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Who is better ODI bowler of two?

Waqar Younis:-

416 wickets @23.8, Econ 4.68

Pat Cummins:-

141 wickets @28.67, Econ 5.29

Waqar was superb in bilateral although a bit on expensive side while Cummins is mediocre in ODI bilaterals.

In World Cup particularly the Final of 2023 edition, Cummins produced a remarkable spell under his inspirational captaincy where he got the prized wicket of Virat Kohli and endured collapse in middle order.

Waqar on other hand has forgettable memory of World Cup having taken apart by Ajay Jadeja in 1996 Quarter Finals even though Pakistan on paper were a stronger side. He never won a WC as he wasn’t part of 1992 World Cup team which won due to performances of Wasim and Imran in Finals and Inzy in semis.
 
Is that even a contest? I mean Pat Cummins is not even greatest in ODI format in his generation.

Waqar has 3X the wickets of Pat with a much better stat overall. He couldn't play 92 WC unfortunately. But if we are comparing players then eyes closed I'm picking Waqar in this format.

Some of his spells that he has bowled hasn't ever been closely replicated by Pat in the format.
 
Was constantly told that if a bowler doesn’t have a ICC WC it doesn’t mean zilch, so yeah Cummins and Starc over Younis easily
 
Not going to bother looking up stats
Seen both in their primes

Hands down cummins

Waqar is around Mitchell Johnson mo shami level

Ohhh odi not tests

Odi then waqar

Tests for sure its cummins
 
Cummins was never a great odi bowler. He was not even the best bowler in his own team. Starc was a signficantly superior bowler. Him bowling slower cutters into the pitch to ODI misfit SKY is not going to make him a great bowler. He just had a lucky day.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Cummins was never a great odi bowler. He was not even the best bowler in his own team. Starc was a signficantly superior bowler. Him bowling slower cutters into the pitch to ODI misfit SKY is not going to make him a great bowler. He just had a lucky day.
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Cummins performed when it mattered. 2023 WC final. A performance of a lifetime.
 
Ab Fan said:
Who is better ODI bowler of two?

Waqar Younis:-

416 wickets @23.8, Econ 4.68

Pat Cummins:-

141 wickets @28.67, Econ 5.29

Waqar was superb in bilateral although a bit on expensive side while Cummins is mediocre in ODI bilaterals.

In World Cup particularly the Final of 2023 edition, Cummins produced a remarkable spell under his inspirational captaincy where he got the prized wicket of Virat Kohli and endured collapse in middle order.

Waqar on other hand has forgettable memory of World Cup having taken apart by Ajay Jadeja in 1996 Quarter Finals even though Pakistan on paper were a stronger side. He never won a WC as he wasn’t part of 1992 World Cup team which won due to performances of Wasim and Imran in Finals and Inzy in semis.
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Waqar vs shami would be better comparison.

And yes shami wins hands down.
 
Pat Cummins. He won his team all 3 world tournaments with his bowling contributions. Temperamentally way stronger and bowls in the T20 era on flatter pitches, bigger bats and shorter boundaries. Still has excellent stats. Waqar Younis was a great but overall Pat Cummins any day. Also add batting + fielding + captaincy skills. No brainer.

Not putting Waqar down. He is a legend but overall Cummins will have a bigger legacy.
 
These types of comparisons are not fair. Different eras, different rules ETC.
 
Cummins bowls in a harder era and is primarily a Middle overs bowler.

He's known for his economy and breakthroughs at key moments while waqar is an opening and death owler specialist.

Comparisons do not make sense, however if you wanna compare.

Peak Waqar is the better bowler however Cummins not only has maintained longetivity whereas waqar plummeted off a cliff, Cummins is also an atg captain, followed by the fact that he's ironically one of the best tail enders in the world with the bat. His contribution for sa wc 2023 semi final and Afghanistan game cannot be understated. Solid test gun too.

Cummins is overall the better cricketer, but yes if you wanna play the whole only odi and test followed by peak eras of 1990-1994 waqar only, then yes waqar wins.

Ig longetivity goes out the window for certain people like @Devadwal smh
 
RidiculousMan said:
Is that even a contest? I mean Pat Cummins is not even greatest in ODI format in his generation.

Waqar has 3X the wickets of Pat with a much better stat overall. He couldn't play 92 WC unfortunately. But if we are comparing players then eyes closed I'm picking Waqar in this format.

Some of his spells that he has bowled hasn't ever been closely replicated by Pat in the format.
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A World Cup winner over a World Cup choker?
kron said:
Not going to bother looking up stats
Seen both in their primes

Hands down cummins

Waqar is around Mitchell Johnson mo shami level

Ohhh odi not tests

Odi then waqar

Tests for sure its cummins
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Ab Fan said:
The thread basically exposes the logic of same folks who claims that only World Cup performance in wins and winning the World Cup matters.
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What happens if say someone is really good in icc events but not good in bilaterals.

Say zak khan for instance. His averages are good in icc tourneys. But his average in bilaterals is not as good.

say shaheen shah average is better in icc events for odi than waqar. And it is actually. Does that mean he is better or not?
Plus he dint get to play in pak's better sides of 90s when they were a strong odi side. How do we quantify this?

Do we just look at skills or? Plus shaheen played in a tougher era with 2 new ball rule, harsher field restrictions, power play rules etc.

I personally believe waqar is obviously better than both zak and shaheen but yes it's not easy to make a comparison. Some players don't try hard in bilaterals. They reserve their best for icc events.
 
Comparison threads nowadays here seem to be more about thread creators' trying to do a windup job than to do any interesting comparative analysis for fans.

Would request mods to intervene on creation of such threads
 
Waqar, yorker comes from Caucasians trying to pronounce Waqar and ended up saying Yorker :waqar
 
All of these is not to say that Amla was not a great batsman. In fact from 2008-2013 I will rank him as the best batsman og the world even in front of Sangakara. But that's also the time line with the worst bowling line ups in my time of watching cricket. The only genuine great bowling lime up at that time was Amla's own. Compared to Roots time I will say the only country with better bowling at that time was Pakistan and Srilanka. India new zealand Australia and West Indies has much better bowling during Root's time.
 
Iv got a comparison thread WG Grace vs Harry Brook.. you can’t compare different era players, even current ones.
 
Cummins performed when it mattered the most so who cares about X no. of wickets.

Pat Cummins definitely has an edge
 
Waqar Younis took the pitch out of equation. Before injury he was probably closest to Marshall.

Waqar took 3 consecutive 5 wicket hauls in OD and 3 consecutive hauls of 4 wickets a record three times.
 
Some of the comparison threads asking hard questions that I would suggest are:

1) Arthur Morris vs Saim Ayub
2) Bill Voce vs Mir Hamza
3) Joe Root vs 1902-03 Clem Hill
4) Did the propaganda of English WG Grace fans threaten the legacies of MoYo and Amla as best cricketing beards?
 
Sorry, taking only world cup performance as a parameter is not something I can agree with.

Waqar Younis ahead of Cummins everyday of the week and twice on weekends.
 
mominsaigol said:
Cummins bowls in a harder era and is primarily a Middle overs bowler.

He's known for his economy and breakthroughs at key moments while waqar is an opening and death owler specialist.

Comparisons do not make sense, however if you wanna compare.

Peak Waqar is the better bowler however Cummins not only has maintained longetivity whereas waqar plummeted off a cliff, Cummins is also an atg captain, followed by the fact that he's ironically one of the best tail enders in the world with the bat. His contribution for sa wc 2023 semi final and Afghanistan game cannot be understated. Solid test gun too.

Cummins is overall the better cricketer, but yes if you wanna play the whole only odi and test followed by peak eras of 1990-1994 waqar only, then yes waqar wins.

Ig longetivity goes out the window for certain people like @Devadwal smh
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Have you even watched Waqar bowl live?
 
mominsaigol said:
Cummins bowls in a harder era and is primarily a Middle overs bowler.

He's known for his economy and breakthroughs at key moments while waqar is an opening and death owler specialist.

Comparisons do not make sense, however if you wanna compare.

Peak Waqar is the better bowler however Cummins not only has maintained longetivity whereas waqar plummeted off a cliff, Cummins is also an atg captain, followed by the fact that he's ironically one of the best tail enders in the world with the bat. His contribution for sa wc 2023 semi final and Afghanistan game cannot be understated. Solid test gun too.

Cummins is overall the better cricketer, but yes if you wanna play the whole only odi and test followed by peak eras of 1990-1994 waqar only, then yes waqar wins.

Ig longetivity goes out the window for certain people like @Devadwal smh
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Nahi nahi, not this word salad.

Simple, consider their overall ODI career, who do you pick as the better ODI bowler.

You are going to make a team that will play both bilaterals and tournaments and you can just pick one of them, no selective period filtering here.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Sorry, taking only world cup performance as a parameter is not something I can agree with.

Waqar Younis ahead of Cummins everyday of the week and twice on weekends.
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Ya. this nonsense parameter was introduced mainly to put down certain players. Mohinder Amarnath would beat out most bowlers.
 
Major said:
Have you even watched Waqar bowl live?
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Yes I have and he's clearly the superior bowler at his peak. Theirs no question about it.

Call need to stop jumping the gun. However it doesn't change the fact that I've also seen him bowl during his crap periods and how poor he was during said periods while cummins has remained consistent throughout his career.

Yes waqar is the superior bowler during his golden days and yes I'd take waqar over cummins if given the hypothetical option.

However cummins overall is the better cricketer. He's yet to decline, a much superior batsmen and while the batting g point sounds dull, it doesn't change the fact that this said batting took Australia to the final againat afg and sa.

And he's a gun captain as well and just isn't a world cup choker either.

Waqar > Cummins as a bowler, but cummins is still the better cricketer.

It's just cummins can't get Into Australia atg team besides t20 as they already have a plethora of respurces while waqar gets into any pak atg side due to limited resources for cummins.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
So why not pick him ahead of Waqar, who bottled in when it mattered? Hypocrisy?
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I'd take cummins over waqar in a world cup but for bi laterals I'd take waqar.

However none of these 2 make my odi atg wc side.

My odi wc 11 atg would be

1) Sachin
2) Gilchrist
3) Pointing (C)( Sprry kohli, but I need a captain)
4) Viv Richards
5) De villers
6) Micheal Bevan
7) Imran Khan/Kapil Dev
8-11) Wasim Akram, Jasprit Bumrah, Glenn Mcgrath, Shane Warne/Murli

Although I have co sobered Shaun Pollock as well since it would strength the batting at the tail, but that would mean one of wasim or Bumrah would have to make way and I can't take said chance.
 
Pat Cummins is an ordinary ODI bowler. So Waqar all the way in this comparison. Cummins is a great in Tests though.
 
giri26 said:
Pat Cummins is an ordinary ODI bowler. So Waqar all the way in this comparison. Cummins is a great in Tests though.
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yea. In terms of total wickets Waqar is at 4 Cummins is at 190 lol This guy didn't even play that many ODIs.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
yea. In terms of total wickets Waqar is at 4 Cummins is at 190 lol This guy didn't even play that many ODIs.
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Correct, Cummins has 141 ODI wickets at 29. That is an ordinary record, even worse than Srinath and Agarkar. He should not even be compared to Waqar or any bowler who is considered as great in LOIs. The best ODI bowlers in the last 3 decades from Australia at McGrath, Lee and Starc. He is a very good leader though, I will give him that.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes I have and he's clearly the superior bowler at his peak. Theirs no question about it.

Call need to stop jumping the gun. However it doesn't change the fact that I've also seen him bowl during his crap periods and how poor he was during said periods while cummins has remained consistent throughout his career.

Yes waqar is the superior bowler during his golden days and yes I'd take waqar over cummins if given the hypothetical option.

However cummins overall is the better cricketer. He's yet to decline, a much superior batsmen and while the batting g point sounds dull, it doesn't change the fact that this said batting took Australia to the final againat afg and sa.

And he's a gun captain as well and just isn't a world cup choker either.

Waqar > Cummins as a bowler, but cummins is still the better cricketer.

It's just cummins can't get Into Australia atg team besides t20 as they already have a plethora of respurces while waqar gets into any pak atg side due to limited resources for cummins.
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so from watching cricket after 2015, you have also watched cricket in the 90s wow.

its hilarious how people who have not seen a a particular player are writing essays here
 
Major said:
so from watching cricket after 2015, you have also watched cricket in the 90s wow.

its hilarious how people who have not seen a a particular player are writing essays here
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You're the only person who created the 2015 narrative. I never claimed it or even implied it.

Where did you get this watching post 2015 from? Please highlight the comment where I've said it.

It's hilarious how people eother lie or have vivid imagination.
 
A key trait I've noticed about Misbah fans, they have a huge habit of talking about events that never occured
 
Waqar's records always have an asterisk for people who know something about Cricket. Despite the asterisks, its still Waqar for me in this comparison.
 
To be honest I would certainly take Waqar in best ever Pakistan XI in OD , best ever Asian OD XI , and a very strong contender for even all time best OD.
 
Funny how Pakistan manages to win the World Cup when Waqar was not part of the squad. :waqar

They dropped him again in 1999 and they reached Finals.
 
Ab Fan said:
Funny how Pakistan manages to win the World Cup when Waqar was not part of the squad. :waqar

They dropped him again in 1999 and they reached Finals.
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When we compare players we have to look at their peaks, and in his peak Waqar was absolute beast. His career strike rate is 30.5
 
mominsaigol said:
A key trait I've noticed about Misbah fans, they have a huge habit of talking about events that never occured
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A key trait about posters around here is that they have a habit of talking of events they never even saw and assume based on scorecard.

Wasnt even born, and yet here you are writing essays on Waqar loool
 
Very random thread actually.

Waqar is one of the greatest ever ODI pacers. Pat Cummins is not the Top 10 in his own era as an ODI bowler.
 
Ab Fan said:
Funny how Pakistan manages to win the World Cup when Waqar was not part of the squad. :waqar

They dropped him again in 1999 and they reached Finals.
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And the 2 times he had responsibility as a captain in 2003 and spearhead in 1996 QF, we know how it went :sachin
 
Waqar’s poor record in WC especially going missing in big games raises legitimate questions about his legacy as white ball cricketer and additionally, he was very expensive too for the era he played in.
Local.Dada said:
And the 2 times he had responsibility as a captain in 2003 and spearhead in 1996 QF, we know how it went :sachin
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mominsaigol said:
I'd take cummins over waqar in a world cup but for bi laterals I'd take waqar.

However none of these 2 make my odi atg wc side.

My odi wc 11 atg would be

1) Sachin
2) Gilchrist
3) Pointing (C)( Sprry kohli, but I need a captain)
4) Viv Richards
5) De villers
6) Micheal Bevan
7) Imran Khan/Kapil Dev
8-11) Wasim Akram, Jasprit Bumrah, Glenn Mcgrath, Shane Warne/Murli

Although I have co sobered Shaun Pollock as well since it would strength the batting at the tail, but that would mean one of wasim or Bumrah would have to make way and I can't take said chance.
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Bevan's str rate is around 74, he wasnt a good hitter, I still rate him high but Dhoni definitely is the GOAT finisher for me.

At number 6 a team needs a big hitting batsman.
For example Imran and Bevan have the same str rate despite batting in a different era, one played whole ODI career with a RED ball.

Not something I can compromise on.

Similarly Dev ahead of Imran coz again we need a big hitter at 7 , also the fielding strengthens with his inclusion over IMran.

Bumrah I won't keep right now at all, he needs more iconic performances in ODIs atleast.
 
Greatest subcontinent fast bowlers
Wasim
Bumrah
Imran
Shami
Waqar
Kapil
Zaheer Khan-Shoaib Akthar (tie)
Vaas
 
Major said:
A key trait about posters around here is that they have a habit of talking of events they never even saw and assume based on scorecard.

Wasnt even born, and yet here you are writing essays on Waqar loool
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Why don't you address the 2015 allegations first? Go on prove it
 
Major said:
A key trait about posters around here is that they have a habit of talking of events they never even saw and assume based on scorecard.

Wasnt even born, and yet here you are writing essays on Waqar loool
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Oh and BTW, I've seen your past comments.

You've admitted you started watching cricket in 2006. I can pull up 2006 claim. It's on Misbah vs Inzi thread.
 
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I don't understand why Pakistani fans are mad at me?

I've straight up acknowledged Waqar as the better bowler? In which comment have I claimed Cummins is better?

I've seen waqar bowl and he's gun but I stand by what I claim, I will not take Waqar over cummins in a wc if given the choice.

Cummins has aussie mentality and in odi he always comes good.

You need to look at the bigger picture. I apologise for brining this as this is a comparison thread so waqar fans please take the cake.

But Cummins is a solid no 8, solid Middle overs bowler, a solid guy who can be your captain or vc, and gells a team better.

Waqar would fit In 9-11 slots and their just better bowlers for that.

Again Cummins doesn't make it in my odi wc team either tbf
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
Bevan's str rate is around 74, he wasnt a good hitter, I still rate him high but Dhoni definitely is the GOAT finisher for me.

At number 6 a team needs a big hitting batsman.
For example Imran and Bevan have the same str rate despite batting in a different era, one played whole ODI career with a RED ball.

Not something I can compromise on.

Similarly Dev ahead of Imran coz again we need a big hitter at 7 , also the fielding strengthens with his inclusion over IMran.

Bumrah I won't keep right now at all, he needs more iconic performances in ODIs atleast.
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I'm fine with dev ahead of Imran but I'm not taking Dhoni under any circumstances.

First and foremost I already have a keeper in gilchrist who's hit close to 150 in a final, I believe it was 147 or something, don't remember. And I already have Pointing as captain who's a 3x wc winner.

Secondly Dhoni took time to go bang bang punishment mode. And lastly outside Asia he sucks. Bevan and dhoni also played in different eras and Bevan has finished more games(Based of same no of matches) then Dhoni has.

Don't look at their SR, Look at their actual positions and games that they've won. Heck watch highlights. Bevan won games and finished it. So has Dhoni but outside Asia his sample size takes a massive hit and his botch size increases.

Either way, Gilchrist and pointing shut the door on Dhoni in this team

Side Note: I also have a backup keeper in de villers, so Dhoni isn't needed anyway
 
mominsaigol said:
I don't understand why Pakistani fans are mad at me?

I've straight up acknowledged Waqar as the better bowler? In which comment have I claimed Cummins is better?

I've seen waqar bowl and he's gun but I stand by what I claim, I will not take Waqar over cummins in a wc if given the choice.

Cummins has aussie mentality and in odi he always comes good.

You need to look at the bigger picture. I apologise for brining this as this is a comparison thread so waqar fans please take the cake.

But Cummins is a solid no 8, solid Middle overs bowler, a solid guy who can be your captain or vc, and gells a team better.

Waqar would fit In 9-11 slots and their just better bowlers for that.

Again Cummins doesn't make it in my odi wc team either tbf
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no one has issues with you favoring either waqar or even cummins. Thing is, you are commentating on players who you never watched play, you are making outlandish comments as if you saw him play.

watching a youtube video means nothing, as those are just clips of good moments.

The fact that you didnt watch a person play, and than write an essay on his bowling is just ridiculous. No one has an issue with you watching cricket after 2015 or 2012, but thing is, dont go around making comments or pretending as if you have watched 90s or early 2000 cricket.
 
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Pat Cummins with an Australian mentality is ahead of Waqar Younis with a Pakistani mentality. Gotta admit what is right. Waqar was a great bowler but Cummins has achieved much more than him as a players, captain, everything.
 
Major said:
no one has issues with you favoring either waqar or even cummins. Thing is, you are commentating on players who you never watched play, you are making outlandish comments as if you saw him play.

watching a youtube video means nothing, as those are just clips of good moments.

The fact that you didnt watch a person play, and than write an essay on his bowling is just ridiculous. No one has an issue with you watching cricket after 2015 or 2012, but thing is, dont go around making comments or pretending as if you have watched 90s or early 2000 cricket.
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On what basis are you making Misbah > Inzi claims or Claiming Miandad is the 2nd greatest after Babar when you never watched them either? You claimed you started watching after 2006 so kindly explain your essays's first.

And don't say 2015 or 2012 or what not. Go on and highlight where I claimed I started watching after 2015 or in 2015, cause I have the comment about your 2006 claim.

Go on, tell me about your miandad and inzi claims.
 
Against SENA+Ind+WI Waqar ave 23.9.Home 22.23 and away 24.3.Better than Cummins
 
During 1989-2000 ave runs per wickets in odi was 27 but it went up to 29 during Cummins era.We give him 2 runs boost.His ave is 26.Now enough to rival 24 of Waqar
 
Cummins.

More talented
Morally superior
Better looking
More intelligent and hence the better captain.

Waqar Younis was Haris Rauf version 1 without fiddling non stop with the ball.

Still got smashed by Jadeja and shown his aukaat.

Nahid Rana would be a better comparison for Waqar.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Sorry, taking only world cup performance as a parameter is not something I can agree with.

Waqar Younis ahead of Cummins everyday of the week and twice on weekends.
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Agree with this. It's not even WC performance for Cummins, it was just one good game in finals.

Many posters hype one final too much despite Cummins not having anything stellar in WC over all. He averages 28.xx in ODI WC with not that impressive ER.

All pacers in ODI WC against non-minnows - 20 wickets with 29 or less average.

Cummins avg is in bottom 4.

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I know some one will raise a point that look Wasim averaged 29 as well and many posters rate him high due to one final.

Well, I never rate Wasim high due to one final. He does not have a great WC record, but Wasim had a fantastic over all record in ODI games. That's why Wasim is rated high. It's silly to rate some one very high based on one game - be it Gambhir, Wasim or Cummins. It can be some bonus points. If Cummins had stellar over all WC record then it would have been different but just one game is not worth pointing out.

Players are rated mainly based on what they have done in entire career. Waqar was not in same league as Wasim and had ordinary record in WC, but he was good in ODI over all. Cummins is neither a good ODI bowler nor has a great WC record. I am sorry, one final in WC does not mean anything when you have ordinary career and WC record. Also, I see many reference of Jadeja hitting Waqar, it can happen to anyone in one match and also the WC is non-issue for Waqar. No one rates Waqar for WC.

Over all, Waqar is a better ODI bowler.
 
Obsession with world cup record is too much

Cricket is a sport where same teams play each other each year then meet in a world cup and even then world cup is structured to maximise everyone's playing times.

There is very little unknowns or pressure games like in other international sports.

Prior to T20 leagues majority of the world cup group matches have same pressure and impact as bilaterals. There was literally nothing different.

You can make an argument for semi final or final yes.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Obsession with world cup record is too much

Cricket is a sport where same teams play each other each year then meet in a world cup and even then world cup is structured to maximise everyone's playing times.

There is very little unknowns or pressure games like in other international sports.

Prior to T20 leagues majority of the world cup group matches have same pressure and impact as bilaterals. There was literally nothing different.

You can make an argument for semi final or final yes.
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Yea.. way too many intangible parameters will be at play. For instance 2016 final Jo Root would have won man of the match but for filth dished out by Stokes to Brathwhite. Root scored 54 in 36 balls and picked Gayle and JOhnson charles in one over he bowled opening the bowling. Whatever good he did was spoilt by his team mate.

Same way in the semi final 2016 Kohli played a blinder. But couple of noball dismissals screwed India


Same way Kohli played brilliantly in 2014 final. But Yuvraj's inexplicable 22 ball 12 runs totally buried India.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yea.. way too many intangible parameters will be at play. For instance 2016 final Jo Root would have won man of the match but for filth dished out by Stokes to Brathwhite. Root scored 54 in 36 balls and picked Gayle and JOhnson charles in one over he bowled opening the bowling. Whatever good he did was spoilt by his team mate.

Same way in the semi final 2016 Kohli played a blinder. But couple of noball dismissals screwed India


Same way Kohli played brilliantly in 2014 final. But Yuvraj's inexplicable 22 ball 12 runs totally buried India.
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There are intangibles at play always. For example a random group game in a world cup isn't equal to what happens towards the end of the group stages where the games become de facto knockouts.

I just don't see the need to amplify world games up a tier when discussing players.

For the majority of cricket up until advent of IPL a match should be considered a match no matter the tournament or series.
 
Hellion said:
Cummins.

More talented
Morally superior
Better looking
More intelligent and hence the better captain.

Waqar Younis was Haris Rauf version 1 without fiddling non stop with the ball.

Still got smashed by Jadeja and shown his aukaat.

Nahid Rana would be a better comparison for Waqar.
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Is this a real post or sarcasm ?
 
Only in tests is Cummins the superior bowler. In ODIs Waqar is miles ahead.
 
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Cummins is better because we have been taught by some posters over here that only trophy cabinets matter.

Cummins has a ODI World Cup win while Waqar never had one. To make matter worse, he has to get injured and dropped for his team to qualify to a WC Final in either 1992 or 1999 WC. They only qualify to a World Cup Final when Waqar played.
 
It's funny posters who drool over ICC trophies and World Cup knock outs suddenly talking differently.
 
ODI?? Waqar Younis I think. Pat cummins is a work horse but Waqar is 1-step ahead IMO.

In tests, i would say Pat Cummins is ahead no doubt.
 
Pat Cummins is better in the more Important format.

Pat also performed better in odi when it mattered

So Pat hands down in all formats. Sorry
 
Waqar was a loser who always soiled his green pajama come the ultimate pressure match.

How could anyone rate him equal to a WC winning champion like Cummins?
 
Local.Dada said:
Pat Cummins. He won his team all 3 world tournaments with his bowling contributions. Temperamentally way stronger and bowls in the T20 era on flatter pitches, bigger bats and shorter boundaries. Still has excellent stats. Waqar Younis was a great but overall Pat Cummins any day. Also add batting + fielding + captaincy skills. No brainer.

Not putting Waqar down. He is a legend but overall Cummins will have a bigger legacy.
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2015 was because of Starc
In 2023, I recall Cummins averaged something like 34 with the ball going into the final.
2021, you can attribute to Warner and Zampa.

The debate should be Waqar vs Starc, not Waqar vs Cummins.
 
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