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ElRaja said:
it is rewriting history when u remove the statues of people who funded the institutions and cities where those statues are placed, even if the money was made from ill gotten gains.
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Ayodhya or Kashi or Mathura were not founded by any muslim. They pre date Islam.
 
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ElRaja said:
it is rewriting history when u remove the statues of people who funded the institutions and cities where those statues are placed, even if the money was made from ill gotten gains.
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When I say your opinion is immaterial, I only mean that it doesnt matter what you support or don't. Statements like " I don't support BLM". Maybe that makes you feel self important, but it will be better if you debate discuss ideas instead of declaring your support,.

Well, if that is what you mean by rewriting history, then it is being rewritten all the time. Islam has been rewriting history since its inception ( not a dig, but acknowledgement of its success). We might as well "rewrite" history when we can.
 
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RexRex said:
When I say your opinion is immaterial, I only mean that it doesnt matter what you support or don't. Statements like " I don't support BLM". Maybe that makes you feel self important, but it will be better if you debate discuss ideas instead of declaring your support,.

Well, if that is what you mean by rewriting history, then it is being rewritten all the time. Islam has been rewriting history since its inception ( not a dig, but acknowledgement of its success). We might as well "rewrite" history when we can.
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you brought up BLM, i said, rightly, it was a non sequitor, and you implied it was somehow relevant therefore my supporting or not is totally relevant to answer the question u brought up.

obviously you brought it up assuming id say BLM are somehow justified to destroy statues, but i dont agree with that, so now your focusing on semantics.

i dont support Muslims attempting to rewrite history either, it reeks of intellectual and cultural insecurity.
 
ElRaja said:
you brought up BLM, i said, rightly, it was a non sequitor, and you implied it was somehow relevant therefore my supporting or not is totally relevant to answer the question u brought up.

obviously you brought it up assuming id say BLM are somehow justified to destroy statues, but i dont agree with that, so now your focusing on semantics.

i dont support Muslims attempting to rewrite history either, it reeks of intellectual and cultural insecurity.
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One thing we British take great pride in is how meticulously we chronicle the past. Much of the subcontinent's history has been painstakingly preserved by British travellers and writers, so anger fuelled attempts to rewrite the past might prove futile.
 
ElRaja said:
you brought up BLM, i said, rightly, it was a non sequitor, and you implied it was somehow relevant therefore my supporting or not is totally relevant to answer the question u brought up.

obviously you brought it up assuming id say BLM are somehow justified to destroy statues, but i dont agree with that, so now your focusing on semantics.

i dont support Muslims attempting to rewrite history either, it reeks of intellectual and cultural insecurity.
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I support BLM. And every other decolonizing movement.

Since you do not support BLM, it is no surprise that you are gaslighting the oppression on hindus.
 
CricketCartoons said:
I support BLM. And every other decolonizing movement.

Since you do not support BLM, it is no surprise that you are gaslighting the oppression on hindus.
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i am not attempting to gaslight anyone, and how on earth can i gaslight a billion hindus anyway?

Cpt. Rishwat said:
One thing we British take great pride in is how meticulously we chronicle the past. Much of the subcontinent's history has been painstakingly preserved by British travellers and writers, so anger fuelled attempts to rewrite the past might prove futile.
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unfortunately this country is now giving up on the tradition of the last hundred years or so of actually attempting to chronicle history in a detached and objective way, everything is now coloured by the politics of right and left now.
 
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The whole thread has been derailed now. It was all about the HINDUTVA IDEOLOGY and CRICKETERS, but apart from this topic, everything else is discussed here. Can we please get back on track now?
 
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BouncerGuy said:
The whole thread has been derailed now. It was all about the HINDUTVA IDEOLOGY and CRICKETERS, but apart from this topic, everything else is discussed here. Can we please get back on track now?
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It would help if the OP can clarify what he means by Hindutva.
 
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rpant_gabba said:
It would help if the OP can clarify what he means by Hindutva.
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If you want to know its meaning, Here it is:

Hindutva is a political ideology encompassing the cultural justification of Hindu nationalism and the belief in establishing Hindu hegemony within India. The political ideology was formulated by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar in 1922
 
BouncerGuy said:
If you want to know its meaning, Here it is:

Hindutva is a political ideology encompassing the cultural justification of Hindu nationalism and the belief in establishing Hindu hegemony within India. The political ideology was formulated by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar in 1922
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Ok, so which india players have been impacted by hindutva and how?

Gambhir is part of BJP not unlike Azharudding bring in Congress.

going to temple is hindutva now?

so dies that make rizwan isis or Alqueda
 
BouncerGuy said:
If you want to know its meaning, Here it is:

Hindutva is a political ideology encompassing the cultural justification of Hindu nationalism and the belief in establishing Hindu hegemony within India. The political ideology was formulated by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar in 1922
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Wrong and biased definition from wikipedia.

Hindutva is not just political. It is also an inclusive reformist movement, with tolerance towards LGBT, empowerment of women, and primacy of native culture.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Wrong and biased definition from wikipedia.

Hindutva is not just political. It is also an inclusive reformist movement, with tolerance towards LGBT, empowerment of women, and primacy of native culture.
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you wanted to know the meaning, i gave you a meaning. You can interpret it however you like to.
 
BouncerGuy said:
you wanted to know the meaning, i gave you a meaning. You can interpret it however you like to.
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Yes, you gave "a" meaning, which I don't just want to interpret but want to challenge as a wrong one.

Hindutva movement is reformist. It is inclusive. It is pro women. It is pro LGBT. It is pro native culture. It is the biggest antifa decolonizing reformist movement in the world. I can prove and back up my statements with evidence.
 
lol BJP fans are so happy when people from other religions adopt Hindu customs and rituals, especially if they're white.

But have a problem with Indian non-Hindus openly flaunting their faith or propagating it :dhoni
 
I'm not talking about right or wrong, I am asking why does India say that we keep cricket aside from religion?
 
pillionrider said:
lol BJP fans are so happy when people from other religions adopt Hindu customs and rituals, especially if they're white.

But have a problem with Indian non-Hindus openly flaunting their faith or propagating it :dhoni
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No one forced any non-Indian to visit temples. Many Whites voluntarily adopt Indian traditions and Hinduism.

Was Siraj or Shami or Zak ever criticized for visiting Mosque or posting pictures of Eid Mubarak?

Now propagating religion is a completely different matter. Cricket ground is not the place to bring in religion or preach it to others.
 
JaDed said:
On the field we do , off the field we don’t.
Also religion is not their identity which is for Inzi Rizwan..
Nothing wrong in it just an observation.
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If you don't on the field, then keep in mind that social media accounts of franchises are also part of the game, so LSG should not post such religious content on their official accounts.
 
Champ_Pal said:
No one forced any non-Indian to visit temples. Many Whites voluntarily adopt Indian traditions and Hinduism.

Was Siraj or Shami or Zak ever criticized for visiting Mosque or posting pictures of Eid Mubarak?

Now propagating religion is a completely different matter. Cricket ground is not the place to bring in religion or preach it to others.
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They are posting those photos on their personal social media accounts. LGS or any other IPL franchise is not posting on their behalf.
 
FearlessRoar said:
If you don't on the field, then keep in mind that social media accounts of franchises are also part of the game, so LSG should not post such religious content on their official accounts.
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How is that on the field? They can do what they want off the field..
Imagine Indian tram
doing Aarthi on the pitch ppl ll lose their mind
 
JaDed said:
How is that on the field? They can do what they want off the field..
Imagine Indian tram
doing Aarthi on the pitch ppl ll lose their mind
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You should know better than to entertain his bs line of argument. Their strategy is equate thngs which are not remotely equal
 
JaDed said:
How is that on the field? They can do what they want off the field..
Imagine Indian tram
doing Aarthi on the pitch ppl ll lose their mind
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Any hindu who is remotely religious is an extremist. The only good hindu is the one who does not practice hinduism, or better if loathes it.

Hindus keep falling in this trap to look progressive with others keep sharpening their swords.
 
FearlessRoar said:
If you don't on the field, then keep in mind that social media accounts of franchises are also part of the game, so LSG should not post such religious content on their official accounts.
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Why they should not? They can post anything they want as long as they are not breaking laws.

LSG isn't in a Islamic nation that they have to keep their temple visits underwraps, lest it creates trouble for them.

As long as they keep this outside of the grounds, it isn't anyone's concern.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Why, they aren't a dravidian club, people in the rest of the country have no problem with the ram mandir
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There's no need to take the 'dravidian' card with so much insecurity on your part.

I don't think sports franchises should be indulging in it. Thats all.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
There's no need to take the 'dravidian' card with so much insecurity on your part.

I don't think sports franchises should be indulging in it. Thats all.
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What insecurity?

The fans of Lucknow absolutely love the Ram mandir, and whats wrong with visiting a temple before the season starts.

They aren't imposing their religion on anyone or bringing it on the cricket field like inzi or rizwan
 
Statpadder Inc said:
What insecurity?

The fans of Lucknow absolutely love the Ram mandir, and whats wrong with visiting a temple before the season starts.

They aren't imposing their religion on anyone or bringing it on the cricket field like inzi or rizwan
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What is the need to bring anything Dravidian into this. They can be fans of anything they want. Rizwan did not impose his faith on anyone. Where did he do that?

Franchises imo should be looking to create a healthy sporting culture , without having to appeal to their fanbase with religious overtures.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
What is the need to bring anything Dravidian into this. They can be fans of anything they want. Rizwan did not impose his faith on anyone. Where did he do that?

Franchises imo should be looking to create a healthy sporting culture , without having to appeal to their fanbase with religious overtures.
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Who imposed their religion on whom in this?
 
It looks crass to be honest. I've nothing against the players & coaches going to the temple to have a look if that's what they want to do. When the team starts posting the pretentiously pious photos on Social media to religious music, it comes off looking cheap and very very staged.

Before BJP fanatics jump on me, yes I'd have the same reaction if the Saudi Club Ronaldo plays for did promotional videos of him looking delirious with piety in a mosque.
 
Red-Indian said:
It looks crass to be honest. I've nothing against the players & coaches going to the temple to have a look if that's what they want to do. When the team starts posting the pretentiously pious photos on Social media to religious music, it comes off looking cheap and very very staged.

Before BJP fanatics jump on me, yes I'd have the same reaction if the Saudi Club Ronaldo plays for did promotional videos of him looking delirious with piety in a mosque.
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Why is not crass when sports team sing national anthems?
 
CricketCartoons said:
Why is not crass when sports team sing national anthems?
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Traditional I guess so you get used to it and stop feeling it's crass. Plus it's people of the same country singing it so maybe they are genuinely patriotic...who knows.

Here the execution was what made it particularly cheap.
 
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Red-Indian said:
Traditional I guess so you get used to it and stop feeling it's crass. Plus it's people of the same country singing it so maybe they are genuinely patriotic...who knows.

Here the execution was what made it particularly cheap.
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So your problem is that it is new and has not become a tradition yet, so that it gets your acceptance and approval?

Pakistan's anthem talks about saaya-e-Khuda-e zul jalaal, india's anthem talks about bharat bhagya vidhata. Both invoking God.
 
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CricketCartoons said:
So your problem is that it is new and has not become a tradition yet, so that it gets your acceptance and approval?

Pakistan's anthem talks about saaya-e-Khuda-e zul jalaal, india's anthem talks about bharat bhagya vidhata. Both invoking God.
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I'm glad your faith is boosted hearing these westerners claiming they felt the touch of Lord Rama on them. I the apostate unfortunately find it artificial and crass.
 
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I respect the opinion of Hindus who don't like parading players at temples as publicity stunts. It is your culture and tradition and you can say what you like.

However I don't respect the criticism from a Pakistani Muslim perspective. We are the first people to do bhangra when someone visits a masjid, concerts, says they find azaan spiritual,pretends to fast with us in Ramadan etc etc.

We enjoy when players give dawah to coaches and give them Qurans etc.

If you are happy for all the above then why are you angry at Hindus doing the same?
 
Red-Indian said:
It looks crass to be honest. I've nothing against the players & coaches going to the temple to have a look if that's what they want to do. When the team starts posting the pretentiously pious photos on Social media to religious music, it comes off looking cheap and very very staged.

Before BJP fanatics jump on me, yes I'd have the same reaction if the Saudi Club Ronaldo plays for did promotional videos of him looking delirious with piety in a mosque.
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I don't think there's anything wrong if they do it from their own social media accounts.

It's just franchises shouldn't be indulging this stuff imo especially when you have multi-faith players in your setup.

If they want PR, they should set up cricket scholarships locally or something and promote that .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I don't think there's anything wrong if they do it from their own social media accounts.

It's just franchises shouldn't be indulging this stuff imo especially when you have multi-faith players in your setup.

If they want PR, they should set up cricket scholarships locally or something and promote that .
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True. If they wanted to kowtow to their firang contingent, some pics of them handing out scholarships to starving Indians would've done the job.

The tawdry spectacle has irritated me more than I thought. The couple of Indians who actually went along and were maybe genuinely feeling moved by the experience have been relegated into the background - a couple of obligatory shots each with Langer, Rhodes & Co. being treated as if they're Eat pray love tourists who've found spiritual enlightenment.
 
Red-Indian said:
True. If they wanted to kowtow to their firang contingent, some pics of them handing out scholarships to starving Indians would've done the job.

The tawdry spectacle has irritated me more than I thought. The couple of Indians who actually went along and were maybe genuinely feeling moved by the experience have been relegated into the background - a couple of obligatory shots each with Langer, Rhodes & Co. being treated as if they're Eat pray love tourists who've found spiritual enlightenment.
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I think Jonty is invested in Indian spirituality and has been the case for years now , more so than a lot of Indian players who probably do it only when they are in front of the camera . And I'd put Julia Roberts in that same category as well (haven't heard an "eat, pray, love" reference in years )
 
Red-Indian said:
The tawdry spectacle has irritated me more than I thought. The couple of Indians who actually went along and were maybe genuinely feeling moved by the experience have been relegated into the background - a couple of obligatory shots each with Langer, Rhodes & Co. being treated as if they're Eat pray love tourists who've found spiritual enlightenment.
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The Langer photo is not much of a surprise tbh .. i've listened to some of his aussie podcast interviews and he's said that the first thing he does when he wakes up in the morning is to devote about an hour to transcendental meditation, he's done this everyday without fail for a couple of decades now. Bit of a spiritual guy maybe.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I think Jonty is invested in Indian spirituality and has been the case for years now , more so than a lot of Indian players who probably do it only when they are in front of the camera . And I'd put Julia Roberts in that same category as well (haven't heard an "eat, pray, love" reference in years )
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RexRex said:
The Langer photo is not much of a surprise tbh .. i've listened to some of his aussie podcast interviews and he's said that the first thing he does when he wakes up in the morning is to devote about an hour to transcendental meditation, he's done this everyday without fail for a couple of decades now. Bit of a spiritual guy maybe.
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Maybe...maybe...I don't really follow their personal lives and I'd have no reservations if they went to the temple on their own or as part of a team organised trip and used their personal accounts to post some stuff. The reason I find it cheap, crass, tawdry etc. is because the team's doing it and making it seem as if they're so proud that the firangs have found the temple experience moving.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
I think Jonty is invested in Indian spirituality and has been the case for years now , more so than a lot of Indian players who probably do it only when they are in front of the camera . And I'd put Julia Roberts in that same category as well (haven't heard an "eat, pray, love" reference in years )
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A number of the younger players of Indian team are actually religious.

Keshav maharaj is known to be very religious too.
 
cricketjoshila said:
A number of the younger players of Indian team are actually religious.

Keshav maharaj is known to be very religious too.
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I know Maharaj is . There are probably a few religious ones in the Indian side but I'm sure a couple are just looking to milk it.
 
Red-Indian said:
Maybe...maybe...I don't really follow their personal lives and I'd have no reservations if they went to the temple on their own or as part of a team organised trip and used their personal accounts to post some stuff. The reason I find it cheap, crass, tawdry etc. is because the team's doing it and making it seem as if they're so proud that the firangs have found the temple experience moving.
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The reason you are finding it crass because anything hindu triggers negative emotions in you.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
I respect the opinion of Hindus who don't like parading players at temples as publicity stunts. It is your culture and tradition and you can say what you like.

However I don't respect the criticism from a Pakistani Muslim perspective. We are the first people to do bhangra when someone visits a masjid, concerts, says they find azaan spiritual,pretends to fast with us in Ramadan etc etc.

We enjoy when players give dawah to coaches and give them Qurans etc.

If you are happy for all the above then why are you angry at Hindus doing the same?
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Very honourable take. That is why I don't hate muslims, I rather envy them. Muslims know how to deal with munafiqs who spread fitnah.

These so called hindus who are the first responders in anything hindu related are our equivalent of munafiqs who spread fitnah. They have already disowned hinduism, gone against the tradition and culture of their parents, but maintain hindu identity because it gives them the cover to attack hinduism. They take hindu identity only to get legitimacy in attacking hindus. Like termites who eat away at a civilization from the inside.

Verily, the hypocrites will be in the lowest depths of the Fire , and never will you find for them a helper. - 4:145
 
CricketCartoons said:
The reason you are finding it crass because anything hindu triggers negative emotions in you.
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I don't believe in the religion but I love the cultural traditions associated with it. Me and my daughter will do the rangoli (we call it muggu) on Ugadi morning next month like we've done for years. Can't claim to be very artistic but I love the colour and the patterns. I don't do Holi because the wildness doesn't appeal to me but I've never missed going to a Pandal for Dussehra.
 
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Red-Indian said:
I don't believe in the religion but I love the cultural traditions associated with it. Me and my daughter will do the rangoli (we call it muggu) on Ugadi morning next month like we've done for years. Can't claim to be very artistic but I love the colour and the patterns. I don't do Holi because the wildness doesn't appeal to me but I've never missed going to a Pandal for Dussehra.
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So you are a telugu, i thought you are a EVR Tamizh. Which is even more tragic. As telugus in general are my favourite people, and my telugu friends call me a pseudo telugu. I know the family of Acharya Arudra, whom pop generation telugus would not have heard of, only culturally aware telugus would know him.
 
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CricketCartoons said:
So you are a telugu, i thought you are a EVR Tamizh. Which is even more tragic. As telugus in general are my favourite people, and my telugu friends call me a pseudo telugu. I know the family of Acharya Arudra, whom pop generation telugus would not have heard of, only culturally aware telugus would know him.
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Telugu who's only lived in Telangana/Andhra for a couple of years.
 
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Red-Indian said:
I don't believe in the religion but I love the cultural traditions associated with it. Me and my daughter will do the rangoli (we call it muggu) on Ugadi morning next month like we've done for years. Can't claim to be very artistic but I love the colour and the patterns. I don't do Holi because the wildness doesn't appeal to me but I've never missed going to a Pandal for Dussehra.
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You may not believe. Others believe.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You may not believe. Others believe.
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You think I don't know that?

Nine-tenths of the people in my life are believers. From soft "I believe there's something bigger than us" spirituals to hardcore "the Pushpak Viman proves ancient Hindus had invented planes" or "read the Quran properly...it explains evolution" fanatics.

If you genuinely think Langer, Rhodes and co. have visited the temple out of pure belief, that's your prerogative. I won't try to dissuade you out of it.
 
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Red-Indian said:
If you genuinely think Langer, Rhodes and co. have visited the temple out of pure belief, that's your prerogative. I won't try to dissuade you out of it.
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For Rhodes,

www.cricketcountry.com

After naming his daughter ‘India’, Jonty Rhodes now performs puja for her at temple - Cricket Country

Only a week back, Rhodes had visited a temple in Tamil Nadu along with his family and posted the pictures of same on his Instagram account.
www.cricketcountry.com www.cricketcountry.com

He visited temple in tamilnadu, mumbai in 2016 too on his own with his family.so he must be accustomed quite a bit now.

We can wait for Langer. He is into Buddhist medication after his mother got cancer and passed away. He proclaims he is a strong catholic and church helped him alot duringhisstruggle.

thewest.com.au

How faith drove Justin Langer through his darkest days

In a church that held so many memories, the cricket legend gave his toughest speech.
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Hitman said:
Except when people of other faith show respect towards Islam.
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You seem bitter for some reason. If people want to go the mandir or whatever so be it. If they want to come to masjid so be it. To you your faith, to me mine. Its obvious that for IPL ‘some’ of the employees will curry favour with their employers, not all, ‘some’. Anyway its in india, so do as you want.
 
guard said:
You seem bitter for some reason. If people want to go the mandir or whatever so be it. If they want to come to masjid so be it. To you your faith, to me mine. Its obvious that for IPL ‘some’ of the employees will curry favour with their employers, not all, ‘some’. Anyway its in india, so do as you want.
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So Hindus visit temple to curry favour with IPL?

Langer is interested in meditation, buddhism and other dharmic traditions for the IPL?

Jonty Rhodes has been living in India for some time.

The only one bitter here is someone who uses every opportunity to try to take shots at India and Hindus.
 
cricketjoshila said:
So Hindus visit temple to curry favour with IPL?

Langer is interested in meditation, buddhism and other dharmic traditions for the IPL?

Jonty Rhodes has been living in India for some time.

The only one bitter here is someone who uses every opportunity to try to take shots at India and Hindus.
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Hindus can do what they want.

Justin is free to so as he chooses, nobody said otherwise.

Pakistanis having an opinion seems to cause bitterness to NR posters. It is a Pakistani forum after all. Take a look at the comments generated in your backyard, might open a few eyes.

Anyway, as i said, do as you want. Your religion your choice.
 
Lol David Warner celebrating Holi with Rishabh Pant.

Is his fixation on wealth influencing his newfound admiration for India?

btw Happy Holi to those who are celebrating today :)

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Mohit Sharma after taking a wicket in IPL 2024 seems to be thanking God like Hindus do in temples. Before Modi's tenure, I didn't see any religious activities from Indian cricketers on the field, but now it is becoming popular.

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FearlessRoar said:
Mohit Sharma after taking a wicket in IPL 2024 seems to be thanking God like Hindus do in temples. Before Modi's tenure, I didn't see any religious activities from Indian cricketers on the field, but now it is becoming popular.

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True, hindus shouldn't even be thanking God because it's hindutva extremism while pakistani players can ask other players to convert on the field and that's perfectly fine
 
FearlessRoar said:
Mohit Sharma after taking a wicket in IPL 2024 seems to be thanking God like Hindus do in temples. Before Modi's tenure, I didn't see any religious activities from Indian cricketers on the field, but now it is becoming popular.

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I can't stand Modi, but this post is just :dhoni

Yuvi after winning the WC Player of tournament thanked his guruji. Plenty of Hindu cricketers have done symbolic things with sacred threads/amulets for years. Just because it isn't as visually obvious as what many Muslim cricketers do, doesn't mean they haven't been doing it pre-Modi.
 
Everything for Hardik is a movie. I remember him recording himself visiting his father who was sick and passed away soon after.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Mohit Sharma after taking a wicket in IPL 2024 seems to be thanking God like Hindus do in temples. Before Modi's tenure, I didn't see any religious activities from Indian cricketers on the field, but now it is becoming popular.

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Surely you're trolling with these low-effort comments.
 
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