PCB request CA/NZC to play T20Is in Pakistan: Australia reject proposal, NZ considering request

[MenInG]

KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board has requested the Australian and New Zealand boards to send their teams to Pakistan to play the T20 matches instead of United Arab Emirates.

An official source in the Pakistan board told PTI that during the ICC meet in Kolkata late last month, PCB Chairman, Najam Sethi and COO Subhan Ahmad had held talks with the Australian and New Zealand officials.

"The two boards have been requested to play the T20 matches of their series in Pakistan to help support the PCB in bringing back international cricket to the country," he said.

Pakistan will host Australia for three test matches and a T20 match in UAE in October followed by a series of three tests, five ODIs and three T20 internationals in November against New Zealand.

Last year, also the PCB managed to convince the Sri Lankan board to send its team to Lahore to play the final T20 match of a series in UAE, which went off successfully.

Before the Sri Lankan's visit in late October, the PCB also hosted the ICC World Eleven for a three-match T20 series in Lahore while last month Pakistan played three T20 matches in Karachi against the West Indies.

"The PCB is trying to follow a slow and steady process to bring back international cricket fully to Pakistan," the official said.

He said the Australian and New Zealand boards were reluctant because of security concerns but would look into the Pakistan request.
Giles Clarke, who heads the ICC's special task force on Pakistan cricket submitted a positive report about international cricket returning to the country at the ICC board meeting in Kolkata.

Pakistan's security arrangements for the matches against World Eleven, Sri Lanka, and West Indies and for the Pakistan Super League matches held in Lahore and Karachi earned praise from the board members and from independent reports of security experts.

Pakistan has lined up a total of 29 ODIs before next year's World Cup in England and is keen to few of them being played at home.
PCB officials are also due to meet with the Emirates Cricket Board officials in Dubai this week to discuss Pakistan's concern over having the T10 league in November or the planned Afghan league, when Pakistan will be playing its home series in UAE.

The PCB has threatened to move its home series from UAE to Malaysia if the ECB didn't accept their demands but an insider said there was zero chance of this happening since when PCB officials visited Kuala Lumpur in March they realized that while T20 or ODIs could be held there but having a test match was not possible due to the rains and hot weather and other facilities.

"Most likely the series against Australia and New Zealand will be held in UAE," he said.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-t20-series/articleshow/63989718.cms?from=mdr

 

[aloo paratha]

Would be amazing if it happened, unlikely though

 

[PakSarZameen]

Would be huge if this happened, even if its for a one off game vs the NZ B team.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Unfortunately I doubt they will come here.

 

[hadi123]

Even just one match would be a start.

 

[Abid Z]

It’s a positive move. Even if it doesn’t happen this year at least they will be thinking seriously in the coming years.

 

[PakLFC]

What does Pak have to do to prove it is safe to play Cricket in the country?

 

[Anis10]

New Zealand might but I doubt Australia will

South Africa would be a good team to ask, some of there main players already came here during the world 11 tour

 

[Abdullah719]

NZ Cricket considering request to play upcoming international series in Pakistan

New Zealand Cricket are considering a request from Pakistan to send the Black Caps to the country later this year.

The Black Caps will play Pakistan in three tests, five One Day Internationals and three Twenty20 matches in November.

Pakistan's home matches were played in the United Arab Emirates since 2009, when a terror attack on the Sri Lankan team bus forced the side to head abroad.

But in April, the nation hosted its first international cricket series in nine years when the West Indies visited for three Twenty20 matches. They hope New Zealand may be next.

"New Zealand Cricket has received a request from the Pakistan Cricket Board chairman for New Zealand to play in Pakistan," NZC spokesperson Richard Boock said.

At the moment NZC is doing due diligence on the request and consulting with security providers, the government, and the players.

"We will respond to the PCB when this process has been completed."

New Zealand last toured Pakistan in 2003, a year after a bomb blast outside the Black Caps' team hotel in Karachi ended their 2002 tour.

The Times of India has reported that Australia have also been approached to move their October series to Pakistan.

Pakistan will host Australia for three test matches and a Twenty20 in UAE in October followed by the series against New Zealand.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...lay-upcoming-international-series-in-pakistan

 

[Gubol123]

if NZ and Aus boards are smart they will accept to play in Pakistan. It shouldn't be a problem when they are provided presidential level security

 

[SensiblePakFan]

if NZ and Aus boards are smart they will accept to play in Pakistan. It shouldn't be a problem when they are provided presidential level security

Exactly, Presedential Level security has never been caught out

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Would be the first Australian side to play in Pakistan in almost two decades

 

[kuskash]

What does Pak have to do to prove it is safe to play Cricket in the country?

I think Pak is safe enough

 

[cricketjoshila]

if NZ and Aus boards are smart they will accept to play in Pakistan. It shouldn't be a problem when they are provided presidential level security

NZ might, even if its a B team..Australua difficult.

 

[MenInG]

NZ might, even if its a B team..Australua difficult.

Think NZ being polite and saying considering etc

 

[Slim]

It would be huge if it happens. Even a single t20I for starters would suffice.

 

[Aman]

NZ might, even if its a B team..Australua difficult.

I'll be shocked if they do. They're going through the proper channels, but the answer is still going to be firm no (no b, u19 team). Probably 10-20 years away from a proper tour and that's provided things improve in Pakistan, along with perception.

 

[Aman]

I don't get how we're more likely to tour than Australia when a bomb went off right outside the NZ teams' hotel. I was really young back then, but I still remember the coverage for it.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

CA won't consider Pakistan move

Cricket Australia has indicated it won't consider allowing any matches to be moved to Pakistan from the United Arab Emirates for their tour later this year.

New Zealand Cricket officials confirmed on Wednesday they had been approached by Pakistani authorities to move Twenty20 matches to the country at the end of the year, from the UAE.

Australia are also due to play Pakistan in September and October, with three Tests drafted in for the UAE on yet-to-be-confirmed dates.

According to Pakistani media, a request has been made to CA to move the T20 match to Pakistan, following in the footsteps of Sri Lanka and West Indies in the past year.

International cricket has barely been played in Pakistan since 2009, after an attack on the Sri Lankan team bus.

Zimbabwe were the first team to return to the country in 2015, while Sri Lanka played a T20 last October in Lahore, before the West Indies played a three-match series last month in Karachi.

But a CA spokesman said they were not considering moving any matches.

"The safety and security of Australian players is our number one priority," he told AAP.

"From an Australia team perspective, we are not contemplating moving our current bilateral-tour arrangements from taking on Pakistan in the Middle East, when they host the next series."

Australia haven’t played in Pakistan since 1998, and the two countries have since used the UAE, England and Sri Lanka as neutral venues during tours.

Meanwhile, a New Zealand spokesman confirmed they were investigating whether they were willing to play their T20 series later this year in Pakistan.

The Black Caps haven't visited Pakistan since 2003, a year after being forced to abandon a Test tour due to a bomb exploding outside their Karachi hotel.

"At the moment, NZC is doing due diligence on the request and consulting with security providers, the government and the players," a spokesman said.

"We will respond to the PCB (Pakistan Cricket Board) when this process has been completed."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/aus...our-t20-united-arab-emirates-tests/2018-05-02

 

[Arham_PakFan]

No surprises there...

 

[Pakpak]

I don't get how we're more likely to tour than Australia when a bomb went off right outside the NZ teams' hotel. I was really young back then, but I still remember the coverage for it.

They still sent a team even after that. Albeit a Bit side.

 

[Gilly]

PCB not reading the current situation very well, should have made discreet inquiries before making it public.

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

Later this year more and more corporate sponsorships are set to involve increasing the revenue scale of PCB and it won't be a huge surprise Australians will be coming here despite FICA,TICA or MICA objecting.

Pakistan has to take a stand for their own sake and stop all types of tours to Australia. Let them play India and downgrade their cricket further. We have been sending our B C D teams there for training which in turn helps them. Still remember how they made excuses for not touring Pakistan when Musharraf requested Howard Govt. in 2004/5 but sent their A team under Michael Hussey to tour and gain experience. We provide free training to them by sending out U19 to U 23 teams unofficially without anything in return.

Pakistan can't play in UAE as much as it was possible before. Playing outside Pakistan means only financial losses which PCB should'nt afford anymore if wants to increase avenues of revenue generation.

High time some decision is taken and if Australia does'nt play us we also leave them to the indian trundlers.

 

[Gilly]

Later this year more and more corporate sponsorships are set to involve increasing the revenue scale of PCB and it won't be a huge surprise Australians will be coming here despite FICA,TICA or MICA objecting.

Pakistan has to take a stand for their own sake and stop all types of tours to Australia. Let them play India and downgrade their cricket further. We have been sending our B C D teams there for training which in turn helps them. Still remember how they made excuses for not touring Pakistan when Musharraf requested Howard Govt. in 2004/5 but sent their A team under Michael Hussey to tour and gain experience. We provide free training to them by sending out U19 to U 23 teams unofficially without anything in return.

Pakistan can't play in UAE as much as it was possible before. Playing outside Pakistan means only financial losses which PCB should'nt afford anymore if wants to increase avenues of revenue generation.

High time some decision is taken and if Australia does'nt play us we also leave them to the indian trundlers.

CA will accept any position PCB take, if its in the best interests for Pakistan cricket not to play Australia then thats how it should be.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Think NZ being polite and saying considering etc

Since CA has said no without even comsidering, it may be difficult for the trans tasman cousin to say yes. So you may be right.

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

CA will accept any position PCB take, if its in the best interests for Pakistan cricket not to play Australia then thats how it should be.

CA already has a position, we lack one. They already have been doing enough damage by not coming. A whole generation that grew up watching Gilchrist, Hayden, Siddle, Symonds and Damien Martyn, never saw them play in their grounds.

Time for no free tours from our side.

Better they call off the T20 tour as well.

If Emirates board decides to establish its league PCB will only face problems. All other alternatives like Malaysia are small and far away,not a good bet.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Later this year more and more corporate sponsorships are set to involve increasing the revenue scale of PCB and it won't be a huge surprise Australians will be coming here despite FICA,TICA or MICA objecting.

Pakistan has to take a stand for their own sake and stop all types of tours to Australia. Let them play India and downgrade their cricket further. We have been sending our B C D teams there for training which in turn helps them. Still remember how they made excuses for not touring Pakistan when Musharraf requested Howard Govt. in 2004/5 but sent their A team under Michael Hussey to tour and gain experience. We provide free training to them by sending out U19 to U 23 teams unofficially without anything in return.

Pakistan can't play in UAE as much as it was possible before. Playing outside Pakistan means only financial losses which PCB should'nt afford anymore if wants to increase avenues of revenue generation.

High time some decision is taken and if Australia does'nt play us we also leave them to the indian trundlers.

How many teams will you ban?

Which teams are ready to tour Pakistan with full strength for a full tour?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Later this year more and more corporate sponsorships are set to involve increasing the revenue scale of PCB and it won't be a huge surprise Australians will be coming here despite FICA,TICA or MICA objecting.

Pakistan has to take a stand for their own sake and stop all types of tours to Australia. Let them play India and downgrade their cricket further. We have been sending our B C D teams there for training which in turn helps them. Still remember how they made excuses for not touring Pakistan when Musharraf requested Howard Govt. in 2004/5 but sent their A team under Michael Hussey to tour and gain experience. We provide free training to them by sending out U19 to U 23 teams unofficially without anything in return.

Pakistan can't play in UAE as much as it was possible before. Playing outside Pakistan means only financial losses which PCB should'nt afford anymore if wants to increase avenues of revenue generation.

High time some decision is taken and if Australia does'nt play us we also leave them to the indian trundlers.

The audience wouldn’t be losing out on much if Pakistan doesn’t tour Australia. They have hardly put a fight down under in the last 30 years or so. Ozzies might as well invite Bangladesh instead.

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

The audience wouldn’t be losing out on much if Pakistan doesn’t tour Australia. They have hardly put a fight down under in the last 30 years or so. Ozzies might as well invite Bangladesh instead.

Most welcome.

 

[rhony]

Later this year more and more corporate sponsorships are set to involve increasing the revenue scale of PCB and it won't be a huge surprise Australians will be coming here despite FICA,TICA or MICA objecting.

Pakistan has to take a stand for their own sake and stop all types of tours to Australia. Let them play India and downgrade their cricket further. We have been sending our B C D teams there for training which in turn helps them. Still remember how they made excuses for not touring Pakistan when Musharraf requested Howard Govt. in 2004/5 but sent their A team under Michael Hussey to tour and gain experience. We provide free training to them by sending out U19 to U 23 teams unofficially without anything in return.

Pakistan can't play in UAE as much as it was possible before. Playing outside Pakistan means only financial losses which PCB should'nt afford anymore if wants to increase avenues of revenue generation.

High time some decision is taken and if Australia does'nt play us we also leave them to the indian trundlers.

Your post started with delusion, continued and then ended with more delusion. First of all PCB can't force anybody to do anything. An Australian Umpire was a victim of a terrorist attack when you provided "Presidential level" security. The tv rights already took a big hit because u can't play India. They will be worth next to nothing if you start fighting with Australia and New Zealand. Inviting Lanka and WI every year and smashing them can improve your ranking but won't fetch u much moolah. PCB is not in a position to demand anything.

 

[princeuk]

Its sad that CA siad No without even considering the security they were offered or what Giles clark had written in his report....its a knee jerk reaction for them to say no.

Hopefully NZ might say yes to a game or two, cos that will be huge if they come even if its a B team

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

Your post started with delusion, continued and then ended with more delusion. First of all PCB can't force anybody to do anything. An Australian Umpire was a victim of a terrorist attack when you provided "Presidential level" security. The tv rights already took a big hit because u can't play India. They will be worth next to nothing if you start fighting with Australia and New Zealand. Inviting Lanka and WI every year and smashing them can improve your ranking but won't fetch u much moolah. PCB is not in a position to demand anything.

Pakistan is in much better position security wise, than a country called India where Sri Lanka can't play in Tamil Nadu state and BCCI could'nt play Pakistan in Maharashtra as it can't provide security from a militant hindu political party in the govt.. India is a place where Australian Bus was attacked after it won in Guwahati recently. And ICC withdrew Pakistani umpires from a bilateral tournament due to security reasons. A nation where spectators throw stones and rubbish if the opposing team is winning, like Calicut and Calcutta.
We did'nt play India from 1962 to 1978, and from 2007 to 2018, and we are the #1 T20 side in the world and still producing talent. I'm off the view we should'nt play India in ICC tournaments also.

We don't need to play you or converse with you, we are doing fine.

 

[WengerOut]

Pakistan is in much better position security wise, than a country called India where Sri Lanka can't play in Tamil Nadu state and BCCI could'nt play Pakistan in Maharashtra as it can't provide security from a militant hindu political party in the govt.. India is a place where Australian Bus was attacked after it won in Guwahati recently. And ICC withdrew Pakistani umpires from a bilateral tournament due to security reasons. A nation where spectators throw stones and rubbish if the opposing team is winning, like Calicut and Calcutta.
We did'nt play India from 1962 to 1978, and from 2007 to 2018, and we are the #1 T20 side in the world and still producing talent. I'm off the view we should'nt play India in ICC tournaments also.

We don't need to play you or converse with you, we are doing fine.

Then why are teams touring India and not in Pakistan?

 

[jadaja]

Why has Australia not toured Pakistan since 1998. This security problem was since 2009.

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

Then why are teams touring India and not in Pakistan?

Yeah absolutely why are teams touring India after BCCI shifted whole t20 tournament to South Africa in 2009/10 and when several cricketers/team owners/BCCI boss were caught red-handed fixing and were banned in 2013.

By late this year Indians will be saying the same why FICA is allowing its players, why Australians playing in Pakistan, etc.... everything changes with time apart from Indian hate for PAkistan.

 

[WengerOut]

Yeah absolutely why are teams touring India after BCCI shifted whole t20 tournament to South Africa in 2009/10 and when several cricketers/team owners/BCCI boss were caught red-handed fixing and were banned in 2013.

By late this year Indians will be saying the same why FICA is allowing its players, why Australians playing in Pakistan, etc.... everything changes with time apart from Indian hate for PAkistan.

You still haven't answered my question. You need to calm down first.

 

[BreadPakoda]

By late this year Indians will be saying the same why FICA is allowing its players, why Australians playing in Pakistan, etc.... everything changes with time apart from Indian hate for PAkistan.

Ozzies have already rejected PCB's request.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah absolutely why are teams touring India after BCCI shifted whole t20 tournament to South Africa in 2009/10 and when several cricketers/team owners/BCCI boss were caught red-handed fixing and were banned in 2013.

By late this year Indians will be saying the same why FICA is allowing its players, why Australians playing in Pakistan, etc.... everything changes with time apart from Indian hate for PAkistan.

May be you missed the question, it was

Why are teams touring India and not Pakistan?

 

[carbon11]

I think Pakistan should put emphasis on its own domestic cricket

The psl and a 40 over format tournament
And a Hong Kong sixers type tournament

These tournaments can be contioniusly held throughout the year

Pakistan
Uae
Malaysia

And exhibition matches elsewhere maybe like china /Hong Kong , USA , Canada etc

Players from abroad can be invited to play in these tournaments like we do with the psl


Intl cricket should be limited there's no point only play teams who are willing to come to Pakistan and even then I would play just t20s and 50 over games since there isn't a wide interest left in test cricket and it's not making money for us .

and after that we should only participate in ICC tournaments like the world cups

If we go down this route watch how we set the cat among the pigeons of the big 3

Psl is a success and the important thing is it bought in the audience from Pakistan and Pakistan Dispora

We will make more money from our own domestic tournaments

 

[rhony]

Pakistan is in much better position security wise, than a country called India where Sri Lanka can't play in Tamil Nadu state and BCCI could'nt play Pakistan in Maharashtra as it can't provide security from a militant hindu political party in the govt.. India is a place where Australian Bus was attacked after it won in Guwahati recently. And ICC withdrew Pakistani umpires from a bilateral tournament due to security reasons. A nation where spectators throw stones and rubbish if the opposing team is winning, like Calicut and Calcutta.
We did'nt play India from 1962 to 1978, and from 2007 to 2018, and we are the #1 T20 side in the world and still producing talent. I'm off the view we should'nt play India in ICC tournaments also.

We don't need to play you or converse with you, we are doing fine.

And yet Still Lanka is in India every year. And yet Australians have huge presence in IPL and Australian teams visits India every couple of years. Did anyone ask Pakistan to play India in ICC tournaments? Pakistan needs to if they want the ICC handout. Producing talent was never a point of discussion. India and Pakistan are major cricket playing nations and will keep producing talents as long as there is money coming in for development. Sethi is after BCCI and is in the news every other day because PCB needs money.

 

[Godhelpma]

If Nz agrees to sending team to pak even for one game , it will be huge step in attracting other white nations .But even if they don’t come , Pcb should not get offended because return of cricket to pak is going be to a slow and steady process .
P.s Aussies won’t come anyway and neither we should bother about them .

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

And yet Still Lanka is in India every year. And yet Australians have huge presence in IPL and Australian teams visits India every couple of years. Did anyone ask Pakistan to play India in ICC tournaments? Pakistan needs to if they want the ICC handout. Producing talent was never a point of discussion. India and Pakistan are major cricket playing nations and will keep producing talents as long as there is money coming in for development. Sethi is after BCCI and is in the news every other day because PCB needs money.

Rofl so revenue distribution is handouts. If thats the case then we request gives these handouts to indians we can generate our own. This 100-101 million Revenue distribution is given to everyone, and if we don't receive it. It won't affect us.

Infrastructure development is'nt the be all. One can see MRF pace ACademy operating for so many years in South India and still India struggling to find bowlers.

Sethi nowadays is too busy with Emirates board to give interviews to indian website publications. Indian people are little too obsessed and need news from Pakistan everyday mostly fake.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rofl so revenue distribution is handouts. If thats the case then we request gives these handouts to indians we can generate our own. This 100-101 million Revenue distribution is given to everyone, and if we don't receive it. It won't affect us.

Infrastructure development is'nt the be all. One can see MRF pace ACademy operating for so many years in South India and still India struggling to find bowlers.

Sethi nowadays is too busy with Emirates board to give interviews to indian website publications. Indian people are little too obsessed and need news from Pakistan everyday mostly fake.

PCB is running helter skelter for a 70mn handout from Bcci and it will be unaffected by giving up $128mn of ICC revenue share. Lol.

Dont know what struggle as we are in top 3 of rankings in all formats.

Sethi and PCB come out with statements about Bcci and india on a regular basis. Tells you who is obsessed.

Can you tell which news regarding Sethi and Pcb was fake?

 

[rhony]

Rofl so revenue distribution is handouts. If thats the case then we request gives these handouts to indians we can generate our own. This 100-101 million Revenue distribution is given to everyone, and if we don't receive it. It won't affect us.

Infrastructure development is'nt the be all. One can see MRF pace ACademy operating for so many years in South India and still India struggling to find bowlers.

Sethi nowadays is too busy with Emirates board to give interviews to indian website publications. Indian people are little too obsessed and need news from Pakistan everyday mostly fake.

I wish your post was fake. PCB is running deficit budgets every year and is showing losses every year. This is despite PSL. They are after BCCI for 70 mil. Their tv rights have a 90 mil clause for an India series. If there is no handout, PCB can't survive. There is nothing wrong in PCB trying to get teams to play in Pakistan. However, they are in no position to insist or blackmail as you claim. At best they can send a formal request as they did with Australia and New Zealand. At worst, they can pay the opposition team like they did with WI. Top teams have no compulsion to play in Pakistan

 

[Kazim_Pak86]

I wish your post was fake. PCB is running deficit budgets every year and is showing losses every year. This is despite PSL. They are after BCCI for 70 mil. Their tv rights have a 90 mil clause for an India series. If there is no handout, PCB can't survive. There is nothing wrong in PCB trying to get teams to play in Pakistan. However, they are in no position to insist or blackmail as you claim. At best they can send a formal request as they did with Australia and New Zealand. At worst, they can pay the opposition team like they did with WI. Top teams have no compulsion to play in Pakistan

Your outrage looks fake as if PCB is drawing money from your pocket. BCCI begging for bigger 'handout' and fake threats turned out quite different last year. PCB is an organization, Pakistan is a country where millions of people and tghousands iof clubs operate without any help from anyone. I can assure you we not only survive without PCB, they make quite a lot of money also.

 

[rhony]

Your outrage looks fake as if PCB is drawing money from your pocket. BCCI begging for bigger 'handout' and fake threats turned out quite different last year. PCB is an organization, Pakistan is a country where millions of people and tghousands iof clubs operate without any help from anyone. I can assure you we not only survive without PCB, they make quite a lot of money also.

Come back when you understand deficit and loss

 

[MMHS]

Aussies are a different issue - they are not touring PAK since 1998 and they declined to tour BD as well, only to comeback next year after Holy Artisan attack; so they must have their own sources and standards/policies.

Kiwis might happen - one reason is that, among other boards, NZCB is among the least irritated by PCB, so relationship is much better and Kiwis did return to PAK, though with a depleted team, a year after the Karachi bombing in 2003.

But, personally I think instead of trying in every front, PCB should put it's entire focus to arrange 2019 PSL entirely in PAK; preferably in 4 venues and close it safe & sound, which will establish lot more credibility. These 3 T20s in 3/4 days against whichever players are willing to come, in one city like a commando operation from airport to hotel to ground to airport ... isn't going to help much, I am afraid.

 

[Hasan123]

Australia were never likely to tour. NZ is 50/50. If they agree hopefully there are more games than a couple of T20s.

 

[Adijazz1706]

A NZ series with 3 ODIs would be nice, tired of t20s tbh

 

[prisha]

PCB needs to conduct whole PSL in pak and also strengthen thier domestic teams conducting multiple tournaments like ranji so that people get used to the cricket on their own grounds. This will boost thier local teams and give them opportunity to be involved. When you have 200 million population u can utilize that to your advantage than ask international teams to visit you. In India we have kabaddi matches now and teams from all over andhra and telengana compete with district level teams and they broadcast them locally and lot of people seems to bE interested in them. PCB needs viewership how are they sure if local teams play people won't watch.

 

[jadaja]

How PCB is/was powerless since 1998 in asking Aussies to tour Pakistan.

But they demanded Bangladesh to tour Pakistan.This two faced hypocrisy of PCB is what irritates me.

PCB is talking about morality and MOU.

 

[saeed5646]

How PCB is/was powerless since 1998 in asking Aussies to tour Pakistan.

But they demanded Bangladesh to tour Pakistan.This two faced hypocrisy of PCB is what irritates me.

PCB is talking about morality and MOU.

Lol your complete post is irrelvant to what is written in op .kehna kya chahta ho bhai?wait what mou again ?

 

[carbon11]

PCB needs to conduct whole PSL in pak and also strengthen thier domestic teams conducting multiple tournaments like ranji so that people get used to the cricket on their own grounds. This will boost thier local teams and give them opportunity to be involved. When you have 200 million population u can utilize that to your advantage than ask international teams to visit you. In India we have kabaddi matches now and teams from all over andhra and telengana compete with district level teams and they broadcast them locally and lot of people seems to bE interested in them. PCB needs viewership how are they sure if local teams play people won't watch.

Exactly as you can see with the ipl franchise domestic league cricket is the future and where the money is not the intl game

Cricket will go the football route where the money will be with club cricket obviously not the riches of football but what you will see is the money will be in the league crickets and where the money to be made for the players

Bilateral intl series will probably end up on the backseat , but you will have your official intl world cups

Test cricket will die apart from the ashes the only series that attracts the audience and interest .

 

[jadaja]

Lol your complete post is irrelvant to what is written in op .kehna kya chahta ho bhai?wait what mou again ?

It is relevant because it is about teams touring or playing Pakistan. Pakistan has no problem with Australia or any other white country not touring them till now and were okay playing in UAE.

But it has big problem of hosting Bangladesh in UAE, they told Bangladesh to tour Pakistan or get lost.

So Pakistan can dictate terms to another country ????

 

[jadaja]

Lol your complete post is irrelvant to what is written in op .kehna kya chahta ho bhai?wait what mou again ?

I have problem with Australia who have no problem in touring India but have big problem in touring Pakistan since 1998.

 

[saeed5646]

It is relevant because it is about teams touring or playing Pakistan. Pakistan has no problem with Australia or any other white country not touring them till now and were okay playing in UAE.

But it has big problem of hosting Bangladesh in UAE, they told Bangladesh to tour Pakistan or get lost.

So Pakistan can dictate terms to another country ????

No one is forcing someone to come to play in pakistan it is their choice what they do .pcb is just doing formality .as for hosting bd is concern in uae it will take time as the relation between the two board is not good from past 2 years

 

[jadaja]

No one is forcing someone to come to play in pakistan it is their choice what they do .pcb is just doing formality .as for hosting bd is concern in uae it will take time as the relation between the two board is not good from past 2 years

PCB did try to force Bangladesh in playing the matches in Pakistan and they took money from BCB for matches played in Bangladesh in 2015.

Pakistan are scheduled to tour Bangladesh in July and the PCB is seeking a part of the revenue generated from the series. They believe they are owed compensation for the BCB rejecting invitations to play in Pakistan for the last six years.

Do you see the hypocrisy involved here , PCB cannot do anything to England or Australia so they let them dictate terms but when it comes to Bangladesh they want to dictate terms.

It is the same hypocrisy of Australia and England touring India but Pakistan long before 2009.

PCB does what is best for them it is fine but when any other board including BCB orBCCI do what is best for them then they throw all kinds of tantrums.

 

[Smbhayi]

it's just waste of money.. you can't afford presidential level security on every tour. So Pak must wait things improve.., i means forigners feels safe..

 

[Gubol123]

NZ might, even if its a B team..Australua difficult.

i was thinking more from the evoloving cricket order. it helps every board if they have support of other boards.. CA can stand on its own, but NZ will do well to keep everyone happy. It might be a good idea for them to send a team, even if it is b or c team, to Pak.. that way they will build some relationship with PCB.. as far as i know both PCB and NZ doesn't have any issues. it is one of the few boards Pak has not got on the bad side of in the last couple of decades

 

[USHK]

I think we need to respect the decision of Australia and New Zealand if they say no. Security wise, the situation is still being worked out. In the meantime, keep trying to promote PSL in Pakistan on global scale if possible.

 

[MenInG]

New Zealand's cricket bosses will sit down soon and have a good think about the idea of playing T20 internationals in Pakistan later this year.

They will look at Lahore, the most likely location, and weigh up the pros (minimal) and cons (substantial) about going there for the first time since 2003, the year after a bomb blast outside their hotel cut that tour short.

They will have some sympathy for the cricket people of Pakistan, will wish them well, will accept that some T20 cricket has been played there in the last three years and then tell their Pakistan counterparts 'thanks but no thanks'.

New Zealand are due to play Pakistan in their de facto home in the United Arab Emirates in October and November. Pakistan are keen to get New Zealand there solely for the shortest component of the three-test,

It won't happen.

New Zealand Cricket's memories are long, as are those of the players who were there in 2002.

New Zealand did play five ODIs there a year later, and lost the lot, and since the Sri Lankan team bus was attacked in Lahore in 2009 the only cricket there has been short form matches against Zimbabwe (2015), a World XI in both September last year and last month, and a one-off game against Sri Lanka last October.

Another point to consider.

The government's travel advisory website lists Pakistan as 'extreme', or 'high' risk as a destination, depending on which part of the country you look at.

'Extreme' applies to what's known as the federally-administered tribal areas, such as the old North-West Frontier; 'high' is what it sounds — high risk due to the threat of terrorism, kidnapping and ''the unpredictable security situation''. That includes the likes of Lahore and Karachi, the key cricket locations.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12044169

 

[Hawkeye]

Sethi had to make this public.

More embarrassment. NZ are just playing nice and don't want to hurt us by saying "NO" right away.

Totally inept PCB.

 

[jadaja]

Sethi had to make this public.

More embarrassment. NZ are just playing nice and don't want to hurt us by saying "NO" right away.

Totally inept PCB.

Sethi is doing right things, I don't think he made it public.It is not his fault teams are not touring Pakistan.

 

[msb314]

I agree with most posters that NZ are being nice and diplomatic but in reality have already made up theirbminds to reject this request.

We should focus on SAF and get them to tour Pakistan for a few ODI’s and T20’s.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Sethi had to make this public.

More embarrassment. NZ are just playing nice and don't want to hurt us by saying "NO" right away.

Totally inept PCB.

The idea of NZ even considerinh to tour is a BIG BIG PLUS since they haven't toured since 2003 and I am pretty sure ENG will follow if NZ tour.

 

[the Great Khan]

Terror attacks are down to a level lower than in 2005. The aussies will never tour Pakistan because they have always hated touring the country. I guess there's no amber nectar and other entertaining pursuits for them to indulge in..so dont expect any support from the CA on this front.

As for NZ, we might, might just get one T20 international out of them. It would be massive if it happens. The white nations have always had a racist attitude towards Pakistan and the terror attacks were a boon for them. They hated coming to the country and with the terror attacks rising they found a good legal way of avoiding the country. They tolerate India because of the money and prestige built around the game there and India's clever manoeuvrings post 2007 and 2008.

Some people on here say "oh when will cricket return"..cricket has returned. End of. Yes we are providing presidential security but thats what nations have asked for and we have provided it. The country can provide more security if necessary and is fast learning to handle such events. Terror attacks are at their lowest on over a decade. What excuse do they have?

Are the white nations superior to the windies? or the lankans?

The unofficial boycott needs to end. The white nations always talk about supporting sporting events in nations that suffer from terror. I mean they are having cyclying tours and football tournaments in israel for goodness sake, they never stopped having sporting events in Germany after Munich, and in 1984 the windies did not cancel their tour of england during the height of the IRA's campaign where it nearly killed the PM : http://home.bt.com/news/on-this-day...-conservative-party-conference-11364009905041

imagine if a bomb went off during a PMLN conference during a cricket tour..

Thats the double racist standards..lets call it out for what it is pure unadulterated racism. One rule for one race and another for the rest..

 

[Adijazz1706]

Terror attacks are down to a level lower than in 2005. The aussies will never tour Pakistan because they have always hated touring the country. I guess there's no amber nectar and other entertaining pursuits for them to indulge in..so dont expect any support from the CA on this front.

As for NZ, we might, might just get one T20 international out of them. It would be massive if it happens. The white nations have always had a racist attitude towards Pakistan and the terror attacks were a boon for them. They hated coming to the country and with the terror attacks rising they found a good legal way of avoiding the country. They tolerate India because of the money and prestige built around the game there and India's clever manoeuvrings post 2007 and 2008.

Some people on here say "oh when will cricket return"..cricket has returned. End of. Yes we are providing presidential security but thats what nations have asked for and we have provided it. The country can provide more security if necessary and is fast learning to handle such events. Terror attacks are at their lowest on over a decade. What excuse do they have?

Are the white nations superior to the windies? or the lankans?

The unofficial boycott needs to end. The white nations always talk about supporting sporting events in nations that suffer from terror. I mean they are having cyclying tours and football tournaments in israel for goodness sake, they never stopped having sporting events in Germany after Munich, and in 1984 the windies did not cancel their tour of england during the height of the IRA's campaign where it nearly killed the PM : http://home.bt.com/news/on-this-day...-conservative-party-conference-11364009905041

imagine if a bomb went off during a PMLN conference during a cricket tour..

Thats the double racist standards..lets call it out for what it is pure unadulterated racism. One rule for one race and another for the rest..

It's us who are allowing it to continue

 

[the Great Khan]

It's us who are allowing it to continue

explain? we have done all we can..attacks are down, players have played matches, I undestand holding a test series may be too much to ask but we have shown we can organise the limited over stuff..we need support not a boycott..

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

You need support by begging from some and by threatening others??? If you say about double standards of whites then why support this double standards from pcb??? Explain. @the_great_khan

 

[Adijazz1706]

explain? we have done all we can..attacks are down, players have played matches, I undestand holding a test series may be too much to ask but we have shown we can organise the limited over stuff..we need support not a boycott..

I'm talking about our subservient approach, SL Bangladesh and Windies touring is good, but we see the whites as a more attractive catch

 

[the Great Khan]

You need support by begging from some and by threatening others??? If you say about double standards of whites then why support this double standards from pcb??? Explain. @the_great_khan

who are we threatening? their stance vis a vis Bangladesh is right. Bangladesh should have supported us like we supported them. Our players play in the BPL, we have given plenty of opportunities for the national team to gain test status and once they gained that status we supported them by playing many a series. The least we expected was some support but alas.

coming onto the issue of racism, unfortunately we live in a world where you can no longer come out and say this openly. The white nations have in essence made it difficult to call them out on this prejudice..but no more..they should be called out for what they are and what they are doing. The ECB and the CA have always dreamt of regaining their lost position at the top of the tree and the emergence of the IPL gave them the chance they needed... Cricket isnt just about the game, its about the money and power it can give to certain countries.

In todays world before you get bombed they take away your ability to project soft power. That way it becomes easy to dehumanise you. Sport creates an opportunity for poorer nations to project themselves via this soft power. Thats why the Indian govt is hell bent on destroying pakistan cricket..but I digress..

the reason many of these nations boycott us is politics/prejudice not sport..

 

[MenInG]

The chances of New Zealand Cricket ending a 15-year absence from Pakistan remain slim, as some players voice their concerns.

NZC's board was scheduled to hear the latest independent security report from Pakistan this week as it considers an invitation for the Black Caps to play two Twenty20 internationals in the volatile nation later this year. A decision is expected within a fortnight.

Chief executive David White and Cricket Players Association boss Heath Mills both confirmed there were "reservations" among the playing group on safety grounds, but insist an open mind is being kept until the security report is presented.

Batting coach Craig McMillan, pictured with head coach Mike Hesson and bowling coach Shane Jurgensen, was in the Black Caps team whose 2002 Pakistan tour was cut short by a bomb blast.

Batting coach Craig McMillan, pictured with head coach Mike Hesson and bowling coach Shane Jurgensen, was in the Black Caps team whose 2002 Pakistan tour was cut short by a bomb blast.

It is being compiled by England's long-time security consultant Reg Dickason, the Australian former detective who accompanied the Black Caps to Pakistan in May 2002, when a bomb blast outside their Karachi hotel cut short their tour, and again in December 2003 when they returned and played five one-day internationals without incident.

Mills said there was a range of opinions among the players and not all were against touring Pakistan.

"We're confident in the security check process," said Mills.

"Some players are pretty ambivalent and happy to go if security says yes, others have expressed some concern and said 'do we have to, can't we just stay in Dubai'."

The Black Caps are scheduled to play three tests, three ODIs and three T20 internationals at Pakistan's cricketing 'home' in the United Arab Emirates in October and November.

Test cricket hasn't been played in Pakistan since 2009 when gunmen attacked Sri Lanka's team bus on the way to Lahore's Gaddafi Stadium. Five security men were killed and seven players injured.

After an understrength West Indies jetted in to Karachi in April and played three T20s against Pakistan in as many days, the PCB invited NZC to send the Black Caps to play in front of the nation's cricket-starved fans.

The tests, ODIs and one T20 would be played in the UAE, and under the proposal it is understood the Black Caps would fly in and out for back-to-back T20s in successive days in Pakistan.

The government's safe travel website warns New Zealanders against all tourist and non-essential travel to Pakistan, rating it "high risk" due to the threat of terrorism, the risk of kidnapping, potential for civil unrest and the unpredictable security situation.

There are other factors making it difficult for NZC to accept Pakistan's invitation.

It is understood insurance costs for players and support staff would be astronomical, and NZC would be reluctant to send an understrength Black Caps side if half the squad refused to tour.

It's highly unlikely batting coach Craig McMillan would agree to tour Pakistan. He was there for the 2002 blast and along with Scott Styris, Lou Vincent and Ian Butler made themselves unavailable to return the following year.

Former Black Caps Grant Elliott and Luke Ronchi have both played in Pakistan in the past year amid heavy security, in a World XI match and the Pakistan Super League final respectively.

New Zealander Mark Coles, who coaches Pakistan's women's team, said the Black Caps could be confident with security arrangements and if they toured it would be a massive boost for Pakistan cricket. "I don't have any concerns for my safety here," he told Stuff this month.

PCB chief executive Najam Sethi, in an interview with the Telegraph in the UK, estimated the near-decade of having to play in the UAE rather than Pakistan had cost it around $140 million, for stadium hire and accommodation.

"The last 10 years have been a dark period in our cricket history," Sethi told the Telegraph.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...ouring-pakistan-as-nzc-awaits-security-report

 

[MenInG]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...caps-were-rocked-by-a-bombing-and-all-got-out

New Zealand Cricket is considering a request from Pakistan to send the Black Caps there for a brief visit later this year. Stuff cricket writer Mark Geenty recounts his experiences on the last two tours there more than a decade ago.

The deafening sound of shattering glass is the first thing you hear.

Immediately followed by a deep, dull thud that seems to emanate from within the rib cage.

New Zealand cricket team manager Jeff Crowe, left, speaks as South African match referee Mike Procter looks on during a news conference in Karachi after the Black Caps cricket tour was cancelled.

Heart-pounding shock is soon replaced by an eerie feeling of calm that you've survived a bomb blast, uninjured.

So it was at 7.45am on Thursday, May 9, 2002 on the seventh floor of the Pearl Continental Hotel in Karachi, which housed the Black Caps preparing for the second test against Pakistan. And a solitary cricket writer from New Zealand Press Association.

Pakistan Navy personnel examine a damaged pickup truck in front of the New Zealand cricket team's hotel in Karachi.
Across the road, outside the Sheraton, a Suzuki hatchback full of explosives had ploughed into a bus carrying French and German naval engineers, killing 14 people in a targeted attack. By coincidence or not, two international cricket teams were staying in a nearby hotel.

Jolted awake, I tumbled away from the impact from bed to floor as the warm air and a cacophony of noise filled the room. Jagged shards of glass were contained by the heavy curtains that now lay crumpled on the carpet.

Down the hall, wicketkeeper Rob Hart was returning to his room after breakfast and dived to avoid flying glass. Mark Richardson's quiet contemplation on the toilet, visualising the express pace of Shoaib Akhtar, was interrupted as he was jolted from his seat. Captain Stephen Fleming was about to devour his morning porridge in the hotel restaurant before the bowl crashed to the floor.

Coach Denis Aberhart and captain Stephen Fleming describe their harrowing Pakistan experience on return to Auckland in May 2002.
Fleming's blood ran cold, a thought that would later bring him to tears on return to Auckland. He believed half his team, the advance party, were already on the bus outside and may have taken the impact.

Team physiotherapist Dayle Shackel was the only one on board, and, mercifully, the bus was far enough away. Shackel dived to the floor and was enveloped by glass. A cut below his left elbow was his only wound. Remaining his calm and measured self, Shackel wondered aloud what would have happened if the bomber had struck five minutes later when the team bus was pulling out.

Hotel guests filed down the stairs to the lobby. The team's Australian security man Reg Dickason's moustache bristled as he bellowed "get the f… outside". His fear was a follow-up bomb.

New Zealand's batsman Hamish Marshall celebrates his century against Pakistan during the third one-day international on December 3, 2003. )

Players gathered by the pool, calling their loved ones in New Zealand. Sirens blared, amid chaotic scenes by the wreckage just around the corner, out of sight. One or two curious players took a peek but most stayed well away, avoiding any sights that might later haunt them. Everyone was safe but wanted out and manager Jeff Crowe, a good man for a crisis, soon confirmed the 7pm flight to Singapore was booked. Tour over.

I returned to my window-less room, crunched over the broken glass to the desk in the corner, got a dial-up connection with that melodic screech, and filed some words. One preview of a career as a war correspondent was enough.

Hours later, hundreds of armed police and soldiers lined the route to the airport as the bus completed an uneventful journey and delivered its shaken passengers. Watching some ashen-faced players swigging from a bottle of Montana's finest was one abiding memory of that journey.

Eighteen months later, we were back.

NZC chief executive Martin Snedden and the board agreed to a quickfire five-ODI tour to compensate Pakistan for the early finish in 2002. Snedden led from the front by joining the tour party himself, with Dickason watching everyone's backs along with thousands of police and soldiers.

Craig McMillan, Scott Styris, Lou Vincent and Ian Butler were unavailable after what they'd experienced in 2002, and few could blame them. The tour was pushed back a week because of emailed threats to the New Zealanders' safety if they toured during the holy month of Ramadan.

Fleming was injured, so Chris Cairns, idolised by his team-mates, was handed the captaincy with Daniel Vettori his deputy. Vettori, Chris Harris, Daryl Tuffey and Mathew Sinclair were the four returning from 2002. Seven players made their ODI debuts: Craig Cumming, Richard Jones, Hamish Marshall, Michael Mason, Matthew Walker, Kerry Walmsley and Tama Canning.

Security was massive. The plane from Dubai landed in Lahore in the early hours and players and officials were shepherded through the crowds to the bus. Armed police in cars and motorbikes blocked off every intersection and escorted the bus to the hotel. Same routine from hotel to ground for practice and matches.

I felt safer than I would taking a stroll down Courtenay Place on a Saturday night. My room at one end of the hotel corridor was attended by four guards carrying semi-automatics with 'No Fear' written on the back of their black t-shirts.

There was never any alarm. Not that we knew of, anyway. A full-strength Pakistan won the series 5-0, delighting the home fans who flocked to the grounds behind high fences. Little of the on-field action lingers in the memory, aside from Mason emerging from a December winter fog to open the bowling in Faisalabad, and Marshall later requesting a photo in front of the rickety scoreboard with 101 next to his name

Back home, a few weeks later, I read of a bombing on the road to Islamabad Airport which we'd been driven down. Five years later the Marriott Hotel where the Australian television crew stayed on that tour went up in flames after a truck packed with explosives rammed into the front of it.

Would I return? Not now. Those tours were an adventure, an education, and the Pakistani people were as friendly and hospitable as anywhere in the world, but as a parent your perspective changes. Everyone is affected differently, and opinions will vary about the levels of risk of returning to a volatile country a world away from our New Zealand cocoon.

 

[USofA]

So the proposal is similar to what the WI did. Two T20's in two days. In and out. In such a scenario, I think the security provided would be very good. The NZ players can be confident.

As far as bringing normal cricket back to Pakistan, not sure if this does anything for it. All this will do is interrupt the daily lives of the locals. It does not take the case forward for normal cricket in Pakistan.

Though I see the need to do this, I think the next step (whatever that is) has to be taken to progress. Doing the same thing as the WI series accomplishes very little. But on the flip side, do the visiting team have the appetite for something new. Perhaps not. So catch 22, I guess.

 

[saeed5646]

So the proposal is similar to what the WI did. Two T20's in two days. In and out. In such a scenario, I think the security provided would be very good. The NZ players can be confident.

As far as bringing normal cricket back to Pakistan, not sure if this does anything for it. All this will do is interrupt the daily lives of the locals. It does not take the case forward for normal cricket in Pakistan.

Though I see the need to do this, I think the next step (whatever that is) has to be taken to progress. Doing the same thing as the WI series accomplishes very little. But on the flip side, do the visiting team have the appetite for something new. Perhaps not. So catch 22, I guess.

Do you know how much pcb earn from psl play off and final in karachi ?.it was huge money .this is easy money and pcb knows they will earn handsome if t20s played in pakistan rather than uae

 

[USofA]

Do you know how much pcb earn from psl play off and final in karachi ?.it was huge money .this is easy money and pcb knows they will earn handsome if t20s played in pakistan rather than uae

What you have said is a completely different topic. My point is related to resuming normal full tours. Not about how much $$ PCB makes.

The PCB has to start moving forward from the 2 and 3 T20's in as many days tours. They have to take the next step. It is not going to be easy. But has to happen. How or when, I am not sure.

 

[saeed5646]

What you have said is a completely different topic. My point is related to resuming normal full tours. Not about how much $$ PCB makes.

The PCB has to start moving forward from the 2 and 3 T20's in as many days tours. They have to take the next step. It is not going to be easy. But has to happen. How or when, I am not sure.

I know what you are talking about realistically non asian won.t tour for full series very soon but pcb can minimize the damage by inviting a asian team like sl,bd,even w.i team for full series than it will open the door further for team like Nz ,SA