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"Phatta" the favorite Indian term, flat wickets for this World Cup?

Stewie

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The 2023 WC opener ended up being a one-sided rout and while its still not a strong evidence of things to come but do you guys think this wicket was a road? Can we expect more of the same?
 
England just been schooled and had their backsides whooped by NZ, not sure if Pitch had anything to do with it, if Brooks et al left their brains in the hotel locker. Look at dismissals of Eng bats, it wasnt the pitch telling them to be heroes and go for glory shots (paraphrasing Sunny G)
 
I think that was some bad bowling by England rather than a flat wicket.

They never went for attack at all.
 
Mahee said:
ICC events can't be held in India...it's a disastrous venue
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Wow, as if cricket is monopoly of White people. Such colonial mentality.

Saw the world cup 2019, rained out most of the matches.

Every country has different challenges and that is the beauty.
 
For the record, take it as you must, but what consitutes a good wicket? It seems to me we all have our own views but I have heard Indians level that criticism on Pakistan all the time that we produce roads. How are Indian wickets any different, as evidenced so far by the first game? Are they spin friendly, offering a lot of turn and bounce to the spinners or do they provide assistance to fast bowlers, do they seam, have bounce and carry? or do they strike a nice balance between bat and ball?

Or perhaps we can say its not the wicket, Englands bowlers just had a bad day or NZ batsmen had a great one. Its all subjective but I guess we can keep on eyes on this thread to see any trends.
 
Stewie said:
For the record, take it as you must, but what consitutes a good wicket? It seems to me we all have our own views but I have heard Indians level that criticism on Pakistan all the time that we produce roads. How are Indian wickets any different, as evidenced so far by the first game? Are they spin friendly, offering a lot of turn and bounce to the spinners or do they provide assistance to fast bowlers, do they seam, have bounce and carry? or do they strike a nice balance between bat and ball?

Or perhaps we can say its not the wicket, Englands bowlers just had a bad day or NZ batsmen had a great one. Its all subjective but I guess we can keep on eyes on this thread to see any trends.
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Pakistan pitch were criticised becouse they produced road in test match not becouse Limited over formats
 
funny how Indian posters were whining about Rawalpindi wickets, and they end up serving the same kind of pitch, that to for a world cup.
 
Stewie said:
your countrymen like to criticize everything Pakistan, bro epecially when Pakistan is the beneficiary. Let us not try to confuse things here.
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Read what was im saying , don't mix formats . All over the world including Pakistani expert were criticised Pakistan test matches pitch becouse they were roads .
 
Devadwal said:
Read what was im saying , don't mix formats . All over the world including Pakistani expert were criticised Pakistan test matches pitch becouse they were roads .
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I think you need to read what I am saying, because I have done plenty of reading of your countrymen on a Pakistani forum, complaining about pitches at home no matter what the format. This happens quite frequently and the truth is its hyprocitical. Its not just just about tests, its about ODIs and T20s. Now when someone even slightly questioned the the type of pitches to expect in the WC in India, you are starting to become all sensitive.
 
I expect as the tournament progresses the pitches will settle a little. They will still be good for batting but maybe not quite as good as this one was.
 
I don't think we should take too much from one game
yes the pitch can get lifeless like it did today but it can also start gripping later on, brining the spinners to the fore
kuldeep, maharaj, wellalage, rashid khan etc will still have their part to play in this wc
 
Not sure why everyone is surprised at England's show. Last 2 years. THey have the second worst Economy Rate. Their bowling was bad even in 2019. It is just that they don't care. Because they believe they can out gun any team with batting and compensate for poor bowling. It did work in 2019 because zero assistance for spinners, very little assistance for seamers barring rained matches. That trade off is backfiring here because spinners come into picture here.

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This wicket was good to bat only for one side :) A team with a much better batting strength failed on the same pitch. A complete rookie outgunned them. That tells us more about the bowling quality than the pitch.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This wicket was good to bat only for one side :) A team with a much better batting strength failed on the same pitch. A complete rookie outgunned them. That tells us more about the bowling quality than the pitch.
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This is the main point which certain fans don't want to see as their agenda can exposed
 
Devadwal said:
This is the main point which certain fans don't want to see as their agenda can exposed
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This gives a snapshot of the quality of English attack in India

In India performance of Current English bowling attack.

Name​
Avge​
Economy​
Rashid​
103​
7.53​
Curran​
61.66​
6.66​
Woakes​
41.12​
6.32​
Wood​
32.80​
7.45​
Moeen​
296​
5.97​
 
The pitch was flat but England didn't help themselves by bowling on both sides of the wicket however New Zealand played each ball on merit.
 
Yeah it's not well balanced right now. Our home ODIs start at 1:30 pm . It can reduce the advantage to chasing sides a bit and make it more competitive. ICC should change all games to 1:30 pm starts.
 
Too early to call.

Especially when one side limped to 280 in 50.

Other thrashed 280 in 36 overs.
 
nish_mate said:
England just been schooled and had their backsides whooped by NZ, not sure if Pitch had anything to do with it, if Brooks et al left their brains in the hotel locker. Look at dismissals of Eng bats, it wasnt the pitch telling them to be heroes and go for glory shots (paraphrasing Sunny G)
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Nothing like that. That is just their level and how they bat. If it comes off then great. If it doesn't, that's how it will appear to be. They are limited flat track bullies.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This gives a snapshot of the quality of English attack in India

In India performance of Current English bowling attack.

Name​
Avge​
Economy​
Rashid​
103​
7.53​
Curran​
61.66​
6.66​
Woakes​
41.12​
6.32​
Wood​
32.80​
7.45​
Moeen​
296​
5.97​
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Sorry is this odi? Wood has done much better than I thought. Last time I saw him in India he got carted. Surprised by 32.

Also what about Archer? Has topkey played in India?

England should go with Gus or topley. Remove woakes who is useless outside England.
 
Lets be honest, Mark Wood was steaming in and it was doing nothing. This is a guy that gets the ball to talk
 
England need to play Topley. Don't know what's the obsession with batting depth. They have Rashid at 9 and Wood at 10, who are as good as any in their positions as batsmen.
Woakes+Curran+Moeen = Too much bits and pieces
 
Major said:
funny how Indian posters were whining about Rawalpindi wickets, and they end up serving the same kind of pitch, that to for a world cup.
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It is actually ICC who is in control of the pitches for any world cup match.
 
So Pakistan didn't even play full over against Netherlands on a phatta wicket .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Flat pitch but No. 1 batsman in the world could only score 5 off 18 against a minnow :ashwin
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Not the point, India keeps producing garbage wickets despite all the money. Pakistan equally prepares absolute roads. One shouldn't blindly defend just becsuse it's your country.... If you love the game then you know bat and ball balance is crucial and flat pans and dustbowls of India are terrible for the games. But Indian public loves sixes and fours of majority of their FTBs so it isn't going to change in India, despite India well capable of producing good sporting wickets
 
Devadwal said:
So Pakistan didn't even play full over against Netherlands on a phatta wicket .
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Pbatta wickets still require batters to have some kind of pacing the innimgs skills as 50 overs is a lot
 
Kriketer said:
Not the point, India keeps producing garbage wickets despite all the money. Pakistan equally prepares absolute roads. One shouldn't blindly defend just becsuse it's your country.... If you love the game then you know bat and ball balance is crucial and flat pans and dustbowls of India are terrible for the games. But Indian public loves sixes and fours of majority of their FTBs so it isn't going to change in India, despite India well capable of producing good sporting wicket
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Garbage wickets where hitting teams like England can't score more than 280. Ok.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Garbage wickets where hitting teams like England can't score more than 280. Ok.
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Again cherry picking performances is not the point. Watching few overs tell you about the pitch and India has a history of producing phatta flat pans. Yes for cricket balance they sure are disappointing and India constantly produce many garbage tracks. Pakistani pitches are equally garbage so don't know why you guys take everything to heart just because name India is mentioned
 
Kriketer said:
Again cherry picking performances is not the point. Watching few overs tell you about the pitch and India has a history of producing phatta flat pans. Yes for cricket balance they sure are disappointing and India constantly produce many garbage tracks. Pakistani pitches are equally garbage so don't know why you guys take everything to heart just because name India is mentioned
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It's actually worse in England in terms of flat pitches but carry on.
 
Kriketer said:
Not the point, India keeps producing garbage wickets despite all the money. Pakistan equally prepares absolute roads. One shouldn't blindly defend just becsuse it's your country.... If you love the game then you know bat and ball balance is crucial and flat pans and dustbowls of India are terrible for the games. But Indian public loves sixes and fours of majority of their FTBs so it isn't going to change in India, despite India well capable of producing good sporting wickets
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You want that slow low crap Bangla pitches? :) This has been the case for a very long time. Just t hat field restriction, 2 new ball made it easier post 2015. LEt us see how many teams post 350 this time.
 
What about slow pitches of Windies or SL? NZ stadias are the size of postage stamps, any shot over 85m and you are in the territory of broken car windshields and windows.

England pitches are absoulte phattas where Eng score 400+ not just against mediocre Indian attacks but also world phamous phast bowlers from Pakistan....
 
He wants to use the same pitch over and over? :) You have to read the pitch and pick your side. New zealand got it spot on. Not that BD didn't get right. They also had 3 good seamers who generated a lot of bounce. Just that NZ batting is vastly superior.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I doubt, In Afghanistan v Pakistan match at chennai, soil will become changed again and track will start supporting massive spin. :D
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Yes possibility as there are so many pitch , it's totally depends on ICC whichever they want to used.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Factually indian pitches are batting friendly. We are yet to see low scoring contest
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All ODi pitches are likely to be flat because 100 over game means extra time for commercials. That is how the world rolls. Who wants to see 51 all out. Having said that India has cheaply bundled out many sides recently in India even with 2nd string 3rd string bowling unit

Last 2 years look at the number of times India cheaply bowled out oppositions. India has a versatile bowling attack who can do well on most tracks even with a hint of assistance.

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In Englandfull strength England was blown away by Bumrah for 108 runs. Most recently Srilanka got skittled for 51 so was pakistan for 128.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
All ODi pitches are likely to be flat because 100 over game means extra time for commercials. That is how the world rolls. Who wants to see 51 all out. Having said that India has cheaply bundled out many sides recently in India even with 2nd string 3rd string bowling unit

Last 2 years look at the number of times India cheaply bowled out oppositions. India has a versatile bowling attack who can do well on most tracks even with a hint of assistance.

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Defending 350+ is not thrilling. I miss those days when teams used to defend 250 and we witnessed great bowling spells
 
If you really want to limit teams from scoring 350 a lot you need good death bowlers and middle over bowlers. It doesn't matter how fast they run away with upfront. Srilanka at one point were heading towards 400. Pakistan pulled it back in the death overs. If they had similar impact bowlers in the middle overs they would have never got 350.
 
FearlessRoar said:
I am talking about this world cup. I blame BCCI , based on their skill set. They have prepared batting friendly pitches.
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BCCI doesn't prepare pitches. ICC. New Delhi pitch is relaid pitch. 230 is average score there. If anything INdia is at their b est in bowler friendly pitches. Only way teams can negate Indian bowling threat is on a flat pitch like Afghanistan did somewhat.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
BCCI doesn't prepare pitches. ICC. New Delhi pitch is relaid pitch. 230 is average score there. If anything INdia is at their b est in bowler friendly pitches. Only way teams can negate Indian bowling threat is on a flat pitch like Afghanistan did somewhat.
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Bharat is the host of this world cup. So, for sure BCCI is taking a little bit advantage of preparing pitches according to their strength of game. It's out of question that BCCI is not intervening
 
FearlessRoar said:
Bharat is the host of this world cup. So, for sure BCCI is taking a little bit advantage of preparing pitches according to their strength of game. It's out of question that BCCI is not intervening
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The problem with this argument is If India bowls well "hey they prepared a pitch to suit their bowling " If India bats well "They prepared a pitch to suit their batting". Fact is almost all countries are familiar with INdian pitches having toured heavily, having been part of IPL. In Hyderabad Warner has played more matches than Kohli. Indian spin unit is strong, pace unit strong, batting top order is good. Only weakness is tail enders on paper. So you cannot prepare a pitch that is unsuitable for pace , unsuitable for spin and also unsuitable for batting.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
The problem with this argument is If India bowls well "hey they prepared a pitch to suit their bowling " If India bats well "They prepared a pitch to suit their batting". Fact is almost all countries are familiar with INdian pitches having toured heavily, having been part of IPL. In Hyderabad Warner has played more matches than Kohli. Indian spin unit is strong, pace unit strong, batting top order is good. Only weakness is tail enders on paper. So you cannot prepare a pitch that is unsuitable for pace , unsuitable for spin and also unsuitable for batting.
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I have just raised concerns over batting friendly pitches. I have no issues , if Bharat's bowling department bowls well.
 
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FearlessRoar said:
I have just raised concerns for batting friendly pitches. I have no issues , if Bharat's bowling department bowls well.
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In 2015 world cup 38 centuries were scored. In 2019 31 centuries were scored. With power play rule, two new ball rules scoring rate has increased. This world cup is no different. Australia also had absolute roads in 2015. England did the same. At least in India you get variety of pitches. Some spin, Some bounce, some slow.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
In 2015 world cup 38 centuries were scored. In 2019 31 centuries were scored. With power play rule, two new ball rules scoring rate has increased. This world cup is no different. Australia also had absolute roads in 2015. England did the same. At least in India you get variety of pitches. Some spin, Some bounce, some slow.
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The pitches usually favoring the batsmen more and more with every passing series. In India, we do have different kind of pitches but I am not sure we have any pitch with great bounce yet. We may see a relatively faster pitch in Bangalore.
 
hassan918 said:
The pitches usually favoring the batsmen more and more with every passing series. In India, we do have different kind of pitches but I am not sure we have any pitch with great bounce yet. We may see a relatively faster pitch in Bangalore.
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Chennai pitch was very bouncy in the NZ vs BD match. Dharamsala traditionally bouncy. Mohali is bouncy. But we have no match there. Wankhede/Chinnaswamy is also bouncy.
 
MenInG said:
Prof has a conspiracy theory!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1712778678244098063
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Bro @MenInG
Sorry the message a lot of these blokes from Pakistan are giving here is that firstly they don’t have much hopes for Pakistan in this World Cup, so much so that all they are interested in is speak negative of BCCI and Bharat day in day out just to create needless controversies and fights between fans across the webs.

It’s time for introspection because I am not sure if they realise that they too are being perceived in a very negative manner and might just be hurting image of their own selves here.

10 teams are playing World Cup.
Only Pakistan seems to have negatives to say about it day in day out. Rest are all minding their business, trying to play some good cricket:
 
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