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[PICTURES] Accusations of 'pitch doctoring' emerge ahead of the 1st Test between India and Australia

Saj said:
The surface at the moment based on the above picture looks different outside the off stump of the left-handers.
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Got it. So they haven’t watered it which means over time it could get drier than the other side if they leave it that way.
 
ex-q-zit said:
Did India doctor the pitches when they toured AUS the last 2 times? This AUS team is not the 90s n 2000s one which was packed with legends. So no need to go out of their way to produce desired results.
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No Indian team is good and they can win without doctoring the pitches. But this is not the point if the conversation.
 
Rajdeep said:
Vikrant Gupta first reported this using a white board in his show :))
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no. it was bharat sundaresan (cricviz journo) who first tweeted about this with pictures of pitch too. vikrant & his white board thing was done a good few minutes later with all the buildup and hype. i've watched it and was laughing why so much hype for something which is all over twitter.
 
Pre excitement of India- Aus test series as usual is awesome!
 
I wish someone sent a video of a dug up pitch and people hastily trying to fill it up to the Aussie media :-D
I still remember Kohli responding to a reporter saying we're not here to talk about the pitches and that we need to be good enough to perform on any pitch given to us. And then I laughed when I saw Smith's conference literally whining how much spin the pitch would possibly take! That's the difference between Kohli and Smith, nothing to do with how many runs they end up scoring.
Dig 'em up - we are expected to play on green mambas when we go to Aus, NZ etc. and we'll dish out what we want - it's our prerogative as the home team. Suck it up!
 
BreadPakoda said:
Who are the 6 LH batsmen? Are they including Starc and Hazlewood?
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Khwaja
Warner
Head
Renshaw/Hansdcomb at 6( if it is Renshaw then a lefty since Green is out)
Carey

So, 5 LH in top 7. Marnus and Steve are guaranteed.

Aston Agar is a lefty and will also be there, he can bat more than just a bit so at 8 and Starc at 9. Hazelwood is injured. Cummins and Lyon will be 10 and 11. Most likely it will be Handscomb at 6 but let's see.
 
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Pakhs said:
Its about making it easier for right handers and harder for left handers on purpose to gain some sort of advantage for me that's a red flag of doctoring.
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Its same like green pitch for Pacers to assist more.
 
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Seems like a fairly standard spin-friendly track that you get in India. Wouldn't even call it a rank turner.
 
It's not even a huge turning track and nothing special in pitch.

Aus just batted poorly.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Seems like a fairly standard spin-friendly track that you get in India. Wouldn't even call it a rank turner.
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India uses different cricket ball. SG ball. It turns and bounce due to its more pronounced seam. Duke also has that behavior. Kookaburra ball has low seam. SG ball survives a lot longer. It is handstitched. Even for 90 overs it can remain intact. Australia indeed practiced on a far worse dug up pitch with SG ball against local spinners. But apparently not enough.
 
Buffet said:
It's not even a huge turning track and nothing special in pitch.

Aus just batted poorly.
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They wasted it after winning the toss. Khawaja is one of the better player of spin. Losing him first ball was a major set back for them. Warner even at his peak didn't do much in India. Averaging mere 22 here. But Usman in prime form. Got a peach upfront.
 
Now the all talk about doctoring pitch is quite. Perfect pace and spin friendly test match pitch. Australians played very poorly and good bowling by jadeja
 
Devadwal said:
We already defeated Australia in Australia twice. So please came out of "these condition " theory .
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Did I say mention anything about India not being better than Australia in Australia.
 
for all the discussion & articles about the rough patch outside the lefthanders' off stump, hardly any dismissals from that area.
 
Australia’s morning and groaning would have had a shred of credibility had they not got spanked at home by India two times in a row.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rohit made 161 on day 1 with 4.9 degree turn. Australia hardly had anything remotely close to those turning pitches.

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Aussies definitely look like fools now for creating brouhaha over nothing. This pitch had the least turn in the last couple of years - and still they collapsed. Tells you that you don’t need rank turners to push them up the wall them, just simple good spin will do.
 
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This can be a low scoring match not because of the pitch but the spin playing prowess of current batsmen.
 
I personally think wickets upfront by Shami and Siraj in first 2 overs pushed Aussies on backfoot on day 1. They just didn't think of that could happen to them. After that India were always ahead in the game with no recovery possible.
 
SamNJ said:
I personally think wickets upfront by Shami and Siraj in first 2 overs pushed Aussies on backfoot on day 1. They just didn't think of that could happen to them. After that India were always ahead in the game with no recovery possible.
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Specifically Khawaja. He is supposedly better player against spin. He as a left hander would have complemented well with Marnus. They had to protect their undercooked middle order. So they had to play cautiously for a substatnailly long period
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rohit made 161 on day 1 with 4.9 degree turn. Australia hardly had anything remotely close to those turning pitches.

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Too many pundits and fans make generalizations based on a single misleading metric and then establish narratives based on their own bias.

Average degrees of turn cannot, in isolation, be used to judge how tough a wicket is.

The toughest wicket we had in the last 2 years was that Ahmedabad pink ball test and the turn was similar to the 1st test vs NZ.

Yet, 1 was one of the shortest Tests of all time and the other couldn't produce a result in 5 days.

The pace, pace variation, bounce, bounce variation and even the natural degree of spin variation has massive impact in how tough it is to face spin in general.

In Ahmedabad despite less average turn, the ball was skidding on rapidly and the odd one was ragging square and others were skidding onto the stumps with no turn and at high pace.

On the other hand, a wicket which turns big every ball butcomes off slower and more consistently predictably off the pitch will neither threaten the stumps nor will it create false shots.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Too many pundits and fans make generalizations based on a single misleading metric and then establish narratives based on their own bias.

Average degrees of turn cannot, in isolation, be used to judge how tough a wicket is.

The toughest wicket we had in the last 2 years was that Ahmedabad pink ball test and the turn was similar to the 1st test vs NZ.

Yet, 1 was one of the shortest Tests of all time and the other couldn't produce a result in 5 days.

The pace, pace variation, bounce, bounce variation and even the natural degree of spin variation has massive impact in how tough it is to face spin in general.

In Ahmedabad despite less average turn, the ball was skidding on rapidly and the odd one was ragging square and others were skidding onto the stumps with no turn and at high pace.

On the other hand, a wicket which turns big every ball butcomes off slower and more consistently predictably off the pitch will neither threaten the stumps nor will it create false shots.
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Unpredictable factors are common for both sides. But this accusation of preparing turners for Ashwin against left handers go out of the window given how much turn was there. Ashwin had the highest average turn yesterday. that was only 3 degree.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India uses different cricket ball. SG ball. It turns and bounce due to its more pronounced seam. Duke also has that behavior. Kookaburra ball has low seam. SG ball survives a lot longer. It is handstitched. Even for 90 overs it can remain intact. Australia indeed practiced on a far worse dug up pitch with SG ball against local spinners. But apparently not enough.
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I mean I don't know about that. The SG Ball has been under the scanner numerous times. Kohli and Ashwin have put the quality of the ball into question more than once. And the criticism seems to revolve around the fact that it deteriorates very quickly.

As for Australia, I don't think you can replicate conditions, which is what they seemed to be trying in Sydney a couple of weeks ago. When teams play in India, it isn't just the ball or the pitch. It's the atmosphere, the weather, the quality of the spin-bowling. Facing all those things together, that's the challenge.

I also refuse to believe that they were able to replicate the kind of pitches you get in India, at the SCG. For one thing, the soil in India is completely unique to it and different from anything you get elsewhere in the sub-continent even. I highly much doubt that scuffing up that flat SCG road would have given them anything close to an Indian pitch.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Too many pundits and fans make generalizations based on a single misleading metric and then establish narratives based on their own bias.

Average degrees of turn cannot, in isolation, be used to judge how tough a wicket is.

The toughest wicket we had in the last 2 years was that Ahmedabad pink ball test and the turn was similar to the 1st test vs NZ.

Yet, 1 was one of the shortest Tests of all time and the other couldn't produce a result in 5 days.

The pace, pace variation, bounce, bounce variation and even the natural degree of spin variation has massive impact in how tough it is to face spin in general.

In Ahmedabad despite less average turn, the ball was skidding on rapidly and the odd one was ragging square and others were skidding onto the stumps with no turn and at high pace.

On the other hand, a wicket which turns big every ball butcomes off slower and more consistently predictably off the pitch will neither threaten the stumps nor will it create false shots.
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Agreed. But you are comparing a Pink ball test with a regular test. Pink ball is an entirely different beast - difficult to spot, comes on skiddy & wild swings in dusk conditions etc. That is a flawed comparison to prove your point.

But even with that, that has no bearing on the present test. The argument Australians were making of doctored pitch causing massive turns against left handlers doesnt hold true as there wasn’t much turn in the pitch as the graph shows. Nobody is saying anything about the difficulty - yes, the pitch wasn’t easy to negotiate as there was low bounce & ball wasnt coming on easily to the bat. But there was no variability in bounce or turn & hence a massive egg on the face of the Aussies.
 
Australia legend Ricky Ponting has given his take on the much-debated Nagpur pitch after Australia were bundled out for 177, and has revealed what first gave him the impression the series would be a “nightmare” for Australia.

The pitch debate

There were quite a few comments on the pitch for the Nagpur Test from former and current players and Ponting believed preparing turning wickets was India’s best chance of beating Australia.

“I expected today's wicket to play like it has. I got a look at it like everyone did a few days ago, and that's when all the talk started about the surface. But India's best chance of beating Australia is to prepare turning wickets. One, because our batsmen will find it difficult, but also because they would think that their spin bowlers are better than Australia's as well.

“And the fact that Australia are playing the two right-arm off-spinners here, one of those guys on debut. That's definitely where India have the advantage. So I can understand why it's worked out that way.”

However, Ponting added that in Australia, the players or Cricket Australia didn’t have a say on the sort of pitches they wanted.

“The only difference I guess with somewhere like India to Australia is, I know in Australia the players actually have no say over how the wickets are prepared at all,” he said.

“Unless things have changed the last couple of years, when I was playing, and certainly after I'd finished, the captains or anyone from Cricket Australia never even spoke to the groundsmen. You just left it up to the groundsmen to prepare the best wicket that they could.

“The beauty of playing Test match cricket in Australia is every venue's wicket is vastly different. Perth and Brisbane are two of the faster, bouncier wickets in Australia, where you understand the ball's going to swing and seem a little bit.

“Then you get Melbourne and Sydney, they're a little bit different. Melbourne's always been a little bit slower and Adelaide has been the place where you've played the pink-ball Test the last six or seven years. So you get different conditions there as well.”

India chose to go with KL Rahul at the top of the order alongside skipper Rohit Sharma, and Suryakumar Yadav was handed a debut in the middle-order. It left no room for the in-form Shubman Gill in the XI and Ponting thought that it was an “interesting” choice by India.

“Shubman’s obviously coming in red-hot form,” he said. “Everything he's done lately in the white-ball game has been quite remarkable. We saw him in Australia a couple of summers ago and he played really well, and looked at home most of the time in Australian conditions.”

Ponting, however, quickly pointed out that Rahul too was a high-quality Test match batter and that the decision could have been about who plays spin better.

Spinners help India take centre stage: How opening day of Nagpur Test played out
“If India were thinking the same way as Australia, then they're probably looking at who their best players of spin are, and particularly with what Australia had coming into the game, I think everyone probably felt that they were going to play the two right-arm off-spinners.

“It could even be as simple as that. What does Shubman Gill average against the ball spinning in and what does KL Rahul average against the ball spinning in?”

“I think when you get in conditions like this and you, and you're starting to look at numbers, and strengths and weaknesses, I think you have to dig really deep to make sure you are picking the right players for the right game.”


Jadeja’s return to Test cricket

Ravindra Jadeja was the hero for India on day one with his 11th five-wicket haul in Test cricket. The left-arm spinner dismissed Labuschagne and Smith, arguably the two best batters in the visiting side, and then wrapped up the lower order to finish with impressive figures of 5/47.

“Because of how he [Jadeja] bowls on those sort of wickets – the pace that he bowls, the line that he bowls to right-handers in particular, where he is pitching the ball on the stumps all the time, and one would turn and one will slide on, like we saw, with the dismissal of Steven Smith today.

“I mean they're two identical deliveries. One just happened to turn and the other one went straight on and went back through the gate and bowled him.”

The former Australian skipper said that he knew Australia were in for a “nightmare” after seeing Jadeja take a seven-wicket haul on his return to Ranji Trophy cricket for Saurashtra a week ahead of the Test match.

“As the series goes on, if his body holds up and he can get through the four Test matches, I think he could very well be the leading wicket-taker in this entire series.”

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India actually have the seamers for English conditions. Oval is typically flat so will favour India.

Should be a cracking match though a series is really needed to give the proper merit
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
India actually have the seamers for English conditions. Oval is typically flat so will favour India.

Should be a cracking match though a series is really needed to give the proper merit
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Any WTC is joke format with only one final.

For me , away series counts when it comes to judging teams as long as series is at least 3 tests.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I mean I don't know about that. The SG Ball has been under the scanner numerous times. Kohli and Ashwin have put the quality of the ball into question more than once. And the criticism seems to revolve around the fact that it deteriorates very quickly.

As for Australia, I don't think you can replicate conditions, which is what they seemed to be trying in Sydney a couple of weeks ago. When teams play in India, it isn't just the ball or the pitch. It's the atmosphere, the weather, the quality of the spin-bowling. Facing all those things together, that's the challenge.

I also refuse to believe that they were able to replicate the kind of pitches you get in India, at the SCG. For one thing, the soil in India is completely unique to it and different from anything you get elsewhere in the sub-continent even. I highly much doubt that scuffing up that flat SCG road would have given them anything close to an Indian pitch.
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Former Kaptaan and Ashwin complained about softness of that batch SG ball because it was atypical. Duke and SG are far superior to Kookaburra in terms of their longevity.
 
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JattMaula said:
Former Kaptaan and Ashwin complained about softness of that batch SG ball because it was atypical. Duke and SG are far superior to Kookaburra in terms of their longevity.
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They didn't just complain about the softness. They also said that deteriorated badly in condition and the stitching opened up long before there was even time to take the new-ball. There was another instance in 2018 when Kohli complained that it got badly scuffed up by the fifth over.

I get the idea behind using the SG ball. It has a more pronounced seam, loses it shine quicker but clearly it is far more perfect. And certainly not as good as the Dukes ball.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
They didn't just complain about the softness. They also said that deteriorated badly in condition and the stitching opened up long before there was even time to take the new-ball. There was another instance in 2018 when Kohli complained that it got badly scuffed up by the fifth over.

I get the idea behind using the SG ball. It has a more pronounced seam, loses it shine quicker but clearly it is far more perfect. And certainly not as good as the Dukes ball.
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I like Duke ball better too.

But India should keep playing with SG. 3 cricket balls and 3 cricketing culture. Balanced.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
They didn't just complain about the softness. They also said that deteriorated badly in condition and the stitching opened up long before there was even time to take the new-ball. There was another instance in 2018 when Kohli complained that it got badly scuffed up by the fifth over.

I get the idea behind using the SG ball. It has a more pronounced seam, loses it shine quicker but clearly it is far more perfect. And certainly not as good as the Dukes ball.
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There was complain about SG balls for 2 seasons after that they made changes and its fine.

Dukes ball needed to be changed multiple times in test matches last year in England. Some say it went to double digits in some tests.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Are you seriously going to compare a ball that has been used for hundreds of years and is universally accepted by players as 'the best ball' for test cricket, to the SG ball?
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The SG ball is great, and is the best fit for sub-continental conditions.

Pakistan should stop using the Kookaburra among other changes to the way they conduct home test matches.
 
Varun said:
The SG ball is great, and is the best fit for sub-continental conditions.

Pakistan should stop using the Kookaburra among other changes to the way they conduct home test matches.
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Tbh I think the Dukes ball is the best fit for Pakistani conditions. Pitches in Pakistan (when they are sporting) offer alot to seamers, especially reverse swing. I have no idea why they don't switch to it. Makes very little sense to use the Kookaburra ball in these conditions.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Probably because it was bludgeoned to all parts of the ground by England's batters.
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Nope.

Cricket balls are hardy items, expected to stand up to the toil of being bowled down a pitch, thrashed by willow bats, rubbed, scuffed and made wet as they are tossed about the field.

Yet in 2022, in the County Championship, something has changed with the classic Dukes ball. They are losing their shape, rapidly.

During Durham's recent match in Chester-le-Street there were 11 unscheduled ball changes during a four-day game with Glamorgan, including five in one day.

In a first-class match, the fielding side starts each innings with a new ball which is meant to be used for 80 overs before being replaced.

Umpires and players say they have not come across such an issue for a long time with the brand.

It's not just happened to Durham either, it's been happening across the county game.

And, clubs have been struggling to get hold of replacements. There has been a meeting with the England and Wales Cricket Board to try to get to the bottom of the matter.

It has been claimed the seams around the balls have been altered this year and that has led to them weakening.

However, Dilip Jajodia, the businessman who owns British Cricket Balls Limited - the firm which manufactures Dukes balls - says this is not the case.

"We were not aware of any issues until events started to happen during play," he told BBC Radio Newcastle.

"We only become aware when clubs start to report back to us and then we have to investigate what may have caused the situation. That could be one of many things.

"We have a tracing system. Every ball has a number on it and we can go back and see when it was made and which batch of materials was used. We were asked by the ECB to make balls lighter in colour.

"I don't know if that means different chemicals are now being used which are having an effect on the leather. We need to speak to the tanneries about this. They are small companies and are still recovering from the effects of Covid."

Read more at:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61712345?
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Tbh I think the Dukes ball is the best fit for Pakistani conditions. Pitches in Pakistan (when they are sporting) offer alot to seamers, especially reverse swing. I have no idea why they don't switch to it. Makes very little sense to use the Kookaburra ball in these conditions.
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Kookaburra has less pronounced seam. It is just an useless ball in subcontinent Not sure why Srilanka is playing with that.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Tbh I think the Dukes ball is the best fit for Pakistani conditions. Pitches in Pakistan (when they are sporting) offer alot to seamers, especially reverse swing. I have no idea why they don't switch to it. Makes very little sense to use the Kookaburra ball in these conditions.
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India tried using Dukes in early 80s. The ball didnt last and then India shifted to locally made balls again.
 
cricketjoshila said:
India tried using Dukes in early 80s. The ball didnt last and then India shifted to locally made balls again.
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If it doesn't get damaged too badly, I can understand the use of the SG ball in India. It is tailor-made for those conditions.

Pitches in Pakistan though aren't as dusty though. The soil is quite different. I doubt Pakistan is even capable of producing a dust bowl or a rank-turner.
 
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Kookaburra has less pronounced seam. It is just an useless ball in subcontinent Not sure why Srilanka is playing with that.
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Yeah Sri Lanka using that ball makes zero sense. Especially since pitches there play more similarly to Indian pitches than any other kind of pitches.
 
It was a mind game more than anything else. So far not a single wicket has fallen from the ball pitching in that area.
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] now tell me how this is pitch doctoring as both Indian left-handed batsman batting very well .or its was usual whining from you?
 
Jadeja and Axar Patel - both left-handers - showing how difficult this pitch is. #Sarcasm

I wonder if the Australians have 3 better excuses lined up for each of the remaining tests.
 
Devadwal said:
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] now tell me how this is pitch doctoring as both Indian left-handed batsman batting very well .or its was usual whining from you?
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Unfortunately, Australia don't have an exceptional spinning talent like Abrar Ahmed. :inti
 
4 out of Aus top 7 lefties on day1 put together scored 38 runs.Jadeja and Axar both lefties combined together have scored 100 runs so far on day2 that too batting low down the order.Wasn’t there a lot of speculation on the pitch being doctored to make life difficult to lefties?
 
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Pitch has been doctored to favor Jadeja, or is it that gel he used.
 
Jadeja+Axar scored more than Smith+Labuscagne on a pitch that was said to be doctored.
 
Major said:
Australia has 5 left arm batsman in their first 7 to bat, so the curator made a dustbowl only for the left handed batters. Light on the right-hand side, which shows that the pitch has not been watered

This is the pitch where India vs Australia will take place on:

This is clear cheating. Now will ICC issue points against the pitch?
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Pakhs said:
Selective watering and spot preparing is probably too much. Common why make it harder for left handers than right handers? I mean WTH.

I dont understand why India are so desperate to doctor the pitches? they have a good chance of winning the series anyway. I would understand if someone like Pakistan were doctoring the pitches this style wouldn't still be right.
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Marooned said:
Lulz.

Maybe stop selectively watering the pitch for left handers?
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Pakhs said:
Its about making it easier for right handers and harder for left handers on purpose to gain some sort of advantage for me that's a red flag of doctoring.
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So, what's the verdict from pitch experts?

Is the pitch harder for left handed batsmen than right handed?

Since it was so obvious even before match started, should ICC issue points against this pitch?
 
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Watching India run Australia ragged on a classical sub-continental turner just makes me laugh at Pakistan's incompetence. We lost at home to these guys who couldn't play spin if their lives depended on it.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Watching India run Australia ragged on a classical sub-continental turner just makes me laugh at Pakistan's incompetence. We lost at home to these guys who couldn't play spin if their lives depended on it.
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Pakistan should have simply given turning tracks. I don't know why Pakistan wanted draws from the get go.
 
Buffet said:
Pakistan should have simply given turning tracks. I don't know why Pakistan wanted draws from the get go.
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Coward mentality from top to bottom. Once you have decided that you're going to put all your energy into not losing...before the the series has even begun, chances are, you'll lose.
 
Nothing wrong with it.

You do whatever to win games at home!

If there is weaknesses in the opposition camp, then why shouldn't it be exploited?

Might as well get rid of home and away, if you can't prepare your own pitches.
 
“Pitch will be easier till we bat tomorrow and then when we bowl it’ll start doing it’s tricks”

Axar patel when asked “How do you think the pitch will behave tomorrow?”
 
So far only out of form batsmen have struggled. Marnus and Smith looked good for whatever period they were there for. Rahul, Pujara, Kohli all 3 flopped. Warner has been going through bad patch for a while. Khawaja got a peach.
 
People deciding how a pitch will play based on photos taken from the press box the day before a Test will always be funny.
 
Devadwal said:
People deciding how a pitch will play based on photos taken from the press box the day before a Test will always be funny.
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They have moved on to new fake controversy :) which was also shut down. Waiting for FOX cricket to come up with another conspiracy theory.
 
Ausi's psyched themselves out before the match even began. Their media too played big part in it. England made the same mistake last time they toured.
Ashwin Jadeja twin impact is scary proposition on these types of pitches. A generation back Kumble Harbhajan combo created similar impact.
 
jeetu said:
Ausi's psyched themselves out before the match even began. Their media too played big part in it. England made the same mistake last time they toured.
Ashwin Jadeja twin impact is scary proposition on these types of pitches. A generation back Kumble Harbhajan combo created similar impact.
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It is also their batting skils pose a formidable proposition for touring sides. Handsdown these 2 and guys like Umesh/Shami are the reasons for India's home domination.
 
jeetu said:
Ausi's psyched themselves out before the match even began. Their media too played big part in it. England made the same mistake last time they toured.
Ashwin Jadeja twin impact is scary proposition on these types of pitches. A generation back Kumble Harbhajan combo created similar impact.
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Harbhajan and Kumble didn't create impact even close to what Ashwin and Jadeja are doing and that's because pitches in those days were flat and only seldom doctored. In 34 matches they played together in India, they won 14 and drew 14. Had those played most of their matches on the pitches where Ashwin/Jadeja are bowling, Kumble would have finished with 200 more wickets. The current Indian pitches are absolute joke, fine they can win but this is no legacy, nothing to remember about. Any Indian spinner who plays on such pitches will end up with similar stats to the duo. Look at Axar, who we couldn't get to bowl even against Bangladesh in T20 wc is having an average of 14 in Indian test matches.
 
happydavy said:
The current Indian pitches are absolute joke, fine they can win but this is no legacy, nothing to remember about. Any Indian spinner who plays on such pitches will end up with similar stats to the duo.
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Gems like this post makes me wish India still played test cricket with Pakistan.
 
AuxiliA said:
Gems like this post makes me wish India still played test cricket with Pakistan.
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Not every Indian can be delusional like you, i know that this team accomplishment baring the series victory against Australia is nothing to talk about. Easiest retort when lacking substance is to call me Pakistani.
 
happydavy said:
Not every Indian can be delusional like you, i know that this team accomplishment baring the series victory against Australia is nothing to talk about. Easiest retort when lacking substance is to call me Pakistani.
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Don't know/care what nationality are you buddy. My post was for everyone here not just you.

So perhaps being the most dominant home team in cricket history (in addition to being the best travelling team in that period) is nothing to talk about in your books. Ok, everyone has an opinion I guess.

BTW look who's calling who delusional!
 
happydavy said:
Harbhajan and Kumble didn't create impact even close to what Ashwin and Jadeja are doing and that's because pitches in those days were flat and only seldom doctored. In 34 matches they played together in India, they won 14 and drew 14. Had those played most of their matches on the pitches where Ashwin/Jadeja are bowling, Kumble would have finished with 200 more wickets. The current Indian pitches are absolute joke, fine they can win but this is no legacy, nothing to remember about. Any Indian spinner who plays on such pitches will end up with similar stats to the duo. Look at Axar, who we couldn't get to bowl even against Bangladesh in T20 wc is having an average of 14 in Indian test matches.
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Interesting . Indian spinners average 21 with the ball in India since 2013 and the next best is Australian spinners averaging 32
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They have moved on to new fake controversy :) which was also shut down. Waiting for FOX cricket to come up with another conspiracy theory.
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Dharamsala in danger to miss out on hosting the 3rd Test due to relaid outfield. in case Dharamsala misses out, Mohali is an option. The BCCI will take a call on 12th February.
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] and Fox media headline gonna be like....
"Indian ploy to Change the venue as they are unable to doctored the pitch as per their high command......."
 
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