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"People were waiting for us to fail" : Jonny Bairstow

Yes they havent set the world on fire but which team has.Even India struggled against Afghans.This is the WC.Teams are going to come hard at Eng than than the bilaterals.A glimpse of this was trying to open bowling with a leg spinner against Roy.In bilaterals teams may not do this but in WC every weakness is put out in the open.You need to adjust not whine.If they want each game to be high scoring its not going to happen.Against Pakistan they got intimidated by Pak fans and lost the plot.Tell me how a team is supposed to win WC with this attitude.As far as bad luck is concerned you will have ups and down through this tournament.This round robin format was supposed to aid them as they been one of the best teams.I remember you mentioning we fluked CT due to tight format but now you are making excuses for Eng when honestly there are none.Its all about tweaking and playing sensibly.

Bairstow shouldn't have said what he said in public. He is already getting criticised by Vaughan and I don't think his comments will be well-received in the dressing room either. Now is not the time to complain - England's fate is still in their hands.
 
Totally agree! but PPers will call it a fluke if England wins this tournament with some luck involved ;-)

Success is a process. England have worked hard to become the number 1 team in the world, and if they do get some luck from here till the end of the tournament, they deserve it.
 
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Bairstow shouldn't have said what he said in public. He is already getting criticised by Vaughan and I don't think his comments will be well-received in the dressing room either. Now is not the time to complain - England's fate is still in their hands.

Why doesn’t bairstow keep in both formats and buttler play as a pure batsman? Buttler is an atrocious keeper against spin
 
Don’t be daft, he got a hundred at age forty against Roberts-Holding-Garner-Croft in their back yard.

The archetypal Yorkshireman is a blunt obdurate type not given to complaint.

But, as per records, he did dodge against Lillee/Thommo, when Thommo announced I want to see blood on the pitch. Also, did he play in 1976 when Holding/Roberts were bombarding the England team? Picking and choosing matches/tours for whatever reasons, have tarnished his image a bit, specially those two series?

Against a peak WI attack, his stats are moderate not great, right?

A great batsman, but one of the most selfish players to play the game. Ask Botham, how he ran him out against NZ.
 
Why doesn’t bairstow keep in both formats and buttler play as a pure batsman? Buttler is an atrocious keeper against spin

Having separate keepers for Tests and LOIs, without comprising on batting ability is a luxury that few countries have. Bairstow is one of England's best batsmen and making him keep in all formats is not a great idea.
 
Poor comments and seems to be very brittle. Players should be ready to play on any type of pitch and show their talent and mental toughness. No use in crying about regarding pitches. The pitches have not been anywhere near unplayable, they were sporting pitches which offered some assistance for bowlers, that's all. It is not like pitches have been square turners like in Sub-Continent or fast and bouncy like in WACA/Durban.

Michael Vaughan is a good observer of the game and passes right comments most of the time unlike some of the other ex-cricketers. Anyhow, Bairstow should focus on his job which is to score runs rather than give these kinds of interviews.
 
His comment epitomizes England cricket team. Richly talented but as brittle as snowflake. Slightest of pressure and they are crumbling already, wrong sense of entitlment of how ICC should've prepared the pitches for them.

Whatever happens on sunday, this team can never lift the cup until they improve their attitude. Learn something from the Aussies

Spot on. They also have a victim mentality.
 
It is easy to call England crybabies, but any team in their position would complain about the type of pitches that they have been served.

If Pakistan were to become the number 1 team in the world by dominating in their conditions, and when the time comes for them to host the World Cup and ICC serves them green or bouncy pitches, people would be whinging all over the forum.

Our fans are sitting on their high (but midget) horse at the moment because there is a possibility that we might limp our way into the semis, but we cannot forget how much we complained in the first few weeks of the tournament.

From crying about the pitches to umpires to our schedule. We were moaning machines.
 
But, as per records, he did dodge against Lillee/Thommo, when Thommo announced I want to see blood on the pitch. Also, did he play in 1976 when Holding/Roberts were bombarding the England team? Picking and choosing matches/tours for whatever reasons, have tarnished his image a bit, specially those two series?

Against a peak WI attack, his stats are moderate not great, right?

A great batsman, but one of the most selfish players to play the game. Ask Botham, how he ran him out against NZ.

I know all about Botham running him out. Selfishness is not cowardice.

He slugged it out against Pollock in SA and Lillee in Australia. He didn’t dodge anyone, he went into self-imposed international exile for three years because he believed he was not good enough.

On return in 1977 he immediately got two centuries against Thommo. He got two centuries in his final Ashes series against Lillee and Lawson in 1981 aged 41.
 
If England don't win the World Cup this time, let alone reaching semis it will be laughable. For all the macho mania, hype, media and last minute residency maneuvering it doesn't make any sense if they end up whining like a bunch of brats.

It seems likely they will be beaten in the Ashes also.
 
I wonder what would have happened had English cricketers were subjected to criticism like Pakistani cricketers as former Pakistani cricketers does. Those comments are on a totally different level!
 
Other teams can cry about weather and abandoned matches.... England didn't even get that. They were just beaten by everyone and their aunt and shown their real worth :)))
 
If England don't win the World Cup this time, let alone reaching semis it will be laughable. For all the macho mania, hype, media and last minute residency maneuvering it doesn't make any sense if they end up whining like a bunch of brats.

It seems likely they will be beaten in the Ashes also.

If England don't reach the sf, let alone winning the cup.... Just a correction.
 
Here in India, our players use their clout to silence the critics. And compared to that, England players do get more harsher treatment.
 
Success is a process. England have worked hard to become the number 1 team in the world, and if they do get some luck from here till the end of the tournament, they deserve it.

Johny Baristow has just asked ICC to prepare batting friendly wickets for them as it suits their style. If ever you need a definition of shamelessness, this is it.

Oh and btw you dont deserve success, you earn it by winning the damn game.
 
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Johny Baristow has just asked ICC to prepare batting friendly wickets for them as it suits their style. If ever you need a definition of shamelessness, this is it.

Oh and btw you dont deserve success, you earn it by winning the damn game.

Both India and Australia benefited from favorable pitches when they hosted the World Cup, but ICC suddenly decided to act neutral with the pitches when it was England’s time to host the World Cup. They have every right to be aggrieved.
 
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Both India and Australia benefited from favorable pitches when they hosted the World Cup, but ICC suddenly decided to act neutral with the pitches when it was England’s time to host the World Cup. They have every right to be aggrieved.

So called elite team should be able to win in all conditions?

You ovverate England so much . They are a good team but not as good as you make out. They were struggling against De Silva and Hafeez LOL on pitches that weren't even rank turners.

Say what you want but India and Australia won tournament were they were favourites. Your favourite team is collapsing under the pressure of the favourites tag.
 
even with the favourable pitches england would not have won. They are not good when pressure is put on them in big events. Pitches are just an excuse.
 
So called elite team should be able to win in all conditions?

You ovverate England so much . They are a good team but not as good as you make out. They were struggling against De Silva and Hafeez LOL on pitches that weren't even rank turners.

Say what you want but India and Australia won tournament were they were favourites. Your favourite team is collapsing under the pressure of the favourites tag.

England should have adapted better but ICC have completely taken home advantage away from them. The challenge of winning in all conditions was not posed to India and Australia when they hosted the World Cup.
 
England should have adapted better but ICC have completely taken home advantage away from them. The challenge of winning in all conditions was not posed to India and Australia when they hosted the World Cup.

Reason is their bowling is weak? Have you checked the economy rate of ENgland in the last few years? It is the worst among all countries. Not sure why you rate a side that conceded 340 plus repeatedly to Pakistan (a team that you don't rate much)?
 
England should have adapted better but ICC have completely taken home advantage away from them. The challenge of winning in all conditions was not posed to India and Australia when they hosted the World Cup.

They should have adapted better. The best team in the world should be able to beat teams in all conditions.

Your just making excuses .
 
It is easy to call England crybabies, but any team in their position would complain about the type of pitches that they have been served.

If Pakistan were to become the number 1 team in the world by dominating in their conditions, and when the time comes for them to host the World Cup and ICC serves them green or bouncy pitches, people would be whinging all over the forum.

Our fans are sitting on their high (but midget) horse at the moment because there is a possibility that we might limp our way into the semis, but we cannot forget how much we complained in the first few weeks of the tournament.

From crying about the pitches to umpires to our schedule. We were moaning machines.

England should have adapted better but ICC have completely taken home advantage away from them. The challenge of winning in all conditions was not posed to India and Australia when they hosted the World Cup.

England are the worse offenders in world cricket in regard to doctoring pitches for home matches.

They shouldn't have spent the last 4 years blowing their own trumpet winning series on tiny roads and instead learned how to play World Cup winning cricket.
 
They should have adapted better. The best team in the world should be able to beat teams in all conditions.

Your just making excuses .

But England have been given challenges that the last two champions weren’t.
 
But England have been given challenges that the last two champions weren’t.

The conditions were never going to be flat roads. But as part of planning you plan for all conditions. You don't just plan for flat roads.
 
England's #1 ranking was a clear cut fluke if they are expected to perform on flat roads exclusively. Remember 4 years in the making of this fluke ranking, and a bowler dubbed world class after 3 ODI internationals was going to shock the world, so much so England were demoted to #2 during the group stages of the WC!

Either rankings are ridiculous, or England are overated, perhaps both.
 
It is easy to call England crybabies, but any team in their position would complain about the type of pitches that they have been served.

If Pakistan were to become the number 1 team in the world by dominating in their conditions, and when the time comes for them to host the World Cup and ICC serves them green or bouncy pitches, people would be whinging all over the forum.

Our fans are sitting on their high (but midget) horse at the moment because there is a possibility that we might limp our way into the semis, but we cannot forget how much we complained in the first few weeks of the tournament.

From crying about the pitches to umpires to our schedule. We were moaning machines.

They were for Australia in 2015.

Australian wickets are flat because drop in. Not by deliberate engineering as was the case with England.

Australia also didn't fall for the embarrassing "aim to score 500" joke that England did.
 
England are the worse offenders in world cricket in regard to doctoring pitches for home matches.

They shouldn't have spent the last 4 years blowing their own trumpet winning series on tiny roads and instead learned how to play World Cup winning cricket.

Nonsense. It is impossible to doctor a wicket here as the weather is so unpredictable. Last year we had a belting hot June, this year hosing with rain and overcast.

How do you learn to play WC winning cricket in the four years when the WC isn’t on?

How do you make the grounds bigger, exactly?
 
Australian wickets are flat because drop in. Not by deliberate engineering as was the case with England.

Australia also didn't fall for the embarrassing "aim to score 500" joke that England did.

Whatever the reason(s), India and Australia were not forced outside their comfort zones in their home World Cups. The farmer pitch on which England played Sri Lanka was a farce.
 
Nonsense. It is impossible to doctor a wicket here as the weather is so unpredictable. Last year we had a belting hot June, this year hosing with rain and overcast.

How do you learn to play WC winning cricket in the four years when the WC isn’t on?

How do you make the grounds bigger, exactly?

Well if you can't learn to play WC winning cricket in 4 years, then so called rankings based on bilateral etc are a complete mockery when judging who is favourite to win the WC.
 
So to sum it up, it's an ICC conspiracy again England. It's true, cos if do not feel comfortable at home, or confident in domestic conditions, then it's the curators fault.

Pitches don't score runs, batsmen do.
 
Nonsense. It is impossible to doctor a wicket here as the weather is so unpredictable. Last year we had a belting hot June, this year hosing with rain and overcast.

How do you learn to play WC winning cricket in the four years when the WC isn’t on?

How do you make the grounds bigger, exactly?

See every Ashes series when the weather magically creates pitches that suit England's needs perfectly.

Australia manage to learn world Cup cricket fine. Focus on having a strong team with the ability to adapt rather than designing a team on the dream that you will get perfect batting conditions every time and score 400.
Lool at Morgan's batting stance against Afghan and tell me that England haven't lost sight of basic batting principles.

Cricket is a centuries old game. The basic fundamentals are what they are for a reason. Finch and Warner put on a century opening stance, the wicket was hardly unreasonable for batsmen yet little Johnny is crying to the media that the conditions were unfair.
 
Whatever the reason(s), India and Australia were not forced outside their comfort zones in their home World Cups. The farmer pitch on which England played Sri Lanka was a farce.

India's comfort zone is square turner. Which match had square turners in 2011? Nothing. If anything India generously offered flat bed to England (who tied with India chasing 333) and SA who chased 299 successfully against India. India had Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Dhoni, Kohli, Yuvraj, Raina.Zaheer you think this line up will need "help"? THey didn't benefit in any match

Australia bowling was good. Even when they got bowled out for 151. They reduced NZ 9 wicket down. Their batting was complemented by their bowling. Pitches were flat for everyone. Every team scored 300, 400 easily what seperated them from Australia was Australia's bowling. That is why they won. If they had carried a dud bowling attack like England carries now, they would have been beaten as well.
 
Whatever the reason(s), India and Australia were not forced outside their comfort zones in their home World Cups. The farmer pitch on which England played Sri Lanka was a farce.

Time was those sort of pitches were common place in Eng.
If Finch and Warner can adapt to the circumstances they problem isn't the pitch. It's the idea that there is only one way to play cricket and that is to slog your way out of trouble.

Have a look at Morgan's batting against Afghan and tell me the pitches are the problem.
 
India's comfort zone is square turner. Which match had square turners in 2011? Nothing. If anything India generously offered flat bed to England (who tied with India chasing 333) and SA who chased 299 successfully against India. India had Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Dhoni, Kohli, Yuvraj, Raina.Zaheer you think this line up will need "help"? THey didn't benefit in any match

Australia bowling was good. Even when they got bowled out for 151. They reduced NZ 9 wicket down. Their batting was complemented by their bowling. Pitches were flat for everyone. Every team scored 300, 400 easily what seperated them from Australia was Australia's bowling. That is why they won. If they had carried a dud bowling attack like England carries now, they would have been beaten as well.

Starc had a bowling average of 10 last World Cup.
Basically England have a big average attack so purposely designed flat tracks and selected a team of hack sloggers to take bowlers out of the question.

And now having a cry when they can't design wickets to suit their only strategy.

Exactly the same as Aus test cricket under Lehmann except they resorted to cheating rather than adapting.
 
even with the favourable pitches england would not have won. They are not good when pressure is put on them in big events. Pitches are just an excuse.

Exactly the same with football, will walk through qualifications then struggle in major tournaments.
 
Bairstow said they were expecting the same pitches for this WC as for past 2 years.

Too bad for them their one dimensional batting got exposed. This WC perhaps is England's only chance to realistically lift the trophy. But it was coming. And now they find themselves in the bottom of their own hole
 
Fans and non-fans can say whatever, but when hypocritical ex-pros talk crap then it must not feel amazing so he's just showing a bit of frustration mr bairstow, it's good; it shows he cares and how important the game is on sunday
 
See every Ashes series when the weather magically creates pitches that suit England's needs perfectly.

Australia manage to learn world Cup cricket fine. Focus on having a strong team with the ability to adapt rather than designing a team on the dream that you will get perfect batting conditions every time and score 400.
Lool at Morgan's batting stance against Afghan and tell me that England haven't lost sight of basic batting principles.

Cricket is a centuries old game. The basic fundamentals are what they are for a reason. Finch and Warner put on a century opening stance, the wicket was hardly unreasonable for batsmen yet little Johnny is crying to the media that the conditions were unfair.

Some of the 2015 Ashes pitches suited Australia better than England. Does it occur to you that medium paced swing and seam bowlers come up and dominate because of the wickets, not the other way round?

England have become #1 in ODIs playing all over the world. What was the series result in Australia? Did ACB make wickets to suit England?

Finch and Warner had a ton of luck, England beat their bats so many times.

I agree about Bairstow the sook.
 
Of all the pitches that England have played on, the only one where they might have just cause for concern was the one against Sri Lanka at Headingley. It was slow and dry, which was not conducive for batting. England predictably couldn't build an innings and bat properly. It's no coincidence that they capitulated once Root got out. There's no excuse for not being able to chase 230, absolutely none.

That Lord's wicket the other day was the quintessential English wicket: damp in the morning but flattening out gradually. England don't possess the technical fortitude to bat against high-skilled fast bowling. England have no business claiming to be the best in the world if Root and to some extent Stokes are the only batsmen in their whole squad that can build an innings. It's all predictable failings, and no amount of moaning or whataboutery is going to change that.
 
Stop being a crybaby, Bairstow. Professional sportsmen go through this. You are not alone.
 
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Some of the 2015 Ashes pitches suited Australia better than England. Does it occur to you that medium paced swing and seam bowlers come up and dominate because of the wickets, not the other way round?

England have become #1 in ODIs playing all over the world. What was the series result in Australia? Did ACB make wickets to suit England?

Finch and Warner had a ton of luck, England beat their bats so many times.

I agree about Bairstow the sook.

Nothing to do with luck. English seamers didn't bowl the right length on that wicket. Starc and behrendorff simply used the conditions better.
 
So morgan batting against Afghanistan was fluke? I don't think so, they cannot absorb pressure except Root & stokes. Root is an anchor to the team and stokes at the other end score runs quickly. I hope roy come back in next match.
 
England lost to Pakistan on a batting belter. They lost to Australia on a pitch where Australia scored 285/7. They even lost a warm-up game to Australia on a pitch where Australia scored 297/9.

How are pitches the problem here?
 
See every Ashes series when the weather magically creates pitches that suit England's needs perfectly.

Australia manage to learn world Cup cricket fine. Focus on having a strong team with the ability to adapt rather than designing a team on the dream that you will get perfect batting conditions every time and score 400.
Lool at Morgan's batting stance against Afghan and tell me that England haven't lost sight of basic batting principles.

Cricket is a centuries old game. The basic fundamentals are what they are for a reason. Finch and Warner put on a century opening stance, the wicket was hardly unreasonable for batsmen yet little Johnny is crying to the media that the conditions were unfair.

Well put
 
They were for Australia in 2015.

That's not my point.

What cant England adapt? You say they are a elite team . So why can't they adapt?

They just arent as good as you think. Your basically admitting if it isnt a flat track they cant win.
 
England got exposed. They are only good when pitch is flat. They couldn't even beat West Indies in West Indies (series was 2-2).

There are only three elite teams currently - India, NZ, and Australia.
 
India's comfort zone is square turner. Which match had square turners in 2011? Nothing. If anything India generously offered flat bed to England (who tied with India chasing 333) and SA who chased 299 successfully against India. India had Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Dhoni, Kohli, Yuvraj, Raina.Zaheer you think this line up will need "help"? THey didn't benefit in any match

Back then, India's comfort-zone were flat pitches without excessive bounce and turners. That Indian team was not an all-conditions force like the team of today. A few months after winning the World Cup, they went to England didn't win a single ODI if I recall correctly, and England had a pretty average team back then.

In fact, even in the 2011 World Cup, India played plenty of average cricket but they were able to bail themselves out because the conditions suited them better than other teams. The quarterfinal vs Australia was definitely a turning wicket - India bowled over 35 overs of spin and even the likes of D. Hussey were bowling like specialist spinners. The pitch was clearly designed to ensure that India and Pakistan meet in the semifinal.

The fact that India was able to use Yuvraj as a specialist spinner throughout the tournament shows how favourable the conditions were for them. Yuvraj would have been cannon-fodder had ICC decided to take the "neutral pitches" route that they are obsessing with this time around.

With bowlers like Munaf, Nehra and Yuvraj, India didn't have much of a chance of winning the World Cup without pitches tailored for their strengths.

Australia bowling was good. Even when they got bowled out for 151. They reduced NZ 9 wicket down. Their batting was complemented by their bowling. Pitches were flat for everyone. Every team scored 300, 400 easily what seperated them from Australia was Australia's bowling. That is why they won. If they had carried a dud bowling attack like England carries now, they would have been beaten as well.

Australia's batting was tailor-made for those flat conditions. It suited them better than any team and they also had the firepower in the bowling department. The only time they were exposed to swing and seam was in Auckland, and they had a horror collapse where they lost 8 wickets for 20 odd runs. The likes of Warner, Finch, Maxwell and Watson are not exactly pioneers of playing swing and seam, and if they were exposed to such conditions in that World Cup, they would have been tested more. However, every single pitch that they played on at home was to their preference.

Again, the reason(s) are unimportant. The point is that they had home advantage that this English team has not had so far.
 
That's not my point.

What cant England adapt? You say they are a elite team . So why can't they adapt?

They just arent as good as you think. Your basically admitting if it isnt a flat track they cant win.

They should adapt and should have adapted better, but they have not been given the home advantage that Australia and India got in the previous editions.
 
Time was those sort of pitches were common place in Eng.
If Finch and Warner can adapt to the circumstances they problem isn't the pitch. It's the idea that there is only one way to play cricket and that is to slog your way out of trouble.

Have a look at Morgan's batting against Afghan and tell me the pitches are the problem.

I agree with you that England should adapt better. I also think Morgan has been a disgrace in this World Cup and has shown no responsibility at all apart from slogging his way to a 140 against Afghanistan. The shot that he played against Australia was very irresponsible. But, England have played on a certain type of pitches at home that have been taken away from them in this World Cup. That didn't happen to the home teams in the previous two editions. England's incompetence so far is independent of their complain that they have had no home advantage in this World Cup.
 
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I agree with you that England should adapt better. I also think Morgan has been a disgrace in this World Cup and has shown no responsibility at all apart from slogging his way to a 140 against Afghanistan. The shot that he played against Australia was very irresponsible. But, England have played on a certain type of pitches at home that have been taken away from them in this World Cup. That didn't happen to the home teams in the previous two editions. England's incompetence so far is independent of their complain that they have had no home advantage in this World Cup.

Because Australia and India didn't deliberately doctor wickets to suit one style of play before their world cup.
These wickets are normal English wickets.
 
Some of the 2015 Ashes pitches suited Australia better than England. Does it occur to you that medium paced swing and seam bowlers come up and dominate because of the wickets, not the other way round?

England have become #1 in ODIs playing all over the world. What was the series result in Australia? Did ACB make wickets to suit England?

Finch and Warner had a ton of luck, England beat their bats so many times.

I agree about Bairstow the sook.

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Jonny Bairstow has copped a bit of flak for his claims that people want England to fail at this World Cup but I have no problem with his words, as he was being true to himself.

There are two types of sportsmen: Those that don't read the news, and isolate themselves from any kind of media, as they don't want any criticism to affect them, and those that do.

During my England career, Duncan Fletcher was predominantly a non-reader but others like me — recall my three-fingered salute to the press box upon scoring a one-day hundred against India at Lord's — would digest what was being said and take the attitude of: 'I'll bloody well show you.'

This kind of reaction makes Bairstow what he is. He is not calm and reflective. His strength lies in proving people wrong.

Look at when England left him out of the 50-over side and he carried drinks for Alex Hales and Jason Roy. He was constantly trying to show the selectors they had made the wrong call.

He has a somewhat unique way of getting across his rather abrasive views. The way he conducts himself is not everyone's cup of tea, and that probably goes for some players in the current England side.

But I don't have a problem with players speaking their minds. It is better than bland cliches.

People might contest whether his comments ring true but when you are in that kind of team environment, you tend to be emotional.

My job now as a commentator and columnist is to be calm and reflective, yet it is important not to forget what pressure does to you as a player. This was a typical kind of Bairstow reaction.

If this was a new Jonny — showing his nerves and that England's situation was getting to him — then I would be worried. But this is how he has been all his career.

One thing players tend to forget, or simply overlook, is the role the media plays. Its duty is not to be the cheerleader of the team, it is to call things as it sees them. The trouble is, with social media all encompassing, the modern cricketer cannot hide away from such opinions.

Twenty years ago, you would ask the hotel receptionist to send up a bundle of newspapers to your room the next morning after you had got a hundred. Some players used to build themselves up in this way, reading all the nice things said about them.

Equally, a low score would be followed by an instruction to keep the radio off on the way to the ground, while the TV would be a no-go as you would not want to see your shot again. These days you cannot get away from something popping up on your phone.

We had a saying in the dressing room: 'You only win if you win' — you can only silence people by being successful on the field. Pundits will still pick apart your performances, but less so than after defeats.

Eoin Morgan's press conference after Australia contained a few sharp responses to questions. If England lift the World Cup, it will be remembered as him being cool, similar to Jonny's words being Jonny at his best.

If they get knocked out, it will be taken as the pressure getting to them. Because it is a World Cup, everything is analysed.

Take Kevin Pietersen's provocative tweets about Morgan's batting against Mitchell Starc this week. Any top-level cricketer would have recognised from the footage shown that Morgan was a little bit leg-side of the ball when facing the Australian left-armer.

One, he was trying to open up the off-side and two, four years ago he was concussed by the bloke. Starc was bowling at a rapid pace, too.

On commentary, I would have said something like: 'Starc will feel in the game here. Australia will like what they see.'

Kevin being Kevin went one stage further and said: 'He's scared.'

The worst thing you can call an international batsman is scared. That would have hurt the team and Morgan himself when it was put to him in the press conference.

Not that I think it will affect him. Not much does.

If anything, Jonny and Eoin are the microcosm of how I want this England team to be. Under pressure, they need to be just as they have been over the last four years. There should be no self-doubt, starting against India at Edgbaston.

This team has won lots of away series in different conditions. They are not one-dimensional. It is not, as some people are saying, that they have been caught out. It is that they have not adapted as well recently.

They have been a bit reactive and it is important not to be so, not to get caught up in the fact that Pakistan beat New Zealand on a pitch that spun square. This pitch is fresh, which means adjusting accordingly.

India and Australia have realised that this has become a slightly old-fashioned World Cup, where a score of 250-280 will do nicely. That is a thing England have to be discussing.

In general, their mood is to go hard but Morgan and Trevor Bayliss have to work out whether they have the players to do so.

If they do, they should be true to themselves: even when Bairstow and Roy are at their most devastating, they are never reckless, and at times they have replicated the slower starts of India and Australia.

With regard to Saturday's call on whether Roy will play, I would eliminate any risk.

Yes, it is a crucial game, and people will say that is a reason for him to be recalled come what may, but if he pulls a hamstring early in the contest, that is one of your main batsmen down.

The decision is simple. Ask the medical staff: 'Is he fit? Has his tear healed? Yes or no.' If they say it is a risk, I would err on the conservative route because, with international rules now precluding runners for batsmen, it could mean England operating with 10 men from 11.30am and that could be disastrous.

England are doing it the hard way now. They will probably have to beat India twice to go on and win the World Cup.

One reason I believe they can beat India is because despite the Indians' form so far, and their comfort in playing the old-fashioned style of ODI cricket, such adaptability should not be confused with an ability to play a different way.

I am not sure they can go up if England do raise the bar in terms of a batting total.

That, plus the facts that India's batsmen did not particularly play the Afghanistan spinners well and England's recent statistics versus spin are excellent, is why I think they are vulnerable.

It must not be forgotten that Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma and MS Dhoni are three of the best players in ODI history but the loss of Shikhar Dhawan to injury, and moving of KL Rahul to open, has left a hole at No 4. This is one of the areas to be exploited.

When batting, England have to target India's fifth bowler in Hardik Pandya. If it is a spinning pitch, he cannot be allowed to bowl his 10 overs for 40-50 runs. He has to 'go'.

Most of all, though, England have to be as natural as they have proved on their rise in limited-overs cricket.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...irstow-wouldnt-Bairstow-didnt-speak-mind.html
 
Both India and Australia benefited from favorable pitches when they hosted the World Cup, but ICC suddenly decided to act neutral with the pitches when it was England’s time to host the World Cup. They have every right to be aggrieved.

Australia don’t need home advantage to win world cups. Even India don’t. They are genuinely teams worthy of respect. Regardless of who you are, if you need flat tracks that destroy the balance between bat and ball to win a wc, you are not true champions.
 
Back then, India's comfort-zone were flat pitches without excessive bounce and turners. That Indian team was not an all-conditions force like the team of today. A few months after winning the World Cup, they went to England didn't win a single ODI if I recall correctly, and England had a pretty average team back then.

In fact, even in the 2011 World Cup, India played plenty of average cricket but they were able to bail themselves out because the conditions suited them better than other teams. The quarterfinal vs Australia was definitely a turning wicket - India bowled over 35 overs of spin and even the likes of D. Hussey were bowling like specialist spinners. The pitch was clearly designed to ensure that India and Pakistan meet in the semifinal.

The fact that India was able to use Yuvraj as a specialist spinner throughout the tournament shows how favourable the conditions were for them. Yuvraj would have been cannon-fodder had ICC decided to take the "neutral pitches" route that they are obsessing with this time around.

With bowlers like Munaf, Nehra and Yuvraj, India didn't have much of a chance of winning the World Cup without pitches tailored for their strengths.



Australia's batting was tailor-made for those flat conditions. It suited them better than any team and they also had the firepower in the bowling department. The only time they were exposed to swing and seam was in Auckland, and they had a horror collapse where they lost 8 wickets for 20 odd runs. The likes of Warner, Finch, Maxwell and Watson are not exactly pioneers of playing swing and seam, and if they were exposed to such conditions in that World Cup, they would have been tested more. However, every single pitch that they played on at home was to their preference.

Again, the reason(s) are unimportant. The point is that they had home advantage that this English team has not had so far.

Pitches were not tailor made for either India's or Australia 's home world cups. Those were just normal Indian and Australian pitches . But those world cups were much fairer to other teams because of the number of day night matches. D/N matches reduce the influence of toss. India had to bowl second against all of England, SA and Pakistan. Because of dew , the ball was pinging off the bat in the second innings and our bowlers couldn't find grip in the surfaces. In this world cup, it's less fair in that - because almost all matches are day matches, batting first has been a massive advantage and chasing has been a nightmare for most teams. Nobody forced England to chase against either Pakistan or Australia. That was completely on Morgan.

ICC actually does not control pitches a lot according to a lot of reputed cricket journalists. The real reason for the wickets has been the weather. That Lords pitch was more of a traditional English wicket ! Australia adapted to that wicket despite rarely playing on such wickets whole England could not adapt to their own conditions. And last but not least, England lost to Pakistan on a pitch that was the flattest of the lot where Pakistan of all teams scored 340+ and Bairstow thinks it was not flat enough. There are absolutely no excuses for England's performances until now and pitches are certainly not the problem.
 
Australia don’t need home advantage to win world cups. Even India don’t. They are genuinely teams worthy of respect. Regardless of who you are, if you need flat tracks that destroy the balance between bat and ball to win a wc, you are not true champions.

Every team needs favorable conditions. That is why Australia didn’t win in 2011 and India didn’t win in 2015.
 
Pitches were not tailor made for either India's or Australia 's home world cups. Those were just normal Indian and Australian pitches . But those world cups were much fairer to other teams because of the number of day night matches. D/N matches reduce the influence of toss. India had to bowl second against all of England, SA and Pakistan. Because of dew , the ball was pinging off the bat in the second innings and our bowlers couldn't find grip in the surfaces. In this world cup, it's less fair in that - because almost all matches are day matches, batting first has been a massive advantage and chasing has been a nightmare for most teams. Nobody forced England to chase against either Pakistan or Australia. That was completely on Morgan.

ICC actually does not control pitches a lot according to a lot of reputed cricket journalists. The real reason for the wickets has been the weather. That Lords pitch was more of a traditional English wicket ! Australia adapted to that wicket despite rarely playing on such wickets whole England could not adapt to their own conditions. And last but not least, England lost to Pakistan on a pitch that was the flattest of the lot where Pakistan of all teams scored 340+ and Bairstow thinks it was not flat enough. There are absolutely no excuses for England's performances until now and pitches are certainly not the problem.

You are right. They were normal Indian and Australian wickets, but the farmer pitch that England got for the Sri Lanka match or the one they got in the Champions Trophy semifinal was not a typical English pitch.
 
Not a Bairstow fan personally, and I know from the local grapevine that he is just as much of an arrogant pug in real life as he appears to be in the media - but I quite enjoyed this media statement. At least he is speaking from the heart and saying what he truly thinks, as opposed to just regurgitating the usual inoffensive PR-friendly nonsense that we see from most of his peers.
 
No answer [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] ?

2009 last test match.
The freak spinning wickets in 2013 because Aus had a spin weakness and England had Swann.

The complete roads that England have played in ODIs in for years.

You can say what you want but England getting exposed right now.
 
Fired up Bairstow delighted with match-winning century against India

With a crucial win and fierce hundred behind him, Jonny Bairstow was able to smile at suggestions that he needs fire in his belly to produce his best cricket.
England always said that redhead Paul Collingwood gave the side ‘a bit of ginger’ they needed and Bairstow has shown equal passion about the game on and off the field as the popular all-rounder.
He admitted the past week has been difficult following a spat with Michael Vaughan over comments questioning whether some people are truly behind England in their bid for a first ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup success.
But his mood was eased greatly by an innings of 111 from 109 balls, which featured six sixes, and victory by 31 runs to end India’s unbeaten run in the tournament.
Delighted captain Eoin Morgan said: “Jonny does tend to get fired up, it suits him and I don’t mind if he comes out and plays like that.”
Asked whether he agreed, Bairstow joked: “I’m not saying I want everyone to come out abusing me, not by any means.
“I think there are different ways to look at it. Along the way, people have questioned techniques, conditions and other things. It is important to react to different scenarios and circumstances and work out how you can play your best.
“You go out every time with the intention of scoring a hundred. Sometimes it comes off, sometimes you nick one behind and sometimes the edge goes for four and you’re up and running.”
That was the case at Edgbaston as Bairstow twice inside-edged Mohammed Shami to the fine leg boundary before starting to bring his A-game to the fore – not least against India’s spin attack.
Bairstow said that his comments at a sponsor event had been misinterpreted but insists he has moved on, quoting the old saying about yesterday’s news being today’s fish and chip wrapping.
“It was obvious that over the past couple of weeks we have not played our best cricket,” he said. “This was a game that keeps the World Cup campaign in our own hands rather than needing other people to win.
“I think the application everyone showed with the bat, and the way we started with the ball against India’s dangerous opening batters was outstanding.”
England’s success was founded on a stand of 160 in 23 overs between Bairstow and Jason Roy, their ninth three-figure first wicket stand in only 30 matches opening together, and the best by any pair in the World Cup so far.
“It was a difficult start with the way their seamers bowled,” Bairstow admitted. “The way we played spin, which has been one of India’s strengths in the middle overs, wasn’t calculated but just came about and we built confidence there from the way Jason started.
“Jason has been frustrated with the setback to his hamstring. He was very relaxed, in good touch and it was great to be back out there with him.”
Victory for England in their final group game against New Zealand at Chester-le-Street on Wednesday will guarantee a place in the semi-finals and with Roy expected to recover from a bruised shoulder the opening partnership will continue.
 
Every England related thread is filled with embarrassing posts by posters who jumped the gun. Too much talk of England’s so-called inability to handle pressure which has turned out to be nonsense.
 
Every England related thread is filled with embarrassing posts by posters who jumped the gun. Too much talk of England’s so-called inability to handle pressure which has turned out to be nonsense.

There was no pressure today, just flukes. Had India reviewed Roy's caught behind, then England would've been under pressure. Plus England's task was made easy given the lack of intent by India.
 
2009 last test match.
The freak spinning wickets in 2013 because Aus had a spin weakness and England had Swann.

The complete roads that England have played in ODIs in for years.

You can say what you want but England getting exposed right now.

Swann could spin it on glass. If they were deliberately making bunsens then Monty would have bowled with him in tandem but that never happened.

The wickets are nearly always the same year after year. Lords is a road, Headingley was green with variable bounce but is flat too these days. OT takes a bit of spin, TB is a seamer and Oval has a bit of bounce early on and breaks up later. Southampton is dry and crusty. Some wickets in this tournament are different to the above because we got a month of rain in four days.
 
If Jonny Bairstow was looking for reassurance that English crowds really do want the side to do well, he came to the right place.

Of all the major international grounds, Edgbaston, on the outskirts of rejuvenated Birmingham, has become the most synonymous with support for the home side.

Fans turn out in force, lubricate their larynxes and loyally shout on England from the first ball to the last. No more so than in the bustling Hollies Stand, the huge expanse named after the Warwickshire wrist-spin bowler who famously bowled the great Don Bradman for a second-ball duck on his last Test innings.

And it was at this famous ground that Bairstow got his and England’s ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup back on track.

Temporarily displaced from the top four by Pakistan following their nail-biting victory over Afghanistan – knock out cricket started 10 days early for England.

And with the pressure of their place at a home World Cup at stake, Bairstow and his team-mates struck fours or sixes aplenty to set India what proved a forlorn chase of 338 to win.

In a match described as England’s most significant 50-over fixture since the 1992 World Cup final – Bairstow and England stepped up and delivered.

True, England have contested ICC Champions Trophy finals in the 27 years since, and been involved in the knockout stages of World Cups themselves. But they needed victory this time to ensure that qualification for the semi-finals of a tournament on home soil remained in their own hands.

The oppressive, burning heat of Saturday gave way to something much more pleasant, the sun still bright but fanned by a cooling breeze.

One corner towards the City End was imaginatively turned into Edgbaston Beach, perhaps the first time that any part of Birmingham has been conceived as a resort destination even in fun.

The concrete here was painted yellow and filled with deckchairs for spectators to lie back, slip off their sandals and watch the action on a big screen. Meanwhile, on the world music stage nearby, guitarists and drummers worked up tunes as a dreamy backdrop. Lazy, cool and happening, this was Glastonbury without the tents.

And Bairstow, having queried last week whether it was there, must have felt the love. Or the respect, at least. When he completed his first century of the tournament, and eighth in ODIs, he received not only a standing ovation from the England contingent, but admiring applause from the India fans as well.

Teams evolve over the years. One the most significant England changes in the cycle since the 2015 World Cup has seen Bairstow secure a regular place. His red ball form made him too good to leave out, and when opportunity arrived he made sure he seized it.

Of England players to construct at least 20 innings, he has a better average (47.10) of all except Joe Root and Jonathan Trott. Just as impressive, his strike rate of 105.21 ranks third behind the brilliant pair of Jos Buttler and Jason Roy.

While the group stage is proving more hair-raising than England would have liked, at least all of their first-choice top six have found form. Bairstow became the fifth of them to reach three figures, equalling South Africa’s achievement in 2015 when David Miller, JP Duminy, AB de Villiers, Faf du Plessis and Hashim Amla all raised their bats.

While Ben Stokes is still to record a hundred, his innings of 79 gave impetus at the death this time and represented his fourth score beyond 70 of the tournament. Those late runs effectively made the difference.

Losses to Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia left England with the equivalent of four cup finals if they are to lift the trophy for the first time. One down, three to go.
 
Bairstow to be fair to him has now walked the walk. A match-winning century followed by a no-holds-barred fearless performance in the field to save stacks of vital runs.
 
He has responded in empathetic fashion. Another brilliant innings under pressure.
 
Another hundred! Consecutive tons.

Hopefully this one is match-winning as well.

Lesson is to wind up/annoy Bairstow and he plays better.
 
You have to give him credit. He talked the talk and walked the walk. Fabulous player.
 
His comment epitomizes England cricket team. Richly talented but as brittle as snowflake. Slightest of pressure and they are crumbling already, wrong sense of entitlment of how ICC should've prepared the pitches for them.

Whatever happens on sunday, this team can never lift the cup until they improve their attitude. Learn something from the Aussies

This article also proves that England are FTBs.

The series between Pakistan before the WC was false hope it seems!

All I hear is whining and whingeing. They look mentally finished already. I mean seriously? All that puffed up ranking fervour is now history. You cant make flat pitches t home, puff up your rankings then fail on pitches that do a little bit..that is a fake team not a real team. The aussies and India are winning on these same pitches..why? Why arent England? because they have gambled and have now come short..that bowling performance against us and their batting against sri lanka was beyond pathetic.

I just feel they hype themselves up to the hilt then when they feel the pressure they crumble..they lack real mental strength. i just cant see them winning this cup. Kohli will eat this team alive. I just see more resiliance in other sides..

Frankly speaking I am surprised England's #1 fan has not blamed two English players of Pakistani descent for their failings.

England are just not tournament material. England fluked it to the WorldT20 win thanks to KP, and collapsed in the CT13 final, destroyed by 4 6s in a World T20 final, 3 times runners up in World Cups.

The only bad luck England have are the glory supporters who support England just because of false rankings. When glory fans call Jofra world class after 3 games, you know where the problem lies.

False rankings, false flag, false hope.

Other teams can cry about weather and abandoned matches.... England didn't even get that. They were just beaten by everyone and their aunt and shown their real worth :)))

even with the favourable pitches england would not have won. They are not good when pressure is put on them in big events. Pitches are just an excuse.

England's #1 ranking was a clear cut fluke if they are expected to perform on flat roads exclusively. Remember 4 years in the making of this fluke ranking, and a bowler dubbed world class after 3 ODI internationals was going to shock the world, so much so England were demoted to #2 during the group stages of the WC!

Either rankings are ridiculous, or England are overated, perhaps both.

Thoughts are with all of you in these tough times.

Learn to respect teams that work hard over the years and strive to achieve something, instead of waddling into the World Cup as a 6th ranked team hoping for miracles.
 
Thoughts are with all of you in these tough times.

Learn to respect teams that work hard over the years and strive to achieve something, instead of waddling into the World Cup as a 6th ranked team hoping for miracles.

It seems you seem more happy that your right than the fact England are winning. Really shouldn't be the case .
 
Thoughts are with all of you in these tough times.

Learn to respect teams that work hard over the years and strive to achieve something, instead of waddling into the World Cup as a 6th ranked team hoping for miracles.

Your fluke prediction is not over yet, which is laughable considering all your other predictions for this WC have failed miserably.

Your second favourite team looks like it is going to reach the final, but come Sunday, and lets see if New Zealand have an off day.

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Your fluke prediction is not over yet, which is laughable considering all your other predictions for this WC have failed miserably.

Your second favourite team looks like it is going to reach the final, but come Sunday, and lets see if New Zealand have an off day.

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There was nothing fluke about the expectation that England are favorites to win the World Cup. Success is a process and their hard work over the past 4 years was going to pay-off eventually. The problem is that our fans don’t value hard work - they think success is all about showing up on the day and hoping for miracles and magic.

What they fail to understand is that the probability of showing up on a given day increases with proper preparation.
 
There was nothing fluke about the expectation that England are favorites to win the World Cup. Success is a process and their hard work over the past 4 years was going to pay-off eventually. The problem is that our fans don’t value hard work - they think success is all about showing up on the day and hoping for miracles and magic.

What they fail to understand is that the probability of showing up on a given day increases with proper preparation.

Your prediction was a fluke indeed. For one, you do not even think Morgan changed the mentality of the England team in the past 4 years. You refused to accept his influence on the team as a leader. Your entire First/Second favourite team for this WC was based on ranking - nothing else.

As for miracles and magic - Pakistan performed better than expected, joint 4th in points is not bad for a mediocre team.
 
Your prediction was a fluke indeed. For one, you do not even think Morgan changed the mentality of the England team in the past 4 years. You refused to accept his influence on the team as a leader. Your entire First/Second favourite team for this WC was based on ranking - nothing else.

As for miracles and magic - Pakistan performed better than expected, joint 4th in points is not bad for a mediocre team.

Morgan is an excellent captain but if you think England is great because of him, you don’t understand cricket.

No captain can turn an average side into world beaters. There was a reason why England moved on from as many as 9 players after the last World Cup.

England transformed because they picked the right players, not because Morgan is captain.
 
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