"PCB will only agree to the next FTP once the ICC resolves Pak's dispute with India" : Najam Sethi

[Moh@n]

We have nothing more to lose so might as well take this fight to the end.

From what I understand from the OP, PCB's stand is that they won't sign the FTP if they don't get compensated by the BCCI.

Firstly, an FTP means zilch if individual boards are free to arrange series in mutual agreement with other boards.

Secondly, why do you think any other board or the ICC would care if Pakistan says they won't play at all till this dispute is resolved? It's PCB's loss if they choose to go this way because Pakistan is getting atleast some cricket currently.

 

[navin]

From what I understand from the OP, PCB's stand is that they won't sign the FTP if they don't get compensated by the BCCI.

Firstly, an FTP means zilch if individual boards are free to arrange series in mutual agreement with other boards.

Secondly, why do you think any other board or the ICC would care if Pakistan says they won't play at all till this dispute is resolved? It's PCB's loss if they choose to go this way because Pakistan is getting atleast some cricket currently.

because they think they are the center of the world and world moves around them

 

[English August]

India hasn't played any cricket with Pakistan in the last 10 years, have cancelled numerous home series which have ended up costing the PCB $70 m in losses and then went back on their word and promises of future series with Pakistan in exchange for the Big 3 vote. The BCCI must compensate the PCB for these losses or play the series that they deliberately avoided in the past and bailed out without explanation even on neutral territory.

Every statement in this post is factually incorrect!

India played Pak as recently as 6 months ago! (Remember all that gloating from your side when you won that fluke final?!!!)

Pak didn't lose $70M. You can not lose what you don't have in the first place. $70M is some random number PCB pulled out of a hat, which at best can be called an "opportunity loss". Opportunity loss is not same as real loss!!!! Imagine what will happen if you start compensating for perceived opportunity loss!! People will start making all kinds of wild claims ("we'd have made $1B if you'd done so-and-so ...").

 

[daytrader]

Every statement in this post is factually incorrect!

India played Pak as recently as 6 months ago! (Remember all that gloating from your side when you won that fluke final?!!!)

Pak didn't lose $70M. You can not lose what you don't have in the first place. $70M is some random number PCB pulled out of a hat, which at best can be called an "opportunity loss". Opportunity loss is not same as real loss!!!! Imagine what will happen if you start compensating for perceived opportunity loss!! People will start making all kinds of wild claims ("we'd have made $1B if you'd done so-and-so ...").

What about that the gains the BCCI made with ICC restructuring into the big 3? Were those profits not real? The fact is PCB supported the BCCI and BCCI had an actual gain from it. When it comes to living up to your end of the bargain you might call it an 'opportunity loss' but your board didn't live upto it's word and we won't just let you brush it away.

 

[USofA]

What about that the gains the BCCI made with ICC restructuring into the big 3? Were those profits not real? The fact is PCB supported the BCCI and BCCI had an actual gain from it. When it comes to living up to your end of the bargain you might call it an 'opportunity loss' but your board didn't live upto it's word and we won't just let you brush it away.

The Big3 deal was already wrapped up without PCB support. So gains would have happened with or without the PCB.

 

[USofA]

Every statement in this post is factually incorrect!

India played Pak as recently as 6 months ago! (Remember all that gloating from your side when you won that fluke final?!!!)

Pak didn't lose $70M. You can not lose what you don't have in the first place. $70M is some random number PCB pulled out of a hat, which at best can be called an "opportunity loss". Opportunity loss is not same as real loss!!!! Imagine what will happen if you start compensating for perceived opportunity loss!! People will start making all kinds of wild claims ("we'd have made $1B if you'd done so-and-so ...").

Very valid point. The $70 number seems arbitrary. Can only be regarded as potential income.

 

[Allblacks2019]

What about that the gains the BCCI made with ICC restructuring into the big 3? Were those profits not real? The fact is PCB supported the BCCI and BCCI had an actual gain from it. When it comes to living up to your end of the bargain you might call it an 'opportunity loss' but your board didn't live upto it's word and we won't just let you brush it away.

PCB did not support the Big 3, they abstained. There is actually an official record of this vote from

Excerpts from BBC

8 February 2014

England, Australia and India will be given more control of cricket after a vote by the sport's governing body.

The measures agreed by the International Cricket Council (ICC) will overhaul the sport's governance, competitions and finances.

A new revenue-sharing agreement will give the lion's share of money to the 'Big Three' nations.

Eight of the 10 full members voted in favour at the ICC meeting in Singapore, with Pakistan and Sri Lanka choosing to abstain.

 

[Allblacks2019]

I think you should read up on contract law. A contract does not need to signed, written down on a legal piece of paper, a verbal agreement or a common understanding of the subject matter is enough and a court can agree a contract was made even if there is nothing signed on paper and in this case both the PCB and the BCCI signed on a document even if it is not legal. Any competent court will dig up facts, go back to newspaper articles, press releases and go back to how the BCCI was scurrying up votes and promising things in return for promises of future tours. The PCB should not drop this at any cost whatsoever.

SO does PCB have a MOU or a contract. Since you know so much about contract law, why don;t you tell us what conditions need to be met before a MOU? become s contract? shouldn't a contract specify resolution measures. Face it, you are clutching at straws.

Besides, if ICC forces India a to pay any mount to Pak in the current political climate, there will been enough outrage at Manohar in India that even CoA and SC won't be able to stop BCCI from completely pulling out of ICC.

FTR, I'm personally rooting for your goal, as this will mean India cricket can rid itself of ICC once and for all.

 

[daytrader]

PCB did not support the Big 3, they abstained. There is actually an official record of this vote from

Excerpts from BBC

8 February 2014

England, Australia and India will be given more control of cricket after a vote by the sport's governing body.

The measures agreed by the International Cricket Council (ICC) will overhaul the sport's governance, competitions and finances.

A new revenue-sharing agreement will give the lion's share of money to the 'Big Three' nations.

Eight of the 10 full members voted in favour at the ICC meeting in Singapore, with Pakistan and Sri Lanka choosing to abstain.

Yes they abstained - that was part of the deal, PCB did not vote against the changes

 

[Allblacks2019]

Yes they abstained - that was part of the deal, PCB did not vote against the changes

BWaaaah. Their not vote would not have made a difference. 8 votes required to pass and Big 3 got it. SL and PCB were scared to vote truthfully.

 

[Savak]

Every statement in this post is factually incorrect!

India played Pak as recently as 6 months ago! (Remember all that gloating from your side when you won that fluke final?!!!)

Pak didn't lose $70M. You can not lose what you don't have in the first place. $70M is some random number PCB pulled out of a hat, which at best can be called an "opportunity loss". Opportunity loss is not same as real loss!!!! Imagine what will happen if you start compensating for perceived opportunity loss!! People will start making all kinds of wild claims ("we'd have made $1B if you'd done so-and-so ...").

I think you need a refresher on how broadcast deals work. The home country, the host country has the right to get revenue from the broadcasters and an Indo-Pakistan series generates a lot of revenue for the home country which includes the broadcast deals, the broadcaster then agrees to sign a deal of $50 million with the PCB for televising the Pakistan-India home series for the PCB but will only transfer the funds once the series takes place, if the series is cancelled, abandoned, the deal is null and void and the PCB does not get the $50 million and that is a loss to the PCB.

 

[Savak]

From what I understand from the OP, PCB's stand is that they won't sign the FTP if they don't get compensated by the BCCI.

Firstly, an FTP means zilch if individual boards are free to arrange series in mutual agreement with other boards.

Secondly, why do you think any other board or the ICC would care if Pakistan says they won't play at all till this dispute is resolved? It's PCB's loss if they choose to go this way because Pakistan is getting atleast some cricket currently.

The test playing nations come under the ICC. So if the BCCI continues to act like we will do whatever we want to do without any regard for the losses that another Cricket board will suffer because of them then the suffering member of ICC has every right to raise the issue with the ICC and even sue the ICC for not playing its role properly.

 

[Savak]

SO does PCB have a MOU or a contract. Since you know so much about contract law, why don;t you tell us what conditions need to be met before a MOU? become s contract? shouldn't a contract specify resolution measures. Face it, you are clutching at straws.

Besides, if ICC forces India a to pay any mount to Pak in the current political climate, there will been enough outrage at Manohar in India that even CoA and SC won't be able to stop BCCI from completely pulling out of ICC.

FTR, I'm personally rooting for your goal, as this will mean India cricket can rid itself of ICC once and for all.

The MOU was signed in exchange for the PCB vote and in return (future Indian tours to Pakistan were promised). The BCCI has clearly gone back on their word and promises and has shown they had no intention of honouring their commitment.

 

[Allblacks2019]

The MOU was signed in exchange for the PCB vote and in return (future Indian tours to Pakistan were promised). The BCCI has clearly gone back on their word and promises and has shown they had no intention of honouring their commitment.

Nonsense.

The above post is intellectual dishonesty or utter ignorance.

1) The Big 3 vote happened on Feb 8 2014 and passed with 8 votes for , which was all was required. PCB and SL voted to abstain.Their no wouldn't have mattered and cowardice prevented them from voting no.

So there is no quid pro quo between PCB and BCCI.

Are you going to enlighten us with your contract law knowledge? Is an MOU legally binding without any further action? Are their conditions that need to met for an MOU to become contract? Does this MOU state any of this?

 

[Savak]

Nonsense.

The above post is intellectual dishonesty or utter ignorance.

1) The Big 3 vote happened on Feb 8 2014 and passed with 8 votes for , which was all was required. PCB and SL voted to abstain.Their no wouldn't have mattered and cowardice prevented them from voting no.

So there is no quid pro quo between PCB and BCCI.

Are you going to enlighten us with your contract law knowledge? Is an MOU legally binding without any further action? Are their conditions that need to met for an MOU to become contract? Does this MOU state any of this?

I think it is you who is being ignorant.

The PCB and the BCCI signed the MOU in exchange for the PCB vote (whether that vote was needed or not is irrelevant to the discussion). A contract does not have to be written on a legal piece of paper, it can be verbal as well as long as there is an offer, promise, consideration, understanding of the subject matter. The signatures in that document (whether legal or not) is proof that the BCCI knew what they were getting into as far as the above is concerned. You can check every media, news outlet at the time that this MOU is what the BCCI gave to the PCB in exchange for the PCB vote. A competent court will definately examine this closely and give the BCCI headaches.

 

[Mr.Q]

I think you should read up on contract law. A contract does not need to signed, written down on a legal piece of paper, a verbal agreement or a common understanding of the subject matter is enough and a court can agree a contract was made even if there is nothing signed on paper and in this case both the PCB and the BCCI signed on a document even if it is not legal. Any competent court will dig up facts, go back to newspaper articles, press releases and go back to how the BCCI was scurrying up votes and promising things in return for promises of future tours. The PCB should not drop this at any cost whatsoever.

Man it doesn't work that way. I'll explain. That verbal agreement part is generally used to handle some exceptional circumstances like disputes between two individuals where a signed document might not be present. A formally signed contract is very much necessary in most cases. PCB and BCCI are two sports governing bodies at the national level and the communication between them is 'inter-national'. It has to be formal. The absence of a formal contract means a final agreement was never reached. Even if the court for some strange reason considers it as a contract, the problem I mentioned in the previous post exists. The moment GOI declined permission to play, the contract becomes void as it stops BCCI from performing the 'task' and is a factor beyond its control.

Post wont be complete without one more point. The blame is always eventually put on the GOI for the lack of cricket between India and Pakistan. I think the Government has very good reasons to not organise friendly bilateral series with Pakistan but it's a diplomatic decision and has nothing to with the innocent people of Pakistan. So don't take it personally guys. I see a lot of emotional reactions on several threads with the same topic which I feel should have been avoided.

 

[Saj]

I doubt very much that PCB will get anything from ICC or BCCI.

The PCB will be left with running around trying to play fill-in series when BCCI refuses ti play any series against them.

All this talk of we will do this and we will do that from PCB is hot air and just playing out in front of the cameras.

 

[Savak]

Man it doesn't work that way. I'll explain. That verbal agreement part is generally used to handle some exceptional circumstances like disputes between two individuals where a signed document might not be present. A formally signed contract is very much necessary in most cases. PCB and BCCI are two sports governing bodies at the national level and the communication between them is 'inter-national'. It has to be formal. The absence of a formal contract means a final agreement was never reached. Even if the court for some strange reason considers it as a contract, the problem I mentioned in the previous post exists. The moment GOI declined permission to play, the contract becomes void as it stops BCCI from performing the 'task' and is a factor beyond its control.

Post wont be complete without one more point. The blame is always eventually put on the GOI for the lack of cricket between India and Pakistan. I think the Government has very good reasons to not organise friendly bilateral series with Pakistan but it's a diplomatic decision and has nothing to with the innocent people of Pakistan. So don't take it personally guys. I see a lot of emotional reactions on several threads with the same topic which I feel should have been avoided.

A competent lawyer can bring up so many arguments like Why is the GOI okay with Indo-Pak matches in ICC tournaments but not bilateral series? If security is a problem then why did the BCCI not agree to a neutral venue? If there is no govt approval then why is the BCCI okay with Pakistan touring India to play Indian home series but not okay with touring Pakistan or playing a Pakistani home series on neutral soil? Why is the GOI allowing other sporting activities like Kabaddi, Hockey, Football between India and Pakistan in Pakistan or India but somehow magically against a Pakistani home series? Is the BCCI deliberately avoiding anything which will financially benefit the PCB and that the Indian govt approval is not the real issue here? Why did the BCCI sign the MOU and make promises to the PCB in exchange for the Big 3 vote when they knew full well that they did not have govt approval to play against Pakistan?

 

[Savak]

I doubt very much that PCB will get anything from ICC or BCCI.

The PCB will be left with running around trying to play fill-in series when BCCI refuses ti play any series against them.

All this talk of we will do this and we will do that from PCB is hot air and just playing out in front of the cameras.

People said the same thing about hosting the PSL in Dubai, hosting the PSL in Pakistan, bringing foreign players to Pakistan or bringing an international team to Pakistan. Everyone over here can be utterly downing and as negative as possible which is the favorite pass time of Pakistani's as a whole in general but i fully trust Sethi who has proven to be someone who walks the talk and does everything to get things done inspite of overwhelming criticisms, risks.

 

[Saj]

People said the same thing about hosting the PSL in Dubai, hosting the PSL in Pakistan, bringing foreign players to Pakistan or bringing an international team to Pakistan. Everyone over here can be utterly downing and as negative as possible which is the favorite pass time of Pakistani's as a whole in general but i fully trust Sethi who has proven to be someone who walks the talk and does everything to get things done inspite of overwhelming criticisms, risks.

That was largely in the PCB's own hands.

The FTP is not.

 

[Allblacks2019]

I think it is you who is being ignorant.

The PCB and the BCCI signed the MOU in exchange for the PCB vote (whether that vote was needed or not is irrelevant to the discussion). A contract does not have to be written on a legal piece of paper, it can be verbal as well as long as there is an offer, promise, consideration, understanding of the subject matter. The signatures in that document (whether legal or not) is proof that the BCCI knew what they were getting into as far as the above is concerned. You can check every media, news outlet at the time that this MOU is what the BCCI gave to the PCB in exchange for the PCB vote. A competent court will definately examine this closely and give the BCCI headaches.

You keep repeating the samething. PCB's task is to prove that that this MOU is legally binding contract with remedies specified.Before that they have to find a court they which will take up the case and one that has jurisdiction.

Yoou have been ranting like PCb for a long time now, with claims of contract law knowledge.

1) Tell us where both parties have agreed to remidies when siging teh cnteract. PCB might stupid eoungh to sign one without remeidies. BCCI is not.

2) Whicih court has jurisdiction

As I mentioned before, I'm rooting for your goal.

 

[Savak]

That was largely in the PCB's own hands.

The FTP is not.

But then why are you making fun of the PCB for this FTP problem which is not even finalized yet and will take atleast a year to finalize. The PCB has already told the ICC that they will not sign off or agree to anything until the Dispute resolution process is complete. I think it is too premature to criticize the PCB at this time when they can potentially find ways to increase the number of fixtures for Pakistan.

 

[Savak]

You keep repeating the samething. PCB's task is to prove that that this MOU is legally binding contract with remedies specified.Before that they have to find a court they which will take up the case and one that has jurisdiction.

Yoou have been ranting like PCb for a long time now, with claims of contract law knowledge.

1) Tell us where both parties have agreed to remidies when siging teh cnteract. PCB might stupid eoungh to sign one without remeidies. BCCI is not.

2) Whicih court has jurisdiction

As I mentioned before, I'm rooting for your goal.

I am no lawyer myself but as far as the ICC is concerned, the PCB can file the case in Dubai where the ICC headquarters are located. As far as the BCCI is concerned, the PCB can file a case in an Indian High Court or the CAS in Switzerland.

The ECB in order to recover the fine from Danish Kaneria initiated proceedings in a Pakistani Court against him even though the episode took place in England.

 

[Allblacks2019]

A competent lawyer can bring up so many arguments like Why is the GOI okay with Indo-Pak matches in ICC tournaments but not bilateral series? If security is a problem then why did the BCCI not agree to a neutral venue? If there is no govt approval then why is the BCCI okay with Pakistan touring India to play Indian home series but not okay with touring Pakistan or playing a Pakistani home series on neutral soil? Why is the GOI allowing other sporting activities like Kabaddi, Hockey, Football between India and Pakistan in Pakistan or India but somehow magically against a Pakistani home series? Is the BCCI deliberately avoiding anything which will financially benefit the PCB and that the Indian govt approval is not the real issue here? Why did the BCCI sign the MOU and make promises to the PCB in exchange for the Big 3 vote when they knew full well that they did not have govt approval to play against Pakistan?

So you think a commercial court will penalize a nation for it foreign policy exercising it sovereignty? that it by far the most idiotic thing I have read on this forum

 

[Allblacks2019]

I am no lawyer myself but as far as the ICC is concerned, the PCB can file the case in Dubai where the ICC headquarters are located. As far as the BCCI is concerned, the PCB can file a case in an Indian High Court or the CAS in Switzerland.

The ECB in order to recover the fine from Danish Kaneria initiated proceedings in a Pakistani Court against him even though the episode took place in England.

You claimed to know contract law. Is that a misleading statement?

 

[Savak]

So you think a commercial court will penalize a nation for it foreign policy exercising it sovereignty? that it by far the most idiotic thing I have read on this forum

Or maybe penalize a board for lying and for having other ulterior motives for deliberately not playing Pakistan in a Pakistani home series in either Pakistan or neutral venue when the real motive is to just avoid doing anything that will financially benefit the PCB big time.

 

[Allblacks2019]

Or maybe penalize a board for lying and for having other ulterior motives for deliberately not playing Pakistan in a Pakistani home series in either Pakistan or neutral venue when the real motive is to just avoid doing anything that will financially benefit the PCB big time.

Isn't that exactly questioning the sovereignty and foreign policy of India? LMAO. Would love to see that.

 

[Savak]

Isn't that exactly questioning the sovereignty and foreign policy of India? LMAO. Would love to see that.

The Indian Govt cannot magically have a policy of allowing bilateral and other ties with Pakistan whenever Pakistan is touring India for an Indian home series, when India and Pakistan play each other in ICC tournaments and then magically all of a sudden have a policy of not allowing bilateral and other ties with Pakistan when it is India's turn to play Pakistan in Pakistan's home series either in Pakistan or in a Neutral venue.

It is quite possible that the BCCI is deliberately making the lack of govt approval up which is very possible given that the Indian govt has no objections to Pakistan-India playing in other sports with each other in both Pakistan and India, Pakistani artists working in India, the Pakistani Cricket team touring India or playing each other in ICC tournaments but all of a sudden disallows the Indian team from touring Pakistan or playing against Pakistan in a neutral venue. BCCI's real motive is to deny the PCB the right to earn big $$$

 

[Allblacks2019]

The Indian Govt cannot magically have a policy of allowing bilateral and other ties with Pakistan whenever Pakistan is touring India for an Indian home series, when India and Pakistan play each other in ICC tournaments and then magically all of a sudden have a policy of not allowing bilateral and other ties with Pakistan when it is India's turn to play Pakistan in Pakistan's home series either in Pakistan or in a Neutral venue.

It is quite possible that the BCCI is deliberately making the lack of govt approval up which is very possible given that the Indian govt has no objections to Pakistan-India playing in other sports with each other in both Pakistan and India, Pakistani artists working in India, the Pakistani Cricket team touring India or playing each other in ICC tournaments but all of a sudden disallows the Indian team from touring Pakistan or playing against Pakistan in a neutral venue. BCCI's real motive is to deny the PCB the right to earn big $$$

So you are not a lawyer, but an expert on contract law as well as powers of sovereignty. Keep digging.

 

[Allblacks2019]

The Indian Govt cannot magically have a policy of allowing bilateral and other ties with Pakistan whenever Pakistan is touring India for an Indian home series, when India and Pakistan play each other in ICC tournaments and then magically all of a sudden have a policy of not allowing bilateral and other ties with Pakistan when it is India's turn to play Pakistan in Pakistan's home series either in Pakistan or in a Neutral venue.

It is quite possible that the BCCI is deliberately making the lack of govt approval up which is very possible given that the Indian govt has no objections to Pakistan-India playing in other sports with each other in both Pakistan and India, Pakistani artists working in India, the Pakistani Cricket team touring India or playing each other in ICC tournaments but all of a sudden disallows the Indian team from touring Pakistan or playing against Pakistan in a neutral venue. BCCI's real motive is to deny the PCB the right to earn big $$$

BTW, Pak had contract with USA for latest F16 and they even paid for it. US policy changed after the contract was signed and Pak got some expensive wheat instead of F16.

So tell me about commercial court and a MOU trumps Sovereignty and Foreign policy of India

 

[Savak]

BTW, Pak had contract with USA for latest F16 and they even paid for it. US policy changed after the contract was signed and Pak got some expensive wheat instead of F16.

So tell me about commercial court and a MOU trumps Sovereignty and Foreign policy of India

The US and Pakistan negotiated and agreed to a compromise. That is the difference and the PCB has clearly told the BCCI and the ICC to come to the table to either work out a compromise or this will be a prolonged litigation battle. If the foreign policy of India is no cricketing ties with Pakistan then why was this policy not applied in the CT 2017, in the T-20 WC of 2016, Asia Cup 2016, 2015 WC, Asia Cup 2014, CT 2013, the Indian home series of 2012, the T-20 WC of 2012, 2011 WC, 2010 Asia Cup, 2009 T-20 WC? Does this so-called foreign policy only apply to the Pakistani Home Series in Pakistan or on Neutral Venue?

 

[Savak]

So you are not a lawyer, but an expert on contract law as well as powers of sovereignty. Keep digging.

Not an expert on anything, just pointing the discrepancies and double standards of the BCCI and how it conveniently chooses to use the "Lack of govt approval" card whenever it is Pakistan's turn to host India in Pakistan or on Neutral territory but all of a sudden the Indian govt has no problem when it comes to India hosting Pakistan in India, India playing against Pakistan in ICC events. And then the PCB made promises on paper to the PCB in exchange for the PCB vote for the Big 3 proposal and is now shamelessly going back on it

 

[Allblacks2019]

Not an expert on anything, just pointing the discrepancies and double standards of the BCCI and how it conveniently chooses to use the "Lack of govt approval" card whenever it is Pakistan's turn to host India in Pakistan or on Neutral territory but all of a sudden the Indian govt has no problem when it comes to India hosting Pakistan in India, India playing against Pakistan in ICC events. And then the PCB made promises on paper to the PCB in exchange for the PCB vote for the Big 3 proposal and is now shamelessly going back on it

Has India hosted pakistan since the big 3 in bilateral?

 

[Allblacks2019]

The US and Pakistan negotiated and agreed to a compromise. That is the difference and the PCB has clearly told the BCCI and the ICC to come to the table to either work out a compromise or this will be a prolonged litigation battle. If the foreign policy of India is no cricketing ties with Pakistan then why was this policy not applied in the CT 2017, in the T-20 WC of 2016, Asia Cup 2016, 2015 WC, Asia Cup 2014, CT 2013, the Indian home series of 2012, the T-20 WC of 2012, 2011 WC, 2010 Asia Cup, 2009 T-20 WC? Does this so-called foreign policy only apply to the Pakistani Home Series in Pakistan or on Neutral Venue?

So when there was contract in place for F16, Pak agreed to some very expansive wheat as compromise.

They don't have a contract and want free money. And you think a court is going to give it them? LMAO

 

[Savak]

So when there was contract in place for F16, Pak agreed to some very expansive wheat as compromise.

They don't have a contract and want free money. And you think a court is going to give it them? LMAO

What makes you think that the court will not regard the MOU signed b/w the PCB and the BCCI as a significant act which proves that the BCCI wanted something in exchange for something and the PCB wanted something in exchange for something with both parties being signatories to the arrangement. There was a clear intention to enter into an arrangement with promises being made behind the scenes and in public. Given that the BCCI signed on the document and BCCI signed on the document, it makes it pretty significant and objections like it was not on a legal piece of paper is insignificant, the court will look at the facts prevailing at the time and it will get really tricky for the ICC and BCCI. The PCB is not asking for free money, the PCB is asking for compensation for the losses they have suffered due to the BCCI choosing to go back on its word.

 

[Allblacks2019]

What makes you think that the court will not regard the MOU signed b/w the PCB and the BCCI as a significant act which proves that the BCCI wanted something in exchange for something and the PCB wanted something in exchange for something with both parties being signatories to the arrangement. There was a clear intention to enter into an arrangement with promises being made behind the scenes and in public. Given that the BCCI signed on the document and BCCI signed on the document, it makes it pretty significant and objections like it was not on a legal piece of paper is insignificant, the court will look at the facts prevailing at the time and it will get really tricky for the ICC and BCCI. The PCB is not asking for free money, the PCB is asking for compensation for the losses they have suffered due to the BCCI choosing to go back on its word.

1) Becos MOU's are not contracts

2) any reasonable court will also look at the Feb 8th vote which ratified big 3 with a vote of 8-0-2, in which PCB, in all it cowardice abstained and conclude that this is a extortion scheme by a pathetic board.

 

[English August]

I think you need a refresher on how broadcast deals work. The home country, the host country has the right to get revenue from the broadcasters and an Indo-Pakistan series generates a lot of revenue for the home country which includes the broadcast deals, the broadcaster then agrees to sign a deal of $50 million with the PCB for televising the Pakistan-India home series for the PCB but will only transfer the funds once the series takes place, if the series is cancelled, abandoned, the deal is null and void and the PCB does not get the $50 million and that is a loss to the PCB.

I know exactly how broadcasting deals work, but you need to learn the concept of profit and loss. What you've described is a classic example of "opportunity loss". There was an opportunity for PCB to make money if India had toured. That $70M (which is a purely random number by the way) is the amount they would have been paid by the broadcaster if India had toured. But India did not tour, so the transaction never happened. That's an opportunity loss, but no one took away $70M from PCB's bank account.

If you're stupid enough to bet your future on a single country touring you (especially when that country happens to be a sworn enemy), you deserve every "loss" you make!

 

[daytrader]

I am no lawyer myself but as far as the ICC is concerned, the PCB can file the case in Dubai where the ICC headquarters are located. As far as the BCCI is concerned, the PCB can file a case in an Indian High Court or the CAS in Switzerland.

The ECB in order to recover the fine from Danish Kaneria initiated proceedings in a Pakistani Court against him even though the episode took place in England.

you make an excellent point. We should see this case through to it's logical conclusion. If the ICC dispute resolution committee cannot give us justice then we should go knocking on Indian courts...what a drama it would make! I'm certain the honourable judges in their higher courts will have more ghairat then the trolls on here. It's possible they might honour their written word

 

[Allblacks2019]

you make an excellent point. We should see this case through to it's logical conclusion. If the ICC dispute resolution committee cannot give us justice then we should go knocking on Indian courts...what a drama it would make! I'm certain the honourable judges in their higher courts will have more ghairat then the trolls on here. It's possible they might honour their written word

Yup, Pak is going to win in India high courts. Thats the ticket

Maybe if Nehru is still around. Modi is in charge.not the spineless MMS

 

[JattMaula]

you make an excellent point. We should see this case through to it's logical conclusion. If the ICC dispute resolution committee cannot give us justice then we should go knocking on Indian courts...what a drama it would make! I'm certain the honourable judges in their higher courts will have more ghairat then the trolls on here. It's possible they might honour their written word

I don't think aliens(non citizens) can sue in Indian courts without permission from GOI.

 

[daytrader]

Yup, Pak is going to win in India high courts. Thats the ticket

Maybe if Nehru is still around. Modi is in charge.not the spineless MMS

buddy quit trolling. Go spend your time wisely and learn something. Here's a hint to start: read up on the three branches of government

 

[Allblacks2019]

buddy quit trolling. Go spend your time wisely and learn something. Here's a hint to start: read up on the three branches of government

Read up differences between MOU's, LOI and contracts.

 

[daytrader]

Read up differences between MOU's, LOI and contracts.

If your argument is that an MoU is not a contract hence it's not legally binding then you clearly haven't done your research

 

[daytrader]

I know exactly how broadcasting deals work, but you need to learn the concept of profit and loss. What you've described is a classic example of "opportunity loss". There was an opportunity for PCB to make money if India had toured. That $70M (which is a purely random number by the way) is the amount they would have been paid by the broadcaster if India had toured. But India did not tour, so the transaction never happened. That's an opportunity loss, but no one took away $70M from PCB's bank account.

If you're stupid enough to bet your future on a single country touring you (especially when that country happens to be a sworn enemy), you deserve every "loss" you make!

In another thread you mentioned BCCI and PCB being 'thick friends' - so typical like your board, ready to go back on your words

 

[English August]

In another thread you mentioned BCCI and PCB being 'thick friends' - so typical like your board, ready to go back on your words

Welcome to the world of sports politics. Relationships change as situation changes. BCCI needed PCB in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. It was still in the process of establishing its hegemony in the world of cricket. Now that it's done, PCB is dispensable. If you do not understand the complexity of Indo-Pak relationship (in cricket and outside of cricket), I'm afraid you're going to be perplexed by many things in life.

Finally, Pakistan should be last country talking about "going back on words". They happily boycotted India when they wanted to score brownie points with their Saudi Lords and Masters and position themselves as the saviors of Islam. Now that they desperately need the Indian $, they're crying non-stop. Hypocrisy much?!!!

 

[Allblacks2019]

If your argument is that an MoU is not a contract hence it's not legally binding then you clearly haven't done your research

Show us the research. My name has been on about 2 dozen MOU's. 22 of them died with no further action and only two reached the level of a legally binding contract.

Put up or shut up time. Show me cases where MOU's have been treated as Legally binding contracts by courts, that too involving international organizations.

the other poster checked out by saying he is not lawyer or anything.

 

[daytrader]

Welcome to the world of sports politics. Relationships change as situation changes. BCCI needed PCB in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. It was still in the process of establishing its hegemony in the world of cricket. Now that it's done, PCB is dispensable. If you do not understand the complexity of Indo-Pak relationship (in cricket and outside of cricket), I'm afraid you're going to be perplexed by many things in life.

Finally, Pakistan should be last country talking about "going back on words". They happily boycotted India when they wanted to score brownie points with their Saudi Lords and Masters and position themselves as the saviors of Islam. Now that they desperately need the Indian $, they're crying non-stop. Hypocrisy much?!!!

huh? what are you on buddy, let me have some of that. Last i checked this was a cricket thread discussing the current PCB vs BCCI dispute. When did it turn into a debate about world politics?

Please get off your high horse and come out of this 'world revolves around us mentality'. You might not need us now and we might be 'dispensable' but we don't need you either to thrive. PCB and Pak cricket are doing fine without BCCI money. Case in point: even with all your money and IPL experience your team still managed to lose by 180 runs to my team, in a world tournament final!

The only hypocrisy here is coming from your side. Your board reached out to my board to get our support for your cause. Your broad promised something in return for my board's support. Heck your board even went as far as to send my board a signed letter by an executive stating so. And once your board got what they wanted, they went back on their word... that's like the literal definition of hypocrisy

 

[daytrader]

Show us the research. My name has been on about 2 dozen MOU's. 22 of them died with no further action and only two reached the level of a legally binding contract.

Put up or shut up time. Show me cases where MOU's have been treated as Legally binding contracts by courts, that too involving international organizations.

the other poster checked out by saying he is not lawyer or anything.

you answered your own question. It only takes one ball for a wicket

 

[Allblacks2019]

you answered your own question. It only takes one ball for a wicket

So you don't have any research to show?

The two MOU's reached the legally binding contract after 3-6 triggers, followed by a letter on intent about a contract and about 6 months of negotiation over the terms of the contract. Till both the parties agreed on the terms of the contract, either one could call it off.

SO What are the triggers in this MOU? what are the terms of the contract. Where are the remedys?

 

[daytrader]

So you don't have any research to show?

The two MOU's reached the legally binding contract after 3-6 triggers, followed by a letter on intent about a contract and about 6 months of negotiation over the terms of the contract. Till both the parties agreed on the terms of the contract, either one could call it off.

SO What are the triggers in this MOU? what are the terms of the contract. Where are the remedys?

The thing is you're only looking at it from the prospect of this one document ("MoU") that came into the public domain. Try to look at the dispute a holistically: back in 2014, when they were proposing the changes to ICC, there were a lot of negotiations behind the scenes. It is a known fact that the BCCI tried it's best to persuade all other members of the ICC to support the change. I am sure that there are meeting minutes, phone calls, emails etc between Sethi and his BCCI counterparts, which can imply that the BCCI's intention was to enter this agreement. The MoU just formally recognizes that intention. A good lawyer can definitely argue that this is a contract and not just a letter whipped out of thin air

 

[Savak]

I know exactly how broadcasting deals work, but you need to learn the concept of profit and loss. What you've described is a classic example of "opportunity loss". There was an opportunity for PCB to make money if India had toured. That $70M (which is a purely random number by the way) is the amount they would have been paid by the broadcaster if India had toured. But India did not tour, so the transaction never happened. That's an opportunity loss, but no one took away $70M from PCB's bank account.

If you're stupid enough to bet your future on a single country touring you (especially when that country happens to be a sworn enemy), you deserve every "loss" you make!

That Indian tour which was our home series is an FTP event which India is blatantly violating, this is India's wrongdoing.

 

[Allblacks2019]

The thing is you're only looking at it from the prospect of this one document ("MoU") that came into the public domain. Try to look at the dispute a holistically: back in 2014, when they were proposing the changes to ICC, there were a lot of negotiations behind the scenes. It is a known fact that the BCCI tried it's best to persuade all other members of the ICC to support the change. I am sure that there are meeting minutes, phone calls, emails etc between Sethi and his BCCI counterparts, which can imply that the BCCI's intention was to enter this agreement. The MoU just formally recognizes that intention. A good lawyer can definitely argue that this is a contract and not just a letter whipped out of thin air

1) You still don't have any research to show

2) What matters is what is on paper and that too in legally enforceable form, with proper remedies specified.

Going by your argument and if one looked at the mater holistically and realistically,

The Big 3 deal was passed on 8th Fen 2014, with required 8 in favor and 2 abstaining and none voting against.

The two voting abstain could change their votes to NO and teh measure would have still passed.

There is nothing to be gained by BCCI from this MOU. that is the holistic and realistic picture.

So you want a court to believe BCCI entered into a contract with enormous penalties and nothing to gain?

 

[daytrader]

1) You still don't have any research to show

2) What matters is what is on paper and that too in legally enforceable form, with proper remedies specified.

Going by your argument and if one looked at the mater holistically and realistically,

The Big 3 deal was passed on 8th Fen 2014, with required 8 in favor and 2 abstaining and none voting against.

The two voting abstain could change their votes to NO and teh measure would have still passed.

There is nothing to be gained by BCCI from this MOU. that is the holistic and realistic picture.

So you want a court to believe BCCI entered into a contract with enormous penalties and nothing to gain?

really, are their profit gains not real?

 

[Allblacks2019]

really, are their profit gains not real?

I though you were looking at this holistically?

did the big 3 not pass on Feb 8th 2014?

did PCB not abstain in cowardice after complaining about it for a month?

Is it not true the gains made by BCCI are not affected if PCB had the courage to vote no?

SO once again, what exactly did BCCI gain from agreeing to this MOU which is being touted as contract? What is the benefit to BCCI from PCB changing its mind 2 months later? Don't say gains from big 3. that was done without PCB's help.

 

[Mr.Q]

A competent lawyer can bring up so many arguments like Why is the GOI okay with Indo-Pak matches in ICC tournaments but not bilateral series? If security is a problem then why did the BCCI not agree to a neutral venue? If there is no govt approval then why is the BCCI okay with Pakistan touring India to play Indian home series but not okay with touring Pakistan or playing a Pakistani home series on neutral soil? Why is the GOI allowing other sporting activities like Kabaddi, Hockey, Football between India and Pakistan in Pakistan or India but somehow magically against a Pakistani home series? Is the BCCI deliberately avoiding anything which will financially benefit the PCB and that the Indian govt approval is not the real issue here? Why did the BCCI sign the MOU and make promises to the PCB in exchange for the Big 3 vote when they knew full well that they did not have govt approval to play against Pakistan?

Some of the answers are there in your questions. Playing an ICC tournament and playing a bilateral series against a particular country are different. The two countries haven't been in good terms. I don't think security is an issue for a series in the UAE. It's a decision by the Government. There are elements in Pakistan we're not happy with and your authorities call them 'social reformers'. When did the Government really say they're happy with Pakistan visiting India for a bilateral series here?! I don't follow hockey but which hockey series are you talking about? What will the BCCI gain by avoiding something that will benefit the PCB? Every contract is bound by some external factors. The diplomatic situation changed afterwards and the Govt denied permission.

India has its own problems to deal with and Pakistan is not in the priority list as a friend or as an enemy in the present scenario. The considerable difference between the two economies post separation has been a result of this difference in attitude. PCB's priority should be running the PSL in Pakistan. It should strengthen itself.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That Indian tour which was our home series is an FTP event which India is blatantly violating, this is India's wrongdoing.

Can you show the FTP agreement?The letter on basis of which pcb is making claims, itself says that a FTP agreement will be signed in future.

 

[CanadianG00se]

buddy quit trolling. Go spend your time wisely and learn something. Here's a hint to start: read up on the three branches of government

You know very well right BCCI is basically being run by SUPREME COURT. Even if PCB manages to file a case in any Indian high court and win it, will have no bearing as Supreme court will struck it down. In India, decision by Supreme court is final and can’t be challenged anywhere in India.

Also, PCB cant file case against BCCI in CAS, Swiss as India is not a signatory to its rules, in other words India are not obliged to follow the outcome of any case that may take place there.

Why do you think PCB filed a case at ICC dispute resolution and not with courts in India or in Swiss? You need to ask yourself why did PCB chose ICC over courts? Answer is simple they knew it will not make India pay them compensation. Even with ICC, the real possible solution will upset PCB and its fans, but PCB must be applauded for atleast trying.

 

[daytrader]

I though you were looking at this holistically?

did the big 3 not pass on Feb 8th 2014?

correct.... but for a guy who's so experienced in MoU's maybe you missed the fact that the MoU is dated April 9, 2014. This only proves that even after the BIG 3 vote passed, BCCI was not confident and still needed PCB support at the annual ICC conference in June. Throughout this period there were tonnes of negotiations behind the scenes, the MoU is one outcome of those and not some document out of thin air

did PCB not abstain in cowardice after complaining about it for a month?

PCB knew a deal was coming. Abstaining only assured the BIG 3 that PCB is willing to negotiate

Is it not true the gains made by BCCI are not affected if PCB had the courage to vote no?

that's subjective: if PCB did vote 'no' it's also possible that other boards could've found courage from that dissenting view. It would've only taken one more board to abstain from voting for the resolution not to pass

SO once again, what exactly did BCCI gain from agreeing to this MOU which is being touted as contract? What is the benefit to BCCI from PCB changing its mind 2 months later? Don't say gains from big 3. that was done without PCB's help.

Good question. One to ask your board. In my opinion BCCI wasn't certain the changes would pass especially if a few boards objected vocally. They offered PCB a deal to keep us quiet. And now they won't honour their end so why should we keep quiet! We'll make all the noise we can about the two facedness of India

 

[daytrader]

You know very well right BCCI is basically being run by SUPREME COURT. Even if PCB manages to file a case in any Indian high court and win it, will have no bearing as Supreme court will struck it down. In India, decision by Supreme court is final and can’t be challenged anywhere in India.

Also, PCB cant file case against BCCI in CAS, Swiss as India is not a signatory to its rules, in other words India are not obliged to follow the outcome of any case that may take place there.

Why do you think PCB filed a case at ICC dispute resolution and not with courts in India or in Swiss? You need to ask yourself why did PCB chose ICC over courts? Answer is simple they knew it will not make India pay them compensation. Even with ICC, the real possible solution will upset PCB and its fans, but PCB must be applauded for atleast trying.

I don't follow the internal affairs of BCCI much but from my understanding the supreme court set up a commission which is trying to enforce changes on the BCCI? This means all is not well and the supreme court and BCCI are at odds with each other.

The MoU and the entire dispute between PCB and BCCI started in 2014 under the helm of Srinivasan, who the supreme court has barred from BCCI. It's a long shot but it's possible the supreme court of India might look at the PCB's case more favourably against people it's trying to oust. Would definitely make for an interesting case but PCB has decided to take the saner route and get the ICC to help resolve the dispute.

 

[Allblacks2019]

correct.... but for a guy who's so experienced in MoU's maybe you missed the fact that the MoU is dated April 9, 2014. This only proves that even after the BIG 3 vote passed, BCCI was not confident and still needed PCB support at the annual ICC conference in June. Throughout this period there were tonnes of negotiations behind the scenes, the MoU is one outcome of those and not some document out of thin air



PCB knew a deal was coming. Abstaining only assured the BIG 3 that PCB is willing to negotiate




that's subjective: if PCB did vote 'no' it's also possible that other boards could've found courage from that dissenting view. It would've only taken one more board to abstain from voting for the resolution not to pass



Good question. One to ask your board. In my opinion BCCI wasn't certain the changes would pass especially if a few boards objected vocally. They offered PCB a deal to keep us quiet. And now they won't honour their end so why should we keep quiet! We'll make all the noise we can about the two facedness of India

1) you are yet to show any of your research on MOU becoming legally biding contracts with not further action. this steh 3rd time I'm calling out on this. Find some pride and admit you have no ciue on MOU, LOI and contracts.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims which run counter all available information or are you spinning a wishful tale?

There is another more realistic interpretation:

PCB was a begging pest that would not go away after the big 3 vote in Feb 2014. BCCI handed it a meaningless document which PCB was happy enough with and was able to fool Pak fans with.

Wonder if BCCI will be able to counter sue PCB for extortion?

 

[CanadianG00se]

I don't follow the internal affairs of BCCI much but from my understanding the supreme court set up a commission which is trying to enforce changes on the BCCI? This means all is not well and the supreme court and BCCI are at odds with each other.

The MoU and the entire dispute between PCB and BCCI started in 2014 under the helm of Srinivasan, who the supreme court has barred from BCCI. It's a long shot but it's possible the supreme court of India might look at the PCB's case more favourably against people it's trying to oust. Would definitely make for an interesting case but PCB has decided to take the saner route and get the ICC to help resolve the dispute.

Lastly, I forgot to add earlier that only CITIZENS of India can file case in Supreme court. So, no I do not see any possibility of case where Supreme court will look into.

Now if ICC decides to pay off PCB from BCCI’s share of revenue, then Supreme court will probably ban flow of money to ICC from Indian sponsors( Supreme court did this in 2002 fiasco). In other words, ICC will be hurting themselves. Tbh PCB are in lose-lose situation and are probably isolating themselves even further. They really need to accept and move on and try to improve relationship with other cricket boards. Currently, three out of four boards are not in good terms with PCB.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't follow the internal affairs of BCCI much but from my understanding the supreme court set up a commission which is trying to enforce changes on the BCCI? This means all is not well and the supreme court and BCCI are at odds with each other.

The MoU and the entire dispute between PCB and BCCI started in 2014 under the helm of Srinivasan, who the supreme court has barred from BCCI. It's a long shot but it's possible the supreme court of India might look at the PCB's case more favourably against people it's trying to oust. Would definitely make for an interesting case but PCB has decided to take the saner route and get the ICC to help resolve the dispute.

Srinivasan was barred for conflict of interest issues nothing criminal.

Indias refusal to play Pakistan is a foreign policy decision of GOI.Supreme court cant interfere there.

 

[daytrader]

1) you are yet to show any of your research on MOU becoming legally biding contracts with not further action. this steh 3rd time I'm calling out on this. Find some pride and admit you have no ciue on MOU, LOI and contracts.

you claim to be an MoU expert with 22 MoUs under your name or whatnot but you missed the date on the MoU
I don't think you have even read the MoU, if you did you would find many of the technicalities you are looking for

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims which run counter all available information or are you spinning a wishful tale?

the evidence is in front of you, if you want to turn a blind eye to it that's your choice. I understand it's easier to be ignorant for some

There is another more realistic interpretation:

PCB was a begging pest that would not go away after the big 3 vote in Feb 2014. BCCI handed it a meaningless document which PCB was happy enough with and was able to fool Pak fans with.

Now that didn't work did it..3 years on and PCB is still harassing you like a collections agent. I don't think there's a statue of limitation in this case, how long will you run from your debts...

Wonder if BCCI will be able to counter sue PCB for extortion?

many wonder that when they get a collection call day and night

 

[Hermoine Green]

PCB is delusional, nothing else.

 

[Allblacks2019]

you claim to be an MoU expert with 22 MoUs under your name or whatnot but you missed the date on the MoU
I don't think you have even read the MoU, if you did you would find many of the technicalities you are looking for



the evidence is in front of you, if you want to turn a blind eye to it that's your choice. I understand it's easier to be ignorant for some



Now that didn't work did it..3 years on and PCB is still harassing you like a collections agent. I don't think there's a statue of limitation in this case, how long will you run from your debts...



many wonder that when they get a collection call day and night

show me you research on the MOU, LOI and and contract like I asked repeatedly. Its put up or shut up time.

You mentioned PCB knew deal was coming. this thread with ZAKA's staemnt day before vote says otherwise

"We'll stand firm as soldiers do against the Big 3 proposals" : Zaka Ashraf

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-against-the-Big-3-proposals-quot-Zaka-Ashraf

I've read the MOU, it boiler plate with no guarantees. it has no triggers and no remedies.

Actually it did work. It has fooled gullible pak fans into thinking it is actually a contract. For 3 years PCB sat like quite little kids who had been promised lolli pop

The current action by pak is them trying to exploit the situation becos they think BCCI is at its weakest. even then they are not able to get anything done. manohar doesn't support pak cliam

KARACHI: The PCB is miffed that the ICC Chairman Shashank Manohar defended BCCI's decision to not play bilateral series with them during the arbitration meeting on their decision to file a compensation claim of $70 million against the Indian Cricket Board.

Manohar knows there will be severe backlash fromindia, becos he made his ICC moves before BCCI would organize itself and all his work will be lost.

Of course there is former PCB chairman Shahryar Khan on the MOU

Karachi: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has found itself in an embarrassing position over its plans to seek compensation from the BCCI for not honouring the MoU signed between the two countries to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023. Former chairman Shaharyar Khan left the PCB in an awkward position when he told the media in Lahore this week that Pakistan had a weak case against the BCCI and was unlikely to get compensation. He said that Pakistan's case was weak since the MoU contained a clause that all series between the two countries will be subject to government clearance.

 

[AlizeeFan]

Wrong again, you need to read up on broadcast deals. The PCB suffered losses in broadcast deals when the BCCI failed to fulfil their obligations to tour Pakistan or to play Pakistan in a neutral venue. The BCCI needs to compensate the PCB for those losses along with other losses.

What's the investment PCB hasn't done for those losses?

 

[English August]

huh? what are you on buddy, let me have some of that. Last i checked this was a cricket thread discussing the current PCB vs BCCI dispute. When did it turn into a debate about world politics?

Please get off your high horse and come out of this 'world revolves around us mentality'. You might not need us now and we might be 'dispensable' but we don't need you either to thrive. PCB and Pak cricket are doing fine without BCCI money. Case in point: even with all your money and IPL experience your team still managed to lose by 180 runs to my team, in a world tournament final!

The only hypocrisy here is coming from your side. Your board reached out to my board to get our support for your cause. Your broad promised something in return for my board's support. Heck your board even went as far as to send my board a signed letter by an executive stating so. And once your board got what they wanted, they went back on their word... that's like the literal definition of hypocrisy

We're still talking about cricket, and not world politics. Which part of my post referred to world politics? I was only trying to explain to you why Pak chose to boycott India in the past and is crying now.

I don't think India would ever need Pak's support in cricket in the future. We're are two totally different trajectories. Like it or not, India is indispensable to cricket. Pakistan is also-ran (both from the standpoint of cricket on the field and ICC politics). It would be better for you if you accepted this reality.

 

[Harshu814]

the ICC has nearly two years to finalise the FTP. We are perfectly within our rights to bargain for our position. If we lose which seems likely it just means that we will not be compensated for the stupid idiotic idea of signing onto a MOU.

The PCB needs to get in line with the rest of our more prominent institutions and recognise that the Indian government has a policy to isolate us culturally, economically and diplomatically. The BCCI is just another tool in its long game. I am quite sure that if the BCCI were to be given the power to make an independent decision it would be happy to play us. However it has no reason to cause a problem with its own government in favour of Pakistan. We need to accept this reality.

The PCB should be looking at what their FTP is going to look like and also rescheduling their home season around India's. We should have a set home season and a set winter season. But alas that takes leadership and long term thinking which higher ups in the organisation lack.

You do realize that signed MOU is a myth? I mean if there was an actual MOU why didnt PCB publicly show it?

Dilusions are funny things!

Btw bcci is another tool?? Do u even read or hear BCCI SAYS they wanna play with pak?? But unless govt allows they can not! (many ppl in india dont even like them supporting playing with pak idea--so if what u say is the case BCCI wouldnt say what it said)

Alas FTP is just piece of paper telling what country. Plays where and all the input to icc is given by respective countries,ITS NOT A GOD DAMN BINDING CONTRACT!!! So on what basis should india evn though not wanting to play with pak, shud play with pak?? Just coz pak says it need ind tour money?? Well i dont think thats gonna happen any day soon

PCB just need to cast it out of govt body and be indigenous, only that way it can truly do something good!!

And stop chasing the rabbit

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

ICC’s FTP put on hold until decision on Pakistan-India bilateral series case: Sethi

KARACHI: The 2019-2023 Future Tours Programme (FTP) of the International Cricket Council (ICC) has been put on hold pending the case regarding the bilateral series between Pakistan and India which is to be decided by the world governing body’s dispute resolution committee, PCB chairman Najam Sethi said on Tuesday.

“The proceedings in the case have started. Recently, the ICC dispute resolution committee has asked for witnesses [in the case] from both the sides who were involved in signing the MoU [in 2014] for six bilateral series during the 2015-2023 cycle. From the Pakistan side, I am the witness. The very important thing is that the entire FTP [drafted late last year] has been put on hold due to this case. It is significant to recall that we signed the FTP subject to the outcome of the dispute,” Sethi said while talking to Dawn here at the National Stadium on Tuesday.

“Two aspects are crucial in this case. First, the dispute resolution committee is to decide whether or not India is liable [legally responsible] for not honouring the MoU signed with the PCB. Second, if it is decided that India is liable, then it has to be decided to what extent it is liable,” he added.

Responding to what impact the case will have on Pakistan’s participation in the 2018 Asia Cup, scheduled to be held in India during September, the PCB chief said the case – purely concerning bilateral series -- has no direct link with the Asia Cup.

Commenting on the Pakistan Super League (PSL) final, to be held at the National Stadium later this month, Sethi urged the Karachiites to make the big game a huge success.

“On March 25, Karachi and its cricket fans will be under the spotlight of world cricket. Therefore, I urge them to remain disciplined and show to the entire world that they are exemplary hosts and great sporting city as they have always been,” he said.

“On our part, the PCB is determined to stage the final here in the country’s biggest city, with the cooperation of Sindh government and law-enforcement agencies.”

Answering a question regarding the possibility of the PCB holding Pakistan’s ‘home’ series in Malaysia instead of the UAE, Sethi said the availability of all venues for the series in the UAE would be an important factor.

“We are scheduled to host Australia and New Zealand in the UAE [during October-November]. However, there is a possibility that Afghanistan’s T20 league, which is going to be launched in the UAE during the same time, may clash with these series, subsequently creating venue availability issues for us. Therefore, we are considering other avenues for organising our home series [as a back-up option],” he elaborated.

When reminded that despite the thunderous success of PSL, it is a matter of concern that the graph of Pakistan national team has gone down in both Tests and the ODIs, Sethi said, “After the PSL final, we are going to hold a comprehensive meeting aimed finding the shortcomings in our domestic cricket infrastructure and making it more competitive. All stakeholders including departments, regions and associations will feature in this meeting.”

Meanwhile, Sethi said there was a minor change in the schedule for West Indies team’s forthcoming tour to Pakistan for a three-match T20 International series.

“West Indies have confirmed that they will play three T20s in Pakistan. However, but there is a slight change in the schedule. Instead of March 29, 30 and April 1, they will now play the games on April 1, 2 and 4,” Sethi said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1393628/i...on-pakistan-india-bilateral-series-case-sethi

 

[Mercurial]

Every statement in this post is factually incorrect!

India played Pak as recently as 6 months ago! (Remember all that gloating from your side when you won that fluke final?!!!)

Pak didn't lose $70M. You can not lose what you don't have in the first place. $70M is some random number PCB pulled out of a hat, which at best can be called an "opportunity loss". Opportunity loss is not same as real loss!!!! Imagine what will happen if you start compensating for perceived opportunity loss!! People will start making all kinds of wild claims ("we'd have made $1B if you'd done so-and-so ...").

But, that was a real loss for India, not an opportunity loss

 

[pmahones]

you claim to be an MoU expert with 22 MoUs under your name or whatnot but you missed the date on the MoU
I don't think you have even read the MoU, if you did you would find many of the technicalities you are looking for



the evidence is in front of you, if you want to turn a blind eye to it that's your choice. I understand it's easier to be ignorant for some



Now that didn't work did it..3 years on and PCB is still harassing you like a collections agent. I don't think there's a statue of limitation in this case, how long will you run from your debts...



many wonder that when they get a collection call day and night

So what happens to the FTP now? did PCB sign the FTP? Given this verdict and if PCB did not accept/sign the FTP, does it mean rets of the boards can/will potentially ignore PCB?