[PICTURES] Is Hindutva Ideology Impacting Indian Cricketers?

[FearlessRoar]

Just stumbled upon a tweet by former Indian cricket team fast bowler Venkatesh Prasad regarding his prediction for 2024. During a Q&A session on X (formerly Twitter), he was asked about his thoughts for 2024, and his response was intriguing. He referenced the ongoing construction of the Ram Temple in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh, stating, "Mandir wahin banne waala hai" (The temple is going to be made there), alluding to the upcoming consecration ceremony on January 22.

The Ram Mandir is in under construction in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh, replacing the former Babri Masjid location. In 2019, India's Supreme Court granted the disputed land to Hindus for a temple, citing an Archaeological Survey of India report indicating a pre existing non Islamic structure beneath the mosque.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741354071293132981

What are your thoughts on this? Do you think athletes and public figures should delve into such sensitive topics openly?Are Indian cricketers now being inspired by Hindutva ideology too?

 

[Theanonymousone]

This thread is really surprising

The question is never asked when Pakistani cricketers talk about Islamic ideologies…While Rizwan’s celebrations on field had both positive and negative thoughts attached to it by posters here, off field views are never questioned.

When Saed Anwar mentions about his religious beliefs, it is met with such strong positive reception.

So, i dont think it is much different in this case. Off the cricketers are humans too and religious freedom is part of their basic rights

And you will find more pakistani current / ex cricketers considering themselves as ambassadors of religion than the Indian counterparts

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Just stumbled upon a tweet by former Indian cricket team fast bowler Venkatesh Prasad regarding his prediction for 2024. During a Q&A session on X (formerly Twitter), he was asked about his thoughts for 2024, and his response was intriguing. He referenced the ongoing construction of the Ram Temple in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh, stating, "Mandir wahin banne waala hai" (The temple is going to be made there), alluding to the upcoming consecration ceremony on January 22.

The Ram Mandir is in under construction in Ayodhya, Uttar Pradesh, replacing the former Babri Masjid location. In 2019, India's Supreme Court granted the disputed land to Hindus for a temple, citing an Archaeological Survey of India report indicating a pre existing non Islamic structure beneath the mosque.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741354071293132981

What are your thoughts on this? Do you think athletes and public figures should delve into such sensitive topics openly?Are Indian cricketers now being inspired by Hindutva ideology too?

Well, it's not new. I can recall the bashing and death threats to the non hindu cricketers like Shami in 2021 and Arshdeep in 2022 after their poor bowling display against Pakistan on different occasions. They received such dire warnings because they are not hindus and part of Hindutva supporters. Otherwise can't recall such vile threats to any Hindu cricketer in recent times.

The above statement of Prasad also reeks of that extremist ideology and isn't befitting for a former national cricketer.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This thread is really surprising

The question is never asked when Pakistani cricketers talk about Islamic ideologies…While Rizwan’s celebrations on field had both positive and negative thoughts attached to it by posters here, off field views are never questioned.

When Saed Anwar mentions about his religious beliefs, it is met with such strong positive reception.

So, i dont think it is much different in this case. Off the cricketers are humans too and religious freedom is part of their basic rights

And you will find more pakistani current / ex cricketers considering themselves as ambassadors of religion than the Indian counterparts

As far as Im aware, no Hindu temple has been climbed up , lunatic slogans chanted, broken down , only for the courts to say it should be replaced by a temple which was there hundreds of years ago.

Talk is talk but this religious extremism on a different scale , straight from the government.

Modi will build some grand temple to win the votes. He knows if Hindus are starving, living in slums they wont mind as long as their feel some sort of Hindu empire is emerging, Bollywood doesnt help these brainwashed people either.

 

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As far as Im aware, no Hindu temple has been climbed up , lunatic slogans chanted, broken down , only for the courts to say it should be replaced by a temple which was there hundreds of years ago.

Why was the original Temple destroyed?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why was the original Temple destroyed?

I dont believe there was a temple present.

But even if true, why not build another temple in a open area? India is huge. Because its nothing to do with a temple, its the Hindutva government using Hindu extremist ideology to get votes from Hindu extremists who are mostly poor, uneducated and it helps to blame others.

 

[uppercut]

I dont believe there was a temple present.

You can believe in anything you want ... it wont make it factually correct. The reality is the Court ordered a proper Archeological survey in the presence of witnesses from Muslim parties and on record. The ASI survey was soo extensive that it found huge amount of evidence of the temples existence right below the Mosque.

Now tell me why the Muslims were still shamelessly trying to claim that the Mosque was a holy site ?​

But even if true, why not build another temple in a open area? India is huge. Because its nothing to do with a temple, its the Hindutva government using Hindu extremist ideology to get votes from Hindu extremists who are mostly poor, uneducated and it helps to blame others.

Doesn't work like that, there is a reason why that Temple was built at that exact spot as it is the Birth Place of Lord Ram. It is not a random temple.

BTW using the same logic why dont Muslims build the al-aqsa mosque some place else ?

 

[Major]

You can believe in anything you want ... it wont make it factually correct. The reality is the Court ordered a proper Archeological survey in the presence of witnesses from Muslim parties and on record. The ASI survey was soo extensive that it found huge amount of evidence of the temples existence right below the Mosque.

Now tell me why the Muslims were still shamelessly trying to claim that the Mosque was a holy site ?​

Doesn't work like that, there is a reason why that Temple was built at that exact spot as it is the Birth Place of Lord Ram. It is not a random temple.

BTW using the same logic why dont Muslims build the al-aqsa mosque some place else ?

Where does it say that rama was born that exact place?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I dont believe there was a temple present.

But even if true, why not build another temple in a open area? India is huge. Because its nothing to do with a temple, its the Hindutva government using Hindu extremist ideology to get votes from Hindu extremists who are mostly poor, uneducated and it helps to blame others.

Why not build mosque in another area? Already land is granted and the Imam of Kabba is supposed to come to lay down the foundation. What's the issue?

There is archaeological evidence via excavation that's video recorded to prove the existence of the temple.

Ram Mandir and the struggle to rebuild it is older than any political party or its ideology.

I find it amusing that Pakistanis even after taking their share of land and having a country still cannot be at peace and still need to bother about things that is happening in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where does it say that rama was born that exact place?

Hindu scriptures Mention the birth place of Shri Ram as Ayodhya on the banks of Saryu River. The earliest version of Ramayana has been dated to first millennium BC.

Various medieval European travellers like Finch or Herbert mention that there exists a temple on the hillock in Ayodhya where the Hindus offer their prayers to Ram as its his birthplace.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You can believe in anything you want ... it wont make it factually correct. The reality is the Court ordered a proper Archeological survey in the presence of witnesses from Muslim parties and on record. The ASI survey was soo extensive that it found huge amount of evidence of the temples existence right below the Mosque.

Now tell me why the Muslims were still shamelessly trying to claim that the Mosque was a holy site ?​

Doesn't work like that, there is a reason why that Temple was built at that exact spot as it is the Birth Place of Lord Ram. It is not a random temple.

BTW using the same logic why dont Muslims build the al-aqsa mosque some place else ?

Same with Krishna Janambhoomi in Mathura and the Vishwanath temple in Benares.

There are many others. The entire Qutub complex is built by destroying hindu and jain temples.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

They ( Indian players) have their right to express their opinion. If they believe it is a sacred site they have every right to say it and express their desire for its return.

 

[uppercut]

Where does it say that rama was born that exact place?

The court went by Skanda Purana , Ramayana Epic written by Sage Valmiki, Gazette records from British era, travelogues from European travellers and that the Mosque was referred to as "Janmasthan Mosque" in many court applications.

 

[Major]

Hindu scriptures Mention the birth place of Shri Ram as Ayodhya on the banks of Saryu River. The earliest version of Ramayana has been dated to first millennium BC.

Various medieval European travellers like Finch or Herbert mention that there exists a temple on the hillock in Ayodhya where the Hindus offer their prayers to Ram as its his birthplace.

where does it say it was that EXACT place?

 

[uppercut]

Same with Krishna Janambhoomi in Mathura and the Vishwanath temple in Benares.

There are many others. The entire Qutub complex is built by destroying hindu and jain temples.

Correct .... its particularly shocking that even in the 21st century when information is available freely at fingertips the Muslim community in India still has absolutely no qualms nor do they see any wrong at all in what happened. They continue to engage in lengthy litigation thereby only continuing the communal bigotry.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Where does it say that rama was born that exact place?

Even in British records, it was not mentioned as Babri Masjid, but Madjid-e-Janmasthan (masjid of the birthplace). Every Indian, including muslims should be proud of this decolonization of the structure.

 

[CricketCartoons]

where does it say it was that EXACT place?

Islamic religion works on codified and final words in books, Hindu religion works on tradition and passed on belief of people. So you may need the exact location and written word that the Prophet departed from Al Aqsa to believe it, but Hindus believe in passed down tradition and beliefs to believe that Shri Ram was born at that exact place.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I dont believe there was a temple present.

But even if true, why not build another temple in a open area? India is huge. Because its nothing to do with a temple, its the Hindutva government using Hindu extremist ideology to get votes from Hindu extremists who are mostly poor, uneducated and it helps to blame others.

Zionists also say the same to Palestinians that why not go elsewhere since we have already occupied your land.

This is the problem with most Islamists, what is mine is mine, but what is yours is also mine.

 

[Theanonymousone]

As far as Im aware, no Hindu temple has been climbed up , lunatic slogans chanted, broken down , only for the courts to say it should be replaced by a temple which was there hundreds of years ago.

Talk is talk but this religious extremism on a different scale , straight from the government.

Modi will build some grand temple to win the votes. He knows if Hindus are starving, living in slums they wont mind as long as their feel some sort of Hindu empire is emerging, Bollywood doesnt help these brainwashed people either.

I dont understand why you are mixing Modi and cricket players. If you want mix politics with cricket, PCB is ahead by leaps and bounds in this aspect.

For the common man, Ayodhya is always a sacred place for Hindus. And the legality aspect was already proven in Indian courts. So, I dont see a problem here when an ex-cricketer is supporting the Ram mandir. Its not even like the ex-cricketers are focussed on proselytizing to covert someone.

And if someone is supporting those aggressive religious chants against players, there is an issue. But this is not the case here

 

[Rajdeep]

If people have a problem with an ex retired Indian cricketer talking about Shri Ram temple being built in India, so just imagine what happens to the minorities in that country. And mind you this temple is not been built in Kashmir or any other disputed areas but in the heart of hindi heartland in the middle of Uttar Pradesh. Still people has got an issue?

As I said many times before, Hindutva is an excuse to simply hate hinduism.

More power to Venky Prasad.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Islamic religion works on codified and final words in books, Hindu religion works on tradition and passed on belief of people. So you may need the exact location and written word that the Prophet departed from Al Aqsa to believe it, but Hindus believe in passed down tradition and beliefs to believe that Shri Ram was born at that exact place.

Very interesting. They break down the Holy Masjid because of passed-down tradition but then rely on exact locations via archaeological surveys once there is no going back to seal the deal.

The flexibility of Hindus is inspirational.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Very interesting. They break down the Holy Masjid because of passed-down tradition but then rely on exact locations via archaeological surveys once there is no going back to seal the deal.

The flexibility of Hindus is inspirational.

Yep, they don't understand they have demolished a pre existing mosque to build a temple there. And that tells you about their religious tolerance.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Correct .... its particularly shocking that even in the 21st century when information is available freely at fingertips the Muslim community in India still has absolutely no qualms nor do they see any wrong at all in what happened. They continue to engage in lengthy litigation thereby only continuing the communal bigotry.

Not all information is freely available at fingertips, on taking office Modi organised the destruction of vast swathes of documents, over 150,000 files if I recall correctly. So how much weight one can put on selective information provided by RSS cadres is questionable at least.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Very interesting. They break down the Holy Masjid because of passed-down tradition but then rely on exact locations via archaeological surveys once there is no going back to seal the deal.

The flexibility of Hindus is inspirational.

Archaelogical surveys only prove there was a preexisting temple, they don't prove the exact birthplace of God Shri Ram.

The demolition of masjid-e-janmasthan proved to be the deus ex machina which sped up the process of true justice. Moment of pride for all peace loving people who hate oppressors.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yep, they don't understand they have demolished a pre existing mosque to build a temple there. And that tells you about their religious tolerance.

They demolished a pre existing mosque which was built by demolishing a pre existing temple, so that a temple could be rebuilt. This is justice. They are religious tolerant, but not injustice tolerant.

no regret, no sorrow, no repentance, no grief. Only pride.

 

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Not all information is freely available at fingertips, on taking office Modi organised the destruction of vast swathes of documents, over 150,000 files if I recall correctly. So how much weight one can put on selective information provided by RSS cadres is questionable at least.

What documents pertaining to this topic were destroyed (according to you) ?

 

[uppercut]

They demolished a pre existing mosque which was built by demolishing a pre existing temple, so that a temple could be rebuilt. This is justice. They are religious tolerant, but not injustice tolerant.

no regret, no sorrow, no repentance, no grief. Only pride.

Its quite remarkable how Muslims reset the status quo, its like the Temple demolition never ever occurred.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Its quite remarkable how Muslims reset the status quo, its like the Temple demolition never ever occurred.

Not unique to just muslims, very few people are truly principled and unbiased.

Most people, across religions, think that once they have occupied someone elses property, it rightfully belongs to them for eternity. But people are free to think whatever they want. It is the powerful who matter.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What documents pertaining to this topic were destroyed (according to you) ?

Modi government destroys 11,100 files

New Delhi, Jul 12: As many as 11,000 files were destroyed as per Prime Minister Narendra Modi's orders to weed out files and papers but none of these related to the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi, Home Minister Rajnath Singh said.

www.coastaldigest.com

 

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Modi government destroys 11,100 files

New Delhi, Jul 12: As many as 11,000 files were destroyed as per Prime Minister Narendra Modi's orders to weed out files and papers but none of these related to the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi, Home Minister Rajnath Singh said.

www.coastaldigest.com

Do you realize that these do not include Court documents and moreover the ASI Survey was conducted and done waaay before Modi was a PM. Those records are with the ASI and the Courts. Not the home ministry which is what this article is referring to.

 

[Major]

Even in British records, it was not mentioned as Babri Masjid, but Madjid-e-Janmasthan (masjid of the birthplace). Every Indian, including muslims should be proud of this decolonization of the structure.

where does it say that the Mandir was built in the exact place?

 

[Major]

Islamic religion works on codified and final words in books, Hindu religion works on tradition and passed on belief of people. So you may need the exact location and written word that the Prophet departed from Al Aqsa to believe it, but Hindus believe in passed down tradition and beliefs to believe that Shri Ram was born at that exact place.

i am not asking anything about islamic religion here.

I am asking where is it written that ram mandir was in the exact place?

You do know if there are 100 people making a chain and each person whispers something in one persons ear the msg gets changed when it reaches the end?

Courts dont work on beliefs, sorry. You need to have proof.

Now answer the simple question, where does it say it was built at the exact place?

 

[cricketjoshila]

where does it say it was that EXACT place?

Its mentioned that the birthplace of Shri Ram was consecrated by a temple. Various travellers have chronicled the same that there exists a temple in Ayodhya which is worshipped as the place of birth of Shri Ram.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Even Mughal records name the place as Masjid E Janamsthan. Why? Whose Janamsthan or Birthplace?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep, they don't understand they have demolished a pre existing mosque to build a temple there. And that tells you about their religious tolerance.

The mosque was built by demolishing a temple. One of the holiest pilgrim sites for Hindus.

That the temple was demolished to build a mosque and despite proofs of the same and offer of an alternate site for the mosque, muslim opposition to this tells you about their religious tolerance m

 

[cricketjoshila]

Very interesting. They break down the Holy Masjid because of passed-down tradition but then rely on exact locations via archaeological surveys once there is no going back to seal the deal.

The flexibility of Hindus is inspirational.

The exact location was very well known. The archaeological excavation was done to scientifically prove it.

Archaeological evidence proved that temple existed on that site and it was broken to construct the said mosque.

British records and Mughal records call it Masjid e Janamsthan or Mosque of the Birth place. Whose birthplace?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not all information is freely available at fingertips, on taking office Modi organised the destruction of vast swathes of documents, over 150,000 files if I recall correctly. So how much weight one can put on selective information provided by RSS cadres is questionable at least.

The archaeological excavation is video taped and photographed. The survey report lies with the Supreme Court.

There exists a small museum that displays all salvaged items from the excavation.

 

[Major]

Its mentioned that the birthplace of Shri Ram was consecrated by a temple. Various travellers have chronicled the same that there exists a temple in Ayodhya which is worshipped as the place of birth of Shri Ram.

im not disputing that i was not in Ayodha as you said there is sacred text that says so.

What i asking is whwre is it written it was in the exact same spot as the Babri Mosque

 

[CricketCartoons]

i am not asking anything about islamic religion here.

I am asking where is it written that ram mandir was in the exact place?

You do know if there are 100 people making a chain and each person whispers something in one persons ear the msg gets changed when it reaches the end?

Courts dont work on beliefs, sorry. You need to have proof.

Now answer the simple question, where does it say it was built at the exact place?

Search for "ayodhya supreme court judgement pdf". You will get the full judgement in the first link itself. Read it fully and then see if you have more questions.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its quite remarkable how Muslims reset the status quo, its like the Temple demolition never ever occurred.

Hagia Sofia a church was converted to Mosque. Kemal Ataturk made it into museum.

Recently when Erdogan again made it into a mosque almost every Muslim was supporting it and celebrating.

It was called as Turkey going back tp its Islamic roots.

But Hindus cannot rebuild their temples.

Pakistanis totally believe that Muslims of the subcontinent had a right to a separate nation and that's why Pakistan was built. But Hindus apparently don't have rights to rebuild few of their temples that were destroyed.

Hindus cannot even change names of places that are named after bigoted tyrannical Invaders. All this while the world is removing names of colonizers, slavers and tyrants.

Basically its Heads I win, Tails you lose and the coin belongs to my father.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You do know if there are 100 people making a chain and each person whispers something in one persons ear the msg gets changed when it reaches the end?

Traditions are collective memory of people which is passed down with generations. Collective memory may get diluted, but it needs a lot of active brainwashing for a few generations by someone strong (like The State, class syllabus, media). Even Hadiths were compiled generations after all the active participants had died, and they still form the collective memory of muslims.


Also it is a non argument about its veracity or truth, because it is only a matter of collective belief. Treating something that is written in a book, which claims that it is from God, is as absurd as treating something as truth because many people across generations believe it to be the truth.

 

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Hagia Sofia a church was converted to Mosque. Kemal Ataturk made it into museum.

Recently when Erdogan again made it into a mosque almost every Muslim on this forum was supporting it and celebrating.

It was called as Turkey going back tp its Islamic roots.

But Hindus cannot rebuild their temples.

Pakistanis totally believe that Muslims of the subcontinent had a right to a separate nation and that's why Pakistan was built. But Hindus apparently don't have rights to rebuild few of their temples that were destroyed.

Hindus cannot even change names of places that are named after bigoted tyrannical Invaders. All this while the world is removing names of colonizers, slavers and tyrants.

Basically its Heads I win, Tails you lose and the coin belongs to my father.

Well said ... just to add to that ... anyone who points this brazen and blatant hypocrisy is going to be branded as Anti-Muslim !!

 

[CricketCartoons]

Hagia Sofia a church was converted to Mosque. Kemal Ataturk made it into museum.

Recently when Erdogan again made it into a mosque almost every Muslim on this forum was supporting it and celebrating.

It was called as Turkey going back tp its Islamic roots.

But Hindus cannot rebuild their temples.

Pakistanis totally believe that Muslims of the subcontinent had a right to a separate nation and that's why Pakistan was built. But Hindus apparently don't have rights to rebuild few of their temples that were destroyed.

Hindus cannot even change names of places that are named after bigoted tyrannical Invaders. All this while the world is removing names of colonizers, slavers and tyrants.

Basically its Heads I win, Tails you lose and the coin belongs to my father.

Just because many muslims are biased and hold double standards like other people, doesn't mean they are winning the coin toss or the coin belongs to them. Hagia Sofia was a win, Masjid -e- Janmasthan a loss. But credit to muslims, their belief is always for pushing the boundary of their civilisation forwards. They wouldn't have achieved so much success by being unbiased.

 

[cricketjoshila]

European travellers and Indian literature both mention that the spot where Shree Ram was born in Ayodhya has a temple and he is worshipped there.

Archaeological excavation found remains of a destroyed temple which was apparently quite big at that exact spot.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

British records and Mughal records call it Masjid e Janamsthan or Mosque of the Birth place. Whose birthplace?

Do British and Mughals believe in Ram?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Do British and Mughals believe in Ram?

Exactly. They did not. So it begs the question, why did their own records register it as Masjid e Janmasthan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Exactly. They did not. So it begs the question, why did their own records register it as Masjid e Janmasthan.

The records should have specified birth of who.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The records should have specified birth of who.

Should have could have. What matters is "did have".

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Should have could have. What matters is "did have".

We will take the "did have" part where they referred to it as "masjid" as fact. It is conclusive that they referred to the holy structure as a masjid

Janmasthan part is up for debate since it is not clear.

 

[CricketCartoons]

We will take the "did have" part where they referred to it as "masjid" as fact. It is conclusive that they referred to the holy structure as a masjid

Janmasthan part is up for debate since it is not clear.

As ghalib said, dil ko khush rakhne ko, yeh khayal achcha hai.

Let people have debate to assuage their wounds, while others celebrate the deliverance of Justice.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We will take the "did have" part where they referred to it as "masjid" as fact. It is conclusive that they referred to the holy structure as a masjid

Janmasthan part is up for debate since it is not clear.

Masjid at Janamsthan.

Remains of a destroyed temple under the mosque. Statues of Hindu deities recovered from under the disputed structure.

Pretty conclusive that Mughals destroyed a temple and built a mosque over it.

 

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Not one single Pakistani poster here wants to talk about the destruction of the original Temple that stood exactly where the Babri Masjid was, some even trying to pretend it did not happen, and yet the same people wonder why there is soo much Hindu-Muslim communal problem in India.

Well this sort of absolutely brazen and blatant bully mentality of Muslims is the root cause of all problems and it manifests in many facets of day-to-day life on a regular basis.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ahead of the grand inauguration of Ayodhya's Ram Mandir, South African cricketer Keshav Maharaj extended his warm wishes to everyone in a video message which has gone viral on social media. Maharaj, a practicing Hindu, hoped that the opening of the temple will bring peace and spiritual enlightenment to all in the clip he dedicated to the entire Indian community in South Afrcia.

The opening ceremony of the temple promises to be a spectacle with several high-profile guests from different spheres of lives having been invited to attend the opening ceremony of the event. Members of the cricket community in India- the likes of Virat Kohli, Sachin Tendulkar, MS Dhoni, Mithali Raj and Ravichandran Ashwin among others have all been invited to be part of the Ram Mandir 'Pran Pratishtha'.

Source: ABP

'Jai Shree Ram': Keshav Maharaj's Video Message Ahead Of Ram Mandir Inauguration Goes Viral

Keshav Maharaj shared a video message wishing peace and spiritual enlightenment to all ahead of Ram Mandir Inauguration in Ayodhya.

www.google.com

 

[ElRaja]

Not one single Pakistani poster here wants to talk about the destruction of the original Temple that stood exactly where the Babri Masjid was, some even trying to pretend it did not happen, and yet the same people wonder why there is soo much Hindu-Muslim communal problem in India.

Well this sort of absolutely brazen and blatant bully mentality of Muslims is the root cause of all problems and it manifests in many facets of day-to-day life on a regular basis.

what if there was some other temple on the site before? how far back do you go, if mythological tales are the basis of your historical record of ownership, you just need another group to concoct a story and find more people to believe in it.

the ram mandir issue is an expression of hindu authority in india, no one wonders why there is hindu Muslim communal tension in india, its obvious, religious politics is stupid, however indian hindus should quit with the hypocracy of pretending they care about indian Muslims or that they are not religiously biased and get on with it.

if indian Muslims have the backbone or political acumen to create political pressure they will, if not, pakistanis shouldn't worry about them, their ancestors chose to stay in india now they should deal with it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not one single Pakistani poster here wants to talk about the destruction of the original Temple that stood exactly where the Babri Masjid was, some even trying to pretend it did not happen, and yet the same people wonder why there is soo much Hindu-Muslim communal problem in India.

Well this sort of absolutely brazen and blatant bully mentality of Muslims is the root cause of all problems and it manifests in many facets of day-to-day life on a regular basis.

Why do you want muslims to sympathize with you? What is this constant begging for acceptance?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not one single Pakistani poster here wants to talk about the destruction of the original Temple that stood exactly where the Babri Masjid was, some even trying to pretend it did not happen, and yet the same people wonder why there is soo much Hindu-Muslim communal problem in India.

Well this sort of absolutely brazen and blatant bully mentality of Muslims is the root cause of all problems and it manifests in many facets of day-to-day life on a regular basis.

Pakistani posters are responsible for Hindu Muslim communal violence.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not one single Pakistani poster here wants to talk about the destruction of the original Temple that stood exactly where the Babri Masjid was, some even trying to pretend it did not happen, and yet the same people wonder why there is soo much Hindu-Muslim communal problem in India.

Well this sort of absolutely brazen and blatant bully mentality of Muslims is the root cause of all problems and it manifests in many facets of day-to-day life on a regular basis.

I actually well-wished for the South African Hindu player to one day be able to offer prayers at the temple with tears of joy streaming down his cheeks, I don't know what could be more gracious than that.

 

[Rajdeep]

Hindutva impacting Indian cricketers in which way? When this thread was created, India was rank one team in all 3 formats. So surely the performance isn't impacted. Very strange thread but absolutely loving the heartburn. Focus on you own team guys, who just had a disaster Asia cup, world cup, got whitewashed in another downunder test tour and lost 4-1 in a hit and giggle T20 series against Kiwis who just lost against Bangladesh.

But but...hindutva impacting Indian cricketers it seems. Not sure whether to laugh or cry in such threads.

 

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Why do you want muslims to sympathize with you? What is this constant begging for acceptance?

I'am under no illusions about the brazen in-your-face type of duplicity of Muslims by and large. This is more directed at the useful idiots with Hindu names who try to preach the benefits of secularism / live-and-let-live and hope to sing kumbaya.

 

[uppercut]

what if there was some other temple on the site before? how far back do you go, if mythological tales are the basis of your historical record of ownership, you just need another group to concoct a story and find more people to believe in it.

First of all the Supreme court and the High court decision decisions were based on a Proper Archeological survey that was conducted in the presence of Witnesses and camera recordings, not just some he-said-she-said story. So that should be the end of the discussion and there are no contentions with Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs as their holy places are located in different cities all-together. It is important to realize that this is not a ordinary random temple. It is ONE OF THE HANDFULL of MOST HOLIEST PLACES for Hindus without a shadow of doubt.


further more there are no claims by any other parties to that site and for what its worth ALL Religious leaders in India have expressed full support for the event. There are no more disputes with any other religious body except of course with Muslims for very obvious reasons as in their very unique worldview , "once a mosque then it will always remain a mosque till the end of time" type of logic prevails. So in dealing with such deadbeats with medieval mentality force is the only viable option (unfortunately ) which is what happened in 1992 ( but not before trying all rational approaches for decades upon decades ). This is the backdrop to my post that you are responding to.​

So what is your take on the question of destruction of the Original temple ?

the ram mandir issue is an expression of hindu authority in india, no one wonders why there is hindu Muslim communal tension in india, its obvious, religious politics is stupid, however indian hindus should quit with the hypocracy of pretending they care about indian Muslims or that they are not religiously biased and get on with it.

There is no hypocrisy here .... the burden of taking the highroad is not solely the responsibility of one community especially when the other party does not subscribe to Civilized rational means of dispute resolution based on facts logic and rationale or even simple common sense.

 

[FearlessRoar]

I don't understand why he is living in Pakistan. Why doesn't he just migrate to India?

 

[Rajdeep]

Here is Venky Prasad

https://x.com/i/web/status/1749287317884584128

 

[JaDed]

I actually well-wished for the South African Hindu player to one day be able to offer prayers at the temple with tears of joy streaming down his cheeks, I don't know what could be more gracious than that.

Keshav is pretty Religious more religious than majority Indian Hindu players.
Absolutely graceful!

 

[Champ_Pal]

Lord Ram is Pan Dharmic individual.
Hindus consider him as an avatar of Vishnu. Jains consider him as a follower of Jainism, Sikhs also have reverence to Lord Ram. Lord Rama was mentioned in the Buddhist Texts of Dasaratha Jataka.

So attributing Rama to just Hindus is not correct. Rama belongs to Hindus, Jains, Sikhs and Buddhists. He is a prominent figure in India. Same goes for Lord Krishna. Hindus deified Rama. Buddhists and Jains consider him as a noble man of his time. Indian cricket and cricketers are as secular as it gets. They are borderline woke.

 

[Rajdeep]

I don't understand why he is living in Pakistan. Why doesn't he just migrate to India?

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You mean no place for Hindus in Pakistan? What is wrong if he is supporting his religion?

 

[IndoorCricket]

I don't understand why he is living in Pakistan. Why doesn't he just migrate to India?

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You mean to say Indian Muslims should go to Pakistan?

 

[ElRaja]

First of all the Supreme court and the High court decision decisions were based on a Proper Archeological survey that was conducted in the presence of Witnesses and camera recordings, not just some he-said-she-said story. So that should be the end of the discussion and there are no contentions with Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs as their holy places are located in different cities all-together. It is important to realize that this is not a ordinary random temple. It is ONE OF THE HANDFULL of MOST HOLIEST PLACES for Hindus without a shadow of doubt.


further more there are no claims by any other parties to that site and for what its worth ALL Religious leaders in India have expressed full support for the event. There are no more disputes with any other religious body except of course with Muslims for very obvious reasons as in their very unique worldview , "once a mosque then it will always remain a mosque till the end of time" type of logic prevails. So in dealing with such deadbeats with medieval mentality force is the only viable option (unfortunately ) which is what happened in 1992 ( but not before trying all rational approaches for decades upon decades ). This is the backdrop to my post that you are responding to.​

So what is your take on the question of destruction of the Original temple ?



There is no hypocrisy here .... the burden of taking the highroad is not solely the responsibility of one community especially when the other party does not subscribe to Civilized rational means of dispute resolution based on facts logic and rationale or even simple common sense.

the reason behind the importance of the site isnt because it was built on some random hindu temple, its the alleged birthplace of a character central to the hindu mythology. theres nothing special about the site of this temple other than the aforementioned claim that its the birthplace of rama, hence its importance is grounded solely in mythology. you admit as much in the last sentence of the first paragraph.

+100 points in unintended irony when u claim Muslims have a world view of once a mosque always a mosque, when u wanna rebuild a temple which may have existed more than 500 years ago.

my take is that if there was a temple and it was destroyed go complain to the people who did it, if they are dead, move on. theres hundreds of mosques which were catherdrals, tonnes of cathedrals built on historic mosques, or native American temples, theres mosques and churches built on sites of historic jewish importance. it is what it is, if you go down the road of mythological deeds of ownership you just end destroying tonnes of architecture, history and culture. if you are really desperate, just co-opt a building, like the hagia sophia or like the cathedral of cordoba.

im glad as i suggested you didn't hide ur contempt for the other side, your open in your views and i appreciate that, and it makes your whole view point understandable.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You mean no place for Hindus in Pakistan? What is wrong if he is supporting his religion?

Why are you acting like you didn't know?

 

[CricketCartoons]

the reason behind the importance of the site isnt because it was built on some random hindu temple, its the alleged birthplace of a character central to the hindu mythology. theres nothing special about the site of this temple other than the aforementioned claim that its the birthplace of rama, hence its importance is grounded solely in mythology. you admit as much in the last sentence of the first paragraph.


my take is that if there was a temple and it was destroyed go complain to the people who did it, if they are dead, move on. theres hundreds of mosques which were catherdrals, tonnes of cathedrals built on historic mosques, or native American temples, theres mosques and churches built on sites of historic jewish importance. it is what it is, if you go down the road of mythological deeds of ownership you just end destroying tonnes of architecture, history and culture. if you are really desperate, just co-opt a building, like the hagia sophia or like the cathedral of cordoba.

Al Aqsa's importance is that the Prophet flew from there to heaven, "grounded solely in mythology"(using your words). Doesnt matter if it actually happened, it only matters what the faithful believe.

If your take is that places of worship destruction and usurpation happened all the time and it is what it is, then rebuilding the temple is also "it is what it is" and you can preach to those who are offended by it.

Just using your own logic.

 

[ElRaja]

Al Aqsa's importance is that the Prophet flew from there to heaven, "grounded solely in mythology"(using your words). Doesnt matter if it actually happened, it only matters what the faithful believe.

If your take is that places of worship destruction and usurpation happened all the time and it is what it is, then rebuilding the temple is also "it is what it is" and you can preach to those who are offended by it.

Just using your own logic.

congratulations on completely missing my point.

take a breath, read what i wrote, and try to understand it, slowly, stating an historical fact is not defending that action. i literally wrote that i dont want to see any religious, cultural or historic buildings destroyed. it happened in the past, that's not on me though.

indians however, can destroy what they want. i was just highlighting the hypocracy of hindus trying to pretend this isnt about hindus asserting their political dominance and cultural superiority over Muslims in india when it clearly is.

that's why i appreciate that @uppercut referred to those who oppose the demolition of a mosque as uncivilised, illogical, irrational and lacking common sense, at least hes honest in that he sees them as mentally inferior to himself.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't understand why he is living in Pakistan. Why doesn't he just migrate to India?

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It is a big deal to all hindus.

No harm in it. They believe their god literally was born there. It is therefore a feeling of elation that they have restored honour to his birthplace.

Put yourself in their shoes. You would also be happy and rejoicing if you were a hindu and held this belief.

Don't be angry at the common Hindu brother. Have compassion in your heart.

We should rally against the Indian government instead.

 

[CricketCartoons]

congratulations on completely missing my point.

take a breath, read what i wrote, and try to understand it, slowly, stating an historical fact is not defending that action. i literally wrote that i dont want to see any religious, cultural or historic buildings destroyed. it happened in the past, that's not on me though.

indians however, can destroy what they want. i was just highlighting the hypocracy of hindus trying to pretend this isnt about hindus asserting their political dominance and cultural superiority over Muslims in india when it clearly is.

that's why i appreciate that @uppercut referred to those who oppose the demolition of a mosque as uncivilised, illogical, irrational and lacking common sense, at least hes honest in that he sees them as mentally inferior to himself.

Blacks removing symbols of slavery is decolonization. Hindus doing it is supremacy. And muslims refusing to relent on mosques built on hindu temples is not asserting supremacy.

Only a blind person cannot see who is asserting their religious supremacy here. Take a close look at this.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Blacks removing symbols of slavery is decolonization. Hindus doing it is supremacy. And muslims refusing to relent on mosques built on hindu temples is not asserting supremacy.

Only a blind person cannot see who is asserting their religious supremacy here. Take a close look at this.

Looks like a very beautiful and sympathetic extension.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Looks like a very beautiful and sympathetic extension.

India's syncretic culture. While it remains there is hope for indian secularism.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Let the Hindus in India do what they want the whole point of the partition was to get the fook away from them and live according to our own laws.

Genuinely couldn’t give a toss about what happens in India, I just hope that the Indians will be supportive if the Pakistani’s were to demolish a historical temple after “archeological evidence” showed that it was built over a mosque.

 

[uppercut]

congratulations on completely missing my point.

take a breath, read what i wrote, and try to understand it, slowly, stating an historical fact is not defending that action. i literally wrote that i dont want to see any religious, cultural or historic buildings destroyed. it happened in the past, that's not on me though.

indians however, can destroy what they want. i was just highlighting the hypocracy of hindus trying to pretend this isnt about hindus asserting their political dominance and cultural superiority over Muslims in india when it clearly is.

If domination was the intent there was no need for many many decades of trying to resolve the dispute through Court proceedings in an attempt to resolve the dispute amicably. Simple brute force would suffice. But I must say that I was not surprised at all by the stance of the Muslim party who blatantly stood their ground while a truckload of broken Hindu idols and other temple structures were meticulously excavated documented and analyzed by court appointed experts in presence of their own witnesses with ample opportunity provided to explain and dispute/challenge the findings. Please go thru the court verdict to understand how exhaustive it was.

Had there been an option to take this to the international Court of justice these people would have gladly done that, got spanked over there and then cry saying that its a global yahudi saajish. Astounding levels of victim mentality.​

that's why i appreciate that @uppercut referred to those who oppose the demolition of a mosque as uncivilised, illogical, irrational and lacking common sense, at least hes honest in that he sees them as mentally inferior to himself.

I don't form opinions without some due-dilligence ... therefore I can also prove that using using modern human rights standards. A very good example is demolition of Statues of prominent racists in Western countries. The idea is to not let symbols of barbarians not stand ... let alone thrive.​

 

[CricketCartoons]

Let the Hindus in India do what they want the whole point of the partition was to get the fook away from them and live according to our own laws.

Genuinely couldn’t give a toss about what happens in India, I just hope that the Indians will be supportive if the Pakistani’s were to demolish a historical temple after “archeological evidence” showed that it was built over a mosque.

Pakistan has already demolished many temples, as "retaliation" for masjid-e-janmasthaan. No hue and cry in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Looks like a very beautiful and sympathetic extension.

The back wall is of the temple that was broken to build this mosque. The Vigraha of Sringar Gauri rests on that Western wall and was worshipped till 1993.

Ofcourse you find this destruction of a temple and building of a mosque over it amusing.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The back wall is of the temple that was broken to build this mosque. The Vigraha of Sringar Gauri rests on that Western wall and was worshipped till 1993.

Ofcourse you find this destruction of a temple and building of a mosque over it amusing.

I was merely commenting on the architecture but of course you will see something sinister.

 

[Romali_rotti]

the ram mandir issue is an expression of hindu authority in india, no one wonders why there is hindu Muslim communal tension in india, its obvious, religious politics is stupid, however indian hindus should quit with the hypocracy of pretending they care about indian Muslims or that they are not religiously biased and get on with it.

Hinduism and Islam are from 2 different planets in the sub continent, they will mainly never see eye to eye. Hindu/Muslim tensions have always been present wayy long before any BJP government.

Only saving grace for India is that the majority population is Hindu, had we been a muslim majority the minorities would be struggling to survive could be an endangered species now.

When Hindus are in Majority in India we have the second largest muslim population in the world, shows the tolerance, is India perfect? NO, however India is tolerant, educated, doing sound economically and advancing while Pakistan minorities are struggling, most probably disappearing ...

Hindus in India have every right to place a temple in Ayodhya where an invader destroyed an ancient place of worship, Pakistanis really shouldn't be commenting about religious tolerance or any such matter as you lost that right once Pakistan was formed a country which has a rule that a non muslim cannot be a member of parliament should not speak.