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Seriously India ??? You guys are getting seriously funny now a days.
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He was a bigot. Demolished temples and church. And the inscription on his sword removes all the doubts about his bigotry.
Dont know why bigots are celebrated by their respective communities.
Dont know why bigots are celebrated by their respective communities.
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Sangh Parivar and BJP have been systematically trying to discredit former Kings of India if they were Muslim, it is part of their party's DNA and has been since before the partition. It is quite funny to see the effect this has had on the nature of Indian society itself as a formerly mild and liberal culture becomes strident and full of suspicion towards their own people and outsiders such as Australian tourists.
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While Sangh Parivar has their own reasons for doing so, something should not be dismissed just because they are raising it. History should be judged from an objective pov, without worrying it will help the hardliners or the liberals.
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Objective POV is the key here though. I don't think either sangh or BJP are objective.
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Of course. They should not even factor in the truth behind history. If Tipu Sultan was a bigot, he should not be painted as tolerant just because Sangh parivar is against him.
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Picked this stuff from mk katju's fb page.it is interesting
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VHP activists are protesting against the Tipu Jayanti celebrations in Madikeri, Karnataka. One is said to have been killed
What is the truth about Tipu Sultan ? Was he secular or communal ? Before we consider this question we must know some facts.
The initial Muslim invaders who came into India no doubt broke a lot of Hindu temples, like for instance, Mahmood Ghazni who broke the Somnath temple.
However, their descendants ( e.g.Akbar, who was not an invader, though his grandfather Babur was ) who became local Muslim rulers in India, far from breaking temples used to give grants to temples and celebrated Hindu festivals like Holi and Diwali.
The descendants of those invaders who became local Muslim rulers ruled over populations of which about 80-90% were Hindus. They knew that if they broke temples there would be revolts and turmoils which no ruler wants. So in their own interest almost every one of the local Muslim rulers fostered communal harmony, they gave grants to Hindu temples, they celebrated Hindu festivals, e.g. the Mughal Emperors ( there is a controversy about Aurangzeb, about whom I have written a blog which may be seen on justicekatju.blogspot.in ), the Nawabs of Avadh, Murshidabad, Arcot, etc. For instance, the Nawab of Avadh used to organize Ramleela, and celebrate Holi and Diwali. Tipu Sultan used to give annual grants to 156 Hindu Temples, his Prime Minister was a Hindu called Punaiya his commander-in-chief, was a Hindu called Krishna Rao. Tipu Sultan sent 30 respectful letters with grants to the Shankaracharya of Shringeri (see online ‘History in the Service of Imperialism’ which is a speech given by Prof. B. N. Pandey in the Rajya Sabha in 1977). They were almost all secular rulers.
Now the first part, that the Muslim invaders broke temples, has been mentioned in our history books, but the second part, which is of ten times longer duration, that the descendants of these invaders, who were local rulers used to foster communal harmony, they used to give land grants for building Hindu temples, they celebrated and organized Hindu festivals, etc. has been deliberately suppressed by the British from our history books, the whole game being divide and rule to create communal hatred and make Hindus and Muslims fight each other.
If one goes online and reads the speech ‘History in the Service of Imperialism’ by Professor B. N. Pandey, one will read how the British policy was to make Hindus and Muslims inimical to each other. For instance, Dr. Pandey has mentioned that in 1928 when he was a Professor of History in Allahabad University some students came to him with a book written by one Professor Harprasad Shastri, Professor of Sanskrit of Calcutta University in which it was mentioned that Tipu Sultan told 3000 Brahmins to convert to Islam otherwise they will be killed, and those 3000 Brahmins committed suicide rather than becoming Muslims. On reading this Professor B. N. Pandey wrote to Professor Harprasad Shastri asking him the source of his information? Prof. Shastri wrote back that his source of information was the Mysore Gazetteer. Then Prof. Pandey wrote to Prof. Shrikantia, Professor of History in Mysore University asking him whether it is correct that in Mysore Gazetteer it is mentioned that Tipu Sultan told 3000 Brahmins to convert to Islam. Prof. Shrikantia wrote back that this is totally false, he had worked in this field and there is no such mention in the Mysore Gazetteer, rather the correct version was just the reverse, namely, that Tipu Sultan used to give annual grants to 156 Hindu Temples, he used to send grants to the Shankaracharya of Shringeri, etc. Far from being communal, Tipu was thoroughly secular.
In 1791, Parshuram Bhave (Bhau), the Maratha General marched on Tipu’s richest province, Bednur. Here, Maratha horsemen under the command of Raghunathrao Patwardhan plundered the Shringeri Monastery of all of it’s valuables, killed and wounded many people and desecrated and committed sacrilege at the Holy shrine of Sri Sharada Devi.
Shocked by the Maratha vandalism, the then Jagadguru of Shringeri, Sri Sacchidananda Bharati III was forced to leave the place and live at Karkala, another temple town about 50 miles south of Shringeri. Helpless and despondent in the face of this aggression, the first ever recorded sack of the temple town, The Shankaracharya petitioned Tipu Sultan for help.
Tipu Sultan expressed his indignation and grief at the news of the raid and wrote to the Shankaracharya ::
"People who have sinned against such a holy place are sure to suffer the consequences of their misdeeds at no distant date in this Kali age in accordance with the Sanskrit verse: "Hasadbhih kriyate karma rudadbhir-anubhuyate" (People do [evil] deeds smilingly but suffer the consequences crying)."
Tipu Sultan immediately ordered his army to repulse of the Maratha invaders, and sent to the Jagadguru Shankaracharya a letter dated July 6, 1791.
The Honourable Shankaracharya Shringeri Shri Sacchidananda Swamigal, bestowed with Shrimat Param Hansa.
We received your letter and have understood the gravity of the matter. We have noted that the cavalry of the Maratha king attacked Sringeri and beat the Brahmins and the other people, removed the idol of the Goddess Sharda Ammanavaru (Mother) and also looted the valuables belonging to the Shringeri Math. We have also noted that four disciples belonging to the Shringeri Math had to take shelter at Karkala and that the idol of Shringeri Sharda Ammanavaru was consecrated in ancient times, and if this idol has to be consecrated again, the support of the government is needed. The reconsecration of the deity will be performed along with mass feeding by requisite amount provided by the Government.
Those who have committed such atrocities will suffer the consequences as stated in the Sanskrit shloka ‘People do evil smiling but will suffer the penalty in torments of agony – Hasadhvi Kriyathe Karma Raudhrir Anubhuyathe’.
On hearing of the attack, the Sarkar has sent an elephant with it’s Mahavat, Ahammed. The Asaf of the city has been ordered to get a palanquin made for the Math and pay 200 rahathis in cash and 200 rahathis for paddy for the consecration of the idol of Sri Sharada Ammanavauru, and carry out appropriate measures for the consecration of the idol of the Ammanavaru idol. He shall send me a report immediately. .
We are sending a heavy sari (worked in gold) and a blouse piece for the Goddess Sharada Ammanavaru, and a pair of shawls for you. Please write on receiving them. An order is sent to the Asaf of the town to deal with the problems of the Math. Contact him.
Date 26, month Samarisala Babarabadhi, Year San 1219, Mahammad, Virodhikrita Samvat Ashadha Bahula 12. Writer Narasaiah Signed Nabi Malik
This particular incident that transpired during the 3rd Anglo Mysore war is well documented and known to historians and laymen alike. A bunch of about 30 letters written in Kannada, which were exchanged between Tipu Sultan's court and the Sringeri Shankaracharya were discovered in 1916 by the Director of Archaeology in Mysore
Tipu’s close relationship with Shringeri did not begin with the sack of Shringeri by the Marathas but had begun much earlier in 1785 A.D. when Tipu issued a ‘Nirupa’ – Decree regranting the Shringeri Matha with a new ‘patte’ or ‘document’ which confirmed that Shringeri would continue as time honoured ‘Sarvamanya’ and free from all trouble. ‘Sarvamanya’ meant that the territory under it’s jurisdiction was tax free and it would enjoy all rights with regard to taxation and law within it’s territory.
Just prior to the actual sacking of the town and Math , Tipu had been exchanging letters (April, June 1791) with the Jagadguru assuring him that the Mysorean army was in battle with the enemy who had ‘transgressed the boundaries of his kingdom and assaulted the people’. Tipu firmly believed that the blessings of the Shankaracharya would result in bringing happiness and prosperity in his kingdom. In one of such letters Tipu writes that it is because of saints like the Shankaracharya in his kingdom that there is prosperity, there are good rains and harvests, etc.
There is a huge ancient Vishnu Hindu temple, built around 1000 A.D. known as the Ranganath Swamy Temple near Tipu's palace at Seringapatam, and I have personally visited it. If Tipu was communal, would he not have demolished it ? Instead he gave many costly gifts to it.
Tipu Sultan's treasurer was Krishna Rao, Shamaiya Iyengar was his Minister of Post and Police, his brother Ranga Iyengar was also an officer, and Purnaiya held the very important post of "Mir Asaf". Moolchand and Sujan Rai were his chief agents at the Mughal court, and his chief "Peshkar", Suba Rao, was also a Hindu.
The Editor of Mysore Gazetteer Prof. Srikantaiah has listed 156 temples to which Tipu regularly paid annual grants. There is such evidence as grant deeds, and correspondence between his court and temples, and his having donated jewellery and deeded land grants to several temples.. Between 1782 and 1799 Tipu Sultan issued 34 "Sanads" (deeds) of endowment to temples in his domain, while also presenting many of them with gifts of silver and gold plate. The Srikanteswara Temple in Nanjangud still possesses a jewelled cup presented by the Sultan. He also gave a greenish linga; to Ranganatha temple at Srirangapatnam and donated seven silver cups and a silver camphor burner. This temple was hardly a stone's throw from his palace from where he would listen with equal respect to the ringing of temple bells and the muezzin's call from the mosque; To the Lakshmikanta Temple at Kalale he gifted four cups, a plate and spitoon in silver.
B.A. Saletare has described Tipu Sultan as a defender of the Hindu dharma, who also patronised other temples including one at Melkote, for which he issued a Kannada decree that the Shrivaishnava invocatory verses there should be recited in the traditional form. The temple at Melkote still has gold and silver vessels with inscriptions indicating that they were presented by the Sultan. Tipu Sultan also presented four silver cups to the Lakshmikanta Temple at Kalale
Now one can imagine what mischief has been done. Deliberately our history books have been falsified so that the mind of a child at an impressionable age is poisoned so that a Hindu child should start hating Muslims in India, and a Muslim child in Pakistan should start hating Hindus. The poison put in the mind of an impressionable age is very difficult to remove at a later age. All our history books have been falsified in this manner.
Why was Tipu, a staunch secular king, later demonised and branded as communal? Obviously because he fought against the British to the last. It is British historians and their faithful Indian followers who have done this mischief.
It is time we re-write our history books correctly and show that in fact upto 1857 there was no communal problem at all in India. A composite culture in India had developed by then. Hindus used to participate in Eid and Muharram, and Muslims used to participate in Holi, Diwali etc.
Communalism was injected into our body politic by the British policy of divide and rule, after suppressing the Great Mutiny of 1857 in which Hindus and Muslims jointly fought against the British. Details of how this was done have been given in my article ' The Truth about Pakistan ' (which can be seen online), and that policy is being continued by certain vested interests even after 1947.
Celebrations
VHP activists are protesting against the Tipu Jayanti celebrations in Madikeri, Karnataka. One is said to have been killed
What is the truth about Tipu Sultan ? Was he secular or communal ? Before we consider this question we must know some facts.
The initial Muslim invaders who came into India no doubt broke a lot of Hindu temples, like for instance, Mahmood Ghazni who broke the Somnath temple.
However, their descendants ( e.g.Akbar, who was not an invader, though his grandfather Babur was ) who became local Muslim rulers in India, far from breaking temples used to give grants to temples and celebrated Hindu festivals like Holi and Diwali.
The descendants of those invaders who became local Muslim rulers ruled over populations of which about 80-90% were Hindus. They knew that if they broke temples there would be revolts and turmoils which no ruler wants. So in their own interest almost every one of the local Muslim rulers fostered communal harmony, they gave grants to Hindu temples, they celebrated Hindu festivals, e.g. the Mughal Emperors ( there is a controversy about Aurangzeb, about whom I have written a blog which may be seen on justicekatju.blogspot.in ), the Nawabs of Avadh, Murshidabad, Arcot, etc. For instance, the Nawab of Avadh used to organize Ramleela, and celebrate Holi and Diwali. Tipu Sultan used to give annual grants to 156 Hindu Temples, his Prime Minister was a Hindu called Punaiya his commander-in-chief, was a Hindu called Krishna Rao. Tipu Sultan sent 30 respectful letters with grants to the Shankaracharya of Shringeri (see online ‘History in the Service of Imperialism’ which is a speech given by Prof. B. N. Pandey in the Rajya Sabha in 1977). They were almost all secular rulers.
Now the first part, that the Muslim invaders broke temples, has been mentioned in our history books, but the second part, which is of ten times longer duration, that the descendants of these invaders, who were local rulers used to foster communal harmony, they used to give land grants for building Hindu temples, they celebrated and organized Hindu festivals, etc. has been deliberately suppressed by the British from our history books, the whole game being divide and rule to create communal hatred and make Hindus and Muslims fight each other.
If one goes online and reads the speech ‘History in the Service of Imperialism’ by Professor B. N. Pandey, one will read how the British policy was to make Hindus and Muslims inimical to each other. For instance, Dr. Pandey has mentioned that in 1928 when he was a Professor of History in Allahabad University some students came to him with a book written by one Professor Harprasad Shastri, Professor of Sanskrit of Calcutta University in which it was mentioned that Tipu Sultan told 3000 Brahmins to convert to Islam otherwise they will be killed, and those 3000 Brahmins committed suicide rather than becoming Muslims. On reading this Professor B. N. Pandey wrote to Professor Harprasad Shastri asking him the source of his information? Prof. Shastri wrote back that his source of information was the Mysore Gazetteer. Then Prof. Pandey wrote to Prof. Shrikantia, Professor of History in Mysore University asking him whether it is correct that in Mysore Gazetteer it is mentioned that Tipu Sultan told 3000 Brahmins to convert to Islam. Prof. Shrikantia wrote back that this is totally false, he had worked in this field and there is no such mention in the Mysore Gazetteer, rather the correct version was just the reverse, namely, that Tipu Sultan used to give annual grants to 156 Hindu Temples, he used to send grants to the Shankaracharya of Shringeri, etc. Far from being communal, Tipu was thoroughly secular.
In 1791, Parshuram Bhave (Bhau), the Maratha General marched on Tipu’s richest province, Bednur. Here, Maratha horsemen under the command of Raghunathrao Patwardhan plundered the Shringeri Monastery of all of it’s valuables, killed and wounded many people and desecrated and committed sacrilege at the Holy shrine of Sri Sharada Devi.
Shocked by the Maratha vandalism, the then Jagadguru of Shringeri, Sri Sacchidananda Bharati III was forced to leave the place and live at Karkala, another temple town about 50 miles south of Shringeri. Helpless and despondent in the face of this aggression, the first ever recorded sack of the temple town, The Shankaracharya petitioned Tipu Sultan for help.
Tipu Sultan expressed his indignation and grief at the news of the raid and wrote to the Shankaracharya ::
"People who have sinned against such a holy place are sure to suffer the consequences of their misdeeds at no distant date in this Kali age in accordance with the Sanskrit verse: "Hasadbhih kriyate karma rudadbhir-anubhuyate" (People do [evil] deeds smilingly but suffer the consequences crying)."
Tipu Sultan immediately ordered his army to repulse of the Maratha invaders, and sent to the Jagadguru Shankaracharya a letter dated July 6, 1791.
The Honourable Shankaracharya Shringeri Shri Sacchidananda Swamigal, bestowed with Shrimat Param Hansa.
We received your letter and have understood the gravity of the matter. We have noted that the cavalry of the Maratha king attacked Sringeri and beat the Brahmins and the other people, removed the idol of the Goddess Sharda Ammanavaru (Mother) and also looted the valuables belonging to the Shringeri Math. We have also noted that four disciples belonging to the Shringeri Math had to take shelter at Karkala and that the idol of Shringeri Sharda Ammanavaru was consecrated in ancient times, and if this idol has to be consecrated again, the support of the government is needed. The reconsecration of the deity will be performed along with mass feeding by requisite amount provided by the Government.
Those who have committed such atrocities will suffer the consequences as stated in the Sanskrit shloka ‘People do evil smiling but will suffer the penalty in torments of agony – Hasadhvi Kriyathe Karma Raudhrir Anubhuyathe’.
On hearing of the attack, the Sarkar has sent an elephant with it’s Mahavat, Ahammed. The Asaf of the city has been ordered to get a palanquin made for the Math and pay 200 rahathis in cash and 200 rahathis for paddy for the consecration of the idol of Sri Sharada Ammanavauru, and carry out appropriate measures for the consecration of the idol of the Ammanavaru idol. He shall send me a report immediately. .
We are sending a heavy sari (worked in gold) and a blouse piece for the Goddess Sharada Ammanavaru, and a pair of shawls for you. Please write on receiving them. An order is sent to the Asaf of the town to deal with the problems of the Math. Contact him.
Date 26, month Samarisala Babarabadhi, Year San 1219, Mahammad, Virodhikrita Samvat Ashadha Bahula 12. Writer Narasaiah Signed Nabi Malik
This particular incident that transpired during the 3rd Anglo Mysore war is well documented and known to historians and laymen alike. A bunch of about 30 letters written in Kannada, which were exchanged between Tipu Sultan's court and the Sringeri Shankaracharya were discovered in 1916 by the Director of Archaeology in Mysore
Tipu’s close relationship with Shringeri did not begin with the sack of Shringeri by the Marathas but had begun much earlier in 1785 A.D. when Tipu issued a ‘Nirupa’ – Decree regranting the Shringeri Matha with a new ‘patte’ or ‘document’ which confirmed that Shringeri would continue as time honoured ‘Sarvamanya’ and free from all trouble. ‘Sarvamanya’ meant that the territory under it’s jurisdiction was tax free and it would enjoy all rights with regard to taxation and law within it’s territory.
Just prior to the actual sacking of the town and Math , Tipu had been exchanging letters (April, June 1791) with the Jagadguru assuring him that the Mysorean army was in battle with the enemy who had ‘transgressed the boundaries of his kingdom and assaulted the people’. Tipu firmly believed that the blessings of the Shankaracharya would result in bringing happiness and prosperity in his kingdom. In one of such letters Tipu writes that it is because of saints like the Shankaracharya in his kingdom that there is prosperity, there are good rains and harvests, etc.
There is a huge ancient Vishnu Hindu temple, built around 1000 A.D. known as the Ranganath Swamy Temple near Tipu's palace at Seringapatam, and I have personally visited it. If Tipu was communal, would he not have demolished it ? Instead he gave many costly gifts to it.
Tipu Sultan's treasurer was Krishna Rao, Shamaiya Iyengar was his Minister of Post and Police, his brother Ranga Iyengar was also an officer, and Purnaiya held the very important post of "Mir Asaf". Moolchand and Sujan Rai were his chief agents at the Mughal court, and his chief "Peshkar", Suba Rao, was also a Hindu.
The Editor of Mysore Gazetteer Prof. Srikantaiah has listed 156 temples to which Tipu regularly paid annual grants. There is such evidence as grant deeds, and correspondence between his court and temples, and his having donated jewellery and deeded land grants to several temples.. Between 1782 and 1799 Tipu Sultan issued 34 "Sanads" (deeds) of endowment to temples in his domain, while also presenting many of them with gifts of silver and gold plate. The Srikanteswara Temple in Nanjangud still possesses a jewelled cup presented by the Sultan. He also gave a greenish linga; to Ranganatha temple at Srirangapatnam and donated seven silver cups and a silver camphor burner. This temple was hardly a stone's throw from his palace from where he would listen with equal respect to the ringing of temple bells and the muezzin's call from the mosque; To the Lakshmikanta Temple at Kalale he gifted four cups, a plate and spitoon in silver.
B.A. Saletare has described Tipu Sultan as a defender of the Hindu dharma, who also patronised other temples including one at Melkote, for which he issued a Kannada decree that the Shrivaishnava invocatory verses there should be recited in the traditional form. The temple at Melkote still has gold and silver vessels with inscriptions indicating that they were presented by the Sultan. Tipu Sultan also presented four silver cups to the Lakshmikanta Temple at Kalale
Now one can imagine what mischief has been done. Deliberately our history books have been falsified so that the mind of a child at an impressionable age is poisoned so that a Hindu child should start hating Muslims in India, and a Muslim child in Pakistan should start hating Hindus. The poison put in the mind of an impressionable age is very difficult to remove at a later age. All our history books have been falsified in this manner.
Why was Tipu, a staunch secular king, later demonised and branded as communal? Obviously because he fought against the British to the last. It is British historians and their faithful Indian followers who have done this mischief.
It is time we re-write our history books correctly and show that in fact upto 1857 there was no communal problem at all in India. A composite culture in India had developed by then. Hindus used to participate in Eid and Muharram, and Muslims used to participate in Holi, Diwali etc.
Communalism was injected into our body politic by the British policy of divide and rule, after suppressing the Great Mutiny of 1857 in which Hindus and Muslims jointly fought against the British. Details of how this was done have been given in my article ' The Truth about Pakistan ' (which can be seen online), and that policy is being continued by certain vested interests even after 1947.
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I haven't seen the Sangh Parivar discrediting Mughal Emperor Akbar, The Nizams of Hyderabad, the Nawabs of Oudh, the Zamorins of Kozhikode or the Nawabs of Bhopal. Why do you think they have been spared?
Possibly , it has something to do with the fact that the aforementioned did not indulge in the wanton massacre of Hindus, while the likes of Tipu Sultan and Aurangazeb did?
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Never heard of most of those honourables, the only one who was a famous Mughal ruler of India was Akbar, and history is difficult to rewrite for the Sultan who built the Taj Mahal. Anyone else is fair game.
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Plenty of articles flying around today.
www.firstpost.com/politics/why-the-...overnments-efforts-to-honour-him-2502144.html
www.firstpost.com/politics/why-the-...overnments-efforts-to-honour-him-2502144.html
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Then maybe you should get a lesson in the history of the sub-continent prior to partition, before you point fingers at the Sangh Parivar?
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If read dr Abdul kalam built nuclear weapons in India by reading tipu's blueprint for his military rockets
Is this true
Is this true
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abdul kalam never built any nuclear weapon. he is not a scientist, and the title of dr is honorary. he is a glorified manager.
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Tipu Sultan was a warrior, a symbol and a human being during his era. His killers labelled him "Lion" for a reason.
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anything claimed by kalam cannot be taken seriously.
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Any one who wants to celebrate Tipu's birth anniversary is free to go to Pakistan to do so. We will not let such a bigot being glorified in our nation. End off.
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Tipu Sultan and his father Haider Ali developed probably the world's first military rockets called as the "Mysorean rockets" which were used in the Mysorean wars fought vs the British forces. After the defeat of Tipu Sultan's army, William Congreve confiscated a few rockets and attempted to reverse engineer them. Finally they developed the "Congreve rockets" based on the Mysorean rockets which were used in the Napolean wars vs the Fremch forces.
The first Mysorean rockets are still kept at an artilley warfare museum in England, while there is a portrait of Tipu Sultan's army fighting the British forces with their rockets at NASA's Wallops Flight Facility in Maryland honuring Tipu Sultan for pioneering in rocketry.
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I think Catholic Churches also oppose it if i'm not wrong.
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Who is the source behind all this, apart from the eminent historian dr apj kalam?
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Roddam Narasimha (1985). "Rockets in Mysore and Britain, 1750-1850 A.D."
http://www.nal.res.in/pages/rocketsdet.htm
Frederick C. Durant III, Stephen Oliver Fought, John F. Guilmartin, Jr. "Rocket and missile system"
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1357360/rocket-and-missile-system/
Eugene Van Sickle. "The Congreve Rockets in the War of 1812"
http://www.bandyheritagecenter.org/...k/The Congreve Rockets in the War of 1812.pdf
I'm sorry, I earlier mentioned that the Mysorean rockets were preserved in England, but it were the Congreve rockets. I misunderstood that, the Mysorean rocket is actually being preserved at Tipu Sultan's summer palace in Bengaluru.
And I read about that portrait in the Wings of fire book by Kalam.
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Your first link says that the chinese were the first to use it, but in your post you mentioned Tipu and his father developed the first ones.
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I read that the Chinese were the first to invent rockets, but they apparently were used for ceremonial purposes only. Later the Mongols developed few rockets, but they soon went out of fashion. Then, after a long time, Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan pioneered in "military rockets".
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Good post by him ,most Indians are of a false view that Mughals cannot be Indians but the massive Muslim population proves otherwise.Also if we consider Aryans as Indians don't really understand why the later Muslim rulers aren't.But yes obviously Babar or Durranis can never be considered Indian as they didn't care about the local population.
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It's that time of year again.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.ndtv...ti-1623521?amp=1&akamai-rum=off?client=safari
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.ndtv...ti-1623521?amp=1&akamai-rum=off?client=safari
Here is the problem bro.
Every invader that entered India and ruled it was absorbed into Hindu culture.
Islamic rulers never really accepted Hindu culture. Had Mughals were absorbed into Kshatriya caste and accepted Hinduism, they would have been glorified by all Sangh Parivar people.
When Islam entered India, it did not get absorbed into Sanatana Dharma. It in fact gobbled up large chunks of Hindus into it. A few centuries later, it even managed to take away the land too from the old Dharmic Lands. Sangh Pariwar people and their supporters still cannot digest that fact even after all these years.
The same with British too. Had they accepted Hinduism and became part of it, today we would have been glorifying East India company too.
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Hinduism is not Sanatana Dharma, but a later emanation. Look at what Arya Samaj leaders (against Islam and Christianity) said of Hinduism with regards to "Vedism". Also, why do you mean by "assimilation" ? They married local women and saw themselves as "sons of the land", contrarily to the British : the British exported Indian capital to the likes of Liverpool, while Mughals built the Taj Mahal in Agra and not ancestral Uzbekistan. That says a lot. I'm not saying that they were "assimilated" (still asking you what do you mean by this, exactly... seeing Angel Gabriel as Brahma like Dara Shikoh ?), but they felt more "Indian" than the British, and if you ever need a single proof, perhaps that under Aurangzeb India represented 20% of the world GDP while under the British it didn't grow of a single % in nearly 200 years.
Mughals (like a rural Muslim today) at least were more Hindus than many so called liberal seculars today.
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India will not celebrate anything to do with any Muslim king or historical figure, likewise Pakistan with any Hindu or Sikh historical figure. That's just the way it is.
That's what happens with the two nation theory.
That's what happens with the two nation theory.
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Not taking sides in this argument but Nizam of Hyderabad and Nawab of Oudh were very famous and known by almost anybody who try to learn history of Indian Subcontinent. One more thing Taj Mahal was not built by Akbar but Shahjahan
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Who told u earlier invaders were absorbed into kshatriya caste? And please give me verified links and not just what you heard from someone.
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From what I know read my own group (Rajputs) some say they have been "assimilated" into the varna system for their "job" against Buddhists. Apparently they were originally White Huns from Central Asia.
Don't know how true it is.
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Most North Indian came to know of Tipu Sultan through 1990 tv series. It courted similar controversy even then. Matter reached Supreme court over it.
The Supreme Court gave a judgment that the drama could be telecast but that a notice has to be displayed along with each episode stating:
"No claim is made for the accuracy or authenticity of any episode being depicted in the serial. This serial is a fiction and has nothing to do either with the life or rule of Tipu Sultan. The serial is a dramatised presentation of Bhagwan Gidwani's novel."
The Supreme Court gave a judgment that the drama could be telecast but that a notice has to be displayed along with each episode stating:
"No claim is made for the accuracy or authenticity of any episode being depicted in the serial. This serial is a fiction and has nothing to do either with the life or rule of Tipu Sultan. The serial is a dramatised presentation of Bhagwan Gidwani's novel."
Doesnt mean, He is a hero in India!!
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He was a Muslim and Indian hero. Him and Aurangzeb get bad press in India because they were tough rulers who were not prepared to appease all of their subjects. Of course, neither one of them was an oppressor, as the history books and scholars will tell you, but they were not as liberal as Akbar. Massive respect for both the Sultans/Emperors.
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Pakistan has not had any Hindi or Sikh heros. Indians need to realize that Islam is very much a part of their history and culture, whether people like it or not.
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Pakistan has had hindu/sikh rulers too. You just don't read it in your history books.
Agree though that islam is very much a part of Indian history and culture and should be celebrated.
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Ranjit Singh ruled Punjab part of Pakistan,says a lot about what is being taught there.
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What?Aurangzeb beheaded the 9th Guru of Sikhs and violence by Tipu Sultan is well noted in Mangalore.
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The bedchamber sword of Tipu Sultan, the 18th century ruler of Mysuru, has sold for 14 million pounds ($17.4 million or ₹ 140 crore) at an auction in London. Auction house Bonhams, which organised the sale, said the price on Tuesday was seven times the estimate. Bonhams further said that the sword was the most important of the weapons with proven personal association with the ruler. Tipu Sultan won fame in wars of the late 18th century. He fought against the Marathas on several occasions between 1775 and 1779.
"This spectacular sword is the greatest of all the weapons linked to Tipu Sultan still in private hands. Its close personal association with the Sultan, its impeccable provenance traceable to the very day it was captured, and the outstanding craftsmanship that went into its manufacture make it unique and highly desirable," said Oliver White, Bonhams Head of Islamic and Indian Art and auctioneer.
The sword was found in the private quarters of Tipu Sultan's palace.
"The sword has an extraordinary history, an astonishing provenance and unrivalled craftsmanship. It was no surprise it was so hotly contested between two phone bidders and a bidder in the room. We are delighted with the result," Nima Sagharchi, group head of Islamic and Indian Art at Bonhams, said in a statement.
Tipu Sultan was given the nickname "Tiger of Mysore" for the ferocity with which he defended his kingdom.
He pioneered the use of rocket artillery in wars and transformed Mysore into the most dynamic economy in India, Bonhams said on its website.
After Tipu Sultan was killed, his sword was presented to British Major General David Baird as a token of his courage, according to the auction house.
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"This spectacular sword is the greatest of all the weapons linked to Tipu Sultan still in private hands. Its close personal association with the Sultan, its impeccable provenance traceable to the very day it was captured, and the outstanding craftsmanship that went into its manufacture make it unique and highly desirable," said Oliver White, Bonhams Head of Islamic and Indian Art and auctioneer.
The sword was found in the private quarters of Tipu Sultan's palace.
"The sword has an extraordinary history, an astonishing provenance and unrivalled craftsmanship. It was no surprise it was so hotly contested between two phone bidders and a bidder in the room. We are delighted with the result," Nima Sagharchi, group head of Islamic and Indian Art at Bonhams, said in a statement.
Tipu Sultan was given the nickname "Tiger of Mysore" for the ferocity with which he defended his kingdom.
He pioneered the use of rocket artillery in wars and transformed Mysore into the most dynamic economy in India, Bonhams said on its website.
After Tipu Sultan was killed, his sword was presented to British Major General David Baird as a token of his courage, according to the auction house.
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