Peoples' obsession with inconsistency

[Pakpak]

In normal sports, or in cricket among the elite nations the route to selection is always:

a) You show consistency over a sustained period of time
b) You demonstrate that you can do well under pressure
c) If you have been picked before then you demonstrate your weaknesses have been worked on

Why are our people obsessed with picking and calling for recalls everytime after one game?

-Azam Khan, has no FC experience, has no proof he can be consistent in more than 3 games in a row and people are clamouring for his selection literally after the first game
-Aamir Yamin, its his first good game in the PSL, and what do you know his thread is bumped with people wanting him back


There are many more examples. I bet if Shehzad makes a century people will call for his return too. Afridi, who is 45 and has failed every single game, people were saying how he's better than most of our players and can be back in another life. My point is why not wait for the tournament to be over before wanting some players to be included? TO see if theyre actually consistent?

If our fans have no common sense why do we expect our national setup to have any?

 

[gazza619]

Because people are bored, and the idea of a comeback kid feeds the fantasies of a hungry brain.

 

[AdamM97]

Because we’re desperate for better players.

Truthfully, Pakistan only has about 2-3 world class players in the team.

 

[Pakpak]

Because we’re desperate for better players.

Truthfully, Pakistan only has about 2-3 world class players in the team.

How is selecting someone who has done good in the first game and has half a month of games left to go, giving us better players?

 

[AdamM97]

How is selecting someone who has done good in the first game and has half a month of games left to go, giving us better players?

What I meant is that Pakistani fans delude themselves into believing that a player is world class or has the potential to be one simply because we don’t have many already. We haven’t seen a strong Pakistani team for a while and fans are getting really desperate.

 

[sweep_shot]

Fans are fans.

Selectors need to show common sense and select the right players.

 

[Pakpak]

What I meant is that Pakistani fans delude themselves into believing that a player is world class or has the potential to be one simply because we don’t have many already. We haven’t seen a strong Pakistani team for a while and fans are getting really desperate.

Oh fair enough. I understand. Its pretty sad though and gives us more failures.

 

[minamino]

The OP wants Zaman back in Pakistan team who is probably the most inconsistent batsmen in Pakistan history and he's questioning others.

 

[Pakpak]

The OP wants Zaman back in Pakistan team who is probably the most inconsistent batsmen in Pakistan history and he's questioning others.

Please point out where I want Zaman back. Now if you're talking about Zaman vs 40 year old fat has beens then yes.

I was praising Haider Ali as an option the other day as an opener. And I'd take him over Zaman who's been a failure this PSL.

 

[Pakpak]

The OP wants Zaman back in Pakistan team who is probably the most inconsistent batsmen in Pakistan history and he's questioning others.

My recent 2 posts this entire year about Zaman. Where does it say I want him back? Infact I am bashing him if anything

Fakhar Zaman, CA Lynn, Mohammad Hafeez, BR Dunk†, Sohail Akhtar*, Muhammad Faizan, SR Patel, S Prasanna, Dilbar Hussain, Salman Irshad, Shaheen Shah Afridi

Other than Shaheen this is a horrific and mind numbingly boring line up.

Such a shame.

I like him a lot but sadly you're right. He has regressed a lot. A lot of these 'superstars' thought winning one trophy, that's it. Its enough. Its never enough. That is the difference between them and someone like Babar Azam in our team, who is hungry every single game, every single tournament. While these morons can't be bothered at all anymore.

 

[shah_1]

Aamir Yamin did well in this FC season and national T20 cup, it is just not one game. His first class batting average is 39.44

 

[Pakpak]

Aamir Yamin did well in this FC season and national T20 cup, it is just not one game. His first class batting average is 39.44

I stand corrected on him. But I still stand by the rest of the post.

 

[shah_1]

I stand corrected on him. But I still stand by the rest of the post.

I agree with your post

The reason for fans being so desperate is because of poor batting talent pool available . Hopefully we can see the best of young talent in Pakistan Cup 2020.

We need at least two batsmen supporting babar Azam in order to compete with the best teams otherwise we will always be lowly ranked team

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] is the same guy who comes up with excuses to discard Kamran Akmal's consistency in the last 2 years in domestic tournaments, at the highest level.

Not only that, the most successful PSL batter. 50% of centuries in the PSL scored by him.

One of the best batsmen in all formats of domestic tournaments last 2 years.

...YET, he will come up with excuses and justifications, and bring up stats from history. Which are irrelevant today and do not represent current form + improvements.


So yes, OP will apply "consistency" argument only to the selected players he likes/dislikes.

 

[Pakpak]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] is the same guy who comes up with excuses to discard Kamran Akmal's consistency in the last 2 years in domestic tournaments, at the highest level.

Not only that, the most successful PSL batter. 50% of centuries in the PSL scored by him.

One of the best batsmen in all formats of domestic tournaments last 2 years.

...YET, he will come up with excuses and justifications, and bring up stats from history. Which are irrelevant today and do not represent current form + improvements.


So yes, OP will apply "consistency" argument only to the selected players he likes/dislikes.

Which players have I applied it selected to? I said I liked Fakhar but I called him a *****. Its literally there quoted 2 posts above you. So either provide evidence of my biasness or stop embarrassing yourself like minamino.

Also I mentioned in my second post that repeated failures on the international level shouldn't be selected. That means Kamran, a failed 40 year old, who averages and has a SR less than Sarfraz in T20. And who failed in 3/4 innings in his last series. Maybe that's why he asks for 3 chances, as he knows he'll fail more than 2 times. He knows he's a failure even if you don't.

 

[ManFan]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] is the same guy who comes up with excuses to discard Kamran Akmal's consistency in the last 2 years in domestic tournaments, at the highest level.

Not only that, the most successful PSL batter. 50% of centuries in the PSL scored by him.

One of the best batsmen in all formats of domestic tournaments last 2 years.

...YET, he will come up with excuses and justifications, and bring up stats from history. Which are irrelevant today and do not represent current form + improvements.


So yes, OP will apply "consistency" argument only to the selected players he likes/dislikes.

Do you believe he was in better form three years ago or today?

Because he WAS selected three years ago based off his PSL performances and failed.

Not to mention his atrocious wicket-keeping in every facet of the game.

 

[Hawkeye]

Also I mentioned in my second post that repeated failures on the international level shouldn't be selected.

That's why your argument shouldn't be taken seriously. You go against your own argument of consistency/inconsistency, and are now being clever, inventing "exceptions" to the argument.

It's a free world.

Do you believe he was in better form three years ago or today?

Because he WAS selected three years ago based off his PSL performances and failed.

Not to mention his atrocious wicket-keeping in every facet of the game.

This has been discussed quite a lot. A few matches post comeback do not mean anything.

As I've repeatedly said in other threads, the case for Kami's selection isn't there because he's world class.

He merits selection because others are 10x worse than him.

Rizwan and Sarfraz are atrocious in T20 cricket. They do not have the ability to begin with. With Kami, there at least is a gamble that he will fire at the top.

Others can't do that.

So, I know who I will take my chances with.

Sadly, I cannot make Jos Buttler play for PAK. We can only choose from the available options.

 

[Pakpak]

That's why your argument shouldn't be taken seriously. You go against your own argument of consistency/inconsistency, and are now being clever, inventing "exceptions" to the argument.

It's a free world.




This has been discussed quite a lot. A few matches post comeback do not mean anything.

As I've repeatedly said in other threads, the case for Kami's selection isn't there because he's world class.

He merits selection because others are 10x worse than him.

Rizwan and Sarfraz are atrocious in T20 cricket. They do not have the ability to begin with. With Kami, there at least is a gamble that he will fire at the top.

Others can't do that.

So, I know who I will take my chances with.

Sadly, I cannot make Jos Buttler play for PAK. We can only choose from the available options.

Add to this, not sure what you are on about. You said I only apply my arguments to players who I like or dislike.

I am sure you'll provide me with evidence where I do so. Infact the one player I like, Fakhar, I have ended up calling a *****. Unlike you I don't hero worship.

Waste someone else's time.

 

[DRsohail]

Kamran is proven failure in internationals and proven performer in domestic. The consistency thing apply to youngsters who are going to be selected for the first time.

 

[Pakpak]

Kamran is proven failure in internationals and proven performer in domestic. The consistency thing apply to youngsters who are going to be selected for the first time.

I like Fakhar and don't like Kamran. But I want both of them dropped. According to Hawkeye there is some inconsistency in that view.

Its time we looked beyond 40 year old has beens who have failed at the top level already.

 

[Titan24]

Some valid points raised but If you would want to make team right now, who will be in that team based upon consistent performances?

Not many players have stood up in recent times in terms of consistent performances so I guess that is why fans get excited easily.

 

[ManFan]

That's why your argument shouldn't be taken seriously. You go against your own argument of consistency/inconsistency, and are now being clever, inventing "exceptions" to the argument.

It's a free world.




This has been discussed quite a lot. A few matches post comeback do not mean anything.

As I've repeatedly said in other threads, the case for Kami's selection isn't there because he's world class.

He merits selection because others are 10x worse than him.

Rizwan and Sarfraz are atrocious in T20 cricket. They do not have the ability to begin with. With Kami, there at least is a gamble that he will fire at the top.

Others can't do that.

So, I know who I will take my chances with.

Sadly, I cannot make Jos Buttler play for PAK. We can only choose from the available options.

We can only judge him based on the performances he gave.

The excuse of “no better option” was used for Sarfraz, which proved disastrous for Pakistan in the long run.

It is easier to build strong men than repair broken ones. If you have an old horse on one side and a colt on the other, which would you choose for the long run? (Lakers’ decision on Kobe and Shaq in 2004 is another analogy).

Your support stems from Kamran “might” fire. Perhaps he will in AUS but it is a dangerous risk and Kamran carries with him too much baggage. He has failed consistently at the top level.

The truth is that it is the dearth of a hard-hitting Pakistani batsman that lends the supporters of Kamran (who viewed his 2006 century and hope for its replay in his every ensuing innings) a voice for his support.

But Kamran is 38, the same age as Rafatullah Mohammad was 5 years ago and we all know how that ventured.