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Is Pogba really worth £100m?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • No

    Votes: 16 72.7%

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Manchester United have reportedly agreed to pay £104m to Juventus for Paul Pogba. Is he really worth that much?
 
No way. He still has a lot to prove and is massively overrated but he is still a great signing for us.
 
Yes if played in the right position - as an attacking midfielder or #10.

No if your trying to make him a central, box to box or defensive midfielder.
 
Nope but still a vey good player
But united have done some great signings Mikhi and pogba if they get him will so a wonderful job...


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Obviously not worth such a huge price tag but not as bad as some people are making him out to be. He's a complete midfielder with great all round abilities and is a great signing for United.
 
A good player and maybe in 2/3 seasons time he will be the best player in world in that position but right now hes not worth 100M. united having their pants taken down literally on this transfer.
 
Meh, when you turn down 30M for Deeney, Sissoko bids of £35M and Ighalo for £38M, Stones at £50M+ then 100M for Pogba doesn't seem so bad.

Fees are inflated, people need to move with the times or stay stuck being Liverpool and Arsenal fans who pull out their calculators but at the same time beg their sides to make big money transfers.
 
London_Lahori said:
Meh, when you turn down 30M for Deeney, Sissoko bids of £35M and Ighalo for £38M, Stones at £50M+ then 100M for Pogba doesn't seem so bad.

Fees are inflated, people need to move with the times or stay stuck being Liverpool and Arsenal fans who pull out their calculators but at the same time beg their sides to make big money transfers.
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Hahaha that was funny but so true!!

Settling for 2nd or 3rd best in terms of transfers certainly hurts
 
What people dont realise is how fees are increasing every year. In about 5 years time the £200m mark will be broken. There is nothing much wrong with it either as sales and revenues for the clubs, especially in the EPL have shooted up and continue too.

Therefore i think its a good deal, as we are paying for a player whos young and has many years ahead of him and then has potential to be one of the best.
 
A good player who has lot to improve on. Not worth a 100 million of course but United won't care. I think Verratti is a better player than Pogba
 
Not really worth that huge fee but looking at many sub par players with €30-50 fees it doesn't seem that bad. Although that huge price tag will put a lot of pressure on Pogba to perform in the PL and he still has a lot to prove.
 
The day is not far where Verratti and Pogba will be number one and number 2 cms in the world with both exchanging 1 and 2 slot.
 
No, he's massively overrated.

Just a highlight reel player, who scores a wonderful goal every now and then and pulls a 5 star skill.

He can't do the basics right and is found out when you watch him day in day out, just like he was found out at the Euro's.

There's a reason why SAF was not convinced with his abilities.

He's not a good enough CAM, CM, DM and is hit and miss as a B2B as well.
 
United are pretty desperate to get hold of him though.
 
Very overrated and I'm not really happy that we are wasting 100m on an unproven player. Most United fans like Lahori aren't very educated about football so they are obviously very excited about this signing but I'm not especially for that price tag.
 
The_KING said:
Very overrated and I'm not really happy that we are wasting 100m on an unproven player. Most United fans like Lahori aren't very educated about football so they are obviously very excited about this signing but I'm not especially for that price tag.
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Is it your dads money being spent that your so upset about it?
 
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He is just 23

If a 29 year old is going for 75mn then 100mn fot a player who hasn't reached his ceiling is understandable in today's market.
 
Prices will only increase in future unless they put a cap on transfer value.. If you want the best you need to shell money simply put.. Pogba has got his entire peak in front of him he can give solid 7-8 years to United... Ofcourse there is a possibility he might flop and turn into a Veron.. But lets hope for the best..
 
Mamoon said:
No, he's massively overrated.

Just a highlight reel player, who scores a wonderful goal every now and then and pulls a 5 star skill.

He can't do the basics right and is found out when you watch him day in day out, just like he was found out at the Euro's.

There's a reason why SAF was not convinced with his abilities.

He's not a good enough CAM, CM, DM and is hit and miss as a B2B as well.
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Love it, just love the reaction of Arsenal and Liverpool fans when there a big money transfers being made.

:))) :))) :)))
 
Yes and worth every quids. United are going to get their first treble.
 
#Pogback

ManUtd.com have issued a statement. Pogba will be coming to Manchester for medicals tomorrow.
 
Xhaka is better than him...


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All but official now.
 
It's OK, the market is crazy now.

Is he worth? Not only Pogba, no player, not even Messi, CR is worth that money. But, it's an inflated market these days. 38 years back Trevor Francis was bought for 1mn, then the top clubs annual gross revenue was less than 10mn, most PL (1st Division) Clubs would struggle to spend that amount for entire seasonal transfer - now days there are many Clubs that has a gross annual earnings of more than 250mn - it's just inflation. Maradona would have been sold for a quarter billion at least, if there was a buyer.

Did MU made a mistake in that purchase? No, absolutely not. In football (or any sports), there is an exponential price for exceptional talents. At the end of the day, it's a matter of if the player improves the starting XI significantly or not. It doesn't work that instead of 1 Pogba, you buy 10 Henderson & financially that's a better business. Suarez kept Brenda in his job for 2 years - I am sure now Liverpool would like to spend double of his selling price, if he was 26 now & willing to come. The best ever transfer business to me was Juventus in 2000 - they spent 35mn for a 23 years old GK, which that time was criticised by everyone (Naughty people said that Agneli family were washing their black money) - in return, Juve got one of the all time best ever for almost 2 decades between their posts.

It's a tremendous buy, at 23, Pogba is destined to win the Ballon De Oorr. SAF made the biggest mistake of his life by allowing this kid to leave. It was a mistake because he was the player of U20 WC, after the year he left. A 6'3" power dynamo with the ball skill of a Latin player & ambidextrous shooting skill like a forward is unique. He is like Patrick Vierra, Yaya Yaya & Cantona in one package. It's sad for me as Liverpool fan, that we could have got this kid for 29mn in 2014, as a replacement of SteveG, but Brenda didn't have the balls, neither the name to attract such a mercurial talent.
 
MMHS said:
It's OK, the market is crazy now.

Is he worth? Not only Pogba, no player, not even Messi, CR is worth that money. But, it's an inflated market these days. 38 years back Trevor Francis was bought for 1mn, then the top clubs annual gross revenue was less than 10mn, most PL (1st Division) Clubs would struggle to spend that amount for entire seasonal transfer - now days there are many Clubs that has a gross annual earnings of more than 250mn - it's just inflation. Maradona would have been sold for a quarter billion at least, if there was a buyer.

Did MU made a mistake in that purchase? No, absolutely not. In football (or any sports), there is an exponential price for exceptional talents. At the end of the day, it's a matter of if the player improves the starting XI significantly or not. It doesn't work that instead of 1 Pogba, you buy 10 Henderson & financially that's a better business. Suarez kept Brenda in his job for 2 years - I am sure now Liverpool would like to spend double of his selling price, if he was 26 now & willing to come. The best ever transfer business to me was Juventus in 2000 - they spent 35mn for a 23 years old GK, which that time was criticised by everyone (Naughty people said that Agneli family were washing their black money) - in return, Juve got one of the all time best ever for almost 2 decades between their posts.

It's a tremendous buy, at 23, Pogba is destined to win the Ballon De Oorr. SAF made the biggest mistake of his life by allowing this kid to leave. It was a mistake because he was the player of U20 WC, after the year he left. A 6'3" power dynamo with the ball skill of a Latin player & ambidextrous shooting skill like a forward is unique. He is like Patrick Vierra, Yaya Yaya & Cantona in one package. It's sad for me as Liverpool fan, that we could have got this kid for 29mn in 2014, as a replacement of SteveG, but Brenda didn't have the balls, neither the name to attract such a mercurial talent.
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Stop over hyping him..he can do some sort of magic but it is far and few in between..Infact he cant do the basics correctly as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] pointed out ..there was a reason SAF sold him..anyone who watched euros can see that he is pretty average massively overrated and overpriced ..he has no chance of winning the BallonD'OR..in the euros Sissoko looked million times better than him..anyother player other leo and cr7 can win BallonD'OR is Griezmann


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Deewana said:
Stop over hyping him..he can do some sort of magic but it is far and few in between..Infact he cant do the basics correctly as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] pointed out ..there was a reason SAF sold him..anyone who watched euros can see that he is pretty average massively overrated and overpriced ..he has no chance of winning the BallonD'OR..in the euros Sissoko looked million times better than him..anyother player other leo and cr7 can win BallonD'OR is Griezmann


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Mamoon is hurt with CR winning EURO & Messi choking in Copa.

Joking apart, that was a massive, massive mistake by SAF - 100mn is obnoxious money - I take half out. Sir Alex, sold a 18 years old kid without giving proper chance for 800K & his club bought him back for 50mn, 5 years later - that a massive, massive mistake. Had that not been Sir Alex, by now every media would have shredded him to pieces.

Football world is dominated by sponsors & business houses - otherwise for 2014-15 season, what he did for Juve in Seria A & CL, was good enough for a realistic shot for Ballon De Oorr. He has already won the Golden Ball in U20 WC.
 
^^

Also, he is just 23 - already is one of the best player in his position. He is not a forward - box to box mid-fielder. Players like him matures with a bit of age as speed is not their best asset. For a forward, 23 to 29 is probably best age, for Pogba that's between 25 to 32. At his age, Zizu had just debuted for France (was playing for Bourdoux) - Pirolo, Yaya, Scholes, Keene, Lothar Mathius or even Platini hardly made names at 23 - this kid is dominating his position. Deschamps played him at more defensive position & paid with the Euro, JoMou would play him as the advanced CM of a double pivot 4231 or at centre of diamond 442 with Rooney & Ibra in front & Mata (or his replacement Makhterian) & Martial at wide wings - just see how he runs riot in English football, which is much more open than Seria A.
 
London_Lahori said:
Leave Deewana alone, he has a lot of pressure and stress during transfer season following every rumour, hoping and praying Arsenal actually buy someone.
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They won't buy anyone and then all of us would enjoy watching Arsenal fans cry on ArsenalFanTv.
 
Mamoon and Deewana are wrong (not surprised when it comes to United matters), Sir Alex Ferguson didn't sell him, he wanted him to stay but his contract ran down and he left on a Bosman.
 
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Pogba is a fantastic player and the best box to box midfielder going around. He has creativity, but as midfielder does not control the game the way Kroos or Gundogan do. So for me 100 million is a bit much. I would say 75 would have been a fair price for him but markets are crazy and he was a prized asset for Juventus. For the prices this season I do believe tho Gundogan and Xhaka are more value for money.
 
He will improve of course. He has the power, technique, the passing range, ability to score from outside of the box.

Not worth £100 million though.
 
Performed decently in his first season back in the Prem,but didn't justify the price tag.How can he,really?
 
No player is that money.

The guy nowhere even close to the great footballers
 
Hasan123 said:
He will improve of course. He has the power, technique, the passing range, ability to score from outside of the box.

Not worth £100 million though.
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We would pay that amount for Beneteke and it would get us back in the EPL, maybe even challenge for another FA Cup; that's how big a difference he made, wish he comes back :( Pogba on the other hand I would pay 40 million. Man Chester wasted their money but maybe he'll have an amazing season in his second stint so we'll see
 
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We would pay that amount for Beneteke and it would get us back in the EPL, maybe even challenge for another FA Cup; that's how big a difference he made, wish he comes back :( Pogba on the other hand I would pay 40 million. Man Chester wasted their money but maybe he'll have an amazing season in his second stint so we'll see
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Its understandable why strikers prices are inflated but cm shouldn't cost £89 million.

Yes he will improve, he's a talanted footballer even though he's slightly ovverated by some.
 
Hasan123 said:
Its understandable why strikers prices are inflated but cm shouldn't cost £89 million.

Yes he will improve, he's a talanted footballer even though he's slightly ovverated by some.
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Liverpool bought Andy Carrol for £30million many years ago now. In this regard Pogba at £89million is a bargain. :inti
 
KingKhanWC said:
Liverpool bought Andy Carrol for £30million many years ago now. In this regard Pogba at £89million is a bargain. :inti
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It was £35 million.

Yes they overpaid for him but I think the fact he was English had more to do with it then the fact he was a striker.
 
No way. Man Utd have been fooled in paying at least £50 million to much for Pogba.
 
Hasan123 said:
Its understandable why strikers prices are inflated but cm shouldn't cost £89 million.

Yes he will improve, he's a talanted footballer even though he's slightly ovverated by some.
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Its like paying 89 million for Mohammad Hafeez basically , shame on Manchester United
 
I'm a United fan but no he's not worth that much.

Solid player though.
 
WC-Passion said:
More like paying 89m for Rabada imo insulting to compare him to Hafeez.
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I meant Hafeez when he was a spring chicken and we all thought he was destined for greatness given the blessings god bestowed upon him
 
He is not even worth 100m Vietnamese dong

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When teams are paying 45M for a 16 year old who's had one senior game, 89M for Pogba is nothing.

The fee won't be seen in the same light after this summers transfer window and upcoming windows. City are willing to pay 45M for a goal keeper. The rates of players have changed and I hope clubs like Arsenal/Liverpool have the same attitude as their accountant fanbases so they'll be left in the dirt looking for 10-20M players.
 
London_Lahori said:
When teams are paying 45M for a 16 year old who's had one senior game, 89M for Pogba is nothing.

The fee won't be seen in the same light after this summers transfer window and upcoming windows. City are willing to pay 45M for a goal keeper. The rates of players have changed and I hope clubs like Arsenal/Liverpool have the same attitude as their accountant fanbases so they'll be left in the dirt looking for 10-20M players.
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Pogba had been very good in the midfield and has created so many chances that haven't been finished. He's been played in a deeper role so 8 goals is pretty decent. An average rating of 7.70 tells you everything.
 
BeingFaridKhan said:
Manchester United have reportedly agreed to pay £104m to Juventus for Paul Pogba. Is he really worth that much?
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He's obviously worth that much to Man Utd. They obviously feel that he will help them win trophies, which will generate more cash.

Furthermore, Man Utd. obviously feel that he will also help them generate cash in other ways, such as sales of shirts, scarves, mugs and other merchandise, along with increased sponsorship (sponsors get access to players and may also have clauses that require some of the top stars to attend their corporate functions).

So ultimately, if the money generated due to having Pogba being a Man Utd player is greater than the purchase costs plus salary and bonuses paid to Pogba then, to Man Utd., he's worth whatever they paid for him.

Noticed the the words "generate cash"?

Unlike some other clubs who have sugar daddies whose primary reasons for owning the club is something other than generating cash (eg Man City, Chelsea, PSG ...), Man Utd are owned by the Glazer's, and for them Man Utd is simply a business, just like any other business, which will give them a return on their investment.
 
Yossarian said:
He's obviously worth that much to Man Utd. They obviously feel that he will help them win trophies, which will generate more cash.

Furthermore, Man Utd. obviously feel that he will also help them generate cash in other ways, such as sales of shirts, scarves, mugs and other merchandise, along with increased sponsorship (sponsors get access to players and may also have clauses that require some of the top stars to attend their corporate functions).

So ultimately, if the money generated due to having Pogba being a Man Utd player is greater than the purchase costs plus salary and bonuses paid to Pogba then, to Man Utd., he's worth whatever they paid for him.

Noticed the the words "generate cash"?

Unlike some other clubs who have sugar daddies whose primary reasons for owning the club is something other than generating cash (eg Man City, Chelsea, PSG ...), Man Utd are owned by the Glazer's, and for them Man Utd is simply a business, just like any other business, which will give them a return on their investment.
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Well explained. I read somewhere that bale's transfer fee was recovered in the first just from shirt sales and other merchandise.
 
Yossarian said:
He's obviously worth that much to Man Utd. They obviously feel that he will help them win trophies, which will generate more cash.

Furthermore, Man Utd. obviously feel that he will also help them generate cash in other ways, such as sales of shirts, scarves, mugs and other merchandise, along with increased sponsorship (sponsors get access to players and may also have clauses that require some of the top stars to attend their corporate functions).

So ultimately, if the money generated due to having Pogba being a Man Utd player is greater than the purchase costs plus salary and bonuses paid to Pogba then, to Man Utd., he's worth whatever they paid for him.

Noticed the the words "generate cash"?

Unlike some other clubs who have sugar daddies whose primary reasons for owning the club is something other than generating cash (eg Man City, Chelsea, PSG ...), Man Utd are owned by the Glazer's, and for them Man Utd is simply a business, just like any other business, which will give them a return on their investment.
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Definitely worth it from a business perspective. Most United players are due to the brand.

But certainly not worth it from a team building perspective since 100% of generated cash isn't pushed back into the team's spending budget.
 
kingusama92 said:
Definitely worth it from a business perspective. Most United players are due to the brand.

But certainly not worth it from a team building perspective since 100% of generated cash isn't pushed back into the team's spending budget.
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Why should it be? You've just agreed it's worth it from a business perspective. The Glazers didn't buy Man Utd because they're 'football fans'. They bought it to give them a return on investment (make money) in the form of dividends (and increased value of the business). To them it's a business like any other.
 
Hugely inflated

Zidane was transferred for 46m while figo for 60m as a case study is pogba better than these two certainly not would take Zizou n Figo over him anyday
 
Kianig89 said:
Hugely inflated

Zidane was transferred for 46m while figo for 60m as a case study is pogba better than these two certainly not would take Zizou n Figo over him anyday
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The cost of money is different now.. During zidane/Figo time there were only 2 powerhouses Real Madrid and Manchester United (money wise) and to some extend you could say Bayern Munich.. Manchester United had a very shrewd manager who did not like overspending so they never did apart from few odd cases like Juan Sebastian veron..

Then came roman abramovich and after that today there are a lot of clubs with billionaire owners who can pay huge inflated salaries and transfer sums.. Players have multiple options and the top tier players of current generation are mostly all in Barca or real.. Now they would not leave Barca or real coz they win trophies there and Barca and real can pay them well.. For second best players you have to spend big money now because competition money wise is much more than what it was earlier..

Ofcourse pogba is no where near zizou or Figo as of now but the times are different fans need to understand that.. If zizou was playing today real would have paid 150mill for him easily..
 
Milan clubs say hi theyvhad their own galaxy of stars

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PakLFC said:
No way. Man Utd have been fooled in paying at least £50 million to much for Pogba.
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He has already recovered 50mn .... from shirt sale & partially for the EUROPA goal.

The transfer fee is just a function of inflation, his 89mn, if much, much lower than some other deals. These days, top clubs are earning over half a billion gross revenue/year with 35 assets (players & Coaching staffs) & may be another 100 staffs - which was probably dream for Tesco 35 years back. In other word, 35 tools generating almost half a billion/year - now try to justify their acquisition value. Also, he was just 23 - players at his position enjoys their best years between 25 to 31; 4 years later, if MU wish to sell him, I am sure they'll earn a good amount of profit
 
From top of my memory, I can mention at least 6 other deals that were worse than this one (not in order) -

- Sir Stones - 48mn
- Playboy Starling - 50mn
- Donmel (hybrid of Donkey & Camel) Carroll - 35mn
- Prodigy Shaw - 32mn
- Born again Cruyff Downing - 20mn
- English Zizu Henderson - 20mn
- Wonder kid Jack Rodwell - 18mn (now, he'll play in Championship at 23)

Pep somehow dodged the 45mn bullet of English Inesta (Read Ross Barkley)

We have been robed for the football ignorant Yank fools - without much knowledge of football, they poured crazy money for English Talunts & almost pushed the club to administration.


Yesterday, Aubayamang was sold to Monaco for 62mn British Pound (actually 67mn - he had 5mn signing bonus, which probably was a negotiation between BVB & Monaco, otherwise BVB would have to pay him for completing his contract & BP 170K/week) - and PEA will turn 28 next June - 4 years later, his resale value won't be more than 15mn. In that regard, Pogba's deal is is quite decent.

Personally, I believe the best ever transfer deal was the craziest one - 17 years back, almost every British Tabloid went on mocking a BP 32mn deal (that time BP was much stronger - equivalence was around US$ 56mn) for a 23 years old Goal Keeper. Even Juve didn't imagine what they bought for that money - a GK, who has been among worlds best 3, each of those 17 years & counting.
 
MMHS said:
From top of my memory, I can mention at least 6 other deals that were worse than this one (not in order) -

- Sir Stones - 48mn
- Playboy Starling - 50mn
- Donmel (hybrid of Donkey & Camel) Carroll - 35mn
- Prodigy Shaw - 32mn
- Born again Cruyff Downing - 20mn
- English Zizu Henderson - 20mn
- Wonder kid Jack Rodwell - 18mn (now, he'll play in Championship at 23)

Pep somehow dodged the 45mn bullet of English Inesta (Read Ross Barkley)

We have been robed for the football ignorant Yank fools - without much knowledge of football, they poured crazy money for English Talunts & almost pushed the club to administration.


Yesterday, Aubayamang was sold to Monaco for 62mn British Pound (actually 67mn - he had 5mn signing bonus, which probably was a negotiation between BVB & Monaco, otherwise BVB would have to pay him for completing his contract & BP 170K/week) - and PEA will turn 28 next June - 4 years later, his resale value won't be more than 15mn. In that regard, Pogba's deal is is quite decent.

Personally, I believe the best ever transfer deal was the craziest one - 17 years back, almost every British Tabloid went on mocking a BP 32mn deal (that time BP was much stronger - equivalence was around US$ 56mn) for a 23 years old Goal Keeper. Even Juve didn't imagine what they bought for that money - a GK, who has been among worlds best 3, each of those 17 years & counting.
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PEA is joining PSG not Monaco. It's not a bad deal if they win the CL. They won't care about his re sale value then.
 
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