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Who are the 6 LH batsmen? Are they including Starc and Hazlewood?
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Got it. So they haven’t watered it which means over time it could get drier than the other side if they leave it that way.The surface at the moment based on the above picture looks different outside the off stump of the left-handers.
Did India doctor the pitches when they toured AUS the last 2 times? This AUS team is not the 90s n 2000s one which was packed with legends. So no need to go out of their way to produce desired results.
Vikrant Gupta first reported this using a white board in his show
Who are the 6 LH batsmen? Are they including Starc and Hazlewood?
Its about making it easier for right handers and harder for left handers on purpose to gain some sort of advantage for me that's a red flag of doctoring.
So now if any pitch have more Grass in patch means its doctoring .
balls don't swing because there's grass in the area where they land.
Seems like a fairly standard spin-friendly track that you get in India. Wouldn't even call it a rank turner.
It's not even a huge turning track and nothing special in pitch.
Aus just batted poorly.
India are a just a better team in these conditions
We already defeated Australia in Australia twice. So please came out of "these condition " theory .
We already defeated Australia in Australia twice. So please came out of "these condition " theory .
Rohit made 161 on day 1 with 4.9 degree turn. Australia hardly had anything remotely close to those turning pitches.
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for all the discussion & articles about the rough patch outside the lefthanders' off stump, hardly any dismissals from that area.
Rohit made 161 on day 1 with 4.9 degree turn. Australia hardly had anything remotely close to those turning pitches.
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I personally think wickets upfront by Shami and Siraj in first 2 overs pushed Aussies on backfoot on day 1. They just didn't think of that could happen to them. After that India were always ahead in the game with no recovery possible.
Rohit made 161 on day 1 with 4.9 degree turn. Australia hardly had anything remotely close to those turning pitches.
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Too many pundits and fans make generalizations based on a single misleading metric and then establish narratives based on their own bias.
Average degrees of turn cannot, in isolation, be used to judge how tough a wicket is.
The toughest wicket we had in the last 2 years was that Ahmedabad pink ball test and the turn was similar to the 1st test vs NZ.
Yet, 1 was one of the shortest Tests of all time and the other couldn't produce a result in 5 days.
The pace, pace variation, bounce, bounce variation and even the natural degree of spin variation has massive impact in how tough it is to face spin in general.
In Ahmedabad despite less average turn, the ball was skidding on rapidly and the odd one was ragging square and others were skidding onto the stumps with no turn and at high pace.
On the other hand, a wicket which turns big every ball butcomes off slower and more consistently predictably off the pitch will neither threaten the stumps nor will it create false shots.
India uses different cricket ball. SG ball. It turns and bounce due to its more pronounced seam. Duke also has that behavior. Kookaburra ball has low seam. SG ball survives a lot longer. It is handstitched. Even for 90 overs it can remain intact. Australia indeed practiced on a far worse dug up pitch with SG ball against local spinners. But apparently not enough.
Too many pundits and fans make generalizations based on a single misleading metric and then establish narratives based on their own bias.
Average degrees of turn cannot, in isolation, be used to judge how tough a wicket is.
The toughest wicket we had in the last 2 years was that Ahmedabad pink ball test and the turn was similar to the 1st test vs NZ.
Yet, 1 was one of the shortest Tests of all time and the other couldn't produce a result in 5 days.
The pace, pace variation, bounce, bounce variation and even the natural degree of spin variation has massive impact in how tough it is to face spin in general.
In Ahmedabad despite less average turn, the ball was skidding on rapidly and the odd one was ragging square and others were skidding onto the stumps with no turn and at high pace.
On the other hand, a wicket which turns big every ball butcomes off slower and more consistently predictably off the pitch will neither threaten the stumps nor will it create false shots.
Rohit made 161 on day 1 with 4.9 degree turn. Australia hardly had anything remotely close to those turning pitches.
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India actually have the seamers for English conditions. Oval is typically flat so will favour India.
Should be a cracking match though a series is really needed to give the proper merit
I mean I don't know about that. The SG Ball has been under the scanner numerous times. Kohli and Ashwin have put the quality of the ball into question more than once. And the criticism seems to revolve around the fact that it deteriorates very quickly.
As for Australia, I don't think you can replicate conditions, which is what they seemed to be trying in Sydney a couple of weeks ago. When teams play in India, it isn't just the ball or the pitch. It's the atmosphere, the weather, the quality of the spin-bowling. Facing all those things together, that's the challenge.
I also refuse to believe that they were able to replicate the kind of pitches you get in India, at the SCG. For one thing, the soil in India is completely unique to it and different from anything you get elsewhere in the sub-continent even. I highly much doubt that scuffing up that flat SCG road would have given them anything close to an Indian pitch.
Former Kaptaan and Ashwin complained about softness of that batch SG ball because it was atypical. Duke and SG are far superior to Kookaburra in terms of their longevity.
They didn't just complain about the softness. They also said that deteriorated badly in condition and the stitching opened up long before there was even time to take the new-ball. There was another instance in 2018 when Kohli complained that it got badly scuffed up by the fifth over.
I get the idea behind using the SG ball. It has a more pronounced seam, loses it shine quicker but clearly it is far more perfect. And certainly not as good as the Dukes ball.
They didn't just complain about the softness. They also said that deteriorated badly in condition and the stitching opened up long before there was even time to take the new-ball. There was another instance in 2018 when Kohli complained that it got badly scuffed up by the fifth over.
I get the idea behind using the SG ball. It has a more pronounced seam, loses it shine quicker but clearly it is far more perfect. And certainly not as good as the Dukes ball.
There was complain about SG balls for 2 seasons after that they made changes and its fine.
Dukes ball needed to be changed multiple times in test matches last year in England. Some say it went to double digits in some tests.
Dukes ball needed to be changed multiple times in test matches last year in England
Are you seriously going to compare a ball that has been used for hundreds of years and is universally accepted by players as 'the best ball' for test cricket, to the SG ball?
The SG ball is great, and is the best fit for sub-continental conditions.
Pakistan should stop using the Kookaburra among other changes to the way they conduct home test matches.
Probably because it was bludgeoned to all parts of the ground by England's batters.
Tbh I think the Dukes ball is the best fit for Pakistani conditions. Pitches in Pakistan (when they are sporting) offer alot to seamers, especially reverse swing. I have no idea why they don't switch to it. Makes very little sense to use the Kookaburra ball in these conditions.
Tbh I think the Dukes ball is the best fit for Pakistani conditions. Pitches in Pakistan (when they are sporting) offer alot to seamers, especially reverse swing. I have no idea why they don't switch to it. Makes very little sense to use the Kookaburra ball in these conditions.
India tried using Dukes in early 80s. The ball didnt last and then India shifted to locally made balls again.
Kookaburra has less pronounced seam. It is just an useless ball in subcontinent Not sure why Srilanka is playing with that.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] now tell me how this is pitch doctoring as both Indian left-handed batsman batting very well .or its was usual whining from you?
Australia has 5 left arm batsman in their first 7 to bat, so the curator made a dustbowl only for the left handed batters. Light on the right-hand side, which shows that the pitch has not been watered
This is the pitch where India vs Australia will take place on:
This is clear cheating. Now will ICC issue points against the pitch?
Selective watering and spot preparing is probably too much. Common why make it harder for left handers than right handers? I mean WTH.
I dont understand why India are so desperate to doctor the pitches? they have a good chance of winning the series anyway. I would understand if someone like Pakistan were doctoring the pitches this style wouldn't still be right.
Lulz.
Maybe stop selectively watering the pitch for left handers?
Its about making it easier for right handers and harder for left handers on purpose to gain some sort of advantage for me that's a red flag of doctoring.
Watching India run Australia ragged on a classical sub-continental turner just makes me laugh at Pakistan's incompetence. We lost at home to these guys who couldn't play spin if their lives depended on it.
Pakistan should have simply given turning tracks. I don't know why Pakistan wanted draws from the get go.
People deciding how a pitch will play based on photos taken from the press box the day before a Test will always be funny.
Ausi's psyched themselves out before the match even began. Their media too played big part in it. England made the same mistake last time they toured.
Ashwin Jadeja twin impact is scary proposition on these types of pitches. A generation back Kumble Harbhajan combo created similar impact.
Ausi's psyched themselves out before the match even began. Their media too played big part in it. England made the same mistake last time they toured.
Ashwin Jadeja twin impact is scary proposition on these types of pitches. A generation back Kumble Harbhajan combo created similar impact.
The current Indian pitches are absolute joke, fine they can win but this is no legacy, nothing to remember about. Any Indian spinner who plays on such pitches will end up with similar stats to the duo.
Gems like this post makes me wish India still played test cricket with Pakistan.
Not every Indian can be delusional like you, i know that this team accomplishment baring the series victory against Australia is nothing to talk about. Easiest retort when lacking substance is to call me Pakistani.
Harbhajan and Kumble didn't create impact even close to what Ashwin and Jadeja are doing and that's because pitches in those days were flat and only seldom doctored. In 34 matches they played together in India, they won 14 and drew 14. Had those played most of their matches on the pitches where Ashwin/Jadeja are bowling, Kumble would have finished with 200 more wickets. The current Indian pitches are absolute joke, fine they can win but this is no legacy, nothing to remember about. Any Indian spinner who plays on such pitches will end up with similar stats to the duo. Look at Axar, who we couldn't get to bowl even against Bangladesh in T20 wc is having an average of 14 in Indian test matches.
They have moved on to new fake controversy which was also shut down. Waiting for FOX cricket to come up with another conspiracy theory.