[PICTURES] Appreciation to NZC for letting Pakistani team have a short iftar break during the 3rd T20I

[Major]

As its ramadan and Muslims are fasting, thus Muslims that are working during fasting timings do need a short break for breaking their fast.

Usually for such a break you need to inform and seek permission from the match officials and the other board. It was a 5 min stoppage, but still appreciate that NZC gave our players that time.

But one of the most beautiful images was that our support staff that has foreigners, came to the ground and bought eatables for the players. Let me remind you that the support staff doesnt really come on the field, so it was good to see our foreign support staff bought out eatbles for the players



This gesture, and the players fasting during a match should be appreciated as its very difficult to do so.

 

[Major]

Unlike some other fans, they were celebrating their player not fasting...... sad...

 

[shah9425]

Nice gesture

 

[Rana]

Respect.

 

[shaz619]

Great to see mA

 

[Bhaijaan]

New Zealanders are lovely and supportive peoples. Kudos to them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A lovely gesture from the Kiwis.

 

[shamaan]

The Kiwis are good human beings in general.

 

[kron]

The Kiwis are good human beings in general.

Not really? They are very shady
Fake nice guys

 

[kron]

Credit to bcci too. For giving nz money so they can finance this series

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Must’ve been hard to watch for @Farhan The Man

Apparently they done a prayer too before breaking fast,

 

[Major]

I think the funniest was the player who was drinking milk. Reminded me of Michael Scott who before running a marathon decides to eat pasta and drink milk

 

[topspin]

@Farhan The Man

How did this make you feel?

 

[Rana]

Can someone explain,

Are they even supposed to be fasting if they are on a journey? They are not staying in any single place for more than 14 days

 

[RidiculousMan]

in Iftar

 

[Rana]

The Kiwis are good human beings in general.

I’m pretty sure all countries would allow a team to break their fast on it’s given time. Humanity in general has progressed a lot when it comes to religious tolerance and appreciation of other people’s religious sentiments.

 

[topspin]

Can someone explain,

Are they even supposed to be fasting if they are on a journey? They are not staying in any single place for more than 14 days

I could be wrong but my understanding is you are exempt from fasting during travel and then it becomes mandatory after arrival.

 

[Major]

Can someone explain,

Are they even supposed to be fasting if they are on a journey? They are not staying in any single place for more than 14 days

Fasting is mandatory in Islam. However, yes there are exemptions do exist, but than the player would have to make it up later.

But cricketers are always playing all the time, so doing a make up fast is also not as easy.

Alot of footballers also fast aswell.

Even though I am liberal, but i never liked why PCB doesnt give relaxation to scheduling in ramadan months and Eid Days. Developed nations where Christianity used to be the dominant religion make sure that almost all sporting events are not taking place on Christmas. There are offs.

I get it if its an ICC tournament hosted by someone else, but series in such days during the day, thats just harsh.

 

[Major]

I’m pretty sure all countries would allow a team to break their fast on it’s given time. Humanity in general has progressed a lot when it comes to religious tolerance and appreciation of other people’s religious sentiments.

Its not about allowing to break fast. Its also about the reaction to it.

Now if this was India and they found an Indian muslim player fasting and not performing well, they would had targeted that player that he choose he choose his religion over nationalism. If it was a Pakistani player, alot of their fans and media would had cried about time wastage and why special religious permissions are being given etc.

The gesture of religious tolerance means alot, but there are people that do have an issue

 

[Devadwal]

Shami pe bolne wale silent hai

 

[Cricket Warrior]

No more personal attacks or get ready to face restrictions.

 

[Farhan The Man]

@Farhan The Man

How did this make you feel?

Reaffirmed, actually.

Bad habits have bad consequences. Evident my disproportionate losses.

Just 'cuz non-cricket "recreational" activities take precedence. For you. And them.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Must’ve been hard to watch for @Farhan The Man

Apparently they done a prayer too before breaking fast,

It's a religious side show. On a cricket field.

You choose to be entertained. That's your prerogative.

Happy losses until then.

 

[Major]

It's a religious side show. On a cricket field.

You choose to be entertained. That's your prerogative.

Happy losses until then.

What is a religious side show?

Fasting is an obligation

 

[Farhan The Man]

Fasting is an obligation

Prove it.

With godly text.

And/or prescribed punishment. For not fasting.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Prove it.

With godly text.

And/or prescribed punishment. For not fasting.

• Godly Text (Quran 2:183-185):
  "O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous... The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it..."

• Prescribed Punishment:
  If someone intentionally breaks their fast without a valid excuse, they are required to make up the missed days and may also be subject to expiation (kaffarah). For example, if someone breaks their fast by engaging in sexual intercourse during the day in Ramadan, they must fast for 60 consecutive days or feed 60 needy people as a form of atonement.

 

[Farhan The Man]

• Godly Text (Quran 2:183-185):
  "O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous... The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs of guidance and criterion. So whoever sights [the new moon of] the month, let him fast it..."

• Prescribed Punishment:
  If someone intentionally breaks their fast without a valid excuse, they are required to make up the missed days and may also be subject to expiation (kaffarah). For example, if someone breaks their fast by engaging in sexual intercourse during the day in Ramadan, they must fast for 60 consecutive days or feed 60 needy people as a form of atonement.

The first part doesn't mandate. You used decree, the same word is translated to prescription/recommendation in other versions.

Pertinently, who authored the "punishment" part?

In context. Adultery is explicitly forbidden in quran. With prescribed punishment. You get the point.

 

[Major]

Prove it.

With godly text.

And/or prescribed punishment. For not fasting.

What are the 5 pillars of islam?

You an athiest?

 

[Farhan The Man]

What are the 5 pillars of islam?

You are deflecting. Let's hear you first. On my query.

Where is godly text that mandates fasting? Alternatively a punishment?

Now pursuant to yours, where is godly text that limits islam to just 5 pillars?

 

[Major]

You are deflecting. Let's hear you first. On my query.

Where is godly text that mandates fasting? Alternatively a punishment?

Now pursuant to yours, where is godly text that limits islam to just 5 pillars?

Are you a muslim or not?

If one is not a muslim, whats the point of having this convo than

 

[Farhan The Man]

Are you a muslim or not?

Discuss the message. Not the messenger.

If you cannot substantiate your personal beliefs that you act so feverishly upon, no one else can.

Let's hear of these "obligatory" texts. Sincerely.

 

[Major]

Discuss the message. Not the messenger.

If you cannot substantiate your personal beliefs that you act so feverishly upon, no one else can.

Let's hear of these "obligatory" texts. Sincerely.

Nope it doesnt matter. If you are a muslim only than.

Point is, those guys on field were muslim, and took 5 mins to perform to religious obligatiob

 

[Farhan The Man]

Nope it doesnt matter. If you are a muslim only than.

Point is, those guys on field were muslim, and took 5 mins to perform to religious obligatiob

You call it godly obligation. But are unable to substantiate with godly texts.

I call it human enforcement. Substantiated by lack of benefit to society or an individual.

We are aligned.

 

[shamaan]

Not really? They are very shady
Fake nice guys

Compared to other teams ?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Kudos to Kiwis. They can bend over backwards to accommodate other cultures. Letting Pak team have an iftar break is nothing for them.

 

[shamaan]

You call it godly obligation. But are unable to substantiate with godly texts.

I call it human enforcement. Substantiated by lack of benefit to society or an individual.

We are aligned.

Do you except Hadith ?

 

[topspin]

Nope it doesnt matter. If you are a muslim only than.

Point is, those guys on field were muslim, and took 5 mins to perform to religious obligatiob

He's not a Muslim.

I've been advised he's been banned in the past and has a problem with mods, which is why he has an issue with Muslims.

 

[Major]

He's not a Muslim.

I've been advised he's been banned in the past and has a problem with mods, which is why he has an issue with Muslims.

Oh so he is not a muslim. Fair enough.

No issues with that. But he needs to be respectful to other peoples religion and not indulge in arguments.

If he was a musli., i could have had the pillars of islam discussion. But when he is not, there is no point.

His posts are than actually offensive than. I respect his decision but he seems to not respects others decision

 

[uppercut]

No issues with that. But he needs to be respectful to other peoples religion and not indulge in arguments.

Like Hinduism for example?

 

[Major]

Like Hinduism for example?

Your whole issue is about cow and beef. So no, i cant restrict my diet

 

[Farhan The Man]

Do you except Hadith ?

Nah dude.

It ain't godly text.

You know this.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Is farhan the man a hindu?

Calling me labels ain't getting you off the hook.

You are yet to substantiate your assertion of "mandatory fasting" with "obligatory texts".

C'mon homeboi. Prove it.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not whole but just one of the many issues. So Yeah that sounds like a NO. But go ahead and explain why you expect nothing but complete respect from Hindus towards your beliefs and that too in India ?

@DeadlyVenom
@HalBass9

Again you are equating apples with oranges. He is respectful of you restricting your diet as a Hindu but doesn't want the same restrictions placed on him.

 

[Major]

Calling me labels ain't getting you off the hook.

You are yet to substantiate your assertion of "mandatory fasting" with "obligatory texts".

C'mon homeboi. Prove it.

I dont. Since you are not a muslim, there is no point and this isnt the thread for it

 

[HalBass9]

Not whole but just one of the many issues. So Yeah that sounds like a NO. But go ahead and explain why you expect nothing but complete respect from Hindus towards your beliefs and that too in India ?

@DeadlyVenom
@HalBass9

You’re foaming at the mouth for the right to butcher humans over ideologies, voting for leaders who fantasize about mass murder, and cheering them on, then walking past the meat aisle like you’re above violence, as if the blood stops mattering when it’s not on your hands.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

I have seen a lot of Pakistani posters in other threads acting like chest-thumpers, going on about "Religion should not be mixed with sports," blah blah. Based on what’s being discussed in this thread, can we now call this an example of Islamic ideology being pushed into sports?

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[The Bald Eagle]

@Farhan The Man

How did this make you feel?

Lol...just look at the face of this reporter and you will get the answer.

 

[HalBass9]

I have seen a lot of Pakistani posters in other threads acting like chest-thumpers, going on about "Religion should not be mixed with sports," blah blah. Based on what’s being discussed in this thread, can we now call this an example of Islamic ideology being pushed into sports?

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None of the players forced NZ to fast.

 

[sweep_shot]

Great gesture from NZC. Well done.

 

[Major]

I have seen a lot of Pakistani posters in other threads acting like chest-thumpers, going on about "Religion should not be mixed with sports," blah blah. Based on what’s being discussed in this thread, can we now call this an example of Islamic ideology being pushed into sports?

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Pushed how?

A drinks break was basically takeb earlier with 3 mins extention.

 

[Kriketer]

Nice gesture. Islamophobes will find every reason to weep over it. It only took a few extra minutes

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Great to see NZ embrace this global phenomenon of Muslim athletes breaking their fasts during the game.

The premier league has adopted this for the last few seasons.

Respect.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

I have seen a lot of Pakistani posters in other threads acting like chest-thumpers, going on about "Religion should not be mixed with sports," blah blah. Based on what’s being discussed in this thread, can we now call this an example of Islamic ideology being pushed into sports?

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To start with Islam is not an ideology it is a way of life.

Secondly how is breaking fast mixing religion with sport???.

The words deluded and delusional spring to mind.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

You call it godly obligation. But are unable to substantiate with godly texts.

I call it human enforcement. Substantiated by lack of benefit to society or an individual.

We are aligned.

Your a numpty out of your depth interfering in matters that don't concern you.

Fasting is proven to be beneficial both medically and scientifically and most importantly a religious obligation for every Muslim who is fit and able.

 

[RexRex]

Why can't they wait till after the game ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why can't they wait till after the game ?

There is a set time to open the fast.

 

[Major]

Why can't they wait till after the game ?

that fact that you are from India and dint know other peoples religious culture. sad

 

[ChennaiFan]

To start with Islam is not an ideology it is a way of life.

Secondly how is breaking fast mixing religion with sport???.

The words deluded and delusional spring to mind.

Islam is a way of life, Christianity is a way of life, Hinduism is a way of life, Sikhism is a way life. In short, every religion is a way of life for those people who follow that religion. Allowing extra time to break a religion prescribed fasting is mixing religion with sport.

Note: I do understand the benefits of fasting and it is good that the muslims do that for a month. I also appreciate the fact that the sports organizers are mindful of the players' religious needs and accommodates them. After all, what is sports without the players.

Overall, it is a good gesture from the New Zealand cricket board.

 

[sweep_shot]

It is a shame this beautiful thread is being ruined by a bunch of Islamophobes.

 

[Aami]

Love the posts . ..

 

[shaz619]

It is a shame this beautiful thread is being ruined by a bunch of Islamophobes.

I didn’t think it would get to discussing scripture,

Need to be more careful these days with all the angry attacking Islam

 

[RidiculousMan]

Oh so he is not a muslim. Fair enough.

No issues with that. But he needs to be respectful to other peoples religion and not indulge in arguments.

If he was a musli., i could have had the pillars of islam discussion. But when he is not, there is no point.

His posts are than actually offensive than. I respect his decision but he seems to not respects others decision

Plus Cricket forum is not the place to talk these issues. There's off topic forum for a reason.

 

[Greenstorm]

Respect for Kiwis. Don't know why indians and atheists are triggered here.

 

[kron]

It is a shame this beautiful thread is being ruined by a bunch of Islamophobes.

Don’t know and don’t care for man made religions but iftar biryani does smell good

I think I will take it from the Pakistani restaurant near us

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is clearly about New Zealand's gesture to let the opposition have a break.

People have turned this thread into a religious debate actually.

FOR ONCE, can we not derail the thread?????

 

[BouncerGuy]

Another day. Another Iftar break. Nice

 

[BDfanforever]

Great sight. Pak physio bringing drinks for the players. NZC is one of the most lovable board out there.

 

[Varun]

Don’t know and don’t care for man made religions but iftar biryani does smell good

I think I will take it from the Pakistani restaurant near us

Pakistani food > Indian food, especially when it comes to non vegetarian dishes and even if they themselves call it Indian restaurant/food.

As for the thread, would Pakistan reciprocate if say an NZ wanted to celebrate Christmas on a tour of Pakistan?

 

[shah9425]

Another day. Another Iftar break. Nice

Nice to see them

 

[Snowflake]

I dont. Since you are not a muslim, there is no point and this isnt the thread for it

Running away from a discussion by using the other party’s religion as an excuse is not a good look.

If we have a facts proving our argument, they can be presented regardless of the other person’s religion. It’s a total cop out to even bring personal beliefs into the discussion.

 

[Snowflake]

Your a numpty out of your depth interfering in matters that don't concern you.

Fasting is proven to be beneficial both medically and scientifically and most importantly a religious obligation for every Muslim who is fit and able.

“interfering in matters that don’t concern you”

Please don’t be a gatekeeper of religion. No one assigned you that role.

 

[Snowflake]

Fasting during a game is absolutely ridiculous. But definitely not surprising given the direction our country is going in.

 

[LordJames]

Good gesture from NZ

 

[sweep_shot]

Fasting during a game is absolutely ridiculous. But definitely not surprising given the direction our country is going in.

I have seen football players fast while playing and football is a more intense sport than cricket.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Islam is a way of life, Christianity is a way of life, Hinduism is a way of life, Sikhism is a way life. In short, every religion is a way of life for those people who follow that religion. Allowing extra time to break a religion prescribed fasting is mixing religion with sport.

Note: I do understand the benefits of fasting and it is good that the muslims do that for a month. I also appreciate the fact that the sports organizers are mindful of the players' religious needs and accommodates them. After all, what is sports without the players.

Overall, it is a good gesture from the New Zealand cricket board.

The difference between Islam being a way of life compared to the other religions you mentioned is because it can withstand scrutiny on its own without Muslims because it the direct words of God Almighty and the guidance it offers to Man kind is unique.

The Quran also is the only scripture that states directly it is from God Almighty.

No other SCRIPTURE does that.

The Quran has laid an open challenge to anyone for 1445 years to bring a chapter or verse like it.

Many have tried and failed and will continue to.

This is a sports forum therefore I will not go in to details however for anyone who is genuinely intrigued I would urge them to look up and seek knowledge from the correct sources.

Breaking fast for a few minutes when drinks breaks are taken on Hot days anyway are hardly mixing sports with politics.

A great example of mixing sports & politics was when a certain side refused to participate on the home grounds of the hosts during the recent CT tournament.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

“interfering in matters that don’t concern you”

Please don’t be a gatekeeper of religion. No one assigned you that role.

Every Muslim is a "Gate keeper" as they have a duty and responsibility to ensure there is no misinformation being spread about Islam.

Period.

If you have a problem with that.

Deal with it.

 

[shah9425]

Fasting during a game is absolutely ridiculous. But definitely not surprising given the direction our country is going in.

What's wrong in it?

 

[khyberlion]

Fasting during a game is absolutely ridiculous. But definitely not surprising given the direction our country is going in.

Yes because being a Muslim and fasting is wrong. Probably another one of those athetis telling us what is better for us.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Unlike some other fans, they were celebrating their player not fasting...... sad...

I thought there is no "compulsion" in Islam

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Good gesture from NZ

The Pakistan team handed out christmas presents to the Aussies during their tour of Pakistan.

That was a great gesture.

Unheard off.

Pakistani hospitality again.