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What I can’t understand is why phehlukwayo is not making a bit deal about this. Sure, taking it to the UN is pushing it and maybe even making light of the situation but he was abused racially and his mother was insulted
If he makes a press release that will be the nail under the coffin for hafeez sarfraz
 
South Africa's last two home series have seen huge controversies break out.

Last March, Australia was caught on film cheating by sandpapering the ball.

Now Pakistan's captain has been caught on film using racial language to a black South African player.

In both cases the players apologised within 24 hours, but the players' apologies showed a lack of understanding of the gravity of the offence.

But that is where these two stories diverge.

Cricket Australia sent the three offending players - the captain Smith, the vice-captain Warner and Bancroft - home, stripped the captain and vice-captain of their roles and suspended them for a year, even though their ICC punishments were much lower. Within 12 hours of the offence, Cricket Australia had stood down the players and announced a formal disciplinary enquiry.

The Pakistan Cricket Board has instead made a bad situation a whole lot worse.

They have issued an extraordinary Press Release in which, as [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] has observed:

1. The PCB has stated that its captain Sarfraz Ahmed was indeed Guilty of Racist Behaviour.

2. The PCB has admitted that it failed in its responsibility to educate their players adequately.

3. The PCB has failed to take any disciplinary action against its captain even though they have confirmed his guilt.

What was the point of the Press Release?

Do the PCB think that they have helped their cause or Sarfraz Ahmed's by admitting he was Guilty, but by then trivilialising his offence by not punishing him for it?

I had hoped that Ehsan Mani would lead a new culture of professionalism at the PCB. But this response is somewhere between comical and pathetic.

Did you have the same view when PCB refused to take any action against 3 fixers? PCB was even trying to play them in the next test.
 
Did you have the same view when PCB refused to take any action against 3 fixers? PCB was even trying to play them in the next test.

Junaids has categorically and explicitly said that what Sarfraz did is far worse than what the 3 fixers did. And at various points, he has advocated for the resurrection of Salman Butt's career even restoring him as the captain.

According to him, spot-fixing was as trivial as stealing pens from your workplace.
 
South Africa's last two home series have seen huge controversies break out.

Last March, Australia was caught on film cheating by sandpapering the ball.

Now Pakistan's captain has been caught on film using racial language to a black South African player.

In both cases the players apologised within 24 hours, but the players' apologies showed a lack of understanding of the gravity of the offence.

But that is where these two stories diverge.

Cricket Australia sent the three offending players - the captain Smith, the vice-captain Warner and Bancroft - home, stripped the captain and vice-captain of their roles and suspended them for a year, even though their ICC punishments were much lower. Within 12 hours of the offence, Cricket Australia had stood down the players and announced a formal disciplinary enquiry.

The Pakistan Cricket Board has instead made a bad situation a whole lot worse.

They have issued an extraordinary Press Release in which, as [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] has observed:

1. The PCB has stated that its captain Sarfraz Ahmed was indeed Guilty of Racist Behaviour.

2. The PCB has admitted that it failed in its responsibility to educate their players adequately.

3. The PCB has failed to take any disciplinary action against its captain even though they have confirmed his guilt.

What was the point of the Press Release?

Do the PCB think that they have helped their cause or Sarfraz Ahmed's by admitting he was Guilty, but by then trivilialising his offence by not punishing him for it?

I had hoped that Ehsan Mani would lead a new culture of professionalism at the PCB. But this response is somewhere between comical and pathetic.

Let's not issue undeserving medals to CA. Every cricket fan knows that Cricket Australia did a massive cover-up to save their bowlers and other players with their actions. In fact their bans on the 3 players were unnecessarily excessive simply so that fat cat suits could save themselves and pontificate about doing the right thing.
 
I never call kaala goora to anyone in my daily life and thats why on multiple occasions on these threads have said Sarfraz was pathetic for me personally. Even i dont call westerners as Gooras but those who do dont make them as racist. Great WI team is called "Kaali Aandhi" by majority and almost everyone from the 80s in pakistan and that doesnt make them as racists. Next time dont post rubbish.

I've spent my whole life being racially abused. Just because people would use this type of language in the 80s doesn't make it acceptable. It wasn't acceptable to label people by the colour of their skin then and it's not acceptable now. The PCB and Sarfraz himself realize what he's done was irresponsible and extremely stupid but don't know how to react to it now. They should've put out a statement accepting blame, an apology, a short ban for the player and an agreement to set up educational programs for their players.
 
Junaids has categorically and explicitly said that what Sarfraz did is far worse than what the 3 fixers did. And at various points, he has advocated for the resurrection of Salman Butt's career even restoring him as the captain.

According to him, spot-fixing was as trivial as stealing pens from your workplace.

Oh, then I am ducking out of this thread.

As bad these comments were by Sarf, PCB insisting to play fixers was 10 times worse in my opinion.
 
PCB did well not to fall into the trap of mob justice instead of Cricket Australia. Cricket Australia had to whatever was necessary against those two disgraceful cheats
 
All please stick to the topic. If you need to discuss something else, please create a new thread.
 
South Africa's last two home series have seen huge controversies break out.

Last March, Australia was caught on film cheating by sandpapering the ball.

Now Pakistan's captain has been caught on film using racial language to a black South African player.

In both cases the players apologised within 24 hours, but the players' apologies showed a lack of understanding of the gravity of the offence.

But that is where these two stories diverge.

Cricket Australia sent the three offending players - the captain Smith, the vice-captain Warner and Bancroft - home, stripped the captain and vice-captain of their roles and suspended them for a year, even though their ICC punishments were much lower. Within 12 hours of the offence, Cricket Australia had stood down the players and announced a formal disciplinary enquiry.

The Pakistan Cricket Board has instead made a bad situation a whole lot worse.

They have issued an extraordinary Press Release in which, as [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] has observed:

1. The PCB has stated that its captain Sarfraz Ahmed was indeed Guilty of Racist Behaviour.

2. The PCB has admitted that it failed in its responsibility to educate their players adequately.

3. The PCB has failed to take any disciplinary action against its captain even though they have confirmed his guilt.

What was the point of the Press Release?

Do the PCB think that they have helped their cause or Sarfraz Ahmed's by admitting he was Guilty, but by then trivilialising his offence by not punishing him for it?

I had hoped that Ehsan Mani would lead a new culture of professionalism at the PCB. But this response is somewhere between comical and pathetic.

I am not gonna get into which sin is bigger, but the reality is that this is spotfixing scenario all over again. PCB slow to react and unable to grasp the gravity leaving it to ICC to come down hard on the players.
 
looking at the current form of Sarfaraz Ahmed & his team's performance under his captaincy, the worst punishment that the ICC can give to Pakistan is let Sarfaraz play 😜
 
It is all so familiar. Another controversy, another Pakistani player doing something idiotic, and yet again the PCB have handled the situation poorly.

Oval-Gate, 2010 scandal, chucking and now this. How PCB manages to act irresponsibility time and time again is remarkable. Then we wonder why Pakistan cricket has been marginalised and why the PCB has such a lowly reputation.

What is the difference between Ijaz Butt and Ehsan Mani? Nothing
This guy is not fit for the job and all he wants a fat salary doing nothing.
 
Crazy how some of you are defending Sarfraz. No, it's not comparable to saying the n word, which some posters on here are making it seem like, but it is still very disrespectful, one simply does not talk like that. Add on top, Sarfraz' apology makes it seem like it was an okay thing to say, and that "unfortunately", the sump mic caught it. Pathetic. He should at least be banned for the rest of the series.
 
Is the matter resolve or still ICC has to handle it? PCB still unprofessional and bias like before and let Sarfraz get away with this.
 
Ive seen a lot of excuses in my life starting with the "dog ate the homework" to "fell in the shower and got a fracture" and ridiculous as they sound, we take them in our stride, be professional and fix the patient.

However, the excuses galore by some is something unique and unheard of.

1. He was muttering to himself.
2. Its not his fault because no one can pronounce that name.
3. Who are you "Champion of morality".
4. Its fondness in our culture and we call people shorty, snotty, jelly.

I think its safe to say when you have a representation of population shouting ludicrous excuse after excuse to justify something, which, on prinicple shouldnt have happened in the first place, and most of it sadly, our younger generation, then you become to wonder about the social fabric of the society.

Why am I teaching my daughter of 1 year old to meet every black man and wave to him and say goodbye when half of our culturally inept society has the apt "part of our culture defense".

Deep down racism exists in everyone's heart. You would always marry a white female rather than a black one no matter how pious you claim to be.

But when you start calling her B la ck ie and refuse to marry her because of the skin and people defend you by saying "her nose wasnt dead center" or she was "prone to affairs anyways"..

I think I will tender as Ive made my case.
 
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Where is Imran Khan Naya Pakistan actions when it is needed most?!?!

He is sensible enough to know Sarfaraz cannot be the leader of Pakistan anymore

He is sensible enough to not strip him of the captaincy becaause of non-issue like this..
 
how much are we willing to bet that not one person from the PCB admin had spoken to CSA before sending this out.

They were busy compiling Sarfraz's statement for him.
Also Sarfraz was seen liking a comment about him made on twitter by his wife 'racist they said? Praising the love of a mother they never said"

Major cringe moment, apparently none of them have any idea what has been said or done here :))
 
Lol I have friends named Kaalu(Black) and Bhoral(Brown). But Sarfi needs to be banned for sure, WC is not child play.
 
If I give my perfectly honest views on this, it would probably be misinterpreted.

In the Pakistani community generally you nick name friends on how they look like. For example if someone has fair skin they would call them ‘goray’. A fat would be called ‘motu’.
Black would be called ‘Kalay’ or ‘Kalia’. Tall will be called ‘Lambay’. Small will be called ‘Chotay’. It is just a cultural thing.
I swear i have seen using these supposedly offensive words being used by people as a way of showing their likeness for someone.

Anyways i am not supporting Sarfaraz on this.

Except Sarfraz and Andile are not close mates. When the same terms in Pakistan are said to someone you're not particularly familiar or frank with then they are for the most part considered offensive.
 
In this statement the PCB has:

Made Sarfaraz look foolish with his tweets
Made him guilty even before the ICC had investigated the matter
Declared that Sarfaraz's comments were racist even before the ICC had looked into the incident
Admitted that their player education programmes are not doing enough

Hung out to dry, comes to mind.
 
Ive seen a lot of excuses in my life starting with the "dog ate the homework" to "fell in the shower and got a fracture" and ridiculous as they sound, we take them in our stride, be professional and fix the patient.

However, the excuses galore in Pakpassion is something unique and unheard of.

1. He was muttering to himself.
2. Its not his fault because no one can pronounce that name.
3. Who are you "Champion of morality".
4. Its fondness in our culture and we call people shorty, snotty, jelly.

I think its safe to say when you have a representation of population shouting ludicrous excuse after excuse to justify something, which, on prinicple shouldnt have happened in the first place, and most of it sadly, our younger generation, then you become to wonder about the social fabric of the society.

Why am I teaching my daughter of 1 year old to meet every black man and wave to him and say goodbye when half of our culturally inept society has the apt "part of our culture defense".

Deep down racism exists in everyone's heart. You would always marry a white female rather than a black one no matter how pious you claim to be.

But when you start calling her B la ck ie and refuse to marry her because of the skin and people defend you by saying "her nose wasnt dead center" or she was "prone to affairs anyways"..

I think I will tender as Ive made my case.

But I’m struggling to notice what you’re case is really about, rather I think it’s unclear.

You state the excuses you have heard in Sarfraz’s defense on PP and they are poor. What Sarfraz did was inexcusable and not the behavior of a national captain, I think no one except maybe a handful disagree with that opinion.

In fact, the overwhelming opinion on PP is that the PCB did not act with enough haste and announce corporal punishment.

But then you talk about “the social fabric of society”. I’m not quite sure what you mean here but I guess you’re implying that Pakistani culture has a habit of promoting racism and casteism.

Racism is a mental attitude of one individual towards another that always has more factors than simply skin color. Who are Pakistanis most racist towards? Other Pakistanis, Indians, and Bangladeshis. Who are the Chinese most racist towards? Other Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.

There is racism because of differentiations in class ranking, social status, and most importantly, political factors. It has always existed since time and immemorial; before humans were able to read and write, there existed slavery and racism. Simply put, racism has always been a larger practice of group differentiations from our ancestor’s hunter-gatherer days. The notion that racism has to do with skin color is relatively new in modern history; particularly since the Americas were discovered because there never existed ways before to transport large number of slaves to other continents.

Discrimination is an overt tort upon another individual due to racial, cultural, and or religious overtones. This is the main issue that should be dealt with. Outright practices of harming other individuals and hampering their daily lives. In conclusion, racism is a mental practice while discrimination is a physical practice.

Next, you share a very heartwarming notion about teaching your daughter that regardless of skin color, everyone is to be treated with respect and this is admirable. But it should not be the disparity rather the norm and yet it is the other way around because as long as human being have existed, there will continue to be perceptions of differences.

Furthermore, your next quote is strange. It’s not clear who you addressing when you state “you would rather marry a white female rather than a black one”. I think given the option to marry, human beings look at a multitude of options and factors when choosing a partner. We do not select our partners on how they smell or how well they camouflage like other species. The notion of white is more beautiful has existed in almost every society you can name but there is nothing wrong with that. Because beauty is subjective and there are simply some individuals who prefer white to black and others black to white. If an individual wishes to marry a person of a certain color, who are we to interfere? Certainly the person commuting the act of marriage deserves far more say in it than us.
 
There you go. Nothing has changed apart from PCB Chairman.

Naya Pakistan Naya PCB is just a gimmick.
 
But I’m struggling to notice what you’re case is really about, rather I think it’s unclear.

You state the excuses you have heard in Sarfraz’s defense on PP and they are poor. What Sarfraz did was inexcusable and not the behavior of a national captain, I think no one except maybe a handful disagree with that opinion.

In fact, the overwhelming opinion on PP is that the PCB did not act with enough haste and announce corporal punishment.

But then you talk about “the social fabric of society”. I’m not quite sure what you mean here but I guess you’re implying that Pakistani culture has a habit of promoting racism and casteism.

Racism is a mental attitude of one individual towards another that always has more factors than simply skin color. Who are Pakistanis most racist towards? Other Pakistanis, Indians, and Bangladeshis. Who are the Chinese most racist towards? Other Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc.

There is racism because of differentiations in class ranking, social status, and most importantly, political factors. It has always existed since time and immemorial; before humans were able to read and write, there existed slavery and racism. Simply put, racism has always been a larger practice of group differentiations from our ancestor’s hunter-gatherer days. The notion that racism has to do with skin color is relatively new in modern history; particularly since the Americas were discovered because there never existed ways before to transport large number of slaves to other continents.

Discrimination is an overt tort upon another individual due to racial, cultural, and or religious overtones. This is the main issue that should be dealt with. Outright practices of harming other individuals and hampering their daily lives. In conclusion, racism is a mental practice while discrimination is a physical practice.

Next, you share a very heartwarming notion about teaching your daughter that regardless of skin color, everyone is to be treated with respect and this is admirable. But it should not be the disparity rather the norm and yet it is the other way around because as long as human being have existed, there will continue to be perceptions of differences.

Furthermore, your next quote is strange. It’s not clear who you addressing when you state “you would rather marry a white female rather than a black one”. I think given the option to marry, human beings look at a multitude of options and factors when choosing a partner. We do not select our partners on how they smell or how well they camouflage like other species. The notion of white is more beautiful has existed in almost every society you can name but there is nothing wrong with that. Because beauty is subjective and there are simply some individuals who prefer white to black and others black to white. If an individual wishes to marry a person of a certain color, who are we to interfere? Certainly the person commuting the act of marriage deserves far more say in it than us.

You are unclear on a lot of things.

But I was specifically targeting "skin color" which is one "aspect of racism" that exists in our society and desperate attempts by people to just throw it off as "part of our culture".

The last paragraph example was exactly how you eloquently put it "racism is a mental thing". As long as its kept mental "you can marry a white woman because you like white as beauty and black as ugly", and there are no issues with it.

But when you marry a white woman, and find faults with the black woman and her physical appearance as reason for rejection and openly "state it as such" then it no longer should be considered a "personal choice or decision".

Anyways, my paragraphs were targeted to those select few who want to 'absolve' Sarfraz of all blame with ridiculous excuses, and since you already agree that the excuses are just a "façade" then we have nothing further to argue or discuss.
 
Those saying ball tampering is worse than this are wrong. I have seen some comments that some black South African think this is rascim. Weather you think it is or not , you can't make your decision for others.

So what's worse rascim or ball tampering?
 
Leave aside this case.

It's absurd to pretend that the hysteric over-reactions in the cases of Smith, Warner and Pandya are the standard by which players ought to be treated.

The way cricketers are being treated is incredibly unfair, and there's going to be a Packer type situation very very soon.
 
There are some clear established rules and you should abide by them. Ball tampering (Cheating), Racism has no place in the modern Cricket.

The way PCB brushed it off as if it's not such a big deal is kind of disturbing. I don't think Pakistan Cricket is going to improve with such low standards in place.
 
Leave aside this case.

It's absurd to pretend that the hysteric over-reactions in the cases of Smith, Warner and Pandya are the standard by which players ought to be treated.

The way cricketers are being treated is incredibly unfair, and there's going to be a Packer type situation very very soon.

These players are also multi million celebrities being role models for billions including young kids

See you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You want fame and money and fan following but you don't want to be a role model or follow rules? Millions dream of having the life these guys have and thousand wait in line for a chance
 
These players are also multi million celebrities being role models for billions including young kids

See you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You want fame and money and fan following but you don't want to be a role model or follow rules? Millions dream of having the life these guys have and thousand wait in line for a chance

In no other sport do we see these kinds of over-reactions. It's not actually fans that have such massive objections to these players. The reason for this thing is over-visibility of a hyper-active minority on social media that scare boards into these sanctions.

In other sports you do not see draconian sanctions of such absurd proportions as the Smith and Pandya cases.
 
These players are also multi million celebrities being role models for billions including young kids

See you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You want fame and money and fan following but you don't want to be a role model or follow rules? Millions dream of having the life these guys have and thousand wait in line for a chance

Also Hardik Pandya (and forget him what abt Rahul who didn't even say those things) did not break rules, except some extremely vague and general ones about bad image etc. He did not endorse anything illegal or say he abused anyone etc. He just came across as a disgraceful, boorish pervert. Not nice, but not illegal either.

And in any case, the over-reaction has been insane.

In Mumbai a fourteen year old kid was banned for three years because of abusing someone in a fight.

This sort of over-reaction vs players and how underpaid cricketers are relative to other sports will result in another Packer type situation soon.
 
In no other sport do we see these kinds of over-reactions. It's not actually fans that have such massive objections to these players. The reason for this thing is over-visibility of a hyper-active minority on social media that scare boards into these sanctions.

In other sports you do not see draconian sanctions of such absurd proportions as the Smith and Pandya cases.

You are just assuming the harsh bans are because of social media. ACB was always very proactive and banned players harshly for doping eben when cricket had no anti doping rules. BCCI has given life bans to players like Sreesanth even when they were not convicted in courts

The visibility is just because of active social media but has nothing to do with the harsh methods used by the board. BCCI would have handled Pandya case the same way in late 90s early 2000s. In fact they might have been even stricter
 
Also Hardik Pandya (and forget him what abt Rahul who didn't even say those things) did not break rules, except some extremely vague and general ones about bad image etc. He did not endorse anything illegal or say he abused anyone etc. He just came across as a disgraceful, boorish pervert. Not nice, but not illegal either.

And in any case, the over-reaction has been insane.

In Mumbai a fourteen year old kid was banned for three years because of abusing someone in a fight.

This sort of over-reaction vs players and how underpaid cricketers are relative to other sports will result in another Packer type situation soon.

The 14 year old was not banned for abusing. He was banned for pulling his pant down and exposing himself and touching another 14 year old aggressively. Then in the case hearing he was equally rude to the judges. With 100s waiting for chances why would anyone entertain such behaviour?
 
For a direct example, compare Tom Brady and their ball deflating case in the NFL. It is literally a direct, exact analogy for sandpaper tampering and Brady was banned for 4 games after multiple court cases where his team supported him and his entire fan-base did too.

That is what proper sports administration looks like. It's not that there is no social media mob there. The difference is in America atheletes rights are protected and it's not like people can come up with gigantic and arbitrary bans decided based on how loud people are in social media or the personal views of one or two board members.
 
The 14 year old was not banned for abusing. He was banned for pulling his pant down and exposing and touching another 14 year old aggressively. Then in the case hearing he was equally rude to the judges. With 100s waiting for chances why would anyone entertain such behaviour?

He denied that accusation, and what's more the transcript said he was banned for abusing. It did not record a finding on the flashing allegation. And in any case, he is 14 years old. Do you think banning a 9th standard kid for 3 years is appropriate? He is not expected to behave rationally and maturely at this age. Forget flashing someone. If he literally murdered someone, he would still be out in less time due to juvenile sentencing guidelines.
 
What is the difference between Ijaz Butt and Ehsan Mani? Nothing
This guy is not fit for the job and all he wants a fat salary doing nothing.

Butt was a motor mouth but at least he had the guts to keep his players in check. He slapped MoYo and Younis with life-bans for showing poor attitude and always reminded Afridi that he is not bigger than PCB.

The way Mani has handled this situation has been extremely poor. A very weak and fake apology. PCB is an irresponsible and incompetent organisation that is rightly humiliated by the BCCI time and time again. They deserve it.

Let's see if they will ban him or not, but they needed to come up with more convincing statements.
 
Butt was a motor mouth but at least he had the guts to keep his players in check. He slapped MoYo and Younis with life-bans for showing poor attitude and always reminded Afridi that he is not bigger than PCB.

The way Mani has handled this situation has been extremely poor. A very weak and fake apology. PCB is an irresponsible and incompetent organisation that is rightly humiliated by the BCCI time and time again. They deserve it.

Let's see if they will ban him or not, but they needed to come up with more convincing statements.

Exactly!!!! Even Sethi was far better than this Mani eventhough he talked to much in front of media. But why Mani likes to keep himself hibernate in order to face adverse situations. Heard lots of good things about this guy but at the end he ends up a very unprofessional and coward personal who likes to distance himself from organization when problem arise in order to avoid the responsibilities.
 
Exactly!!!! Even Sethi was far better than this Mani eventhough he talked to much in front of media. But why Mani likes to keep himself hibernate in order to face adverse situations. Heard lots of good things about this guy but at the end he ends up a very unprofessional and coward personal who likes to distance himself from organization when problem arise in order to avoid the responsibilities.
He is just a robot and scared. Very coward attitude shown by him ao far.
 
Sarfaraz comes across as well meaning guy to me. I don't think he as any hate in his heart for anyone. Referring to dark skin people as "Kalu", fat ones as "motu" and short ones as "chotu" is common, atleast in India. In school hostel, we referred to guys as oye bengali, oye bihari, oye mallu etc. We were young and didn't thought it was wrong. We just did what people around us did. Offcourse,now i realize, this is not funny but rather offensive. I dont think Sarfaraz is racist but I find his comment about mother-"kaha bitha ke aaye hai use" to be extremely abusive. I would have punched him in face if i was Phehlukhwayo.
 
We have Rizwan there in my opinion its a no brainer for Saffy not to play in the next couple of games.
 
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