[Picture/Video] U19 CWC West Indies mankad Zimbabwe to go through to QF [Update post #175]

[Shutdown Corner]

Dictionary definition of 'a cheat' : "A person who behaves dishonestly in order to gain an advantage."

For me slowing down your run up intentionally and then failing to enter your bowling action is acting dishonestly and to do so in order to take a wicket to get your team a win is clearly getting you an advantage. He wouldn't of stayed in his crease because he wouldn't expect the bowler to carry out this 'dishonest' practice.

He didnt noticebly slow his run up. If he had the batsmen would have expected the mankad. Its not the first time someone did a mankad.

 

[Big Mac]

That's not exactly true.

Soccer/Football has an unspoken rule about kicking the ball out if the opposing player is injured and the ref hasn't seen it. They could easily go and keep playing with the man advantage "legally" but they don't and it is frowned upon if they do keep playing.

In basketball, you don't run up the score in the last 24 seconds. Instead you hold the ball as it would be against the spirit of the game even though technically they could keep shooting and add to their personal point totals.

In baseball, you can't yell into someone's ear as you run the bases even though technically you can. It is frowned upon because you are purposely trying to distract them.

My point is every sport has unwritten rules and what is deemed to be "spirit of the game". WI players were allowed to do what they did, but it was incredibly poor and is the kind of thing that comes back to haunt when other teams start targeting you.

You're talking about unwritten rules.

What the Windies did is very much a written rule. It is an action expressly stated and permitted within the laws of the game. Talk of "unwritten rules" or "spirit of cricket" is misguided and serves only to obfuscate a matter which is otherwise very clear.

Stay.

In.

Your.

Crease.

 

[Junaids]

What exactly is the 'spirit of the game' and why does it exist? Cricket is the only sport in which someone can be criticised for legitimately playing by the laws of the game.

That's completely untrue.

In 1999, in football's FA Cup, Sheffield United kicked the ball out of play so that their team-mate Lee Morris could get medical aid.

Arsenal's Nwankwo Kanu then unsportingly used the resumption to create a goal for Marc Overmars, when the unwritten protocol was that the ball should have been returned to Sheffield United.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/ars-ne-wenger-offers-fa-cup-rematch

Sport isn't sporting if you follow the rules but not the spirit of the game.

So Arsene Wenger offered to play a replay.

 

[HitWicket]

He didnt noticebly slow his run up. If he had the batsmen would have expected the mankad. Its not the first time someone did a mankad.

Didn't notably, but still did so enough to kill the very small amount of time for him to just leave his crease.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I'm sorry but this is disgraceful, the guy wasnt trying to gain an unfair advantage and was millimetres out if even out.

Yes its within the rules so I'm not gonna blame the WI, gotta do what you gotta do to win, but its a shocking way to end a great match.

Rules on this need to be clarified, as it is a team could theoretically go for a mankad every single delivery of a game without punishment.

I get both arguments tbh, Zimbo was technically out of the crease and the WI bowler had absolutely zero intention of ever bowling that delivery, but winning in this fashion just feels inherently wrong.

At the end of the day we were robbed of a great last over and cricket ultimately lost.

And this sort of thing wouldn't happen if batsmen didn't feel they could cheat without consequence due to all this outrage any time they are punished.

I am glad it was done in a high-profile situation and I hope to God that just one day, a team walks out with the goal of Mankading every batsman who habitually backs up. Just that one day will cure this problem because it will make batsmen realize they can control this problem by staying in the crease and not cheating.

 

[#GreenRoars]

You're talking about unwritten rules.

What the Windies did is very much a written rule. It is an action expressly stated and permitted within the laws of the game. Talk of "unwritten rules" or "spirit of cricket" is misguided and serves only to obfuscate a matter which is otherwise very clear.

Stay.

In.

Your.

Crease.

Simple logic, don't know why people can't get it.

 

[LongHorn]

Yes the batsman was a bit clumsy, but he got run out by a few inches which means he didn't have any intention of sneaking a yard or two like some senior cricketers do.

Few inches? More like an inch or 2...

 

[leatherface58]

Whinging Poms getting worked up as usual. )

 

[carrom_ball]

I don't know why everyone cries about mankading, if it is so against the spirit of the game then why make such a rule in the first place, if it is a legitimate way of getting a wicket then it should be used, nothing wrong in it

 

[HitWicket]

I don't know why everyone cries about mankading, if it is so against the spirit of the game then why make such a rule in the first place, if it is a legitimate way of getting a wicket then it should be used, nothing wrong in it

I think you'll find most people don't mind mankads in the manner they usually occur. Just the way the bowler went about this one in particular.

 

[aniket1911]

That is the problem, since "everyone" does it so no one cares about those other things, Mankading has been marketed as this evil thing, so everyone seem to fall for it. It is how marketing work, this is why people buy stupid Iphones, Beats by Dre and etc. It has been told to you that it is evil therefore everyone makes a big deal out if it. No one uses brain. It is not justifying to say "everyone does it ".

Agreed it's not, but to point out other wrong things in cricket like "bats with extra meat" to justify this thing is not an apt thing to do either.

Actually it's good that this happen. Will shake some whiskers of those lardaceous ICC lawmakers and will compel them make some necessary change in the law

 

[Shayan]

That's completely untrue.

In 1999, in football's FA Cup, Sheffield United kicked the ball out of play so that their team-mate Lee Morris could get medical aid.

Arsenal's Nwankwo Kanu then unsportingly used the resumption to create a goal for Marc Overmars, when the unwritten protocol was that the ball should have been returned to Sheffield United.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/ars-ne-wenger-offers-fa-cup-rematch

Sport isn't sporting if you follow the rules but not the spirit of the game.

So Arsene Wenger offered to play a replay.

I'm aware of that incident - and as mentioned earlier there are unwritten things in other sports which are "frowned upon".

However, the reason "mankading" is specifically legislated for in the cricket laws is that it relies on an error from the batsman upon which the fielding side can capitalise (as with any other dismissal).

The "spirit" point seems to apply in sport where one side can gain an advantage that the other side can do nothing about e.g. your example above. That is clearly not the case with mankading.

 

[MABA]

I believe mankading should be an integral part of cricket, bowling sides need as much advantage as they can now a days. It will be like how in baseball the runner tries to steal the base and the picter throws to get him out.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Agreed it's not, but to point out other wrong things in cricket like "bats with extra meat" to justify this thing is not an apt thing to do either.

Actually it's good that this happen. Will shake some whiskers of those lardaceous ICC lawmakers and will compel them make some necessary change in the law

The last time this controversy happened, the thing they did was to expressly clarify that this is OK and not against spirit.

They don't have a problem with it.

 

[Abdul]

Windies coach defends 'Mankad'

West Indies coach Dwain Gill on Friday defended a controversial run-out at the ICC Under-19 World Cup which sparked a furore on social media, saying the "Mankad" was well within the rules.

Zimbabwe needed only three runs in the final over with one wicket in hand in Tuesday's game in the Bangladesh city of Chittagong when Keemo Paul ran Richard Ngarava out without entering his delivery stride, scuppering the African minnows' hopes of a surprise place in the quarterfinals.

The umpires, who initially did not give the decision, asked the West Indies players if they wanted to uphold the appeal and after receiving confirmation, the matter was referred to the third umpire which confirmed that Ngarava's bat was not behind the line.

Such a dismissal is popularly known as "Mankading" in cricket referring to Indian left-arm spinner Vinoo Mankad, who dismissed Australian batsman Bill Brown twice in such a fashion in 1947.

"I mean, a law is a law, right?" Gill told AFP when asked for a comment on the controversy ahead of his team's quarterfinal clash against Pakistan on Monday.

But Australian coach Darren Lehmann, England one-day international captain Eoin Morgan and former New Zealand captain Stephen Fleming led a chorus of outrage against the dismissal, labelling the West Indies' actions "disgraceful" on Twitter.
"This is not a good look. absolutely disgraceful behaviour!!" Fleming posted on the microblogging site.

"Disgraceful behaviour in the U19CWC. WI's should be embarrassed!!" Morgan tweeted.

But some former players and coaches defended the "Mankad".

"If it is in the rule book it is all about personal decision making," Bangladesh coach Chandika Hathurusinghe told AFP on Friday.

The International Cricket Council refused to make any comment on dismissal but referred to a statement its cricket committee chief Anil Kumble made in 2014.

"The Law strikes a sensible balance between preventing a batsman from gaining an advantage while at the same time preventing the bowler from unfairly seducing the batsman into leaving his crease by faking to deliver and then holding on to the ball," that statement said.
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http://www.supersport.com/cricket/under19-world-cup/news/160205/Windies_coach_defends_Mankad

 

[minamino]

Look at the reaction here. Sada kutta kutta, tuwada kutta tommy?