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The ball touched the arm of Rishab Pant, nothing on the DRS. THe snicko got nothing flat line al together.

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Interestingly, every wicket Pakistan took the broadcaster showed whether the ball was a no ball or not
 
You can clearly see the ball hitting the back edge of the bat and even a blind person can see the ball hitting the arm and yet complete flatline on the snicko. WC 2011 all over again, no accountability on DRS.
 
That was very interesting.

There should have been a bump on Ultra Edge irrespective of where it hit him.
 
Extreme Pace said:
You can clearly see the ball hitting the back edge of the bat and even a blind person can see the ball hitting the arm and yet complete flatline on the snicko. WC 2011 all over again, no accountability on DRS.
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There was no obvious visual contact with the bat, just like there was no obvious issue with the Tendulkar LBW in 2011. Will have to rewatch to see if there looked to be any contact with the arm, admittedly wasn't really looking for it.
 
DRS understands the value of the great Rishabh Pant's wicket which is why it deliberately stopped working at that point.

The big match player, the destructive Rishabh Pant is set now. I look forward to more of :inti as the game progresses.
 
Big time dubious decision there was clearly do deviation , ultra edge even if it is not out there are ripples , the line is never completely flat only when there is a touch/nick you will get big spikes.
 
Indian companies cheated in 2011 against Pakistan and tried to cheat again today
 
Yep, the fact there was no spike whatsoever was very strange.

Never seen ultra edge so flat.

Also, funny how they kept looking for a no ball after every Shaheen wicket and even the no ball he bowled, there was only one replay.
 
Not sure why Rizwan would be that sure if the ball hadn't hit the edge. Regardless, no harm done.
 
Surprised this didn’t get looked into.

The decision was not out based snicko showing a flatline passing the bat yet the same technology showed nothing after the ball brushed the arm.
 
Saj said:
Even with that, you'd expect to see a mark on Ultra Edge, but it was a flat line.
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That was the confusing bit and tbh a bit worrying. People say the Tendulkar decision in the 2011 was us being paranoid, well, were we based on this
 
Major said:
Interestingly, every wicket Pakistan took the broadcaster showed whether the ball was a no ball or not
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And there was no such focus on the front foot when India were taking their wickets... oh wait.
 
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was obvious it hit something, most likely arm tho.
 
Bewal Express said:
As stalin said its not how people voted that counts, its the guy counting them that matters
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Great analogy. There is absolute no accountability and visibility on how is DRS used, its super easy to manipulate tech like this. We are just supposed to accept it, bonkers.
 
Extreme Pace said:
Great analogy. There is absolute no accountability and visibility on how is DRS used, its super easy to manipulate tech like this. We are just supposed to accept it, bonkers.
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Thankfully he didn't hit it and it made no material difference to the match. But the ICC needs to look at it very carefully
 
The concern is though, if it had hit the glove or bat, it would have not shown on Ultra Edge.
 
There should be an official communication on what happened or Pakistan should launch a complain.
Either it's a mistake or India at it again and trying to cheat.
 
It's hard to say whether the ball actually made contact with the back of the bat, but it definitely made contact with Pant's arm. Not sure why that didn't show up on snicko.
 
Some extremely odd decisions in this game

How did Shaheen bowl a no ball on the last ball of his spell (borderline waist height) but Shami got away with it when Rizwan hit him for 6?
 
There's no way for me to verify this because I can't find a paper on Ultraedge technology but I have always wondered how it works.

There's a lot of background noise that needs to be removed for it to show as a flatline. I have always thought that Ultraede works in a way where it only picks up sounds that a ball makes when it contacts the bat, the glove or the pad of a batsman. Everything else is simply not picked up (in this case, the sound of the ball hitting the arm).

Remember when Kohli got out in the 2019 world cup and there was a clear sound but it wasn't picked up by ultraedge? I believe it wasn't picked up on ultraedge simply because it wasn't the sound of bat making contact with the ball
 
Major said:
The ball touched the arm of Rishab Pant, nothing on the DRS. THe snicko got nothing flat line al together..
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An equally worse decision was 18.6th no ball.

No one in the live commentary box, nor the textual narratives could figure out exactly how was that a no ball?

It was surely not for height. They quickly show one, just one, replay where Shaheen's landing foot view was blocked by the runner's leg.

Even the umpires were pointing to each other. The leg umpire did not seem to have his hand raised to call it a waist height no ball, and everyone one else was confused as to how was it no ball? There was no conclusive evidence in the stream that I was watching.

Did anyone else watch the conclusive evidence of that not ball?
 
Rana said:
Some extremely odd decisions in this game

How did Shaheen bowl a no ball on the last ball of his spell (borderline waist height) but Shami got away with it when Rizwan hit him for 6?
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It was a front foot no ball. You could tell when they showed the side-on angle of him releasing the ball.
 
starchild said:
There's no way for me to verify this because I can't find a paper on Ultraedge technology but I have always wondered how it works.

There's a lot of background noise that needs to be removed for it to show as a flatline. I have always thought that Ultraede works in a way where it only picks up sounds that a ball makes when it contacts the bat, the glove or the pad of a batsman. Everything else is simply not picked up (in this case, the sound of the ball hitting the arm).

Remember when Kohli got out in the 2019 world cup and there was a clear sound but it wasn't picked up by ultraedge? I believe it wasn't picked up on ultraedge simply because it wasn't the sound of bat making contact with the ball
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Ultraedge or snicko?

And if your assumption is correct, how can snicko detect if it's a glove or an arm? Or between a pad and an arm guard?

It's definitely someone manipulating the output of snicko like was done to Hawkeye in WC 2011 semifinal (where even commentators were wondering why is it taking so long to bring Hawkeye).
 
Just watched this a few times on replay. Clearly there was an edge. Ball is going into Pant but then it changes direction (starts going straight, even the seam direction changes)

The delay in getting the ultra edge up, no spike for even the clear arm deflection, it reeks of fraud
 
The Ultraedge one deserves a second look.

It's rare for it to not pick up slight background noise (causing a ripple effect to the line). Just the movement of the batsman and keeper tends to cause this type of disturbance.

The fact it was a completely straight line is shady as if it wasn't working at all. The ICC should look into it before this happens in a knockout match.
 
The PCB needs to lodge a complaint to the ICC about blatant Indian Cheating
 
shobiii said:
that looked out in real time. Maybe hit his arm but some deviation for sure.
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Something was off. First replay clearly showed reflection from one angle but from other angles it didn't and thus the flat line. I thought my eyes were off but I'm glad everybody else noticed it as well, it wasn;t just me. I'm not suggesting anything here but could be flaw in the tech.
 
KyoOne said:
Ultraedge or snicko?

And if your assumption is correct, how can snicko detect if it's a glove or an arm? Or between a pad and an arm guard?

It's definitely someone manipulating the output of snicko like was done to Hawkeye in WC 2011 semifinal (where even commentators were wondering why is it taking so long to bring Hawkeye).
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Snicko is tuned to monitor specific sound frequencies/wavelengths; high frequencies.

A ball hitting the bat/glove will have a higher frequency/wavelength on impact compared to a ball hitting an arm.
 
It reminded me of The DRS decision in 2013 world cup when Sachin was given not out. Surely something wrong with DRS in an Indo pak .
 
Cause it's rigged. The ICC is an Indian monopoly and they will get away stealing the world cup.
 
Personally I thought the ball hit the back of the bat and the arm.I am surprised the third umpire didn't use the zoom in motion.
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
Never forget Ajmal 2011...
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Except there was nothing wrong with it. A ball pitching half a foot outside off and hitting the batsman in line with middle stump well in front of the crease. It's entirely reasonable that that would be heading down leg.
 
Technology is not perfect.

The Ajmal-Tendulkar one is debatable. I personally believe it would have at least been clipping the stumps - at the very very least but ok fine, that's history anyway.

This one I don't think is even debatable. It might not have hit his bat, it almost certainly caught his arm (not out) but either way, there should have been some 'turbulence' on the snicko. That there wasn't indicates to me it wasn't working.

I hope whatever the issue is it has been fixed because we can't be having a big crucial wicket messed up because of this.
 
Something odd with the broadcasters definitely, I was watching the official highlights yesterday, after the game to enjoy the victory again, they barely showed any replays of pak wickets but when India hit boundaries there was replay after replay.

Pant one was defo something wrong as well ball clearly hit his arm yet no line on snicko very strange, yet when it brushes a shirt or something as we have seen previously the sound waves go wild.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Thanks but as you can clearly see, it's missing a few frames before these photos. He is about to release the ball. His foot landed way before that. Where are those images? Not that I am denying it but I would like to verify it.
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It was fine it wasn't a no ball. He landed a little behind the line and then his foot slid forward as happens when you land with momentum.
 
Rana said:
Some extremely odd decisions in this game

How did Shaheen bowl a no ball on the last ball of his spell (borderline waist height) but Shami got away with it when Rizwan hit him for 6?
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Interesting thing about that decision is that every wicket in Indian innings had the no ball checked and shown on screen but the full toss from shami wasnt even shown and instead they showed the replay of the previous ball which babar simply blocked....was very weird. 2 Incidents in 1 match both favoring india.
 
Any update on this? Im not sure if it hit the bat however definitely hit the arm and the flat line needs explaining. I’ve seen sheggeries far too often, mostly benefitting India and it’s what puts me off cricket.
 
silentkiller187 said:
Something odd with the broadcasters definitely, I was watching the official highlights yesterday, after the game to enjoy the victory again, they barely showed any replays of pak wickets but when India hit boundaries there was replay after replay.

Pant one was defo something wrong as well ball clearly hit his arm yet no line on snicko very strange, yet when it brushes a shirt or something as we have seen previously the sound waves go wild.
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Yes very strange when I watched the first replay of that decision and it showed on spike then I thought it was suspicious
 
QuickCrick said:
Any update on this? Im not sure if it hit the bat however definitely hit the arm and the flat line needs explaining. I’ve seen sheggeries far too often, mostly benefitting India and it’s what puts me off cricket.
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I didn't see it hit the edge of the bat, but it definitely hit his arm.

Arm or bat, there should still be a mark on ultra edge.
 
Just happened again with Roy hitting the bat onto his pad and nothing on Ultra Edge either.

What the hell is going on?
 
HitWicket said:
Except there was nothing wrong with it. A ball pitching half a foot outside off and hitting the batsman in line with middle stump well in front of the crease. It's entirely reasonable that that would be heading down leg.
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Also, Ajmal the chucker whining about a technology call is laughable. He was able to cheat the system for too long.
 
I noticed this too!

The line did not move at all.

Its the Tendulkar lbw decision all over again. Very cheeky.
 
ChennaiFan said:
Also, Ajmal the chucker whining about a technology call is laughable. He was able to cheat the system for too long.
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He wasn't a cheat. When he was playing the rules to specific degrees to which the arm can straighten/bend weren't as strict as they became soon after.

No need accusing someone of cheating.
 
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ChennaiFan said:
Also, Ajmal the chucker whining about a technology call is laughable. He was able to cheat the system for too long.
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Yeah, only an Indian player who chucked so much that he got the nickname chuckie is allowed to play and not be called a cheat...how dare Ajmal did that while he bowled within the allowed rules!
 
Another controversy.

There is a mark on the ultra edge before ball is touchng bat. Than as the ball comes near ultra edge again shows there is a spike.

Umpire says no there isn't . In the first frame there was gap, but in the second frame there was no evidennce that there is a gap.
 
Now, when there was a noise. 3rd Umpire is saying I can see the gap between Bat and Bowl.

Lbw appeal for Babar from Rashid Khan
 
trickyone said:
Now, when there was a noise. 3rd Umpire is saying I can see the gap between Bat and Bowl.

Lbw appeal for Babar from Rashid Khan
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First frame i would accept that there is a gap, but in the second frame there is no conclusive evidence as it seems the ball was touching the bat and plus there was a spike.

Ridiculous umpiring.

Although thankfully it was not out but still had it been hitting wickets this could had been controversial.
 
Seems to be taking ages loading hotspot and when it does load the umpire made a shocking call.
 
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