[PICTURE] Jammu & Kashmir made part of Pakistan’s territory in new political map

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> unveiling Political Map of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/P5aCgqycCn">https://t.co/P5aCgqycCn</a></p>— Radio Pakistan (@RadioPakistan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RadioPakistan/status/1290628470414946304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

(Karachi) Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday unveiled the new political map of Pakistan in which Jammu and Kashmir has been included and made part of its territory.

Addressing the media, the prime minister said: “Today is a historic day for the country.” He added that the release of new map opposes India’s August 5 move.

Imran maintained, “Jammu Kashmir has been included in the territory of Pakistan and the map released will now be the official map of the country.”

He said that the newly-launched map is backed by all political parties of the country. “India is bent upon violating human rights and torturing innocent people of Kashmir which is not acceptable,” he stated.

He said Pakistan stands with the Kashmiris in their struggle for freedom. The PM mentioned that the world leaders must act to stop India from spreading its Hindutva inspired RSS perception in the region.

“We will continue to highlight the issue of Kashmir on every platform,” Imran Khan remarked.

“The resolution of Kashmir dispute only lies in the UN Security Council resolutions and Pakistan will continue to make efforts for the people of Kashmir, the premier said.

Speaking on the occasion, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi congratulated the entire nation and Prime Minster Imran for taking the “unprecedented step”.

“For the first time in history our government has openly presented its stance before the world,” he said.

Qureshi said the plebiscite should be held in Kashmir region under the watch of UN to determine the future of disputed territory. “We believe that entire Kashmir region is disputed and it needs solution.”

https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...stans-territory-in-new-political-map-pm-imran

 

[JaDed]

South Asia is amazing lol , also what does it say about Junagadh?

 

[Mesozoic]

Fair enough.

 

[PakLFC]

Good and dandy! If India can report the weather of AJK as it's own then we can do the same.

 

[Syed1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arnab Goswami on Pakistan's updated political map: <a href="https://t.co/EWS9PJlb0N">pic.twitter.com/EWS9PJlb0N</a></p>— Hashim (@hashim_i) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashim_i/status/1290672603544391680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[JaDed]

Why does the map stop on China's side of Kashmir?

 

[gani999]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> unveiling Political Map of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/P5aCgqycCn">https://t.co/P5aCgqycCn</a></p>— Radio Pakistan (@RadioPakistan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RadioPakistan/status/1290628470414946304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

(Karachi) Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday unveiled the new political map of Pakistan in which Jammu and Kashmir has been included and made part of its territory.

Addressing the media, the prime minister said: “Today is a historic day for the country.” He added that the release of new map opposes India’s August 5 move.

Imran maintained, “Jammu Kashmir has been included in the territory of Pakistan and the map released will now be the official map of the country.”

He said that the newly-launched map is backed by all political parties of the country. “India is bent upon violating human rights and torturing innocent people of Kashmir which is not acceptable,” he stated.

He said Pakistan stands with the Kashmiris in their struggle for freedom. The PM mentioned that the world leaders must act to stop India from spreading its Hindutva inspired RSS perception in the region.

“We will continue to highlight the issue of Kashmir on every platform,” Imran Khan remarked.

“The resolution of Kashmir dispute only lies in the UN Security Council resolutions and Pakistan will continue to make efforts for the people of Kashmir, the premier said.

Speaking on the occasion, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi congratulated the entire nation and Prime Minster Imran for taking the “unprecedented step”.

“For the first time in history our government has openly presented its stance before the world,” he said.

Qureshi said the plebiscite should be held in Kashmir region under the watch of UN to determine the future of disputed territory. “We believe that entire Kashmir region is disputed and it needs solution.”

https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...stans-territory-in-new-political-map-pm-imran

The map of Pakistan does not show the boundary with China in the East.

What are we supposed to assume? That Pakistan has merged with China???

 

[PakLFC]

Why does the map stop on China's side of Kashmir?

Coz China hamara dost hai. Yeh dosti hum nehi chodenge, tode ge dum magar tera saath na chodenge!!

 

[PakLFC]

Arnab Goswami has his next comedy show ready. The script is being written as I speak and "guests" like Gaurav Arya and General Bakshi reminded of their dialogues. They will be challenged by the likes of Congressmen on the payroll of ISI!

 

[Abdullah719]

The map of Pakistan does not show the boundary with China in the East.

What are we supposed to assume? That Pakistan has merged with China???

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Well done IK and Pakistan.

Finally something that unites all political parties.

Edit: Zoomable link of the map : https://i.brecorder.com/primary/2020/08/5f2973da0c0f3.jpg

 

[cricketjoshila]

The map of Pakistan does not show the boundary with China in the East.

What are we supposed to assume? That Pakistan has merged with China???

So now there is no freedom struggle in j and k and there is no "azad Kashmir" . Lol.

Btw will i need a visa to go to Srinagar now?

 

[JaDed]

Almost seems like a self goal the East side of Kashmir is open to interpretation.

 

[Savak]

Will this really make much of a difference? It just looks like a mere formality to me

 

[ElRaja]

waste of time, no pakistan government has ever acknowledged the legitimacy of the indian occupation of kashmir so it doesnt mean much to issue a map that says as much.

also i dont get why junagadh is included, whats the deal with that?

 

[MenInG]

Black Lives Matter, Palestinian, Uighur, Indigenous and Rohingya activists have come out in support of the people of Indian-administered Kashmir, calling for a "global spotlight on the suffering and their resistance", ahead of the one-year anniversary of the revocation of the region's autonomy by India's Hindu nationalist government.

On August 5, 2019, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government abrogated Article 370 of India's constitution that granted the Muslim-majority region a special status, with powers to make its own laws in all matters except finance, defence, foreign affairs and communications.

The region was placed under an unprecedented security lockdown and internet shutdown for months following the decision, drawing condemnation from rights organisations and the United Nations.

"I am sending this strong word of deep solidarity with my precious brothers and sisters in Kashmir facing a vicious Indian occupation generating levels of dominations, social misery and suffering," said Harvard University Professor Cornel West in a video message released on Tuesday by the Stand with Kashmir group.

"Let's cast a national global spotlight on both the suffering and the resistance."

Days before the anniversary, thousands of Indian troops were ordered to impose a two-day curfew in Kashmir, blocking main roads with razor wire and steel barricades, citing intelligence reports of looming protests.

Kashmiris have called for the anniversary to be marked as a "black day".

'A brutal occupation'

About 7,000 people were taken into custody whereas hundreds remained under house arrest or behind bars without charge.

"This is a message to my Kashmiri brothers and sisters who are enduring a brutal occupation and being repressed by the most violent means," Mariam Barghouti, a Palestinian activist and writer, said in the video message for the US-based Kashmiri diaspora group.

Kashmir curfew

Paramilitary soldiers guard at a checkpoint during a curfew in Srinagar on August 4 [Tauseef Mustafa/AFP]
"I know that the plight for self-determination is difficult and oppressors rely on making their violence invisible and that they rely on making us invisible but your voices are heard and your shouts and screams as difficult as they are to utter are heard."

A year on, life remains hard in Kashmir with several checkpoints still in place and half a million jobs lost in the region by the end of 2019, according to the Kashmir chamber of commerce.

Kashmiris fear New Delhi's decision to allow Indians from other states to buy land and compete for local jobs are aimed at demographic change in the region of nearly eight million people.

Beyond sharp words from Malaysia, Turkey and UN human rights chief Michelle Bachelet, international reaction over the August 5 decision, has been largely muted.

"As a Rohingya, going through a process of what is called a genocide and living in fear of not being able to protect loved ones, I would never understand why the international community takes so long to respond," Yasmin Ullah, a Rohingya activist, said.

Kashmir has been split since 1947 between India and Pakistan, both of which claim it in full. India accuses Pakistan of sending fighters over their de facto Kashmir border to conduct attacks and also of supporting rebels on the ground, charges that Islamabad denies.

In Pakistan, anti-India protests are planned throughout the country while all major cities in Pakistan will hold solidarity marches, along with a one-minute silence.

Activists from around the world have expressed solidarity with Kashmiris, with Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan accusing India of turning the Muslim-majority region into an "open-air prison".

"Right now Kashmir is the largest militarised region in the world and right now Kashmiris are stripped of a very basic human rights and forms of self dignity," Aydin Anwar, an Uighur activist, said.

"For the Kashmiri cause, I urge you all to continue to remain strong and courages to find against the appaling occupation."

'False claims'
Ashok Koul, the general secretary of the governing Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), defended last year's government move.

"The last one year has been very good for Jammu and Kashmir. Militancy has reduced and the number of locals joining militancy has also come down," Koul told Al Jazeera.

But official data show a growing number of Kashmiri youth joining rebel ranks.

Koul dubbed allegations of human rights violations in Kashmir as "false claims". "Since 1947 this has been the business for diaspora groups and the activists to run these false campaigns. They have been doing it and these campaigns are their bread and butter."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...otlight-plight-kashmiris-200804080337565.html

 

[JaDed]

waste of time, no pakistan government has ever acknowledged the legitimacy of the indian occupation of kashmir so it doesnt mean much to issue a map that says as much.

also i dont get why junagadh is included, whats the deal with that?

It was originally in Pakistan.

 

[Local.Dada]

I don’t think I have ever got a clear answer if Pakistanis want Kashmir to be its own independent country or they want it to be a part of Pakistan.

If they draw a map that includes IOK and “Azaad” Kashmir wouldn’t that make them the oppressors too because technically the article 370 that Imran tweets about every other day basically does the same thing.

 

[ElRaja]

It was originally in Pakistan.

yeh, i know that, but i mean whats the point of including it now, its like 4 or 5 million mostly hindus, brings pak down to indias level of wishful map making. i.e. projecting 3 or 4 million gilgit baltistanis and 5 or 6 azad kashmiri muslims to be part of india.

 

[globalcitizen]

ok now people from both sides of Kashmir know the real intentions of Pakistan. Atleast India has been firm with their statements from the start. this seems a very nonsensical move by Pakistan and not going to achieve anything

 

[Bewal Express]

It was originally in Pakistan.

What happened there? They didn't have a referendum did they?

 

[JaDed]

What happened there? They didn't have a referendum did they?

No they didn't. My assumption is you wanted to say something else because don't think India cares about a referendum in Kashmir either..

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t think I have ever got a clear answer if Pakistanis want Kashmir to be its own independent country or they want it to be a part of Pakistan.

If they draw a map that includes IOK and “Azaad” Kashmir wouldn’t that make them the oppressors too because technically the article 370 that Imran tweets about every other day basically does the same thing.

A schoolkid could understand this.

India believes Azad Kashmir is part of it's land and being occupied by Pakistan. Even as a big military power, India has failed to take 'back' AK. You can tell me why India hasn't/cant/wont?

After years of violent, oppressive polcies, it came up with a new law claiming all the land. The problem for Hindustan is almost all men, women, children & goats DO NOT want to live under an Indian government. At the same time majority want to live under Pakistan, thus it makes sense if India can claim this land based when nobody wants to be with them, Pakistan can also induct this in it's map.

Its still up for a UN plebiscite which India will never give as the vote would be an easy outcome , to be part of Pakistan.

Im not sure this will help you.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Should have been done much earlier. There is no balance when india shows AK and GB in their map and pakistan only shows the territory it controls. But IK should do more, much more, than this semantic change, and shouldn't make a big deal about it, otherwise no difference between him and nepali PM Oli.

 

[Savak]

Kashmir belongs to Pakistan and must rightfully be given to Pakistan at the end of the day

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I don’t think I have ever got a clear answer if Pakistanis want Kashmir to be its own independent country or they want it to be a part of Pakistan.

If they draw a map that includes IOK and “Azaad” Kashmir wouldn’t that make them the oppressors too because technically the article 370 that Imran tweets about every other day basically does the same thing.

ok now people from both sides of Kashmir know the real intentions of Pakistan. Atleast India has been firm with their statements from the start. this seems a very nonsensical move by Pakistan and not going to achieve anything

Is it not obvious? Pakistan wants Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan. They ask for one winner take all referendum in the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir, as they are convinced that Pakistan will win if there are only two options, Pakistan and India.

They have never hid their intentions.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

This is a good move by Imran Khan. Its time to make Gilgit Baltistan a province. They have wanted that since 1947, and they need to get their rights now.

The only dispute as far as Pakistan is concerned is the Muslim parts of Indian Kashmir.

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

Sorry guys buy yeah hamara area ha, app log kyun khudd apna bana rahe ho,Just joking.at the end of the day we all know Pakistan is all in favour of Plebiscite in kashmir.

And also I think based on referendum I would happily accept myself a proud indian if majority of the masses want that. The fact the these criminal and shameless oppressors know their fate if a plebiscite happens has them making all sorts of excuses for it to make possible.

Why can't india just let it happen and provide a way for stability not only in kashmir (that have suffered from some 100 years under different forces) but for india as well as pakistan?
Probably that is what all evil people do, just defend their nonsense with shameless excuses.
indian posters shouldn't be involved in discussions involving kashmir, The only better thing they can do is convince the evil indian state to leave us alone.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Sorry guys buy yeah hamara area ha, app log kyun khudd apna bana rahe ho,Just joking.at the end of the day we all know Pakistan is all in favour of Plebiscite in kashmir.

And also I think based on referendum I would happily accept myself a proud indian if majority of the masses want that. The fact the these criminal and shameless oppressors know their fate if a plebiscite happens has them making all sorts of excuses for it to make possible.

Why can't india just let it happen and provide a way for stability not only in kashmir (that have suffered from some 100 years under different forces) but for india as well as pakistan?
Probably that is what all evil people do, just defend their nonsense with shameless excuses.
indian posters shouldn't be involved in discussions involving kashmir, The only better thing they can do is convince the evil indian state to leave us alone.

Yes, because Pakistanis are convinced that they would win. If they thought they would lose than they would probably not support a referendum.

 

[gani999]

A schoolkid could understand this.



Its still up for a UN plebiscite which India will never give as the vote would be an easy outcome , to be part of Pakistan.

Im not sure this will help you.

Please do us all a favour and read the UN resolution for yourself.

http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/47

It clearly states the following as the first and foremost requirement:

Pakistan:
A. Restoration of peace and order
1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:
(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not
normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion
into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide
full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their
views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate
in the maintenance of peace and order.

In other words, no plebiscite can be held as long as the so-called 'Azad Kashmir (Pakistan occupied Kashmir , in letter, spirit and reality), is first vacated by Pakistan and it's army.

And please don't give me all the bauble that the 'Pakistani Army is in PoK to protect it from India'. No one believes that stuff anymore.

In fact, by publishing this childish map, Pakistan under IK has literally wiped its backside with the UN resolution. And he has the gall to call for a plebiscite!

The man should have stuck to playing cricket.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Sorry guys buy yeah hamara area ha, app log kyun khudd apna bana rahe ho,Just joking.at the end of the day we all know Pakistan is all in favour of Plebiscite in kashmir.

And also I think based on referendum I would happily accept myself a proud indian if majority of the masses want that. The fact the these criminal and shameless oppressors know their fate if a plebiscite happens has them making all sorts of excuses for it to make possible.

Why can't india just let it happen and provide a way for stability not only in kashmir (that have suffered from some 100 years under different forces) but for india as well as pakistan?
Probably that is what all evil people do, just defend their nonsense with shameless excuses.
indian posters shouldn't be involved in discussions involving kashmir, The only better thing they can do is convince the evil indian state to leave us alone.

Plebiscite unfortunately cant happen unless Pakistan backs out. Will have to wait for them to carry out their bit first, which will never happen after the CPEC, i presume.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Plebiscite unfortunately cant happen unless Pakistan backs out. Will have to wait for them to carry out their bit first, which will never happen after the CPEC, i presume.

plebiscite will not happen even when pakistan backs out.

The only plebiscite that matters is of the rest of indians, what future they want for the kashmiris. This is the only reality.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't know why India wants to hold onto a state which is populated by Muslim majority who wish to be part of Pakistan anyway. It is as futile as West Pakistan trying to hold onto east Pakistan in the long run. Resolving the dispute would open up much more opportunities for both India and Pakistan, instead they will continue to waste resources and become prone to use for proxy war by countries like China and the US in their global fight for supremacy.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Don't know why India wants to hold onto a state which is populated by Muslim majority who wish to be part of Pakistan anyway. It is as futile as West Pakistan trying to hold onto east Pakistan in the long run. Resolving the dispute would open up much more opportunities for both India and Pakistan, instead they will continue to waste resources and become prone to use for proxy war by countries like China and the US in their global fight for supremacy.

Despite the secession movement, Bangladesh needed a military intervention to become free. Kashmir's status won't change till there is a war. I think Pakistan has a window if/when india and china go to war. The status quo is boring.

 

[MenInG]

Youm-e-Istehsal: Pakistan shows solidarity with Kashmiris braving Indian atrocities

Pakistan and the people of Kashmir, around the world, will mark 'Youm-e-Istehsal' as exactly one year ago today, on August 5, 2019, the Indian government illegally annexed occupied Kashmir into two union territories by revoking Article 370 of its constitution.

The main intent behind the move is to expose Indian atrocities and show solidarity with the people of occupied Kashmir. Today (Wednesday), Prime Minister Imran Khan is expected to visit Muzaffarabad to mark Youm-e-Istehsal.

Anti-India protests are planned throughout Pakistan, particularly in Azad Kashmir, while all major cities in Pakistan will hold solidarity marches, along with a one-minute silence.

Meanwhile, Indian officials announced a two-day "full curfew" on Monday citing intelligence reports of looming protests in the Muslim-majority region of seven million people, where locals have called for the anniversary to be marked as a "black day".

Fearing a massive reaction from the Kashmiris, New Delhi imposed the curfew on Tuesday in occupied Kashmir, blocking main roads throughout the valley with barbed wires and steel barricades.

The Modi-led government revoked Article 370 last year on this day, promising economic prosperity and progress after more than three decades of violence that has seen thousands die in the disputed region.

The situation in the occupied territory remained tense as police cars patrolled Srinagar after dark on Monday and again on Tuesday morning, with officers using megaphones to order residents to remain indoors.

A "full curfew" means people can only move around with an official pass, usually reserved for essential services such as police and ambulances. The Himalayan region is already subject to restrictions to reduce the spread of the coronavirus, with most economic activities limited and public movement curtailed.

For locals, the new curfew brought back memories of the weeks-long clampdown a year ago. Then, a total communications blackout was imposed, with phone and internet access cut and tens of thousands of fresh troops moved into the valley — already one of the world´s most militarised regions.

Around 7,000 people were taken into custody — including three former chief ministers. Hundreds remain under house arrest or behind bars to this day, mostly without charge.

Modi's revocation of Article 370, which has been accompanied by an upsurge in violence that is set to make 2020 the bloodiest year in a decade, has triggered major economic hardship exacerbated by the coronavirus pandemic.

Many locals are also angry that for the first time, people from outside Kashmir are being granted rights to buy land, fearing that India wants to change the region's demographic makeup.

In a fresh setback to New Delhi's stance on the issue, the Human Rights Watch condemned New Delhi and urged it to reverse its "abusive policies" in occupied Kashmir.

"Indian government claims that it was determined to improve Kashmiri lives ring hollow one year after the revocation of Jammu and Kashmir´s constitutional status," Meenakshi Ganguly from Human Rights Watch had said in a statement Tuesday.

"The authorities instead have maintained stifling restraints on Kashmiris in violation of their basic rights."

New political map of Pakistan including IoK approved by PM Imran

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday announced the approval a new political map of Pakistan, which included Indian-occupied Kashmir in its entirety.

The approval was given in a Cabinet meeting chaired by PM Imran earlier on Tuesday during which the participants were apprised of the latest situation in the occupied Muslim-majority region.

Speaking during a live televised address to the nation, the premier shared the details of the decisions made in the Cabinet meeting. "Today is the most important day in the history that we are presenting a new political map of Pakistan before the world," he said.

"The cabinet has approved the map," he said, adding that the Kashmiri and national leadership has also green-signalled it. The new map would now be used in school and colleges as well, he added.

The final status of "Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir" was to be decided in line with the relevant UNSC resolutions, read the map.

UN experts slam 'alarming' rights free-fall in IoK

A group of UN rights experts urged India to address the "alarming human rights situation" in Kashmir since it was stripped of its autonomy a year ago on Wednesday.

The independent experts, who do not speak for the United Nations but report their findings to it, called on other nations to pile the pressure on India if it does not do so.

"Urgent action is needed," the 18 special rapporteurs and other experts said Tuesday in a joint statement.

"If India will not take any genuine and immediate steps to resolve the situation, meet their obligations to investigate historic and recent cases of human rights violations and prevent future violations, then the international community should step up."

The experts urged New Delhi to schedule urgently visits by UN experts, particularly by those investigating torture and disappearances.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/301273-yo...rity-with-kashmiris-braving-indian-atrocities

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will address the AJK Assembly today to show solidarity with Kashmiris on Youm-e-Istehsal. Kashmiris in IIOJK have been subjected to a brutal fascist military siege by India since its illegal actions of 5th Aug last year followed by efforts to change the demography of IIOJK.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1290843921224957952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will continue to be an ambassador for all Kashmiris whose voices India has tried to silence through its brutal illegal occupation of IIOJK. After many years, my govt raised the Kashmir issue effectively before the UN & exposed the Hindutva Supremacist fascism of the Modi Govt</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1290843923863281664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote>

<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will address the AJK Assembly today to show solidarity with Kashmiris on Youm-e-Istehsal. Kashmiris in IIOJK have been subjected to a brutal fascist military siege by India since its illegal actions of 5th Aug last year followed by efforts to change the demography of IIOJK.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1290843921224957952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[uberkoen]

Did Pakistan just make a renewed claim for Junagadh?

That's absolutely amazing

 

[CricketCartoons]

Did Pakistan just make a renewed claim for Junagadh?

That's absolutely amazing

It was a mistake in principle for pakistan to accept junagarh's ruler instrument of accession, as it was against TNT, and their later principle of majority deciding the accession, not the ruler, as in kashmir.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan’s aide on national security, Dr Moeed Yusuf, on Tuesday ruled out the possibility of any understanding with India unless New Delhi reversed its unilateral August 5 move of illegally annexing occupied Kashmir.

Yusuf was speaking to digital journalists and bloggers via Zoom to discuss the government’s Kashmir policy, a day ahead of “Yaum-e-Istehsal” when Pakistan plans to highlight Indian atrocities in occupied Kashmir.

"Unless India reverses its August 5 action, there is no question of any understanding with them," he said.

Yusuf said that the state has a perspective on the Kashmir issue and that "Pakistan, indeed, has a story to tell" the world. He agreed on the need for more English-language mediums to better promote Pakistan's message globally regarding the dispute.

"We have nothing to hide [on the Kashmir issue]," he said. "Only one side is hiding [the facts]."

He said that one should not hesitate when it comes to paying respect to the Kashmiris who had been raped, tortured and killed at the hands of the Indian security forces over the years.

"We have to show their [India’s] real face to the world," he said.

In response to a question, Yusuf said that seeing to the fulfilment of Kashmiris’ right to make their own decisions is Pakistan's “endgame”.

"Our first target is [to get reversed the actions of] August 5," he said, adding however that India was headed on a path where there was “no reverse gear”.

He said that the August 5 move will be reversed by Kashmiris and that Pakistan will provide a "helping hand".

Idea of India ‘capturing’ Azad Kashmir ‘laughable’
In response to a query on talks of India preparing to attack or capture Azad Kashmir, the premier’s aide completely dismissed such a possibility.

"You can absolutely forget about it," he said.

"Don't even think about it. Nothing like this can happen, our [armed] forces are there. This [talk of capturing AJK] is [New Delhi's] attempt to divert and detract from the Kashmir issue," Yusuf added.

He termed the possibility “laughable”, once again urging participants to pay no heed to such talk.

The premier's special assistant said that India's narrative regarding occupied Kashmir had seen a battering worldwide, with New Delhi being called out multiple times for its atrocities in the disputed territory.

New map and other measures
He spoke about the new map released by Pakistan, stressing that it will be used in all textbooks henceforth. "Why did we release the map today? [We know], of course, there is going to be a reaction in India.”

"We have decided that from now on, we will call the region ‘Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir’," he said, adding that since India had committed a violation of international law, the decision to name the map as such was taken.

Delving into the “Yaum-e-Istehsal” campaign, Yusuf said that the theme for the campaign was focused on India's state terrorism, and that the government of Pakistan was reminding the world of Indian atrocities.

He said that Pakistan had undertaken measures such as renaming the Kashmir Highway to Srinagar Highway, and that he and the foreign minister had paid a visit to the Line of Control (LoC) to express solidarity with Kashmiris and Pakistani troops.

Yusuf also spoke of the government's “Prisoners of Conscience” campaign. "The campaign features Kashmiri prisoners, some of them 30 years old and others 20 years old, as well as their spouses. We have crafted stories about them and will highlight them on international media," he said.

He said that the government is also drawing attention to the iconic places in occupied Kashmir and the atrocities committed there against the local population.

'Not involved in India-China dispute'
Addressing a query on the Ladakh border dispute between India and China which resulted in the killing of at least 20 Indian soldiers, Yusuf said that Pakistan was not involved in any capacity.

"It [Ladakh clash] may have happened partly due to the August 5 move," he said.

"India claimed territory which is part of China and Pakistan. We are not directly involved in it," the premier’s aide said.

'Fight against the odds'
When bloggers raised concerns regarding videos on Kashmir posted by social media influencers', which were taken down by digital media giants Facebook and YouTube, Yusuf said that it was a “tough fight against the odds".

"We will have to fight and we will continue to fight," he said. "We are hoping for your support," he added.

However, the special assistant said that he would not lie about finding a solution to the problem. "I will not lie to you and say we will fix this," said Yusuf, adding that he will "definitely take this [Facebook, YouTube issue] up."

When asked whether Pakistan can use the factual blunders and war mongering tactics of the Indian media on the Kashmir conflict, Yusuf said that it was important for Pakistan to make use of its own narrative.

"While there is no debate [on using the obvious factual errors made by the Indian media], I believe we should project our own narrative," he said.

Yusuf pointed out how people had laughed at the prime minister at first when he started likening Modi to Hitler. However, the special assistant said that were he to point out the similarities between Modi and Hitler's actions, it would make for a startling revelation.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/301239-no...ia-till-august-5-move-is-reversed-moeed-yusuf

 

[uberkoen]

It was a mistake in principle for pakistan to accept junagarh's ruler instrument of accession, as it was against TNT, and their later principle of majority deciding the accession, not the ruler, as in kashmir.

Junagadh was a princely state. Princely states were given a choice to either join India or Pakistan. Not sure what you're on about here. Pakistan has a claim to Junagadh as India believes it has a claim on Kashmir. If India lets its claim on Kashmir go I think Pakistan can reciprocate with Junagadh

 

[CricketCartoons]

Junagadh was a princely state. Princely states were given a choice to either join India or Pakistan. Not sure what you're on about here. Pakistan has a claim to Junagadh as India believes it has a claim on Kashmir. If India lets its claim on Kashmir go I think Pakistan can reciprocate with Junagadh

You are not aware of the chronology. TNT was the basis for partition. Junagarh had a muslim nawab with hindu majority, and signed instrument of accession to pakistan. If Pakistan accepted that the ruler will decide which country to choose (or to go single), then it had no basis to claim kashmir which had a hindu ruler with muslim majority. Junagarh happened before kashmir. If pakistan believed that the people should get to decide (as in kashmir), then it shouldnt have accepted junagarh's accession. This was one of the things were Q-e-A didn't take a principled approach. It is fine if someone like nawaz sharif or IK did, who don't mind U turns on their principles.

 

[globalcitizen]

Is it not obvious? Pakistan wants Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan. They ask for one winner take all referendum in the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir, as they are convinced that Pakistan will win if there are only two options, Pakistan and India.

They have never hid their intentions.

Pakistan has not been genuine in its voice about kashmir. Anyway this action atleast will ensure there won’t be anymore hypocrisy in the statements

 

[Sidilicious]

Sorry guys buy yeah hamara area ha, app log kyun khudd apna bana rahe ho,Just joking.at the end of the day we all know Pakistan is all in favour of Plebiscite in kashmir.

And also I think based on referendum I would happily accept myself a proud indian if majority of the masses want that. The fact the these criminal and shameless oppressors know their fate if a plebiscite happens has them making all sorts of excuses for it to make possible.

Why can't india just let it happen and provide a way for stability not only in kashmir (that have suffered from some 100 years under different forces) but for india as well as pakistan?
Probably that is what all evil people do, just defend their nonsense with shameless excuses.
indian posters shouldn't be involved in discussions involving kashmir, The only better thing they can do is convince the evil indian state to leave us alone.

Have you read the UN resolution on Kashmir?

Before a referendum can take place, the first requirement is that Pakistan remove its armed forces from PoK. Pakistan has not done that for over 60 years. Pakistan is the one actually blocking the referendum.

 

[Kashur_Kalkharab]

Have you read the UN resolution on Kashmir?

Before a referendum can take place, the first requirement is that Pakistan remove its armed forces from PoK. Pakistan has not done that for over 60 years. Pakistan is the one actually blocking the referendum.

I think India should get out of the land that was never theirs without a referendum, but knowing vhow shameless they are they will resort to these excuses. You know 99℅ Kashmiris have expressed their desire to be independent, but the shameless hindus are too arrogant to miss out on their chance to oppress armless innocent kashmiris.

I already said it that any india person with iota of shame should at least maintain silence over the issue if they can't stop supporting Indian terrorist army/establishment here.

And yeah I'm not brainwashed, neither pro-pakistani, neither deluded. Kashmir has always been a straight forward case, with the only problem being Indian hindus oppressing innocent Muslims and stealing the land that never belonged to them.

You don't need to come up with explanation, we are pretty aware of your version of the story. So no need to start this useless shameless crap again. You can't be peacemakers and can't wish good for Muslims.

 

[Sirris]

Delusions

When can an average Pakistani visit Srinagar without being shot at?

 

[Sirris]

Did Pakistan just make a renewed claim for Junagadh?

That's absolutely amazing

I claim the whole milky way galaxy for me.

Everyone take notice, please!

 

[Pakpak]

Delusions

When can an average Pakistani visit Srinagar without being shot at?

Post after post it becomes apparent how poor your realpolitik knowledge is either when it comes to Balochistan or Pakhtuns and now this. From becoming such a good poster you're become a parody now. The idea of claiming the valley in the map has nothing to do with visiting Srinagar. Its more like a cheapshot to India doing the same everytime with their maps. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Sirris]

Post after post it becomes apparent how poor your realpolitik knowledge is either when it comes to Balochistan or Pakhtuns and now this. From becoming such a good poster you're become a parody now. The idea of claiming the valley in the map has nothing to do with visiting Srinagar. Its more like a cheapshot to India doing the same everytime with their maps. Nothing more nothing less.

I don't care about being a good post or impressing anyone here.

I care about voicing my opinion, speaking my mind and critically questioning the status quo enforced upon us since generations.

I don't care about such cheapshots. I wholeheartedly care about the plight Kashmiri people. Hence my disapproval and bitter attitude towards such cheapshots.

 

[Pakpak]

I don't care about being a good post or impressing anyone here.

I care about voicing my opinion, speaking my mind and critically questioning the status quo enforced upon us since generations.

I don't care about such cheapshots. I wholeheartedly care about the plight Kashmiri people. Hence my disapproval and bitter attitude towards such cheapshots.

These cheap shots make the news more internationally when it comes to Kashmir rather your snide remarks and horrid knowledge on any Pakistani issue.

 

[sweep_shot]

Interesting move from Imran Khan.

I hope a solution happens in Kashmir soon. Peaceful one hopefully.

 

[Sirris]

These cheap shots make the news more internationally when it comes to Kashmir rather your snide remarks and horrid knowledge on any Pakistani issue.

I didn't see any news in the local area of my country of residency. I don't think Kashmir conflict is any closer to getting resolved than before this cheap shot.

My knowledge isn't horrid. I think my insight and point of view may be too advanced for those who are blinded by patriotism and a false sense of national pride.

The Kashmir conflict has been going on for 70 years now. I think it's time to question our leaders for their failure to get it resolved and take bold decisions. Either go in for a total military solution or accept the defeat. Proxy wars and cheap shots are only going to make sure the conflict goes on for next 70 years.

Indian meida showing weather of AJK was indeed one ofthe dumbest thing ever. Are we going to drop down to their level and be equally delusional? At least we claim to care about the plight of Kashmiri people while the Indians only care about the geopolitical importance of the region and not necessarily its Muslim inhabitants.

My snide remarks have more power in them than your attempts to make me feel bad and ashamed for daring to question the failed politics of our politicans and leaders.

 

[Firebat]

South Asia’s New Cartographic War: India, Nepal And Now Pakistan

Redrawing international borders and publishing fantasy maps has become the latest political fad in South Asia. First it was India, then Nepal and now Pakistan.

To add fuel to the fire, China indirectly stepped in. Wednesday marks the first anniversary of scrapping Kashmir’s special status and dividing the state into two union territories. China’s foreign ministry dubbed India’s move last year as both “illegal and invalid”.

Pakistan unveiled a new map on Tuesday that showed Jammu and Kashmir, Ladakh as well as some areas of Gujarat within its territory. Explaining his government’s move, Imran Khan said: “This political map of Pakistan, which we are unveiling to the world, firstly represents the desires of the Pakistani people, and the principled stance of the people of Kashmir, and rejects the illegal step India took on August 5 last year.”

His foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said that the new map reflects Pakistan's position on the dispute.

But it was India which started the trend. The new map may be Islamabad’s response to India’s action in October 2019. After the division of Kashmir, India had to issue a new political map where the changes were reflected. While doing so, the Indian map included both POK and the Gilgit-Baltistan area of Pakistan inside its territory.

Islamabad may just be playing the usual ***-for-tat game which had defined relations between South Asia’s two hostile neighbours.

Last August, Pakistani Prime Minister Khan led the charge against India. Islamabad went into diplomatic overdrive, sending out envoys to European and Arab capitals to talk of India’s “unfair treatment of Kashmiris”. Khan promised the people of Kashmir that he would be their voice and campaign for their rights across the world as well at the UN, till their rights were “restored”. However, the world community did not pay much heed and New Delhi was able in those early months to convince the rest of the world that this was India’s internal matter.

While the abrogation of Article 370 itself was not questioned, what troubled many countries was the denial of internet access to people of Kashmir and the restrictions on free movement and arbitrary arrests of political leaders. Besides resolutions by the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation not much damage was done. China raised it at the UNSC, but that was again at a closed-door meeting, with little impact.

Prime Minister Khan’s latest move has played out well domestically, where there is a lot of support for the “Kashmiri cause”. The PTI government, which has little to show as achievement during its rule, is being appreciated for this move. In actual fact, it means little, because the international community will not endorse it. It is more to do with play-acting rather than anything substantial. The Indian Ministry of External Affairs has trashed it as “an exercise in political absurdity”.

But Pakistani citizens are applauding Khan. “PM Imran Khan has unveiled a new political map of Pakistan, integrating Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJ&K) in the country’s map for the first time in history. Appreciated to GOP, Huge step its giant leap toward the integration of Kashmir into Pak land,” reads a tweet.

In June this year, it was Nepal which issued a new map. Areas India claims as its own including Kalapani, Lipulkeh and Limpiyadhura were included inside Nepal’s political boundary. Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli got the Nepalese Parliament to endorse the map and won brownie points against his party rivals who wished to throw him out of office.

Much of the redrawing of political boundaries is a meaningless exercise. It becomes a problem only when it degenerates into a military confrontation for territory.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...aphic-war-india-nepal-and-now-pakistan/358057

 

[Sirris]

These cheap shots make the news more internationally when it comes to Kashmir rather your snide remarks and horrid knowledge on any Pakistani issue.

It's so ridiculous and funny.

Your posts seem to imply that our leaders and politicians know how to run a country and get things done.

When anyone with some common sense can see how incompetent and egoistic they are and how the country is going from bad to worse year after year, all due to the bad judgments of our politicians.

Politicians are known to be biggest liars and decievers.

And you want me to just blindly be a cheerleader for them and feel a sense of national pride over a cheap shot, which is nothing to be happy about for anyone who has been following the worsening situation for people of Kashmir since a year now.

Imran Khan held an emotional and bold speech in front of the whole UN. How much international news did it make and how much closer did it bring to us to any tangible solution? How does his speech compare to this cheap shot and how will this cheap shot have a stronger effect on the international community than his bold speech?

 

[Pakpak]

I didn't see any news in the local area of my country of residency. I don't think Kashmir conflict is any closer to getting resolved than before this cheap shot.

My knowledge isn't horrid. I think my insight and point of view may be too advanced for those who are blinded by patriotism and a false sense of national pride.

The Kashmir conflict has been going on for 70 years now. I think it's time to question our leaders for their failure to get it resolved and take bold decisions. Either go in for a total military solution or accept the defeat. Proxy wars and cheap shots are only going to make sure the conflict goes on for next 70 years.

Indian meida showing weather of AJK was indeed one ofthe dumbest thing ever. Are we going to drop down to their level and be equally delusional? At least we claim to care about the plight of Kashmiri people while the Indians only care about the geopolitical importance of the region and not necessarily its Muslim inhabitants.

My snide remarks have more power in them than your attempts to make me feel bad and ashamed for daring to question the failed politics of our politicans and leaders.

Your snide remarks show how clueless you are about the entire situation. The present government has managed to raise Kashmir, albeit aided by Modi, more than the previous 2 governments combined.

The fact you're saying 'Indians only care about the land' shows how clueless you are, as to us the land is the reason its a big thing. Kashmir is important due to the people but the biggest reason for its importance is strategic especially when it comes to water.

You're better of making threads about 'Pashtunistan' than real problems and issues which you have no idea on.

 

[Pakpak]

It's so ridiculous and funny.

Your posts seem to imply that our leaders and politicians know how to run a country and get things done.

When anyone with some common sense can see how incompetent and egoistic they are and how the country is going from bad to worse year after year, all due to the bad judgments of our politicians.

Politicians are known to be biggest liars and decievers.

And you want me to just blindly be a cheerleader for them and feel a sense of national pride over a cheap shot, which is nothing to be happy about for anyone who has been following the worsening situation for people of Kashmir since a year now.

Imran Khan held an emotional and bold speech in front of the whole UN. How much international news did it make and how much closer did it bring to us to any tangible solution? How does his speech compare to this cheap shot and how will this cheap shot have a stronger effect on the international community than his bold speech?

Kashmir has never seen international coverage before like it is now. Even today BBC has a full feature on its main page about Indian brutalities.

Like I said, you're completely clueless. Maybe update your knowledge.

 

[Abdullah719]

I didn’t see any news in the local area of my country of residency. I don’t think Kashmir conflict is any closer to getting resolved than before this cheap shot.

My knowledge isn’t horrid. I think my insight and point of view may be too advanced for those who are blinded by patriotism and a false sense of national pride.

The Kashmir conflict has been going on for 70 years now. I think it’s time to question our leaders for their failure to get it resolved and take bold decisions. Either go in for a total military solution or accept the defeat. Proxy wars and cheap shots are only going to make sure the conflict goes on for next 70 years.

Easy to say, but I don’t think either are viable options.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Please do us all a favour and read the UN resolution for yourself.

http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/47

It clearly states the following as the first and foremost requirement:

Pakistan:
A. Restoration of peace and order
1. The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavours:
(a) To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not
normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion
into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
(b) To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide
full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their
views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate
in the maintenance of peace and order.

In other words, no plebiscite can be held as long as the so-called 'Azad Kashmir (Pakistan occupied Kashmir , in letter, spirit and reality), is first vacated by Pakistan and it's army.

And please don't give me all the bauble that the 'Pakistani Army is in PoK to protect it from India'. No one believes that stuff anymore.

In fact, by publishing this childish map, Pakistan under IK has literally wiped its backside with the UN resolution. And he has the gall to call for a plebiscite!

The man should have stuck to playing cricket.

lol. Some should stick to maths.

India must first accept a plebiscite, vote of self dermination. If so, Pak will withdraw very quickly because we both know Kashmiris dont want to be part of a terrorist state.

Are you suggesting in maths classes, we should be told India DOES WANT a vote, because if not, the rest is meangingless.

Indian arguments are the worst, so poor its embarrasing, stop reading your news and use your own mind, it will help.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Kashmir has never seen international coverage before like it is now. Even today BBC has a full feature on its main page about Indian brutalities.

Like I said, you're completely clueless. Maybe update your knowledge.

Indian actions on article 370 have led to increased international coverage over the last year but so what..has there been any action taken against India...Coverage won't achieve anything just like Imran changing the political map..

 

[Pakpak]

Indian actions on article 370 have led to increased international coverage over the last year but so what..has there been any action taken against India...Coverage won't achieve anything just like Imran changing the political map..

So what? The reputation of a so called secular nation is down the drain. I guess for Hindutuva lovers it doesn't matter. It's good for Pakistan. For once the world has stopped blaming us for the phantom terrorism in Kashmir, and Indians whining fell on deaf years.

This soft power of a gandhi like India was all a lie. We knew it before, we are just glad everyone is also starting to realise it.

 

[Sirris]

Easy to say, but I don’t think either are viable options.

Proxy war is?

Both countries making nukes while the a significant portion of population is starving is?

Either swallow the pride and accept the defeat or have some courage and go all in.

Chest thumping and cheap shots are a waste of time for everyone.

 

[Sirris]

Your snide remarks show how clueless you are about the entire situation. The present government has managed to raise Kashmir, albeit aided by Modi, more than the previous 2 governments combined.

The fact you're saying 'Indians only care about the land' shows how clueless you are, as to us the land is the reason its a big thing. Kashmir is important due to the people but the biggest reason for its importance is strategic especially when it comes to water.

You're better of making threads about 'Pashtunistan' than real problems and issues which you have no idea on.

Great, present government raised the issue better than the previous ones, now what?

I care about the getting nearer to the solution than doing better than already low standard. Saying this government did better than previous one is like saying "I am 150 kg heavy obese person but at least I am still in a better shape than that 200 kg heavy guy."

Kashmir and it's people were never in a more worse off position than currently.

The militant activity in Kashmir was never in such as desperate situation as it is right now.

It's prime time to make a bold decision. Either support the militants openly and arm them properly or disengage completely from Kashmir.

As for the strategic reason for Kashmir's importance:

You do realize that if Pakistan and India weren't fighting over Kashmir they could have a cooperative relationship where the strategic assets of Kashmir could be divided between the two countries in a friendly and fair manner. On top of that no more wasting money on military bravado.

 

[Pakpak]

Great, present government raised the issue better than the previous ones, now what?

I care about the getting nearer to the solution than doing better than already low standard. Saying this government did better than previous one is like saying "I am 150 kg heavy obese person but at least I am still in a better shape than that 200 kg heavy guy."

Kashmir and it's people were never in a more worse off position than currently.

The militant activity in Kashmir was never in such as desperate situation as it is right now.

It's prime time to make a bold decision. Either support the militants openly and arm them properly or disengage completely from Kashmir.

As for the strategic reason for Kashmir's importance:

You do realize that if Pakistan and India weren't fighting over Kashmir they could have a cooperative relationship where the strategic assets of Kashmir could be divided between the two countries in a friendly and fair manner. On top of that no more wasting money on military bravado.

You keep on calling me clueless but the fact is you are too much of a kid to understand my high reasoning level and I did a favor to you for responding to you despite your childish manner to belittle, ridicule and shame me.

Ofcourse if we weren't over Kashmir it would be amazing for two countries to have peace, I have said it many times. Just as if the Arabs and Israelis weren't fighting there would be peace and prosperity. And if there wasn't corruption or cheating the world would not have hunger or crime.

When we move on from this utopian, fantasy, kumbalaya world of yours into the real world you'd understand the Kashmir issue was dead, gone and buried till Modi due to his foolishness and our government finally raised its voice. Soft power is a big thing and soft power or in our case lack of it is the reason why we have struggled to back ourselves infront of the world. Eroding India's soft power in the last year or so has been great for us in terms of new allies and improving our image.

 

[Pakpak]

Proxy war is?

Both countries making nukes while the a significant portion of population is starving is?

Either swallow the pride and accept the defeat or have some courage and go all in.

Chest thumping and cheap shots are a waste of time for everyone.

For any Pakistani government to let go of the Kashmir issue and cede it to India would result in civil war. The same goes for Indians too, without a proper treaty. Is it foolish? Yes it is. But that is the world we live in.

 

[Sirris]

Kashmir has never seen international coverage before like it is now. Even today BBC has a full feature on its main page about Indian brutalities.

Like I said, you're completely clueless. Maybe update your knowledge.

Great!

Can't wait for the world to boycott India and for the UN to intervene. Boy am I excited!

NOT!

Hey, last year both nuclear armed countries where on a brink of full scale war due to the Kashmir issue. If those serious events didn't make the world realize how important it is to solve the Kashmir conflict, I highly doubt one more documentary by BBC is going to be the turning point.

On the other hand, what's your solution?

Continue with the cheap shots for next 70 years?

 

[Pakpak]

Great!

Can't wait for the world to boycott India and for the UN to intervene. Boy am I excited!

NOT!

Hey, last year both nuclear armed countries where on a brink of full scale war due to the Kashmir issue. If those serious events didn't make the world realize how important it is to solve the Kashmir conflict, I highly doubt one more documentary by BBC is going to be the turning point.

On the other hand, what's your solution?

Continue with the cheap shots for next 70 years?

My solution is to force India to come to the table, by raising this issue again and again and the same time supporting rebels in Kashmir. With that we should improve our economy and with a better standing it would be easier to put pressure on India so the issue becomes such a nuisance that they are forced to the table. Is this ideal? No. But its all we have. Now if a better leader than Modi comes and is willing to talk then more can be done, I fully support Mush's 6 point solution. In my view that would solve this issue.

Your solution?

Oh yeah, hand it to them or risk nuclear war by going for it.

 

[Sirris]

For any Pakistani government to let go of the Kashmir issue and cede it to India would result in civil war. The same goes for Indians too, without a proper treaty. Is it foolish? Yes it is. But that is the world we live in.

Who is to blame for a potential civil war:

Yup, the politicians and failed leaders who have been antagonizing the population over the Kashmir issue and playing with our emotions.

It's high time these politicians and leaders are forced to be accountable for their failed strategies.

It's easy for you to say "lets continue the proxy war" while 95% of the militants killed are young Kashmiri youth and their houses destroyed. They don't even have proper weapons to fight back our leaders are too much of cowards to properly army them.

90s was the height of our proxy war in Kashmir, the militancy situation right now is a complete and utter failure. Even BLA and TTP inflict more damage to Pakistani army in a week than the Kashmiri militants have been able to manage the whole year.

I present real world solutions which may not be easy and require a lot of pride to swallow but they are the harsh reality. You are fooling yourself that some how improving our image is going to solve the Kashmir conflict.

 

[Pakpak]

Who is to blame for a potential civil war:

Yup, the politicians and failed leaders who have been antagonizing the population over the Kashmir issue and playing with our emotions.

It's high time these politicians and leaders are forced to be accountable for their failed strategies.

It's easy for you to say "lets continue the proxy war" while 95% of the militants killed are young Kashmiri youth and their houses destroyed. They don't even have proper weapons to fight back our leaders are too much of cowards to properly army them.

90s was the height of our proxy war in Kashmir, the militancy situation right now is a complete and utter failure. Even BLA and TTP inflict more damage to Pakistani army in a week than the Kashmiri militants have been able to manage the whole year.

I present real world solutions which may not be easy and require a lot of pride to swallow but they are the harsh reality. You are fooling yourself that some how improving our image is going to solve the Kashmir conflict.

Is there anything wrong with what you have posted? No. Every single decent human being would want that.

Is it realistic? No its not. You can keep going on about idealistic solutions but they will never work. No country or nation will sit back and suddenly say oh okay we have been barbaric let's be pals <3

You want solutions? Go read up Musharaf's solution. Which is the only workable realistic one.

 

[Sirris]

My solution is to force India to come to the table, by raising this issue again and again and the same time supporting rebels in Kashmir. With that we should improve our economy and with a better standing it would be easier to put pressure on India so the issue becomes such a nuisance that they are forced to the table. Is this ideal? No. But its all we have. Now if a better leader than Modi comes and is willing to talk then more can be done, I fully support Mush's 6 point solution. In my view that would solve this issue.

Your solution?

Oh yeah, hand it to them or risk nuclear war by going for it.

Kashmir has already been handed over to India since ages. That's the thing I am pointing out. I say swallow the pride and acknowledge it.

India has been doing since ages whatever it feel like doing in Kashmir.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kashmir has already been handed over to India since ages. That's the thing I am pointing out. I say swallow the pride and acknowledge it.

India has been doing since ages whatever it feel like doing in Kashmir.

Not sure where you get this version of history. Pakistan took control of nearly half of Kashmir from Indian occupation, not vice versa.

Your posts arent making any sense, so please tell us your solution?

 

[Pakpak]

Kashmir has already been handed over to India since ages. That's the thing I am pointing out. I say swallow the pride and acknowledge it.

India has been doing since ages whatever it feel like doing in Kashmir.

Kashmir cannot be handed to India without a treaty, esp due to water issues. You understand that right? Out of 220 million you will be the only one okay with letting India have Kashmir. Noone else would be. The government would be lynched on the streets.Kashmiris would also never ever forget it, that includes Azad Kashmir, do you think they will sit down and take this betrayal?

 

[Pakpak]

Not sure where you get this version of history. Pakistan took control of nearly half of Kashmir from Indian occupation, not vice versa.

Your posts arent making any sense, so please tell us your solution?

His solution is to hand Kashmir to India, give them the control to not only control our water but also handing them Kashmir would prevent us from ever raising the issue again. His second solution is taking it by force, resulting in a nuclear war.

 

[KingKhanWC]

His solution is to hand Kashmir to India, give them the control to not only control our water but also handing them Kashmir would prevent us from ever raising the issue again. His second solution is taking it by force, resulting in a nuclear war.

I assume these solutions to help the people of the land who are suffering now.

Option 1 - Allow Indians to ethnically cleanse them.

Option 2 - Nuke them.

Would make a good member in Modi's cabinet.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

So what? The reputation of a so called secular nation is down the drain. I guess for Hindutuva lovers it doesn't matter. It's good for Pakistan. For once the world has stopped blaming us for the phantom terrorism in Kashmir, and Indians whining fell on deaf years.

This soft power of a gandhi like India was all a lie. We knew it before, we are just glad everyone is also starting to realise it.

The world has stopped blaming Pakistan but still it is listed in the fatf grey list inspite of best efforts..on the other hand, India has seen billions of dollars investment pour into India in the last few months despite of covid..that is what matters..Soft power is this..

 

[JaDed]

Can't believe no "journalist" on both sides is asking about "Frontier" undefined? Maybe coz the question is for Xi?

 

[Pakpak]

The world has stopped blaming Pakistan but still it is listed in the fatf grey list inspite of best efforts..on the other hand, India has seen billions of dollars investment pour into India in the last few months despite of covid..that is what matters..Soft power is this..

Things are slowly changing, your economy is going down the drain thanks to the fascist in chief. The result of your magnificent soft power is that every single neighbor hates you and your allies which we hated have started mending their ties to us.

Long may Modi and hos ***** brigade remain in power

 

[Pakpak]

I assume these solutions to help the people of the land who are suffering now.

Option 1 - Allow Indians to ethnically cleanse them.

Option 2 - Nuke them.

Would make a good member in Modi's cabinet.

Its ridiculous I know, nothing works like that in the real world.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Things are slowly changing, your economy is going down the drain thanks to the fascist in chief. The result of your magnificent soft power is that every single neighbor hates you and your allies which we hated have started mending their ties to us.

Long may Modi and hos ***** brigade remain in power

Keep living in fool's paradise..Modi has been invited with a red carpet by all the major powers..he was honored with the highest civilian awards of their nation by Muslim nations...i already mentioned about billions of dollars of investment and jobs coming to India..On the other hand. Imran becomes a personal driver to Saudi prInce and others ...yet he is not as successful in bringing investments or jobs to Pakistan...India has flourishing relations with the US, Europe,Russia, Japan Australia and some Muslim counties too..these are relations that matter the most... i like your last sentence and will take it..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Keep living in fool's paradise..Modi has been invited with a red carpet by all the major powers..he was honored with the highest civilian awards of their nation by Muslim nations...i already mentioned about billions of dollars of investment and jobs coming to India..On the other hand. Imran becomes a personal driver to Saudi prInce and others ...yet he is not as successful in bringing investments or jobs to Pakistan...India has flourishing relations with the US, Europe,Russia, Japan Australia and some Muslim counties too..these are relations that matter the most... i like your last sentence and will take it..

Is Modi welcomed with open arms in Kashmir? India is a 3rd world nation and has been ever since the Muslims in power left. Hindus have turned it into a very poor, unclean and extremist nation.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Is Modi welcomed with open arms in Kashmir? India is a 3rd world nation and has been ever since the Muslims in power left. Hindus have turned it into a very poor, unclean and extremist nation.

Lol..this shows your frustration and ignorance..Only you can help yourself..i hope you get a better life and understanding of this world..

 

[Abdullah719]

Can’t believe no “journalist” on both sides is asking about “Frontier” undefined? Maybe coz the question is for Xi?

See the zoomed in image in post#10. The ‘clarification’ if you can call it that, is there.