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Yet we are told Sarfaraz is making the team perform better. Certain posters won’t dare enter this thread.
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This record seems to indicate that its not really the bench strength which is the problem!
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Pakistan was very lucky to win the Champions Trophy. We have been really bad at ODI Cricket for a very long time now. Ehsan Mani's statement in a recent interview on Pakpassion is even more concerning. Mani identified Pakistan's struggles in Test Cricket only to ignore ODI Cricket.
Pakistan is not producing Test Batsman, One Day Batsman, or T20 Batsman. The ones that are being produced are being developed incorrectly or they are not being given the opportunity to play.
Pakistan is not producing Test Batsman, One Day Batsman, or T20 Batsman. The ones that are being produced are being developed incorrectly or they are not being given the opportunity to play.
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Pakistan losing a match to a top team is business as usual now. Winning one is an anomaly.
I think, as a whole PP needs to manage their expectations, the figures in OP shouldn't surprise many - and this is not for ODI only. May be, now the time has come to accept that the squad or available talent pool is just not where the hype puts them.
Not going by direct Win/Loss, in last 12 months if we look at 4 Asian teams (keeping Afghans aside, there time will come), every other team has gone through some unexpected downs, but some unexpected gains as well. It's the PCT that has been punching constantly below the weight. Going one by one, in that period -
IND has suffered a massive Test series loss in UK (not unexpected, but 3-2 would have been per), lost home ODI & T20 series to AUS and surprisingly failed to win 2 ODIs against WIN at home - these are down for them (read lower than expectation), but they have ups as well - winning 6-1 in SAF (ODI), winning Test series in AUS, winning ODI series (that too 4-1, from 3-0) in NZ, and may be winning an ODI series in AUS, while winning Asia cup without Kohli was unexpected in PP, but not for me - from Day 1, I put them as overwhelming favorites.
BD have lost several games, but only unexpected loss was probably the Test against ZIM, and may be they should have saved the 2nd Test against Kiwis after 2 days rain. Another disappointment may be losing 3-0 to AFGs in T20, but AFGs are actually higher ranked T20 team, 2-1 probably was a fair result and BD lost the 3rd T20 by the margin of inches. Lost the triangular Final against SRL at home, but in BD-SRL games, none comes as firm favorites these days. On contrary, there are over achievements as well - winning T20 & ODI series in WIN, making Asia Cup Finals, making Nidahas Trophy Finals, may be winning 2-0 against WIN in Test at home as well considering WIN's recent performance against Poms both in ODI & Test.
SRL is passing through the worst period of their cricket in may be 3 decades - still despite all sorts of downs (none of which were unexpected to be honest), they had one monumental achievement in SAF, may be a series win against SAF at home as well. They were never expected to make the Asia Cup Final, never to save a Test in AUS, NZ & SAF (still did bat out a day to save a Test in NZ), never been rated better ODI team (may be that AFG loss was only down), while their SAF win is among the greatest few achievements in cricket history considering the context.
Coming to PAK, in that period, probably only over achievement was THAT Lord's Test, one extra ODI win in SAF - I was expecting 4-1 and may be the T20 series win in NZ. Otherwise, if we go by series, each and every series in every format either team has under achieved or at most met expectation. Crashing ZIM reserves 5-0 was great, but not unexpected; neither that T20 triangular win, may be one extra (than expected) T20I was won against AUS last year. On contrary, starting from losing 2-0 to SRL, 5-0 in NZ, failing to make Asia Cup Final (let alone win it), losing Series at home to Kiwis, drawing one Test against AUS from that position, losing 3-0 to SAF like that (more evident after SRL tour), and finally losing a T20 series to SAF reserves and being 3-0 down to AUS in UAE ...... Considering the ranking (& points gap), any T20I win for PAK should be expected, therefore over a significant period, team has exceeded expectations may be just once - that Lord's win.
Even in Junior level, IND won U19 Asia Cup, made finals of emerging cup; SRL won the U23 emerging Cup; BD made both SF while PAK failed to make SF of U19 Asia cup, and lost to both BD & IND in U23 emerging cup - again from expectation perspectives, PAK is the worst achiever, followed by BD, who should have made the U19 Asia Cup finals.
This post wasn't to hurt anyone rather just to give a food for thoughts - may be the fans (I myself one - and no, it's not a fall back tactics) should look into perspectives with more realistic mind. This PCT (read generation) is border line minnow in Test & ODI ... and despite all heroics in T20I, reality is that it has failed to make the T20I WC SF for last 2 editions; therefore shouldn't be surprised with figures posted by OP.
Not going by direct Win/Loss, in last 12 months if we look at 4 Asian teams (keeping Afghans aside, there time will come), every other team has gone through some unexpected downs, but some unexpected gains as well. It's the PCT that has been punching constantly below the weight. Going one by one, in that period -
IND has suffered a massive Test series loss in UK (not unexpected, but 3-2 would have been per), lost home ODI & T20 series to AUS and surprisingly failed to win 2 ODIs against WIN at home - these are down for them (read lower than expectation), but they have ups as well - winning 6-1 in SAF (ODI), winning Test series in AUS, winning ODI series (that too 4-1, from 3-0) in NZ, and may be winning an ODI series in AUS, while winning Asia cup without Kohli was unexpected in PP, but not for me - from Day 1, I put them as overwhelming favorites.
BD have lost several games, but only unexpected loss was probably the Test against ZIM, and may be they should have saved the 2nd Test against Kiwis after 2 days rain. Another disappointment may be losing 3-0 to AFGs in T20, but AFGs are actually higher ranked T20 team, 2-1 probably was a fair result and BD lost the 3rd T20 by the margin of inches. Lost the triangular Final against SRL at home, but in BD-SRL games, none comes as firm favorites these days. On contrary, there are over achievements as well - winning T20 & ODI series in WIN, making Asia Cup Finals, making Nidahas Trophy Finals, may be winning 2-0 against WIN in Test at home as well considering WIN's recent performance against Poms both in ODI & Test.
SRL is passing through the worst period of their cricket in may be 3 decades - still despite all sorts of downs (none of which were unexpected to be honest), they had one monumental achievement in SAF, may be a series win against SAF at home as well. They were never expected to make the Asia Cup Final, never to save a Test in AUS, NZ & SAF (still did bat out a day to save a Test in NZ), never been rated better ODI team (may be that AFG loss was only down), while their SAF win is among the greatest few achievements in cricket history considering the context.
Coming to PAK, in that period, probably only over achievement was THAT Lord's Test, one extra ODI win in SAF - I was expecting 4-1 and may be the T20 series win in NZ. Otherwise, if we go by series, each and every series in every format either team has under achieved or at most met expectation. Crashing ZIM reserves 5-0 was great, but not unexpected; neither that T20 triangular win, may be one extra (than expected) T20I was won against AUS last year. On contrary, starting from losing 2-0 to SRL, 5-0 in NZ, failing to make Asia Cup Final (let alone win it), losing Series at home to Kiwis, drawing one Test against AUS from that position, losing 3-0 to SAF like that (more evident after SRL tour), and finally losing a T20 series to SAF reserves and being 3-0 down to AUS in UAE ...... Considering the ranking (& points gap), any T20I win for PAK should be expected, therefore over a significant period, team has exceeded expectations may be just once - that Lord's win.
Even in Junior level, IND won U19 Asia Cup, made finals of emerging cup; SRL won the U23 emerging Cup; BD made both SF while PAK failed to make SF of U19 Asia cup, and lost to both BD & IND in U23 emerging cup - again from expectation perspectives, PAK is the worst achiever, followed by BD, who should have made the U19 Asia Cup finals.
This post wasn't to hurt anyone rather just to give a food for thoughts - may be the fans (I myself one - and no, it's not a fall back tactics) should look into perspectives with more realistic mind. This PCT (read generation) is border line minnow in Test & ODI ... and despite all heroics in T20I, reality is that it has failed to make the T20I WC SF for last 2 editions; therefore shouldn't be surprised with figures posted by OP.
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An ODI minnow 
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Aapka time ayega!
Hang in there. Pakistan is trying hard at not peaking too early.
Hang in there. Pakistan is trying hard at not peaking too early.
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Micky and sarfaraz strategy is beyond common mans understanding. It's a master strategy. They will lose on purpose to Australia and England for two reasons. First eliminate law of average interference during world cup by making sure it's on their side because if you lose all till world cup then law of averages will have no option but to make Pakistan win all games in world cup. Secondly all teams will underestimate Pakistan because of loss streak and then take advantage of that to catch them by surprise.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan were 218/2 after 41 overs<br>Pakistan finished on 271/8 after 50 overs<br>Pakistan scored 53/6 from the last 9 overs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1111704837639553024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even by Pakistan's standards, today's loss was incredible:<br><br>Needed only 60 runs off the last 9 overs<br>Had 8 wickets in hand<br>2 settled batsmen at the crease<br>Aussie bowling looking ineffective<br>Aussie skipper running out of ideas<br><br>Ended up scoring 53/6 in the last 9 overs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvAus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvAus</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1111722754582212609?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is only the 4th time in history that Pakistan has lost an ODI series 5-0:<br><br>versus West Indies in 1988<br>versus Australia in 2010<br>versus New Zealand in 2018<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvAUS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1112423291774554112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 31, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 17 ODIs:<br><br>Lost<br>N/r<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Won<br>N/r<br>Won<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1127285152210718720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 21 matches across all formats:<br><br>Lost 17<br>Won 3<br>No Result 1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1128398824840540160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It all started with the Asia Cup. Mickey Arthur's reactionary selections have hurt us badly. He did not have the vision to select and groom a balanced squad during his tenure.
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Dont worry we'll start the rebuilding process soon after the world cup
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This is what happens when we don't play lots of games against minnows.
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Against other top 8 teams, Pakistan's record since the 2017 CT is 3 wins ,19 losses and 1 NR. Don't think that is an actual reflection of what this team is capable of. Only in the two Asia Cup matches against India did this team look completely helpless. Otherwise they have competed much better than what that record indicates.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 22 matches across all formats:<br><br>Lost 18<br>Won 3<br>No Result 1<br><br>The last time Pakistan won an international match was 6 February 2019<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1129664327542333440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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We are carrying some great momentum going into the World Cup.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 10 completed ODIs:<br><br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1130162867200827392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 10 ODI losses in a row equals Pakistan's worst ever run of defeats in ODI history which was from 30th October 1987 to 30th March 1988 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1130163072222597120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 23 matches in all formats:<br><br>Lost 19<br>Won 3<br>No Result 1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1130163947632513026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Honestly I'm just curious to know when was the last time Pakistan won a match in any format?
Also, When was the last time they won an ODI series excluding against Zimbabwe and Ireland.
Also, When was the last time they won an ODI series excluding against Zimbabwe and Ireland.
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Won 2 odis against sa.
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According to some, all is well and good as we've hit a few 350's on phatta pitches.
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But but Sarfraz will leave the team in a better place than when he took over.
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Pakistan will keep losing matches and fans will keep finding positives. The team has officially become a minnow.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The defeat against West Indies was Pakistan's 11th consecutive ODI defeat (completed matches). It is Pakistan's longest losing streak in ODI history, with their previous longest losing streak of 10 matches coming between 30 October 1987 and 30 March 1988 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvWI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvWI</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1134692099897663488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Pakistan's overall results in all formats since the 2015 World Cup
1 .Bangladesh Tour 2015
1) Lost the ODI Series 3-0
2) Lost the T-20 Series 1-0
3) Won the Test Series 1-0
2. Sri Lanka Tour 2015
1) Won the Test Series 2-1
2) Won the ODI Series 3-2
3) Won the T-20 Series 2-0
3. Zimbabwe Home Series 2015
1) Won the T-20 Series 2-0
2) Won the ODI Series 2-0
4. Zimbabwe Away Series 2015
1) Won the ODI Series 2-1
2) Won the T-20 Series 2-0
5. England Home Series 2015
1) Won the Test Series 2-0
2) Lost the ODI Series 3-1
3) Lost the T-20 Series 3-0
6. NewZealand Away Series 2016
1) Lost the T-20 Series 2-1
2) Lost the ODI Series 2-0
7. Asia T-20 Cup Series 2016
1) Lost to India
2) Lost to Bangladesh
3) Beat Sri Lanka
8. World Cup T-20 2016
1) Beat Bangladesh
2) Lost to India
3) Lost to NewZealand
4) Lost to Australia
9. Tour to England 2016
1) Drew the Test Series 2-2
2) Lost the ODI Series 4-1
3) Won the T-20 Series 1-0
10. West Indies Home Series 2016
1) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
2) Won the ODI Series 3-0
3) Won the Test Series 2-1
11. NewZealand Away Series 2016
1) Lost the Test Series 2-0
12. Pakistan Australia Away Series 2016/2017
1) Lost the Test Series 3-0
2) Lost the ODI Series 4-1
13. Pakistan Tour to West Indies Away Series 2017
1) Won the T-20 Series 3-1
2) Won the ODI Series 2-1
3) Won the Test Series 2-1
14. Champions Trophy 2017
1) Lost to India
2) Beat South Africa
3) Beat Sri Lanka
4) Beat England
5) Beat India
15. Sri Lanka Home Series 2017
1) Lost the test series 2-0
2) Won the ODI Series 5-0
3) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
16. New Zealand Away Series 2018
1) Lost the ODI Series 5-0
2) Won the T-20 Series 2-1
17. Pakistan Ireland Tour 2018
1) Won the test series 1-0
18. Pakistan England Tour 2018
1) Drew the test series 1-1
2) Won the T-20 Series against Scotland 2-0
19. Pakistan Zimbabwe Australia Triangular T-20 series 2018
1) Won against Zimbabwe
2) Lost to Australia
3) Won against Zimbabwe
4) Won against Australia
5) Wong against Australia
Pakistan Zimbabwe ODI Series 2018
1) Won against Zimbabwe 5-0
20. Asia Cup 2018
1) Won against Hong Kong
2) Lost to India
3) Won against Afghanistan
4) Lost to India
5) Lost to Bangladesh
21. Pakistan Australia Home Series 2018
1) Won the test series 1-0
2) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
22. Pakistan NewZealand Home Series 2018
1) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
2) Drew the ODI Series 1-1
3) Lost the Test Series 2-1
23. Pakistan vs South Africa Away Series 2018/19
1) Lost the Test Series 3-0
2) Lost the ODI Series 3-2
3) Lost the T-20 Series 2-1
24. Pakistan vs Australia 2019
1) Lost the ODI Series 5-0
Between the ODI world cup 2015 and now, the following above are the international assignments Pakistan has been involved in. I mean look at our record against the likes of England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and India. Heck look at our record against Bangladesh. We even lost to the weakest Sri Lankan team at home.
This is not to bash any coach or captain but the above records and stats are alarming. The bulk of our wins have been against minnows and lowly ranked sides.
Clearly this indicates that the current batch of players playing for Pakistan are not good enough for modern day requirements. Why did the selectors not take action and punish players who were letting down the team and give chances to other players in domestic cricket? Surely they could not have done worse.
I also think the PCB needs to stop playing its best eleven in these bilateral T-20 games. Vast majority of countries around the world especially the Big 5 utilizes the T-20 games to test their bench strength, domestic players and rest their main cricketers while we play our first choice eleven in all these stupid T-20 games. First of all it gives an artificial sense of superiority, secondly it leads to players being fatigued, jaded and open to the risk of injury. I don't mind the full strength teams playing the T-20 WC's or in the PSL but thats about it.
I also think the PCB should appoint a director of cricket, one individual who will be completely accountable for the team's performance and be held responsible for the selectors, the coaches and the players and for the coordination of all the stake holders. I have a feeling that Wasim Khan because he is from the English Set up may be looking to fill out a position like this.
But clearly after this ODI WC, things have got to change in Pakistan Cricket, we have been on a terrible decline in the last 10 years and if the above record is not going to alarm anyone then i don't know what else will
1 .Bangladesh Tour 2015
1) Lost the ODI Series 3-0
2) Lost the T-20 Series 1-0
3) Won the Test Series 1-0
2. Sri Lanka Tour 2015
1) Won the Test Series 2-1
2) Won the ODI Series 3-2
3) Won the T-20 Series 2-0
3. Zimbabwe Home Series 2015
1) Won the T-20 Series 2-0
2) Won the ODI Series 2-0
4. Zimbabwe Away Series 2015
1) Won the ODI Series 2-1
2) Won the T-20 Series 2-0
5. England Home Series 2015
1) Won the Test Series 2-0
2) Lost the ODI Series 3-1
3) Lost the T-20 Series 3-0
6. NewZealand Away Series 2016
1) Lost the T-20 Series 2-1
2) Lost the ODI Series 2-0
7. Asia T-20 Cup Series 2016
1) Lost to India
2) Lost to Bangladesh
3) Beat Sri Lanka
8. World Cup T-20 2016
1) Beat Bangladesh
2) Lost to India
3) Lost to NewZealand
4) Lost to Australia
9. Tour to England 2016
1) Drew the Test Series 2-2
2) Lost the ODI Series 4-1
3) Won the T-20 Series 1-0
10. West Indies Home Series 2016
1) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
2) Won the ODI Series 3-0
3) Won the Test Series 2-1
11. NewZealand Away Series 2016
1) Lost the Test Series 2-0
12. Pakistan Australia Away Series 2016/2017
1) Lost the Test Series 3-0
2) Lost the ODI Series 4-1
13. Pakistan Tour to West Indies Away Series 2017
1) Won the T-20 Series 3-1
2) Won the ODI Series 2-1
3) Won the Test Series 2-1
14. Champions Trophy 2017
1) Lost to India
2) Beat South Africa
3) Beat Sri Lanka
4) Beat England
5) Beat India
15. Sri Lanka Home Series 2017
1) Lost the test series 2-0
2) Won the ODI Series 5-0
3) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
16. New Zealand Away Series 2018
1) Lost the ODI Series 5-0
2) Won the T-20 Series 2-1
17. Pakistan Ireland Tour 2018
1) Won the test series 1-0
18. Pakistan England Tour 2018
1) Drew the test series 1-1
2) Won the T-20 Series against Scotland 2-0
19. Pakistan Zimbabwe Australia Triangular T-20 series 2018
1) Won against Zimbabwe
2) Lost to Australia
3) Won against Zimbabwe
4) Won against Australia
5) Wong against Australia
Pakistan Zimbabwe ODI Series 2018
1) Won against Zimbabwe 5-0
20. Asia Cup 2018
1) Won against Hong Kong
2) Lost to India
3) Won against Afghanistan
4) Lost to India
5) Lost to Bangladesh
21. Pakistan Australia Home Series 2018
1) Won the test series 1-0
2) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
22. Pakistan NewZealand Home Series 2018
1) Won the T-20 Series 3-0
2) Drew the ODI Series 1-1
3) Lost the Test Series 2-1
23. Pakistan vs South Africa Away Series 2018/19
1) Lost the Test Series 3-0
2) Lost the ODI Series 3-2
3) Lost the T-20 Series 2-1
24. Pakistan vs Australia 2019
1) Lost the ODI Series 5-0
Between the ODI world cup 2015 and now, the following above are the international assignments Pakistan has been involved in. I mean look at our record against the likes of England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and India. Heck look at our record against Bangladesh. We even lost to the weakest Sri Lankan team at home.
This is not to bash any coach or captain but the above records and stats are alarming. The bulk of our wins have been against minnows and lowly ranked sides.
Clearly this indicates that the current batch of players playing for Pakistan are not good enough for modern day requirements. Why did the selectors not take action and punish players who were letting down the team and give chances to other players in domestic cricket? Surely they could not have done worse.
I also think the PCB needs to stop playing its best eleven in these bilateral T-20 games. Vast majority of countries around the world especially the Big 5 utilizes the T-20 games to test their bench strength, domestic players and rest their main cricketers while we play our first choice eleven in all these stupid T-20 games. First of all it gives an artificial sense of superiority, secondly it leads to players being fatigued, jaded and open to the risk of injury. I don't mind the full strength teams playing the T-20 WC's or in the PSL but thats about it.
I also think the PCB should appoint a director of cricket, one individual who will be completely accountable for the team's performance and be held responsible for the selectors, the coaches and the players and for the coordination of all the stake holders. I have a feeling that Wasim Khan because he is from the English Set up may be looking to fill out a position like this.
But clearly after this ODI WC, things have got to change in Pakistan Cricket, we have been on a terrible decline in the last 10 years and if the above record is not going to alarm anyone then i don't know what else will
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These are the facts and some of the fans need to take off their green tinted glasses and face the music.
Pakistan Cricket is finished.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is one of the sensible posters who called it long time a go.
The trajectory of the decline of Pakistan is horrifying.
Pakistan Cricket is finished.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is one of the sensible posters who called it long time a go.
The trajectory of the decline of Pakistan is horrifying.
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Its all easy to act gloomy in the face of adversity. The first thing to do when you face a problem is to acknowledge that you have a serious problem. Then the next step is to take corrective measures to deal with it. For me it is clear that the biggest problem is the quality of players the PCB is selecting, investing in are not good enough and it is ridiculous that the alternative players in domestic cricket have not been given a go. A culture has been established where a lot of players have not been pushed out of their comfort zones and been made to fight hard for their places.
Also Mickey Arthur's so called fitness crusade looks laughable when the captain and a few players look blatantly unfit. Someone needs to lay down the law of the land
Therein lies the mindset of our current players and think-tank.
In years gone by our players would be distraught at losing, but these days our guys are happy as we lost but scored over 300.
Wow seeing it in black and white like that shows what a bad team we are. Stats don't lie. I think they only way Pakistan will improve if we start playing our home matches in Pakistan. Until then, we will continue to struggle.
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Last time pakistan won a series against top5 in 2013vs s.africa that shows how bad pakistan team performance against top teams
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This is the most insightful post here
Mickey, Inzi and co lost their nerve after that tournment , brought back plenty of failures.
Further Mickey is just bad at picking spinners, Shadab went through a bad patch and we have kept faith with Yasir and Imad. Not picking a genuine spinner has hurt us.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan's record in all 3 formats since 7 November 2018:<br><br>Played 59<br>Won 16<br>Lost 33<br>Drawn 3<br>No Result 7<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1300145488499478528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Misbah-ul-Haq speaking to the press:
“Regarding T20Is, Pakistan was number 1, but when I came, we had a losing streak. We lost in SA and other places, we lost in England and the team had started going down. Everyone knows why that happened, some of the players like Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan went out of form. They were the main contributors. We are looking to take the guys back to that level. Our performances in England show we are on the right track and improving."
“Regarding T20Is, Pakistan was number 1, but when I came, we had a losing streak. We lost in SA and other places, we lost in England and the team had started going down. Everyone knows why that happened, some of the players like Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan went out of form. They were the main contributors. We are looking to take the guys back to that level. Our performances in England show we are on the right track and improving."
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As Pakistan supporter, this is the most depressing thread I have even seen on Twitter. And that includes threads on match fixing, cheating, lying, sexting, smoking hash, biting balls, slapping coaches, pirouetting on pitches, hitting fellow players, Mohali, Sydney, Malik, Akmal returns, Asad Shafiq and much more.
Yes right track by keeping Malik in the team
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Pakistan are very mediocre in all three formats.
We just don't have the quality to compete with the best.
Our bowling is very weak across all three formats. Abbas, Shaheen and Naseem are not a match winning combination. Look at the Australian, Indian or English attack in comparison and you will see how weak we are.
I would say the only time our batting was worse in recent years was during the 2010 tour of England but even for two tests of that series we had at least one player of international calibre in Mohammad Yousuf. Babar Azam performed well below expectation in this tour of England and reminded us that he has some way to go before being considered a true world beater.
From my experiences of observing domestic cricket, two batsmen we should have developed further were Bazid Khan and Ayub Dogar. Both were good, solid players with decent technique and courage. I saw the way Bazid batted during a tour game against England in 2005 and was surprised he wasn't included in the Test team for that series but Hasan Raza was. Ayub Dogar only got one Test match when technically he was the most technically sound player on the domestic circuit. People complain about Fawad Alam being treated unfairly but he was nowhere near as good as either Bazid or Ayub Dogar.
Instead we invested time and space in failures like Asad Shafiq and the results are in front of us.
We just don't have the quality to compete with the best.
Our bowling is very weak across all three formats. Abbas, Shaheen and Naseem are not a match winning combination. Look at the Australian, Indian or English attack in comparison and you will see how weak we are.
I would say the only time our batting was worse in recent years was during the 2010 tour of England but even for two tests of that series we had at least one player of international calibre in Mohammad Yousuf. Babar Azam performed well below expectation in this tour of England and reminded us that he has some way to go before being considered a true world beater.
From my experiences of observing domestic cricket, two batsmen we should have developed further were Bazid Khan and Ayub Dogar. Both were good, solid players with decent technique and courage. I saw the way Bazid batted during a tour game against England in 2005 and was surprised he wasn't included in the Test team for that series but Hasan Raza was. Ayub Dogar only got one Test match when technically he was the most technically sound player on the domestic circuit. People complain about Fawad Alam being treated unfairly but he was nowhere near as good as either Bazid or Ayub Dogar.
Instead we invested time and space in failures like Asad Shafiq and the results are in front of us.
Compare Pakistan bowling attack to austrlia India and england in a year or 2 not now.
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Pakistan are better than West Indies, SL, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and Ireland.
Pakistan are on par with South Africa.
Rest are ahead of Pakistan (India, Australia, England, and NZ).
So, Pakistan are currently #5 in the world.
Pakistan are on par with South Africa.
Rest are ahead of Pakistan (India, Australia, England, and NZ).
So, Pakistan are currently #5 in the world.
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Bowling line up was not settled 5 years back. Bowling line up is not settled now ... This has been happening for 7-8 years now. Each time, many posters will say that potential wise Pakistan is up there.
I am not saying that current bowlers will not get better, but it's useless to make such arguments. If bowling has been ordinary for decade then there comes a point where you don't simply rely on arguments like bowlers doing well after 2 years. You need bowlers to actually do well on sustained basis. One spell or 2 matches won't count... Nah, bowlers need to do well consistently and if they do then they will climb up in ranking. If that happens then talent wise being up there argument won't be needed.
Amir was hyped too much. He never performed well consistently to deserve that hype and his ranking trend reflected that. But most of the times, many posters were pushing him as some great bowler. He was simply a decent bowler who could bowl some good spells.
Last 10 years - 25 bowlers have taken more than 150 wickets
Pakistan has one spinner in that list and not a single pacer made it. Every other country has at least one pacer in this list. Yes, UAE was not very conducive for pacers, but 150 is not that high a cut off for 10 years.
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Pakistan needs to have couple of pacers with 150+ wickets in the next 10 years. That's not a too high aim. Hyping can start after 75-100 wickets, but not before that.
Hopefully, Pakistan young bowlers develop well, but I need to see 70-80 wickets in test before passing any judgement.
How many of the bowlers from pakistan have played more than 15 matches
I fink rahat and junaid pakistan are used to chopping and changing and playing players when they past age and fitness.
Now that thier is more younger bowlers you will see bowlers playing for longer and playing regular tests
PAK is not better than WIN, and not per with SAF - ranking gives a fair reflection of the team as it’s based on games over a longer period. That WTC ranking doesn’t tell much it’s not proper home & away contest - selective opponents for six sites is not comprehensive.
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Pakistan won in West Indies last time they were there.
West Indies can't even beat Bangladesh in Bangladesh. They are unlikely to win in UAE/Pakistan.
South Africa have gone downhill and I think Pakistan-SA series now can go either way.
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That's the point. They have to be good enough to play long and pick 150+ wickets. There is no point in hyping anyone unless they are around half way mark of 150 wickets.
That series was almost 4 years back - five players that were instrumental in that series win were Yasir, Amir, Misbah, Azhar & Abbas; you can add a sixth one in YK. I believe you can understand what I can trying to say here - even then, that series was won on the last ball of the series for a shockingly dumb shot by WIN #11. On contrary, under Holder, WI has moved forward considerably.
WIN couldn’t beat Bangladesh, in fact lost the series 2-0 because that series was played in BD and we won both tosses. Australia, England also have lost Test there batting second and they’ll lose again if they are to bat later - you can’t judge WIN based on what they did in BD two years back. They got England on mat once in England- they did make it to KO count.
PAK-SAF, in PAK will be a competitive series in PAK, but for that guy Yasir PAK definitely has an edge. In SAF, it’ll be another lop sided series. Remember, the guy robbing PAK batting in that series lost his place in Yorkshire starting XI in that same summer few moths later.
PAK has done well against SRL & BD is WTC - congrats to them for the achievement; but these were series played in PAK - wait for the return series before being so conclusive.
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You need a return tour to be convinced that Pakistan are miles better than Bangladesh? Lol
Westindies may have improved but they have done nothng to suggest they are better.
Southafrica are unlikely to beat pakistan away, better, australian sides have come and been thrashed on recent return tours to the UAE.
The OP is right in his assesment pretty much as of now.
OP is definitely right, because he is stating facts - you haven't noticed who actually OP is here and what he was stating ....... LOL.
I think, you have forgotten last PAK tour of Bangladesh, hence asking me a foolish question, though bringing Bangladesh was quite irrelevant here. And this is one point on which I'll drag every arrogant PAK fan like you - you should indeed be proud to be better, in cricket that is, than Bangladesh .... and that's your actual level... as of now.
Instead of OP, I believe you are talking about the fellow Bangladeshi poster I responded and you liked his post because it fits your ego. WIN have improved and they have enough to suggest that they are better - they have beaten England in a Test, in England - you don't fluke that. Last PAK win outside Asia was in 2018, in UK, in a year WIN also won a Test there and they have done it again this time..... and PAK fan had to be happy that two Tests were washed out.
No, better AUS team hasn't come to PAK/UAE and got thrashed - last time they came and drew a Test without their best three players - Smith, Warner & Cummins, despite losing both tosses. The PAK team that did thrash AUS was quite a different one - and that was my point as well. The recent PAK team has lost a Test series in UAE to NZ. Yes, SAF is unlikely to beat PAK away which I also have mentioned, but think about what they'll do at home .... as of now.
Buddy, I am quite a fan of PAK cricket and that's the only reason despite idiots trying to get under my skin ... I come here, time and again. But, you have to accept the reality and be reasonable to any one who doesn't pamper your over hyped talent. The fellow poster is a Bangladeshi like me and I have no issues in his assessment for BD, AFG, ZIM & Ireland, may be arguably SRL as well - but, he over did it with WIN & SAF. If you were not so desperate, before me, you would have come here to tell that SAF is still better and WIN may be unknown .... for that what SAF did to your team in last encounter. Unfortunately, the talent level of PAK cricket these days doesn't avail uber PAK fans that little commonsense - you have to remind time & again why you are 5th, not 7th.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan last 7 ODIs:<br><br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<br>Won<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1322222528367071233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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looks like under misbah the team is heading in the right direction
Only 3 of these were under Misbah. The first 4 are Pakistan’s last 4 matches at the World Cup.
Winning against teams like Zimb is no big deal, but 4 wins in a row in WC is very impressive. That collapse in the first game against WI cost the team dearly, if they had got to the SFs they would have a decent chance of winning it all.
If the game against India, if Rohit had played Hasan fractionally to the right, the inside edge would have got him bowled instead of a 4. Close, very close!
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All of them except the last one was under the captaincy of Sarfaraz.
First 4 were under Mickey. Last 3 under Misbah, out of that 1 against Zimbabwe, 2 against SL (captained by Sarfaraz and Misbah's first series), both at home.
I bet they will lose if the same SL comes to Pakistan.
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In sport the opposition tell you your weaknesses. You really think New Zealand are resting any first team players who aren't injured against Australia or India lol?
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I was the biggest fan and defender of Misbah, the player.
But all Misbah, the coach has done is taken this team downhill.
I look forward to the day he is sacked and replaced by a competent foreign coach.
But all Misbah, the coach has done is taken this team downhill.
I look forward to the day he is sacked and replaced by a competent foreign coach.
He cant even define roles
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Pakistan haven't won single odi series against top 5 since Nov 2013
Terrible record which need massive improvement
Terrible record which need massive improvement
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Last time was against Sa in nov 2013 against Sa in Sa
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In limited overs I felt Pak were incrementally improving in 2019 under Mickey and had a solid WC, a vision seemed to exist and you felt there was a better understanding/awareness of the modern game. Will Pak consistently post 300+ now? am not sure, I don’t think they specifically even practice power hitting, England took this further by utilising a baseball coach
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Only top 4 sides are ahead of Pakistan in ODIs. That's a whole lot better than the state of Pakistan's ODI cricket in the 2006-2017 period when they were a better ODI sode than only the Windies and that too thanks to a couple of dodgy action bowlers.
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This post is specifically about our ODI team.
Pakistan will continue to lag behind the top teams until they start playing ODI cricket with a modern approach. Every single one of our players should be able to accelerate, that too by hitting boundaries.
Nowadays, you can't play for your meaningless hundreds from 110 balls. Once you reach a 50, it is your duty to accelerate and start bringing the game into your team's favor.
Our batting approach is quite bland and primitive, we hope that one of our batsmen settles and gets a 100 from 100+ balls whereas everyone around him just rotates strike.
This approach does not work anymore, and frankly, we need to change our team quite considerably.
Firstly, looking over the stats, Imad Wasim has been pretty good at the lower order batting with a high strike rate . For example, in 2019, he batted in 21 innings with a strike rate greater than 130, averaging in the high 40s as well. Yes, he has limitations as a bowler, but that batting is quite under rated, and frankly, it is a component of the modern game.
People like Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf are quite unknown at the moment as far as their batting goes in ODI cricket. They are yet to prove themselves as players who can hit the ball hard, and take the game away from the opposition.
When I genuinely look at the current Pakistan team, the only batsmen I see capable of turning the game in our favor are Fakhar Zaman and Babar Azam. Fakhar, when he's on song, is very destructive. Consistency needs to be brought into his game. Babar is perhaps the reason our team is even able to put up scores upwards of 200, but he has to do what Fakhar does, get settled and really go after the opposition.
Imam has the batting stats, such as a very high average, but is he really a modern day player? He bats at a strike rate of 80 on most occasions, and he really needs to improve on this aspect. There is no reason that he should be hitting 50 from 70 balls against a mediocre Zimbabwe side, and he is a liability when he plays more than 50 balls.
Haider looks like a good prospect, and if he can develop into a good opening batsman, he is another player who could genuinely take the game away from opponents.
But where we constantly find ourselves lacking is the position of a power-hitter. After Afridi, we have not produced a single person capable of launching the ball into the crowd. Asif Ali is going to get another chance, and he should look forward to performing, as it could be his last chance in Pakistan colors. After him, we really don't have any other choices.
Our bowling also needs some more defining. Is Shadab going to be our white-ball spinner? Does Nawaz genuinely have a defined place on the team?
Pakistan will continue to lag behind the top teams until they start playing ODI cricket with a modern approach. Every single one of our players should be able to accelerate, that too by hitting boundaries.
Nowadays, you can't play for your meaningless hundreds from 110 balls. Once you reach a 50, it is your duty to accelerate and start bringing the game into your team's favor.
Our batting approach is quite bland and primitive, we hope that one of our batsmen settles and gets a 100 from 100+ balls whereas everyone around him just rotates strike.
This approach does not work anymore, and frankly, we need to change our team quite considerably.
Firstly, looking over the stats, Imad Wasim has been pretty good at the lower order batting with a high strike rate . For example, in 2019, he batted in 21 innings with a strike rate greater than 130, averaging in the high 40s as well. Yes, he has limitations as a bowler, but that batting is quite under rated, and frankly, it is a component of the modern game.
People like Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf are quite unknown at the moment as far as their batting goes in ODI cricket. They are yet to prove themselves as players who can hit the ball hard, and take the game away from the opposition.
When I genuinely look at the current Pakistan team, the only batsmen I see capable of turning the game in our favor are Fakhar Zaman and Babar Azam. Fakhar, when he's on song, is very destructive. Consistency needs to be brought into his game. Babar is perhaps the reason our team is even able to put up scores upwards of 200, but he has to do what Fakhar does, get settled and really go after the opposition.
Imam has the batting stats, such as a very high average, but is he really a modern day player? He bats at a strike rate of 80 on most occasions, and he really needs to improve on this aspect. There is no reason that he should be hitting 50 from 70 balls against a mediocre Zimbabwe side, and he is a liability when he plays more than 50 balls.
Haider looks like a good prospect, and if he can develop into a good opening batsman, he is another player who could genuinely take the game away from opponents.
But where we constantly find ourselves lacking is the position of a power-hitter. After Afridi, we have not produced a single person capable of launching the ball into the crowd. Asif Ali is going to get another chance, and he should look forward to performing, as it could be his last chance in Pakistan colors. After him, we really don't have any other choices.
Our bowling also needs some more defining. Is Shadab going to be our white-ball spinner? Does Nawaz genuinely have a defined place on the team?
This is exactly the same issue Indian top 4 is facing. All those players are playing for self preservation.
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100 off 15
200 off 30
300 off 45
340 off 50
This should be the mantra for pakistan Every player going at strke rate of 100 throughout Theres no settling getting your eye in Go hard from the start
This is what pakistan were doing the england series in 2019 and the world cup where they had some sucess
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The difference is that the current Indian team has the quality within their batting lineup to accelerate when required, which Pakistan does not.
Hence, it is the reason why India will be able to chase down targets of 350+ and Pakistan will almost certainly fall short.
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