and Pakistan have come out victorious on each occasion. Pakistan toured the Netherlands last year for what was the first bilateral series between the two sides, and recorded a clean-sweep.​
 
Mickey Arthur is confident that his team will reach the Final where they will meet India. This is what he had to say when asked a question about team India.

[Reporter:]

"You've played three teams and you've seen 10 teams, followed 12 games. As an experienced cricketing mind, do you have an opinion on this Indian team?"

[Mickey Arthur:]

"Yeah, I do. This Indian team is a very, very good cricket team. I think they're very well led by Rahul and Rohit. I think they look good. I think they've got all bases covered and I'm looking forward to meeting them in the final again."
 
A big game coming against Australia and if Pakistan can win this game, they are almost certain to make it to the semifinals at least.
 
At the moment the road to Lahore looks easier than the road to the final.

Need to up their game and approach starting with the match versus Australia.
 
At the moment the road to Lahore looks easier than the road to the final.

Need to up their game and approach starting with the match versus Australia.
Especially since all of them live in Lahore.
 
I think our journey in the WC never started and we ain't making to the semis. I know people will jump up and down, saying the WC is not over and if this team beats this team and that that and this that and then that this, we will make it to semis and then it's anyone's game. Let's be realistic, we are lucky to be 2-2 at this stage courtesy of incompetent SL, else it be 1-3 at this stage. We have a lot of players who are simply stat padders and a rest who had one good innings in two years. None of them is an impact player barring one or two exceptions, one thing for sure is that Babar is not a captain material and you can't remove him in the middle of the WC, but what is next for us after the WC. All the names put forward by PP fans like Abdullah (yes he made one 100 and will carry it for two years), Usama, Saud have not worked for us and I believe only Naseem is missing from our best eleven. So, who do we have waiting in the ranks that we can rely on and what else we can do to get better or is our cricket going the hockey way as well?
 
nothings going to happen we as a nation let alone the team is going nowhere and done for
 
nothings going to happen we as a nation let alone the team is going nowhere and done for
Guess IK was right when said don't ask me to fix the cricket team, I need to fix the nation and it will take care of the cricket team as well. More wiser words have not been spoken.
 
We are going to win series against Australia and New Zealand C teams think we are world champions and Babar is KING hahahaaa.
 
3 spots are still up for grabs.

None of Aus or England, even us and SA are secure. Only really India have one spot locked.
 
Relax it's not over for pakistan there is saying in urdu " jaisa socho gy waisa ho ga". We will win this WC IA.
 
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Relax it's not over for pakistan there is saying in urdu " jaisa socho gy waisa ho ga". We will win this WC IA.
It's not an emotional one, I think emotional is not being realistic and not working to sort out our issues and just keep on thinking "All is well". Not sure how old are you, but I remember once we were World Champions of 4 sports at the same time. Those days are long gone and cricket is the only one left we can compete in until recently, we can win a game here and there and without consistency we will keep having such threads.
 
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Still Pak is not ruled out and except for NZ and India no one teams have cemented their place for the SF
 
I think our journey in the WC never started and we ain't making to the semis. I know people will jump up and down, saying the WC is not over and if this team beats this team and that that and this that and then that this, we will make it to semis and then it's anyone's game. Let's be realistic, we are lucky to be 2-2 at this stage courtesy of incompetent SL, else it be 1-3 at this stage. We have a lot of players who are simply stat padders and a rest who had one good innings in two years. None of them is an impact player barring one or two exceptions, one thing for sure is that Babar is not a captain material and you can't remove him in the middle of the WC, but what is next for us after the WC. All the names put forward by PP fans like Abdullah (yes he made one 100 and will carry it for two years), Usama, Saud have not worked for us and I believe only Naseem is missing from our best eleven. So, who do we have waiting in the ranks that we can rely on and what else we can do to get better or is our cricket going the hockey way as well?
We lost to Zimbabwe in the last t20 wc still be reached the final and nearly won. This is still not as bad
We will defo beat Nz and South Africa and qualify for the semis
 
If Pakistan bat first against any of the 3 teams, Eng, Nz or SA they wont win.

The slim chance they have is to chase a 300 target batting 2nd and hope England and South Africa choke.
 
If Pakistan bat first against any of the 3 teams, Eng, Nz or SA they wont win.

The slim chance they have is to chase a 300 target batting 2nd and hope England and South Africa choke.
With bowlers not clicking and part-time bowler our best spinner we are not going to be chasing under 300 very often.
 
What's next ? The first match post-World Cup is a Test at Optus Stadium, Perth vs Australia.

That will be a human rights violation for the ages.

We will make the IDF look like Mandela.

Australia will score at 4 or 5 rpo and lose 3 or 4 wickets max. We will be dismissed for 280 runs total in the test.
 
Only road for Pakistan in this world cup was a circular one which involved some siteseeing for the players and usual expected failure
 
All the names put forward by PP fans like Abdullah (yes he made one 100 and will carry it for two years), Usama, Saud have not worked for us and I believe only Naseem is missing from our best eleven. So, who do we have waiting in the ranks that we can rely on and what else we can do to get better or is our cricket going the hockey way as well?

This is my big fear!
 
Yet another tournament and yet another discussion of mathematical possibilities. What are the scenarios by which Pakistan can qualify now?

Straightforward qualification - Teams need minimum of 6 wins out of 9 games to qualify. Pakistan has 2 wins out of 4 and needs minimum 4 wins out of the remaining 5 games. These 5 games are against NZ, SA, ENG, AFG, BAN. Assuming Pakistan can win easily against BAN and AFG, we can only drop one game among NZ/SA/ENG to qualify outright.

Mathematical Qualification - I think we will have more clarity regarding this once the next 2 or 3 games are completed to see how good our NRR can be, and how other results can benefit Pakistan.

Is this the way forward or am I missing something here?
 
Yet another tournament and yet another discussion of mathematical possibilities. What are the scenarios by which Pakistan can qualify now?

Straightforward qualification - Teams need minimum of 6 wins out of 9 games to qualify. Pakistan has 2 wins out of 4 and needs minimum 4 wins out of the remaining 5 games. These 5 games are against NZ, SA, ENG, AFG, BAN. Assuming Pakistan can win easily against BAN and AFG, we can only drop one game among NZ/SA/ENG to qualify outright.

Mathematical Qualification - I think we will have more clarity regarding this once the next 2 or 3 games are completed to see how good our NRR can be, and how other results can benefit Pakistan.

Is this the way forward or am I missing something here?
You’re exactly right, we can basically guarantee our spot if we win our remaining matches. But beyond that, it’s almost impossible to say until more games are played by other teams.
 
Yet another tournament and yet another discussion of mathematical possibilities. What are the scenarios by which Pakistan can qualify now?

Straightforward qualification - Teams need minimum of 6 wins out of 9 games to qualify. Pakistan has 2 wins out of 4 and needs minimum 4 wins out of the remaining 5 games. These 5 games are against NZ, SA, ENG, AFG, BAN. Assuming Pakistan can win easily against BAN and AFG, we can only drop one game among NZ/SA/ENG to qualify outright.

Mathematical Qualification - I think we will have more clarity regarding this once the next 2 or 3 games are completed to see how good our NRR can be, and how other results can benefit Pakistan.

Is this the way forward or am I missing something here?
Considering Afghan and Bangla matches as straight forward might come back to bite
 
Pakistan still has a good chance of making it to the semis. Firstly they need 4 points from AFG and Bangladesh which are relatively weaker teams. In the next 3 matches they need to win any 2 and they are through without NRR too. remember England, australia and SA will be playing each other and those losing will ahve more pressure especially SA and ENg who lost against weaker teams. IND and NZ winning their matches against these teams will further help Pakistan.

So Pakistan still has their fate in their hands.
 
Just gotta hear Afghanistan on a spinning pitch. When it comes to long tournaments like this, peaking at the right time is incredibly important. Hopefully our best performances in the tournament are still ahead.
 
Pakistan still has a good chance of making it to the semis. Firstly they need 4 points from AFG and Bangladesh which are relatively weaker teams. In the next 3 matches they need to win any 2 and they are through without NRR too. remember England, australia and SA will be playing each other and those losing will ahve more pressure especially SA and ENg who lost against weaker teams. IND and NZ winning their matches against these teams will further help Pakistan.

So Pakistan still has their fate in their hands.
If Afghanistan can wreck England and Netherlands choke South Africa, is it wise to just take 4 points against Afghanistan and bangladesh for granted??
 
Bad times/performances come for everyone. What makes you a good sportsmen is the ability to put bad moments behind you to focus on the present moment to perform your best. One step at a time, we need a dominant performance against Afghanistan this weekend.
 
Lot of guys complained today on Pak's batting. I thin Pak issue is weak bowling. And thats why it will be tough to qualify for sf. Teams will take apart Pak bowling as they have more than 20 overs of part timers and if Rauf or Ali go for plenty they are totally unstuck. 6 wins are needed but except Ind all 5 teams are in the race so it can come down to nrr. 5 wins overall can be enough as well but depends on other results. Absolutely safe would be 7 wins but 6 wins should more than likely be enough. But Afg and Bang games are potential banana peel games for Pak.. Pak has to be play out of their skins from here on to qualify for sf. The last Eng Pak league can determine the teams that qualify for sf ..
 
If Afghanistan can wreck England and Netherlands choke South Africa, is it wise to just take 4 points against Afghanistan and bangladesh for granted??
I am not saying Pakistan should take it for granted but they have a relatively higher chance of ganing those points from these teams. All is not gone yet for Pakistan mathematically. They need 4 wins out of remaining 5 to qualify without NRR coming to picture.
 
I am not saying Pakistan should take it for granted but they have a relatively higher chance of ganing those points from these teams. All is not gone yet for Pakistan mathematically. They need 4 wins out of remaining 5 to qualify without NRR coming to picture.
Vs Afghanistan ( ok, maybe we will win, 6 points)
Vs bangladesh ( ok, maybe we will win, 8 points)
Vs SA ( with current bowling form they will hit us around 450?)
Vs NZ ( they are topping the table right now and looks like stronger than india at the moment if they carry that form we dont have any chance to beat NZ)
Vs Eng ( 50:50 game if england will not need this win, if they need that game they will slaughter us).

As a pakistani i want them to win straight all games but reality is boys have limited skills and they already have played above their skills. They have done what they are capable of.

Don't have any choice but to support them.
 
I would say India and NZ are secure and only 2 spots up for grabs among ENG, AUS, SA, PAK.
Nah we're very much capable of bombing out.

Only strong teams left to face (India, Pak, Aus and SA) and SL who are capable of causing an upset.
 
Nah we're very much capable of bombing out.

Only strong teams left to face (India, Pak, Aus and SA) and SL who are capable of causing an upset.
Dude, India is facing NZ tomorrow without Pandya. Not that he is that special, but the balance of the team goes haywire if he is not in the team. India will be forced to go with 5 bowlers with Shardul being one of them. If one of them gets tonked around, which is normal in ODIs, there is no one to turn their arm over.

Above all, NZ are the bogey team for India. Win this, they have one leg in KOs. There is SL to come as well.
 
Yet another tournament and yet another discussion of mathematical possibilities. What are the scenarios by which Pakistan can qualify now?

Straightforward qualification - Teams need minimum of 6 wins out of 9 games to qualify. Pakistan has 2 wins out of 4 and needs minimum 4 wins out of the remaining 5 games. These 5 games are against NZ, SA, ENG, AFG, BAN. Assuming Pakistan can win easily against BAN and AFG, we can only drop one game among NZ/SA/ENG to qualify outright.

Mathematical Qualification - I think we will have more clarity regarding this once the next 2 or 3 games are completed to see how good our NRR can be, and how other results can benefit Pakistan.

Is this the way forward or am I missing something here?
Need this round of matches to end for more clarity. 6 wins alone may not be enough as you might need NRR against another team. Only 7 wins absolutely guarantees qualification without the need for NRR.

So Pakistan would ideally want 2 teans to crash and burn . England looks most vulnerable . So support SA today :P.

Apart from that one other team from among NZ, SA and OZ need to have a stinker starting tmrw.

India have already beaten 2 strong teams so they look more secure for now at least.
 
Nah we're very much capable of bombing out.

Only strong teams left to face (India, Pak, Aus and SA) and SL who are capable of causing an upset.
Pakistan strong team? Come on are you serious. NZ can blow out this team with bench players.
 
Need this round of matches to end for more clarity. 6 wins alone may not be enough as you might need NRR against another team. Only 7 wins absolutely guarantees qualification without the need for NRR.

So Pakistan would ideally want 2 teans to crash and burn . England looks most vulnerable . So support SA today :p.

Apart from that one other team from among NZ, SA and OZ need to have a stinker starting tmrw.

India have already beaten 2 strong teams so they look more secure for now at least.
Looks like India will be unbeaten Champion and we will end up no. 8-9-10.
 
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